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**Park Leaders Show**

Park Leaders connects the wisdom of Park Managers, leaders in the park system, and thought leaders of the business world with up and coming park leaders. This is the show for Park Rangers, Park Managers, and leaders who want to have an impact. Join host Jody Maberry as he talks to park leaders from all over the world.

Latest Episodes:

Takes from a Wilderness Warrior Sep 02, 2025

Show notes

"Fear often comes from not knowing. Once you take time to learn, fear can turn into respect."

Notable Moments

[00:02:22] Doug shares his curiosity-driven adventures in Mexico and Russia.

[00:05:00] The challenge of endless progress on a finite planet.

[00:07:18] Why wilderness is essential for grizzlies and for us.

[00:09:34] Tracking wildlife movement near highway corridors.

[00:18:55] The lasting influence of The Monkey Wrench Gang.

[00:28:02] How our treatment of bears reflects how we see ourselves.

[00:29:08] A family's shift from fear of grizzlies to awe and respect.

[00:31:10] The need for united action to defend wilderness and parks.

Conservationist and author Doug Peacock returns to share stories from a lifetime spent in wilderness. From grizzlies in Yellowstone to tigers in Russia, Doug reflects on the threats facing wild places and the fight to protect them. He offers hard truths, hopeful lessons, and a reminder that humility is at the heart of conservation.

Read the blog for more from this episode.

More from Doug Peacock

Books by Doug Peacock

Order the book Was It Worth It? A Wilderness Warrior's Long Trail Home

Order the book Grizzly Years

Order the book The Monkey Wrench Gang by Edward Abbey, 25th anniversary edition with introduction by Doug Peacock

Resources

www.parkleaders.com

https://parkleaders.com/about/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/theparkleaders/

The Future of National Parks Aug 26, 2025

Show notes

"Sometimes steady leadership, or keeping the park on course, is the most important thing we can offer."

Notable Moments

[00:01:00] Jon's work with the Parks Institute at UC Berkeley

[00:02:20] International consulting and training park managers abroad

[00:04:15] Encouragement for park leaders during uncertain times

[00:08:30] Lessons from history and why tough times lead to renewal

[00:13:28] The balance between risk-taking and steady leadership

[00:17:40] Revisiting the idea of a standalone National Park Service

[00:21:54] Jon's vision for the future of national parks

[00:28:53] Reforming concessions and improving visitor experience

[00:30:39] Lessons from international park systems

[00:33:27] The role of parks in healing and uniting a divided nation

Former National Park Service Director Jon Jarvis joins Jody Maberry to share insights on the challenges and future of national parks. They discuss lessons from history, the importance of steady leadership, and how partnerships, Indigenous relationships, and global perspectives shape the path ahead. Jon offers encouragement to current park leaders navigating uncertain times while painting a vision of resilience and renewal for the future.

Read the blog for more from this episode.

Resources

www.parkleaders.com

https://parkleaders.com/about/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/theparkleaders/

Law Enforcement in Parks Aug 19, 2025

Show notes

"Every contact we have is an opportunity to build or destroy a relationship."

Notable Moments

[00:02:00] – Why law enforcement consistently ranks among the most debated topics in parks

[00:06:20] – Chip's background, love for the outdoors, and how nature shaped his perspective

[00:08:16] – The assumption that all rangers are law enforcement officers

[00:11:00] – How uniforms and appearance influence public perception of park rangers

[00:18:55] – The importance of branding, presence, and professionalism

[00:22:35] – Lessons from SWAT about shifting how officers show up in communities

[00:27:29] – The risks rangers face when authority is assumed but not backed by training or tools

[00:33:11] – Why connection and trust must remain the primary role of law enforcement in any setting

[00:37:54] – The reminder that passion and authenticity cannot be faked in public service

[00:43:56] – Chip's insight: there are no perfect solutions, only trade-offs

[00:45:35] – Leadership as the key to finding common ground and balancing priorities

Law enforcement in parks sparks some of the strongest debates in conservation leadership. In this episode, Jody Maberry and Phil Gaines welcome retired Kansas City Police Major Chip Huth to unpack the complexities of blending ranger identity with law enforcement responsibility. Chip shares how presence, professionalism, and human connection outweigh authority, and why leadership must embrace trade-offs rather than chase perfect solutions.

Read the blog for more from this episode.

Resources

www.parkleaders.com

https://parkleaders.com/about/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/theparkleaders/

The Four Types of Park Managers Aug 05, 2025

Show notes

"You take care of the people, and they will take care of the park."

Notable Moments

[00:01:26] Introduction to the four types of park managers

[00:02:04] Deep dive into People First management

[00:14:24] Park First leadership and its focus on stewardship

[00:26:56] Process Driven management: pros, cons, and structure

[00:36:14] Personality Driven management and its unpredictable nature

[00:45:14] Phil's insight: success is found in a hybrid model

In this episode, Jody Maberry and Phil Gaines explore the four primary types of park managers: People First, Park First, Process Driven, and Personality Driven. They reflect on the advantages and cautions of each style while sharing personal stories and leadership lessons. They emphasize the importance of authenticity and the value of blending leadership approaches to best serve parks, staff, and visitors.

Read the blog for more from this episode.

Resources

www.parkleaders.com

https://parkleaders.com/about/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/theparkleaders/

Back to the Future of Parks Jul 29, 2025

Show notes

"Every park has trees and trails. What makes people come back is you."

Notable Moments

[00:03:05] – Starting the keynote, the outhouse story that sparked an award

[00:07:24] – Transition from financial analyst to ranger life

[00:14:07] – Pandemic pressure and park visitation boom

[00:19:02] – Shifting from surviving to thriving post-2020

[00:26:49] – Importance of all roles: field and office

[00:30:01] – Why park staff are the defining feature of any park

[00:33:20] – Difference between "learned" and "earned" park stories

[00:38:27] – Parks' impact on quality of life, not just economy

[00:42:41] – Michigan's leadership in innovation and conservation

[00:47:44] – The importance of gatherings like in-service

Jody Maberry delivers his full keynote from the Michigan DNR in-service gathering, reflecting on the theme "Back to the Future of Parks." He shares memorable stories and lessons from his time as a park ranger, during the pandemic, and how park professionals can shape the future of outdoor spaces. With humor, humility, and heartfelt appreciation, this talk highlights the power of people, the importance of public lands, and the irreplaceable value of every role in the park system.

Read the blog for more from this episode.

Resources

www.parkleaders.com

https://parkleaders.com/about/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/theparkleaders/

Exploring Parks in 3D Jul 15, 2025

Show notes

"Too often today everything is tech and screens… but picking up a book, putting on a pair of glasses, and seeing something really cool—it's inspiring and fun."

Notable Moments: 00:03 – Dave's early love for camping and the outdoors 04:47 – How 3D photography became part of his storytelling 08:44 – Behind the scenes of the Theodore Roosevelt 3D photo 11:22 – Overview of parks included in the book 13:43 – Hidden gem tip for Acadia National Park 17:20 – How kids reacted to the 3D book 21:04 – Leadership advice: "Say yes, then figure it out" 24:55 – Dave's website and Skull Rock Podcast

Jody Maberry welcomes Disney animator turned author Dave Bossert to discuss his immersive book 3D National Parks Like You've Never Seen Them Before. Dave shares how the project was inspired by View-Masters, the magic of 3D photography, and the importance of sparking curiosity about parks, especially for kids who may not have visited one. The episode also touches on leadership lessons from the animation world and how saying "yes" opens new doors.

Read the blog for more from this episode on the website.

Connect with Dave Bossert

Order the book 3D National Parks Like You've Never Seen Them Before

For Direct orders contact Inquiry@theoldmillpress.com

Dave's Website: https://www.davidbossert.com

Listen to the Skull Rock Podcast

Resources

www.parkleaders.com

https://parkleaders.com/about/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/theparkleaders/

Exploring Sacred Landscapes Jul 08, 2025

Show notes

"National parks are sacred not because of what we build, but because of what we protect."

Notable Moments

[00:00:20.320] Introduction of Sacred Landscapes

[00:01:23.010] Sam's unexpected inspiration to write the book

[00:08:14.120] The emotional transformation of spending years on the road

[00:18:03.540] National parks vs. theme parks — how they serve the public differently

[00:31:45.600] Designing places that spark reverence

[00:49:45.430] The legacy Sam hopes Sacred Landscapes will leave

In this episode, author and National Park volunteer Sam Gennawey shares stories from his six-year, 175,000-mile van life journey through U.S. national parks. Known for his writing on theme parks and urban planning, Sam offers a fresh perspective on the intentional design and emotional power of natural spaces. He discusses the origins of his new book Sacred Landscapes, the personal transformation of long-term travel, and the connection between preserving spaces and creating meaningful human experiences.

Read the blog for more from this episode.

Connect with Sam Gennawey

Get the book Sacred Landscapes

Discover Books by Sam Gennawey

Resources

www.parkleaders.com

https://parkleaders.com/about/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/theparkleaders/

Do You Need Park Experience to Manage a Park Jul 01, 2025

Show notes

"You don't have to come from parks to lead in parks. But you do have to embrace the culture, listen, and lead with purpose."

Notable Moments

[00:02:00] Starting out as a seasonal worker builds a foundation

[00:03:40] Promoting park managers without prior experience

[00:05:18] Success stories of hiring from outside the park system

[00:08:48] Benefits of diverse backgrounds in leadership

[00:14:50] Importance of honoring legacy while bringing fresh ideas

[00:21:34] Staying close to your point of service

[00:23:00] Advice from Lee Cockerell: take notes and observe early

Can someone manage a park without ever having worked in one? Jody Maberry and Phil Gaines say "yes" and explain why in this listener-inspired episode. They received an email from Freddie, a new park manager in New York with no prior park experience. Together they unpack how fresh perspectives, paired with respect for legacy, can benefit any park system. Phil shares stories of success when hiring "off the street" and reinforces the importance of staying close to your point of service. Jody offers insight from his own unconventional journey into parks and highlights why diversity of thought can be just as valuable as field experience. Whether you're brand new or decades deep, this episode is a reminder to lead with intention, learn from the people you serve, and never lose sight of your North Star.

Read the blog for more from this episode.

Resources

www.parkleaders.com

https://parkleaders.com/about/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/theparkleaders/

Creating Immersive Stories for Park Visitors Jun 24, 2025

Show notes

"Storytelling is the bridge between awe and understanding, whether you're in a theme park or a national park."

Notable Moments

01:05 – Bob's national park road trip that shaped his worldview

05:24 – "Recreation" vs. "Re-creation": the true power of parks

06:10 – Walt Disney's advice: walk the park, observe the guests

08:41 – How Disney draws inspiration from national parks

12:19 – Gaps in concessionaire storytelling at national park lodges

14:51 – Bob's advice for elevating the lodge experience

16:15 – Lessons from Kennedy Space Center concessions

20:39 – Making food and retail part of the park's story

28:16 – Advice for up-and-coming park leaders

32:14 – Why rangers are just as iconic as Disney cast members

In this inspiring conversation, Bob Weis, former president of Walt Disney Imagineering, joins to explore the intersection of themed and natural parks. In his new book, Dream Chasing, Bob discusses how his childhood road trip to national parks shaped his creative path and what natural park leaders can learn from theme park storytelling. From immersive lodge experiences to the role of frontline staff, this episode offers practical and visionary ideas for elevating the park guest experience.

Read the blog for more from this episode.

Connect with Bob Weis

www.bobweis.com

Order the book – Dream Chasing

Resources

www.parkleaders.com

https://parkleaders.com/about/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/theparkleaders/

Protecting Pucheguin - An Underdog Conservation Story Jun 17, 2025

Show notes

"When you truly love a place, you do whatever it takes to protect it, even if it takes a decade."

Notable Moments

00:01:04 Meeting Rodrigo and Jose 00:02:03 Rodrigo shares how a simple question sparked conservation 00:07:15 Jose explains fighting the first hydroelectric project 00:20:54 What happens after the land is protected 00:32:04 The significance of the ancient Alerce tree

Jody Maberry recounts his unforgettable trip to Chile's Cochamó Valley, especially meeting Rodrigo Condeza and Jose Claro. Together, they have spent over a decade fighting to stop hydroelectric dams and irresponsible development in Pucheguin. Their efforts highlight the power of dedication and community-led conservation. Listen to hear about their battles, the unique Alerce trees, historic trails, and the vision for balancing wilderness protection with community livelihood and responsible tourism.

Read the blog for more from this episode.

Episode Resources

Puelo Patagonia: puelopatagonia.cl

Conserva Pucheguin Project: conservapucheguin.org

Connect with Jody

www.parkleaders.com

https://parkleaders.com/about/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/theparkleaders/