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Nevermind the Music

The podcast about the songs you love and why you love them! Join us each week as two friends, one a music professor and one a psychology professor, hang out and deep dive about one iconic song. Laugh and learn with us about songwriting, the brain, and pop culture.

Send us your thoughts at NeverMusicPod@gmail.com and check us out on social media @NeverMusicPod

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Nevermind the Music is published by the Lorehounds

Copyright: © copyright (c) 2024 Mark Popeney and Nichole Vatcher. All rights reserved.

Latest Episodes:

Sidetrack - Sharing Song Credit Apr 15, 2025

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Should artists always get a share of the songwriting credit? This week, we discuss songwriting and who exactly deserves the credit and profit from a successful song. Also, Mark looks back on how his view of authorship and his own songwriting priorities have changed over the years. Check us out next week for a new full episode!

Music heard in this episode: Claude Debussy - “Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune”

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‘Everybody Wants to Rule the World’ by Tears for Fears and Rhythms from the Big Chair Apr 08, 2025

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Was this song written just for this podcast? Tears for Fears’ 1985 smash “Everybody Wants to Rule the World” is so perfect that even the band name is a psychology reference. Oh, and the album title is a callout to dissociative identity disorder. Mark takes that and runs, connecting that to the unusual pace the chords of the song shift. Nichole also wonders: does everybody actually want to rule the world?

Other music heard in this episode: Tears for Fears - "Mothers Talk," Tears for Fears - "Head Over Heels", Tears for Fears - "I Believe," Tears for Fears - "Mad World," Miles Davis - "So What", Earth, Wind & Fire - "Shining Star", Live,- "Lightning Crashes"

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Sidetrack - Nichole Reacts to the NTM Theme Music Apr 01, 2025

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Wait, we have ad music? In this sidetrack, Nichole hears the podcast theme music and ad music for the first time. She has her favorites and… um, what’s the opposite of favorite? See you next week for a full episode!

Music heard in this episode: Mark Popeney - Nevermind the Music Theme, The Slackademics - "This Dance", The Slackademics - "Outrageous Vibe"

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‘Grenade’ by Bruno Mars and Codependent Minor Scales Mar 25, 2025

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Why won’t someone help that poor man carry his piano? Here we sweat over Bruno Mars’ 2010 hit ‘Grenade.’ Mark thinks a lot of the heaviness of this song is due to the use of an interesting tweak on the minor key, while Nichole tries to get to the bottom of what might be going on in the head of the song’s sad protagonist.

Other music heard in this episode: Kesha - “We R Who We R”, Bruno Mars - “The Lazy Song”, Adele - “Rolling in the Deep”, Hall & Oates - “Maneater”, Bruno Mars - “Treasure”, Bruno Mars - “Lock Out of Heaven”, Bruno Mars - “Finesse”

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Sidetrack - Why ‘What a Fool Believes’ by The Doobie Brothers is the Greatest Song of All Time Mar 18, 2025

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Can you sing like Michael McDonald? Probably not, but it’s fun to try! In this Sidetrack, Mark makes the case that the 1978 Doobie Brothers gem is the greatest song of all time. Well, it and all the other songs it shares that title with. Can he convince Nichole? See you next week for a full episode!

Music heard in this episode: The Doobie Brothers - “What a Fool Believes”, Jimmy Fallon - “I Keep Forgettin' (Every Time You're Near)", Kenny Loggins - “What a Fool Believes”

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‘Hotline Bling’ by Drake and Possessive Interruptions Mar 11, 2025

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What does that bling mean, Drake? Tell us! Here we’re picking apart Drake’s 2016 meme-factory “Hotline Bling.” Mark really wants to talk about how this song is built on a series of surprises and interruptions, and Nichole… well let’s just say Nichole wants to pick a fight. Ever since I left the city…

Other music heard in this episode: ToonLink/Nosquist - "Wii Shop Bling", Timmy Thomas - "Why Can't We Live Together", Drake - "Come Through", Drake - "Furthest Thing", Drake - "March 14", Kendrick Lamar - "Sing About Me,, I'm Dying of Thirst", The Beatles - "A Day in the Life", OutKast - "Ghettomusick"

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Sidetrack - The Barbershop Quartets are Coming for Mark Mar 04, 2025

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How do you balance change and tradition? In this Sidetrack, we talk about either the geekiest cool thing, or the coolest geeky thing in the world: barbershop quartet music! Mark shares some music and stories, and brings up a confusing tension he has seen within the music. This one gets surprisingly “real.” Catch us next week for a full episode!

Music heard in this episode: Rockapella - “Where in the World is Carmen San Diego?”, The Buffalo Bills - “Sweet Adeline”, Boyz II Men - “It’s So Hard to Say Goodbye to Yesterday”, The Be Sharps - “Baby on Board” - The Buffalo Bills - “It’s You”, American Quartet - “Denver Town”, Bluegrass Student Union - “Swanee”, Bluegrass Student Union - “Stardust”

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‘Long Train Runnin’’ by The Doobie Brothers and Flashbulb Cadences Feb 25, 2025

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Without love, where would you be now?Join us as we inhale some of that 1973 classic “Long Train Runnin’” by The Doobie Brothers. Mark draws our attention to a chord that finds a powerful new meaning in this song, which reminds Nichole of how our strongest memories are very much dependent on the context. But seriously, everyone, Tom Johnston or Michael McDonald?

Other music heard in this episode: The Doobie Brothers - “Listen to the Music”, The Doobie Brothers - “Minute By Minute”, Chuck Berry - “Johnny B. Goode”, Soul Brother Six - “Some Kind of Wonderful”, Bluegrass Student Union - “Goodbye My Coney Island Baby/We All Fall”, Bonnie Raitt - “I Can’t Make You Love Me”, Muse - “Big Freeze”, fun. - “We Are Young”

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Sidetrack - Mark Geeks Out About Minimalism Feb 18, 2025

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Einstein on the what? Follow Mark and Nichole down the rabbit hole (or up to the loft apartment in Manhattan) as we talk about musical minimalism, a quirky and surprising style that still influences music today. Join us next week for another full episode!

Music heard in this episode: Steve Reich - "Piano Phase", Steve Reich - "Electric Counterpoint", The Who - "Baba O'Reilly", Terry Riley - "A Rainbow in Curved Air", Philip Glass - "Einstein on the Beach", Arvo Part - "Cantus in Memory of Benjamin Britten"

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Bonus! - Ladies & Gentlemen... 50 Years of SNL Music (feat. David Lorehound) Feb 17, 2025

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What better excuse for a bonus episode than the great new SNL documentary? David from The Lorehounds joins Mark and Nichole for a deep dive on Questlove's documentary chronicling Saturday Night Live's extraordinary musical history. The hosts break down the documentary's remarkable opening medley, discuss how SNL transformed live television music performances, and explore the show's role in launching countless musical careers. From iconic impersonations to controversial live moments, they examine how SNL became a premier showcase for musical innovation and artistic expression over five decades. Tune in tomorrow for our regularly scheduled Sidetrack (and next week for a full episode!)

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