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097 – The OT Lifestyle Movement ft Rhiannon Crispe Jan 16, 2021

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Rhiannon Crispe describers herself as “a salty soul, health enthusiast, sun chaser and blessed mumma & wife. A dreamer and a doer. A goal setter and a go-getter. A change agent and a game changer. And also a proud Occupational Therapist and business owner.”

I’ve wanted to talk to Rhiannon for a long while and once she started the OT Lifestyle Movement it was the perfect reason to get her on!

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Brock
@brockcookOT
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096 – A New Look at Resolutions Jan 01, 2021

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WELCOME TO 2021!!! And to kick off another year of podcasting I thought I’d take a look at that age old tradition of making New Years Resolutions…..or rather why you shouldn’t bother. I wanted to look at why soooo many people fail their resolutions and an alternative method that I use and you might find more successful! Mentioned is a previous episode that you can find right here: What SMART Goals are DUMB Keep Occupied Brock@brockcookOTbrock.cook@me.com Episode Transcript 00:00:00 – 00:05:11 Hi and welcome to 20 21. You made it congratulations that alone after last year is a massive success month. So Props to you, but are you one of the 74% of people that is thinking of setting some New Year’s resolutions? Well, let’s have a chat and make sure that you’re not part of the eighty percent of people who don’t usually succeed with said resolutions. New Year’s resolutions we’ve all heard of them most of us have probably sat them at one point or another very few of us have actually succeeded in completing any of the resolutions that we set but why is that and what can we do or what can we drive it’s a little bit different to make sure that we are actually progressing along this journey of self improvement that we are self-imposing on ourselves every 1st of January So it’s important to sort of know that despite 74% roughly in the US of people wanting to set nice resolutions this still 80ish percent of those people that are going to fail them and that’s a massive fail rate, which makes you wonder like why I’m not doing it. What is the purpose we All have these things in us or about us or around us that we want to change that we want to improve sometimes. It’s health-related. Sometimes it’s career-related. Sometimes it’s money related. But every single person has something that they would love to improve upon in that lives. Now for some reason it’s a it seems to be a cultural thing. We’ve been brought up with this belief that the start of the new year is this magical time, when all of a sudden boom, we can start fresh start clean everything that we’ve sort of patterned and built up to that point no longer affects us and we can only choose what we’re going to change or what we’re going to do better at in the new year. It all sounds wonderful on paper and I wish I could tell you that that’s exactly how it worked. But unfortunately, we can’t instantly regained right all of our patterns in our history at the the tick of The Twelve o’clock. Unfortunately, it would be much easier if we could change now for most people the majority of their New Year’s resolutions tend to be health-related seconded by self-improvement type goals off. It’s interesting that. The younger generation so jensy is much higher percentage of them actually wanting to or anticipating setting New Year’s resolutions. And as you go through the generations towards the older Generations the Baby Boomers and so on that gradually gets less and less and I’m only predict or I can only sort of guess that that’s because they failed a number of times during their younger years wage at actually completing some of these resolutions and that Honda wears on you. I would imagine so down baby boomers where it’s sort of only about 60% of people are going to set New Year’s resolutions for 20 21 Jen’s. He’s offered that 92% So there’s a massive difference dead. They just young and fresh and hasn’t been haven’t had the life beaten out of them yet. So that’s quite interesting. one of the one of the reasons that it’s I guess hypothesized that resolutions don’t necessarily work for the vast majority of people. 00:05:11 – 00:10:50 Is it there there’s a broad it’s I want to improve my health. I want to make more money or be better better manage my money maybe off the really broad. There’s no guidance. There’s no reflection on what the actual issues regarding that are or anything like that. And yes, we know as though T’s that wage. Generally what you would do. If you came across a client with said resolution or goal that you would then go through and break it down and turn it own no manageable steps, but unfortunately the I guess the culture around New Year’s resolution isn’t to do that. It’s just Going to improve my health New Year comes around and boom will buy gym membership for the year and we’ll go for days and waste the rest of it off. What can we actually do? Like, why are we setting these big wish statements? I I think that one of the reasons that that fails is just abroad but sometimes they’re also somewhat Out Of Reach for that point in time for the person which isn’t a bad thing off. I’ll get to that scene. It’s not a bad thing. But because there’s no breakdown of that goal. We don’t know we don’t know that okay. I don’t actually have the skillset yet to be able to complete this resolution. So how am I actually going to do it? Skill sets such as discipline or willpower, which I’m sure many of you will attest really really important when it comes to setting things like exercise goals, like going to the gym or nutrition goals, like, you know, eating healthy eating more vegetables, whatever your goal might be the the soft skills of discipline and willpower a massive and probably the one thing that gets overlooked every single time. Those of you who have listened to this podcast for a very long time now may recall me doing an episode way back. Like eighty Nine episodes episode 7 about smart goal. And I’m going to touch on a little bit of that now while we’re discussing this so one like I said earlier one of the things the needs to happen if someone’s going to make this sort of life-changing decision is it needs to be broken down? It can’t just sit there as this massive on a pedestal life-altering a call on its own and expect to be completed expect to be engaged in and expect to actually happen. So we need to break down now what most people’s defaults would be would be to break it down into smaller goals and I would Hazard a guess that ninety percent of them would recommend writing them are smart goals Now interesting enough. I spoke about in that episode that the sort of the actual purpose of smart goals and what they’re best suited for home. So I spoke about how they are best suited to do things that you already know you can do but you want to be able to do them with more efficiency and speed and efficiency and teamwork if it’s a big group thing that kind of thing. So there are actually things that smart goals may help with and if your resolution is something that you’ve done before or something that you are hundred percent know you can do then there’s the potential that smart goals may actually help you achieve that but given that we seem to be relying on the magic power of January 1st. I’m going to assume for the rest of this episode that wage You’re actually wanting to change about yourself is something that you either have never attempted before or have never attempted successfully before faith in that that tends to be where most people put their wish list for things that they would like to improve about themselves. So I’m not going to look at smart goals as a valid a valid method of achieving these resolutions, but if you would like to jump back to episode info Link in the show notes if you want to have a listen and hear about those So one method that I’ve been using for a number of years now and I believe it was Melinda Gates Bill Gates as wife who I first heard about it in an article where she was being interviewed was too choosy a word or I’ve sort of wage isn’t it to a phrase for the for the upcoming year? So rather than picking something, you know, I guess a negative thing. 00:10:50 – 00:15:14 Generally. That’s the thing that we want to change event as well as is the negative. So what we perceive is the negatives so rather than starting the year off looking at the negatives and what we don’t like about ourselves. I choose a word or a phrase that I want to essentially live that year by and what happens is I don’t for me personally. I don’t tend to set very hard specific job. Dolls of round achieving that it’s simply making me aware of when opportunities around that word or phrase present themselves so that I’m ready to dive into them. So for example, a couple of years ago, I had all the words that I chose was minimalism. So whenever I was looking at purchasing things whenever I was say cleaning out a cupboard in my in my house and my office minimalism was my focus and because it was something that I had been thinking about I had been researching about I had it sort of front of mind it made it very easy for me to incorporate that into any decisions that I’m day-to-day. I ended up clearing out a lot of the Clutter that you know, most people just have rubbish stored not rubbish rubbish, but like useless app Things that I’ve haven’t looked at in years or used in years stored in drawers and cupboards all over the house. I managed to get rid of part of that stuff. I had recently not been the greatest with money but focusing on minimalism and focusing on minimalism when I was actually purchasing things made a massive impact on my decision making and that sort of thing. So another year last year. In fact 2019 my phrase for that year was dead choose adventure ordinance our new adventures. So what I wanted was I had a friend a very good friend who had moved to my city for 12 months and in showing her around and doing all the touristy type things when she first arrived it sort of showed me how little I had actually done in my local area code. I I chose that particular phrase because I wanted to actually get out and do new things. I found that at that point in time. I was very much in my life. Very comfort zone padded like a comfort zone I guess and would not really straight out of it very much and not found that I was sort of missing out on all these random opportunities and trying new things. So my city has a lot of different sort of cross cultural events and that kind of thing stuff that I never ever would have even considered going by my all before but because the the new adventure I guess Monica was front of mind for me that year I went to all sorts of things like art shows and light shows in park. And brass band concerts in Parks more like a lot of art stuff. Actually now that I think about it a lot more camping trips in a lot more would probably a lot more restaurants that sort of thing. So whenever an opportunity would present itself for something that I’d never done before my initial reaction was to say yes, other than it’s not really my thing if I didn’t like it afterwards so be it but there was a lot of things like for example, like a brass band concert in a park definitely not usually something I would choose to do, but I’m really glad that I forced myself into it essentially because it was an experience that I thoroughly enjoyed with some really good friends and the music was really relaxing and kind of cool and it was just, you know little slang on the grass under a tree with this is obviously pretty covid-19. 00:15:15 – 00:20:03 People listening to music and it was an amazing experience something that I wouldn’t have done before that. So that’s how I would work with the phrase or the word of the year. So My 2021 if you follow me on instant, you will have seen a few days ago. I posted at my 2021 off phrase that I am going to live by Thursday. So to speak is genuine connection. I think that this year has made everyone very very acutely aware of their social connections and how to make n them walk through difficult circumstance, but it’s also probably made you realize one how fragile people can be 20 21 has had a mass. Impact on on a lot of people’s mental health including my eye, which I have posted about not too long ago and I might throw that link in the show notes. If you are getting my little girl twenty mental health story, but I think a lot of the issues that arose for many of the people that I spoke with boiled down to connection and either lack of connection or you know, finally coming to the realization that some of the connections that they had weren’t as genuine as they may have believed or any number of different reasons, but it all sort of boiled down to connection and support and and consequently like things like support kind of thing. So my Guanica for next year for twenty or four this year. Sorry, 20 21. I am recording this on New Year’s Eve in the afternoon. So it won’t be twenty-twenty for much longer. But by the time you hear this it will be twenty twenty-one. Yeah, my my word to learn more my phrase to live by for 20 21 is going to be genuine connection and what I’m meaning by that is not Messenger not WhatsApp not any of that like at bare minimum Voice next Thursday. Would be like video but ideally face-to-face face-to-face connections are something that a lot of people have been missing out on this year and continue to in different parts of the world, I completely understand if you know, you might be a bit annoyed at me suggesting some of these things if you’re not currently able to do that in your part of the world, but hang in there it will happen again, you will be able to make those face-to-face connections, but that’s why I set out like a spectrum so you can try to ignore I don’t I I find it very difficult to make really really genuine connections over text cuz there’s so much of communication that’s lost in that but voyage. Minimum video second face-to-face is the gold standard for me next year this year this year going to get used to saying that so that’s what I’m doing this year. So what how I’m going to actually sort of break that down not using smart goals, obviously as I said earlier, but there’s a few things and I’ve met took them off and on throughout the last two and half years of this podcast, but the first thing is when you’re first starting out with something like this that can be quite a large is you want to try to set yourself up to guarantee success. Now, what do I mean by that? I mean that we want to sort of break down this long large thing into smaller more manageable parts. That should be no surprise to anyone. That’s what we do in a variety of ways through Thursday. Clinical practice we grade activities, etc, etc, etc. How I’m going to do that is probably a little bit different to most so my method of doing that is I’m not going to have a really structured rigid plan of I can achieve this this week and that that next week and that the week after excetera. 00:20:03 – 00:25:15 What I’m going to do is say week one or I’m probably month-to-month actually throughout the year. So say for January, what is the minimum the absolute minimum thing that I can make sure that I can achieve with regards to genuine connection. For that month the what is the smallest thing? What is the minimum that I can 100% guarantee that I can do? So it might be I’m going to make a video call with one of my friends that I haven’t spoken to in quite some time just one. That’s the minimum I can do more than that. I can a different person every day if I want to but my minimum standard is what I want to actually set when you’ve done that. So for February like the next month Okay, cool. I was able to do that. I actually rang three people. That’s awesome. So what’s going to be the minimum standard that I can a hundred percent guarantee that I’m going to be able to achieve in February while I know that you know, February is going to be a really busy month for me University goes back. I’ll start studying again. It’s going to be pretty full-on. I don’t know if I could do more than I did last month. So I reckon the minimum I can do cuz I managed to list a month pretty good. I’m going to do three. So the same and you know, I might do for I might only do the three. That’s okay same again. You repeat process each month or each week if you want to if you want to set an eagles, but I just know monthly works for that kind of thing because I’m wea…

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095 – BEST OF 2020 – The Importance of Language in Disability Dec 27, 2020

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I’ve wanted to talk with these two people for a very long time so when the stars aligned and I was able to get them both on the same podcast episode it felt like Christmas!

Having this discussion about language and how we as therapist use it to frame and situate our therapeutic relationship, power and recovery for the people that we work with.

If you haven’t heard of the TV show we talked about, “See”, before then check this out:
Meet the blindness consultant ensuring Apple TV Plus show See respects accessibility

We also mentioned an episode of Killer Mike’s TV show Trigger Warning no Netflix. In particular episode 1 “Living Black”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW79j81iLDI&feature=emb_logo

Love our guests as much as I do? Find them here:

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https://twitter.com/OccScienceBae?s=20

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https://www.facebook.com/b3coffee/

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Brock
@brockcookOT
brock.cook@me.com

093 – BEST OF 2020 – Dev and Brock Deep Dive into Gender Identity and Stigma Dec 08, 2020

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Dev, or you may know them as theRainbowOT is an amazing human. That’s all anyone really needs to know to get started. If you want to know more, keep reading. Dev is on a mission. A mission for inclusion. A mission for happiness. A mission for equal rights. A mission for acceptance. I’ve known Dev for a little while now and even though all of our chats and his other podcasts I still struggled to get my head around their mission. I asked Dev to come on the podcast for the selfish reason of challenging my own knowledge and perspectives and OMG did they do that in spades!

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I loved this conversation. It was challenging and enlightening and real and raw. I hope everyone gets as much out of our conversation as I did.

Listen to these episodes for more in depth information defining the different gender identities:

You can find Devlynn’s website FULL of awesome resources here:
https://therainbowot.com/

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Brock
@brockcookOT
brock.cook@me.com

This image has an empty alt attribute; its file name is 197863707ed04b48bc49d9f698c952d5.jpg — **092 – BEST OF 2020 – Unpacking Colonised Thinking** Dec 03, 2020
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PLEASE NOTE: This episode discusses topics such as colonisation and racism in multiple forms. The guests would like to make it clear that this episode does not sit as a ‘standalone’ teaching tool. If you are planning to share it with your cohorts of students we encourage you to use it alongside other aspects of the curriculum with cultural responsiveness with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.

Have you ever considered the impact colonisation might have had on the indigenous peoples of your country? Have you ever considered the ongoing impact these historical events have had in terms of systemic racism and institutional marginalisation of our clients?

Australia has a checkered and often hidden history when it comes to its colonisation by western entities. The impact that this event has had on Australia’s indigenous peoples is something that continues to impact them today. Today’s episode delves into the institutional racism and cultural isolation that continues today due to Australia’s colonisation in 1788.

This conversation with Tirritpa Richie and Jodie Booth was deep, confronting and mindblowing all at the same time. I can’t express enough how important it is to listen to this one with an open mind and a critically self-reflective lens.

**Racism in Australia** traces both historical and contemporary racist community attitudes, as well as political non-compliance and governmental negligence on United Nations human rights standard and incidents in Australia.^[1] Contemporary Australia is the product of Indigenous peoples of Australia combined with multiple waves of immigration, predominantly from the United Kingdom and Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Australia

Personal Reflection

As I reflected on in episode 044 This session had a HUGE impact on me, alerting me to many considerations in my own schema that I was completely naive to. At the Australian National Conference where Tirritpa Ritchie challenged the room to critically challenge their “whiteness” in the context of the service they deliver/teach.

Map of Indigenous Australia – The map is an attempt to represent all the language, tribal or nation groups of the Indigenous peoples of Australia.

A huge thank you to Jodie Booth who brought this conversation together as its something we all wanted to do justice to as it is something that so important to Australian health care but also relevant to many many other western cultures around the world including the USA and Canada.

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Brock
@brockcookOT
brock.cook@me.com

091 – Falls Prevention and OT Nov 28, 2020

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Some of you will remember Erin from the Occupied 2020 Guide to Job Interviews….Well she’s back! and this time we are delving into her true passion, falls prevention. This is an area I will openly admit that I didn’t know much about the specifics of it so i absolutely loved this conversation. Erin is very occupation based in her views and practice and very practical in her advice. Give it a listen.

Check her out here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFZeWiDh_wi/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

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Brock
@brockcookOT
brock.cook@me.com

090 – Exploring Graffiti as an Occupation Nov 11, 2020

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This episode the lovely Clarissa Sorlie joins me again to shed some light on her interest in the occupation of graffiti. Considering this occupation using the concept of the Dark Side of Occupation we explore the depths of why people engage in it and some of the meaning they often assign to it. If you’re a person that holds the belief that graffiti is something done by “delinquents” or “criminals” than this episode is a absolute must listen.

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Brock
@brockcookOT
brock.cook@me.com

089 – Leading a Mindful Life with Jess Leggatt Nov 02, 2020

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Jess is a phenomenal OT and a great friend of mine. She has often explored the road less travelled in this profession and has developed into a clinician with a unique perspective on life, health, wellbeing and OT. In this episode we delve into Jess’s story, her burnout and how she rebuilt herself to be a better, stronger OT. She talks about her use of mindfulness, self-awareness, rest, and yoga among many other things. I’ve been trying to get Jess on the show for quite some time so I’m super stoked i finally wore her down and helped with her shyness as her story holds within it, so many learning points. Keep Occupied Brock @brockcookOTbrock.cook@me.com Episode Transcript 089 Leading a Mindful Life with Jess Leggatt 00:00:01 – 00:05:20 Hi, welcome to episode number 89 just a quick thing before we get stuck into this episode is if you roll on over to the occupied podcast Instagram page or our Facebook page, you’ll find a little video explaining that we are currently doing a giveaway. We are giving away a copy of Assessments in occupational therapy mental health version three the textbook for nothing. Well not necessarily for nothing. There is a change something that you have to do for it, but jump along their check out that and enter that if that’s something that you think might be of interest to you this episode not a long-term friend an amazing amazing occupational therapist. Just like it. Let’s kick out the jams off. Yeah very much. So I I’m kind of of the same Theory OT definitely found me when I was in my younger teenage years. I always wanted to get into like a helping profession of some sort. I went through a phase of wanting to be a nurse at some stage and then I really got Keen that I wanted a doctor and then I found out how long it would take to become a doctor and the study that was involved in that so I decided no that wasn’t for me. But yeah, there’s definitely a period of time for a good probably one or two years when I was serious about becoming a doctor and then I got to my later teenage years and my senior high school study that thought I was talking to my sisters friend who was studying occupational therapy at the time and she was telling me about this wonderful profession and what it included. And I was very holistic and it was very based on, you know, the person and very client-oriented. It was all about helping people get back to what they loved, you know doing things that were meaningful and when she started telling me about this profession and at the time she was interested in Pediatrics OT so she was studying a lot of subjects based on that fact, I was very much interested in working with kids as well. So I thought perfect this is a beautiful match up. I’ll be able to help people but it will also be very holistic and I will be able to work with kids need someone to so from there. I basically thought yep, that’s the profession for me and it wasn’t I think I was in like you’re twelve at the time so luckily I’d taken the rat subjects more science-based kind of subjects and yeah knowing that I wanted to get into sort of some sort of tertiary sciency helping profession and then yet when I found out about that when you’re twelve was like God That sounds like the perfect perfect profession for me. So I went in to actually didn’t get straight into OT. I didn’t get a high enough o p but I ended up going into human movement studies and I did a year in human movements and then I was able to go from Human movement studies into occupational therapy from there. And I was very focused on becoming a pediatric OT. I was just going to like there was just no doubt in my mind. That was it. I was going to be pediatric OT there was just no question marks around that Mom took all my subjects in Peds. I I did my practice at the The Children’s Clinic at ukyou. I did a wonderful job at the Royal children’s Children’s Hospital here in Boise and absolutely fell in love with the profession even more and also it’s like yeah kids kids kids all the way home. And when I graduated I also did my honors project with grade grade one kids at the Morris School here in Brisbane working with young indigenous and irrational Torres Strait Islanders at the most school. And basically after I graduated the first job that I went for was a new grad position at the Children’s Hospital. Okay didn’t get it was absolutely devastated like it was like heartbreaking. I think I was bawling my eyes out after I didn’t get job and I just thought oh my God Almighty felt like all my dreams were like ripped away from me in that one instance, but they explained to me at the other place that they had other new grads applying for it and they had the the OT that got it had been out for a year. 00:05:20 – 00:10:18 So she’d been practicing for 12 months in Pediatrics. So that kind of made me feel a little bit better off. I was still absolutely heartbroken and devastated and I thought gosh, what am I going to do? Like real children’s hospital that was kind of like this dream dream aspiration of mine off. So the very next job I went for was in a cute adult working at a hospital. And this was at gravesites Private Hospital here in Boise, and I went for that job and I got the job. So it would and I got the job based on some of my clinical subjects that I’ve done it uni. I’ve done some study in chronic pain management. So that was something that they looked at as you know favorable favorable and I’d also done some splinting so some Hand Therapy work at the Royal here in Brisbane as well. So they looked at and I said, right you’ll fit this accutrol that we have available and I got thrown into that and I became the Dead. Yes, flinching o t and therapy o t at the hospital and I also worked in the the area of chronic pain. So and I never got to work with kids, you know, God well more recently. I mean, I will probably talk about more more about this as we go along. But yeah, I mean, I’ve had a very eclectic occupational therapy career choice pain. I have dabbled in every single little area that you could probably think of an occupational therapy and have sort of jumped around in the hospital system off in different Wards different departments different areas, but more recently funnily Enough full circle. I’m working with young people. So not with Kitty finally finally finally watching twenty years and it’s within youth mental health. So an absolutely adoring it loving it and have certainly found my Niche that I can bring. Everything together including that that passion of working with young people. So that’s awesome. Because I know when we met your working at Green slopes, do you remember do you remember the story of how we met how you connect with me gosh was that we’ve first days was that we I think it was after it was after I remember when I came across to you passed across many years ago back in kind of Rufus days, which is occupational opportunities for refugees asylum-seekers, which is a volunteer-based group of OTAs that did some wonderful things back in the day but Clarissa, I remember that you had either interviewed her or you had she had a choice you you about something and I saw a little article and I saw your name at the bottom of the article and I really liked what you’d have to say about occupation and using occupation as you know, God As the mains to your therapy basically and I remember ready to add a class in your name and I think somehow I jumped on and we connected in that way but that was way back in the day long. Do you remember you have a telling more about the cuz I remember this clearly cuz it still cracks me up cuz I’ve never heard anyone do it since okay. I got this random email from you. Yes never met we never spoke and we’d never anything and I think the opening line was we need to connect or something to that effect. And the story you told me and you written this off a massive email and it was like the very end of it doesn’t sound like me and I hope that doesn’t scare you off kind of thing. But the basic premise was that I’d popped up three times. Yes, apparently had this rule. Like if something happens three times, then you have to like lean into it. So I got this email saying from this completely random lady, I’d never wage Before sending that I popped into a life three times recently and I’m like, okay. Alrighty, this is shrewd that is totally my go-to in life. If something pops up for me like it might be like a random something on social media. It might be a book. It might be someone kind of mentioning it offhandedly, whatever it might be home. Exactly. Yeah. So I think maybe that first time was that little Crossing and part of me reading that article with your name at the bottom and going off like what this guy’s got to say about occupational therapy and I love his passion and enthusiasm and that you know, there’s this real basis of using occupational therapy and then there must have been two jobs and stuff says I don’t remember what those two other instances Were Somehow you cross. 00:10:18 – 00:15:01 My problem, Probably still got the email. I’m pretty probably find it somewhere in The Volt. From we call that would have been might years ago. That was a long time. Yes. Yes. I think I just moved back here to town. I love that you remember that because it dulls me back into the country as well. It’s three times and you’ve got a lean into it. You’ve got to jump on it and go what’s what’s coming up for me that needs to be kind of explored or that I need to connect all and weirdly. I think it was only a few weeks. After that. I was going down to Brisbane for something was in a conference. You’re going to cross reference kind of conference driving past the hospital. Yeah. I was I think I might have been on the Gulf Coast. Actually. I think that might have been the mental health Forum on the Gulf Coast. Yes, which was read about 2012. Mm that must mean 2013 2013 age they caught up in the city for lunch. I think and had a chat and yeah, yeah tested ever since birth. Yes. Yes we have. Oh and we went to the car. What model Workshop remember to? Yep. That was yeah, you’re after all so yeah. Yeah, so a lot less than the last time I think Michael Obama made it out to Australia. We both went and a couple of other people I knew and when it’s dinner after that with a big group of fotis, which was always fun. It’s always a fun thing to do when you suck specially after a day like that. We’ve just had a like a whole day just sort of interest in OT related software rock your world didn’t have to be ideal like anything and then you sort of continued it on in the home is a more informal way, which is what yes, that’s what this podcast has been described as I don’t know if you deny JT Booth. I know Judy both. We actually study together Universe. I never got to work with her after that. I should stay out of the University now, I think so, but she’s she’s described in her description when I first started it was this is the conversations that you have in the bar off. A conference that’s that’s fairly accurate preferably before or after a wine or a beer during during jury. I know I remember that night very fun. I remember that whole day that night very fondly because we connected with some pretty special oties including Michael and voila all the way from the US and thought that was my second time. I got to meet Micheal in Australia, which was pretty unfortunate. But it just it took me back to my days when I went to the home World Federation it conference here in Australia, I think which is like yeah investing. It’s like 2006. I think a lot of be before I graduated so I missed it wage. Yeah. Yeah. So when was your your graduation 2008 2008? Yeah while I was at Uni it was on I think so. That was a pretty magical time and magic club. Experience for us. There’s a small group of us who are involved as I mentioned before with Rufus and we were just kind of on this trajectory of connecting with some pretty incredible expertise from around the world. We we sponsored sponsored an OT who worked with refugees over in Georgia the country of Georgia and we’d be fundraising events and my husband’s a musician and and we have musician friends. So we put together performances and live music, you know events and things to raise money and we need these big bulk of money and were like, what are we going to do with it? And so we decided to advertise for this scholarship for someone to come to Australia who work directly with refugees off grass roots on the ground, you know in the kind of you know sort of yeah in the field and so we put it out there and we got this amazing incredible birth. I’m to actually amazing incredible OTS because wolf it in the end the World Federation OT decided to chip in money as well. And we were able to sponsor to scholarships for them to come over here to Australia. Yeah, so they came along to the world OT conference in Sydney and we got to meet them. We got to be exchanged so much just make sure and clinical experience and yeah, we developed and forth like some really lovely friendships with these two. 00:15:01 – 00:20:04 I teased from from Georgia and yeah, they flew back home and took the wonderful experience of Australia hear back with them. And yeah, we continue that friendship in that professional relationships are quite some time pretty sure I remember seeing photos I think cuz so I met Clarissa at the state conference and can’t write in dog. 2012 gosh, I reckon that’s when you was she was that article potentially. I’m not sure but that’s that’s where I that’s where I first took over as like a pretty much signed up on the spot cuz she was an invited speaker or a keynote speaker or something at that conference. So like connected with her there and there wasn’t that many members up this end of the country at the time. I think it was only a couple but it it was definitely I think that was that sponsoring was one of the examples she might from memory. She used during a keynote of the different things that sort of do for acid on a new facet achieved. Yeah and also fan. This is even if it’s not like like and the time it wasn’t an area or I’d ever worked in or even considered working in but I’m I’m sold like this is yeah, this is Artie and she speaks about she could sell ice to Eskimos. She speaks about so much passion. So has so much eloquence and birth. Professional just passion and she’s just his wealth of walking knowledge and wisdom. I yeah, I was very very blessed to be able to kind of walk alongside her and work with her as my through the leader. I guess although the founding member the key founding member of roof racks, and yes been a lot of time and close during those years and years. She has inspired me immensely with her leadership. Yeah, very very much connected heart-to-heart connection. But yeah, very Grassroots based. So you’re a green slips the whole ton. So when you first see you said before like you started a green slip. Well you at that hospital right up until recently when you left. Yeah. Yes. So basically my journey has been a so I started as a baby new grad a green slopes Hospital back in 2005 cried heartbroken that I wasn’t able to work with kids, but yep. Obviously life has a plan and I always believed, you know things happen for a reason and I was obviously drawn into that hospital and working in those areas for particular reason. So 2005 baby new grad Greensleeves hospital. I was there for about three years I think and then I spent a good chunk of time. I think it was just over a year and another hospital building a pain management program. So we established just basically from like ground level up totally like this green level position where I was thrown into the mix of creating this pain management department pretty much pain management program Department. You name it from scratch and I went in there and there was I was it there was off the team that was like nursing is no other there was a there was a…

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