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    Overthinking It Podcast

    Overthinking It subjects the popular culture to a level of scrutiny it probably doesn’t deserve.

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    Episode 883: In Latin, Cocomelon Starts with an I Jun 09, 2025
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    It’s Matt Wrather’s first Father’s Day, which means it’s finally time to tackle Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade on the podcast. We’ve talked about Raiders and Dial of Destiny, and have written copious amounts of material criticizing Crystal Skull, but have yet to fully excavated this 90’s adventure classic until now, with all three of your regular panelists (Matt, Pete, and Mark) firmly ensconced in fatherhood, wearing funny hats and bashing their children over the head with fake Ming vases.

    Befitting the occasion, we spend a lot of time on the father-son dynamic in this movie, specifically how the three trials are a metaphor for fatherhood. We explore other symbols in this movie: the Holy Grail, aka the Holy Grail of Holy Grails; the crusading knight jousting on horseback and motorcycles; and things that are both illuminated and provide illumination. We also deal with the over-the-top humor and action of the movie and grapple with whether or not they constitute actual plot holes. For example: how is a medieval French knight able to speak English? Hmmmmm?

    We also manage to work the recent video game, Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, into the conversation, particularly with how well it captures the essential features of a great Indiana Story. Hint: “greaser son” is not one of them.

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    • Overthinking It Podcast: It Would Be Easier If “Raiders of the Lost Ark” Were Awful
    • Overthinking It Podcast 784: He Wants to Die in Antiquity
    • Subjecting “Fridge Nuking” to Scientific Peer Review
    • Some further complaints about Indy IV (most likely the first in a series)
    • From Scooby to Scrappy: An Analysis of Cartoon Doghood
    • Henry Jones, Sr.’s Hat
    • Indiana Jones and the Great Circle Game Trailer

    Episode 883: In Latin, Cocomelon Starts with an I originally appeared on Overthinking It, the site subjecting the popular culture to a level of scrutiny it probably doesn't deserve. [Latest Posts | Podcast (iTunes Link)]


    Episode 882: Doctor Smirnoff Ice Jun 02, 2025
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    It’s Gemini season, and Mark Lee, Peter Fenzel, and Matthew Wrather (and their dopplegangers), overthink the concept of twins and doubles in their lives and the popular culture. Whether the twin is a dark mirror, just another quark in the multiverse, or a satirical imitation of the original, it always opens up complex and multivalent possibilities in identity and time, whether the canvas is a needlessly complex Star Wars card game, Taylor Swift’s musical eras, or the natural world.

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    • “The One: Most Epic Fights” (YouTube)
    • Stefan Urquelle (Family Matters Wiki)
    • “Star Wars Customizable Card Game 2023 Advanced Rulebook”
    • “You wanna make that a mucho?”
    • “Here’s to Football” Coors Light Commercial (YouTube)

    Episode 882: Doctor Smirnoff Ice originally appeared on Overthinking It, the site subjecting the popular culture to a level of scrutiny it probably doesn't deserve. [Latest Posts | Podcast (iTunes Link)]


    Episode 881: You’re Not Used to Subtle Nods in Star Wars Shows May 26, 2025
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    Ben Adams, Pete Fenzel, and Mark Lee steal a TIE Fighter, huff some rhydo, and sacrifice everything they hold dear to bring you this podcast on the superb second season of Andor. After they sell some antiques to high society, our panelists escape to their secret rebel base to explore the many salient cleavages in the show: choice vs. free will, freedom vs. tyranny, chaos vs. order, planning vs. doing, and even the light and dark sides of the Force. Yes, the Force still binds all living things in the galaxy, even in a show without space wizards.

    The panelists analyze as many of the fascinating characters as they can: Luthen, the ruthless, paranoid spymaster with friends everywhere and nowhere at the same time; Andor, the deadly spy who makes sure to water his plants before going out on a mission; Mothma, the senator who’s a killer on the dance floor and by proxy; Syril, the hapless tool of the fascist state who kept making the wrong choices until the end; and Dedra, the cog in the Imperial war machine brought down by her own acts of rebellion.

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    • The Gwangju Uprising
    • How code-breaking helped win the Battle of Midway

    Episode 881: You’re Not Used to Subtle Nods in Star Wars Shows originally appeared on Overthinking It, the site subjecting the popular culture to a level of scrutiny it probably doesn't deserve. [Latest Posts | Podcast (iTunes Link)]


    Episode 880: Run Like the Wind, Horse May 19, 2025
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    It’s that time of year, some years, when Pete Fenzel convinces Matt Wrather to join a storied 2-hander about the stories emerging from the NBA playoffs. Though really, it is about all of us. Aren’t we all experiencing the loss of Jayson Tatum’s Achilles tendon?

    Paying ample respect to the pain and anguish the man himself and those close to him must be enduring in the face of a potentially life-changing injury, Pete and Matt broaden the discussion to the secondhand and thirdhand expressions of tragic grief, especially ESPN Analyst Brian Windhorst’s near-poetical declaration of a “dark cloud” hanging over the hometown victory of the New York Knicks, to the irritation and chagrin of Knicks fans, whose players also sometimes get injured.

    From the perspective of a Knicks fan living in the Boston Area for two decades, Peter inducts Matt into the outsider view of Jayson Tatum mythology: the eternal future, the dynastic present brought low, what he means to Boston sports, and why his particular Achilles tendon was of such grave concern to so many, but not that many. They also talk about Damien Lillard for about 30 seconds.

    Subtopics include the social role of tragedy; the ancient tradition, often defied these days, of valuing the tragedies of the mighty over the tragedies of the humble; the poetics and practicality of the “championship window;” a tangent about crying at Fuddruckers; and whether and to what degree old broken-down red tractors in children’s books are diegetically sentient.

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    • Jason Tatum’s Injury Hangs a “Dark Cloud” Over Knicks Game 4 Win over Celtics, featuring Malika Andrews and Brian Windhorst, on ESPN’s NBA Countdown
    • Jayson Tatum: American Basketball Player on Britannica
    • The Untold Truth of Fuddruckers by Alexandra Cass on Mashed
    • All About Jayson Tatum’s Son Deuce Tatum
    • Otis the Tractor: 6-book series, by Loren Long, on Amazon
    • For the Fallen, by Laurence Binyon, on Wikipedia
    • Musée des Beaux Arts, by W.H. Auden, on Poetry Foundation
    • The Story of Bing Bong, by Jacob Forchheimer on GQ

    Episode 880: Run Like the Wind, Horse originally appeared on Overthinking It, the site subjecting the popular culture to a level of scrutiny it probably doesn't deserve. [Latest Posts | Podcast (iTunes Link)]


    Episode 879: Lo and Behold, This Pot Rack I Have Wrought May 12, 2025
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    Peter Fenzel, Mark Lee, and Matthew Wrather celebrate Handi-Cast ’25, overthinking the concept of handiness and and the related but distinct culture of DIY. (Do what yourself, though?) Gender roles, technological implications, collaboration & relationships, and the four-hour minimum—all these show up in their lives, and in the YouTube videos they watch.

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    • Can James May Rebuild A 1959 Lawn Mower? | Reassembler (YouTube)

    Episode 879: Lo and Behold, This Pot Rack I Have Wrought originally appeared on Overthinking It, the site subjecting the popular culture to a level of scrutiny it probably doesn't deserve. [Latest Posts | Podcast (iTunes Link)]


    Episode 878: Your Cootie Level Is Off the Charts May 05, 2025
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    Matt Belinkie, Mark Lee, and Matt Wrather overthink Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith on the occasion of its 20th anniversary theatrical re-release. Opinions are mixed on how well it holds up, but not surprisingly, everyone agrees that Ian McDiarmid absolutely killed it as Emperor Palpatine. Everyone else still suffers from the stilted writing, but the action, especially in a 4DX theater with moving seats and spraying water, remains highly entertaining, although admittedly pitched at a 10 year old boy’s level of interests.

    The panel digs deep into Anakin’s turn to the dark side, the nature of evil, and the extent to which the story of a democracy’s fall resonates in 2025. Naturally, Andor works its way into the conversation: yes, the galaxy is big enough to have stories centered on both space wizards and everyday people, and the differences in storytelling are dramatically different.

    No younglings were harmed in the production of this podcast.

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    • Reddit post regarding the late rewrites/reshoots that built out Anakin’s fall to the dark side over concern for Padmé
    • The Overview: The (Original) Star Wars Trilogy, with a bonus podcast on the Prequel Trilogy. These were all recorded prior to the release of the Sequel Trilogy.

    Episode 878: Your Cootie Level Is Off the Charts originally appeared on Overthinking It, the site subjecting the popular culture to a level of scrutiny it probably doesn't deserve. [Latest Posts | Podcast (iTunes Link)]


    Episode 877: I Have Lots of File Cards on Coyotes Apr 28, 2025
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    Mark Lee, Matt Wrather, and Pete Fenzel, having been friends for a very long time, have no qualms with sharing deep, complex, personal, niche, or even annoying conversations. But in this podcast, we tackle the prospect of how to talk to other people, with whom we share far fewer than 850 podcast episodes on average, notably other parents we associate with in the context of our own children’s care, schooling, and activities.With the monoculture shattered by time and technology, and even commitment to local sports teams uncertain, how do you break the seal of silence on new and potential personal relationships?

    We seek inspiration in shared experience, dance on the TMI knife blade of parenting challenges, and take wild ill-advised detours into horrific veterinary diseases in pets and wild animals. How do you talk about travel in a way that enjoins shared interest without frosting it in shame and elitism? How do you do more than listen and laugh, but also, how do you listen and laugh? What is the best way to talk about caring for an aging relative with someone you have only met twice in passing? And how might an overreliance on sympathetic negativity and self-deprecating humor create or reinforce negative feedback loops that damage your mental health as well as sell yourself short to others? We don’t know, we just have a podcast, it’s not like we’re doctors or anything. What do you think?

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    Further Reading

    • The Power of Vulnerability by Brené Brown, from TED on YouTube
    • HBO Storybook Musicals: Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day
    • Chronic Wasting Disease in Animals, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
    • Mange in Wildlife, from the Massachusetts Division of Fisheries and Wildlife
    • Negative Core Beliefs in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Dr. Aaron Beck, the Beck Institute for Cognitive Behavioral Therapy on YouTube
    • Mark Wahlberg Talks to Animals, starring Andy Samberg, from Saturday Night Live on YouTube

    Episode 877: I Have Lots of File Cards on Coyotes originally appeared on Overthinking It, the site subjecting the popular culture to a level of scrutiny it probably doesn't deserve. [Latest Posts | Podcast (iTunes Link)]


    Episode 876: A Hand Extended Through the Veil Apr 21, 2025
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    Peter Fenzel, Mark Lee, and Matthew Wrather overthink rebirth in popular culture, discussing the digital resurrection of cultural icons like John Lennon or Tupac and the multivalent intellectual and emotional experience of encountering these ghoulish digital simulacra. Can we reclaim what has been lost? Technology has come to mediate memory and legacy, storytelling and nostalgia, loss and identity. A Tupac hologram or a new Beatles song may not be what we need, but it is certainly what someone wants.

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    Episode 876: A Hand Extended Through the Veil originally appeared on Overthinking It, the site subjecting the popular culture to a level of scrutiny it probably doesn't deserve. [Latest Posts | Podcast (iTunes Link)]


    Episode 875: The Popluck Apr 14, 2025
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    Pete Fenzel, Mark Lee, and Matt Wrather are all middle-aged dads and painfully out of step with modern pop music. In an attempt to “get with it,” they all bring a new(ish) pop song to the table for discussion.

    Mark’s children (or at least their older cousins) introduced him to “APT.” by ROSÉ and Bruno Mars. The kids may not fully understand what this song is about, but that’s OK, neither do most non-Korean speaking adults! Everyone goes on a journey of unlocking different levels of meaning across language and cultural barriers.

    Matt selected a song by Chappell Roan, the spiritual successor to his beloved 90’s female rock/pop songstresses. “Red Wine Supernova” is possibly a reference to something very dirty, but it’s also wholesome in its exuberance.

    Lastly, Pete evoked the spirit of his gym- and club-going past with the “hot dance/pop song” “It’s ok I’m ok” by Tate McRae. Who, or what, is really OK? The singer? This song? Are any of us truly OK in this day and age? You be the judge!

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    • ROSÉ explains how to play her favorite game
    • Mao (card game)
    • “We’re Not Gonna Take It” by Twisted Sister

    Episode 875: The Popluck originally appeared on Overthinking It, the site subjecting the popular culture to a level of scrutiny it probably doesn't deserve. [Latest Posts | Podcast (iTunes Link)]


    Episode 874: Here’s the Thing about Thing Apr 07, 2025
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    Matt Belinkie, Mark Lee, and Pete Fenzel map the branches of the Addams Family Tree. We start at the beginning with Charles Addams’s single-panel cartoons for The New Yorker, move through the classic TV show and legendary 90s movies, to the 2019 animated film and the Netflix comedy Wednesday. With a special focus on perhaps the franchise’s greatest single work, the 1993 comedy Addams Family Values, we focus on the inverted relationships between the Addamses and historical ideas of American sociopolitical norms and myths, spun in jokes and in horrors and modes of marginalization. From futile efforts to guillotine a baby to a murderous takedown of the First Thanksgiving, the Addams lampoon and problematize harm and harmlessness in human experience. Do they have superpowers? Are they really killers? What is Uncle Fester’s marriage saying about intimate partner abuse? What is the deal with the disembodied hand; is Thing enslaved? Is Thing happy? Is it all ookiness, set up and punchline, or, in the model of Gomez and Morticia, might it be the greater virtue to behold the horrors of the world, and, with them in full view, embrace duty and love? Plus, the obligatory Raul Julia appreciation that must be echoed whenever encountering the work of the legend.

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    • The Hidden Message of Addams Family Values by Simon Abrams in The Hollywood Reporter
    • Charles Addams ‘33: From Broad St. to Broadway, by Rebecca Downing, on the Colgate University 200th anniversary site, 2019
    • Charles Addams: The Dark Side of Humor, by Robert Mankoff, in The New Yorker
    • The Addams Family (2019), in The Addams Family wiki
    • 10 Funniest Addams Family Comics Starring Gomez & Morticia (From the Original Comic Strip), by Casey Connor on Screen Rant
    • Fear of Spiders May Have Its Evolutionary Roots in Aversion to Scorpions, by Emma Young in the British Psychological Society Research Digest
    • Showbizads Press Reel for the 1992 Broadway Revival of Man of La Mancha starring Raul Julia and Sheena Easton on YouTube

    Episode 874: Here’s the Thing about Thing originally appeared on Overthinking It, the site subjecting the popular culture to a level of scrutiny it probably doesn't deserve. [Latest Posts | Podcast (iTunes Link)]


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