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Balaji’s Gray Tribe, Fixing SF, and whether to start or buy a city? Nov 13, 2023

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Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg discuss whether San Francisco can be exited or reformed, how to impact local politics, and what it would take to get talented, innovative people to live in the same city. Wherever and whatever you’re selling, get Shopify for $1/month trial period using code https://shopify.com/momentofzen

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Every week investor and writer of the popular newsletter The Diff, Byrne Hobart, and co-host Erik Torenberg discuss today’s major inflection points in technology, business, and markets – and help listeners build a diversified portfolio of trends and ideas for the future. Subscribe to “The Riff” with Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg: https://link.chtbl.com/theriff

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Join host Samo Burja and Erik Torenberg as they analyze the mindsets of today’s most intriguing business leaders, investors, and innovators through the lens of their bold actions and contrarian worldviews. You’ll come away with a deeper understanding of the development of technology, business, political power, culture and more. LIsten and subscribe everywhere you get your podcasts: https://link.chtbl.com/liveplayers.

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(00:00) Episode Preview

(00:02:23) SF is back

(00:05:08) SF can be cleaned up pretty fast

(00:08:47) Who runs for office?

(00:16:07) Sponsor: Shopify

(00:17:43) You can buy a city

(00:25:11) Elites don’t move

(00:28:57) Analyzing the success of charter city state movements

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(00:36:13): Can we get people to move to SF and change the city?

(00:44:30) Tech is politically absent at the local level

(00:50:45) Talent wants to agglomerate

(00:57:00) Educational challenges

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Biden vs Trump in Israel, Why Younger People Support Palestine, and Why There is No International Community Nov 06, 2023

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Dan Romero, Antonio Garcia Martinez and Erik Torenberg discuss the US reaction to the Israel-Hamas War. If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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TIMESTAMPS :

(00:00) Episode Preview

(00:05) What would be different if Trump were in office?

(09:10) Information and misinformation sources from the war

(12:36) Sponsor: Shopify | Vanta

(17:30) Apple’s Slack rebellion

(19:26) Paul Graham

(20:56) Trusting reported deaths

(24:22) Does Israel even care about the West?

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(37:15) Living in the society of spectacle

(39:15) Showy narcissism

(38:50) The psychoanalysis of narcissism

(42:00) The irredentist philosophy

(43:39) The underlying sentiment that Israel shouldn't exist

(45:40) There is no international community

(49:40) Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity

(52:20) US support for Israel 15 years from now

(55:00) Will Hamas be eliminated?

(58:00) It seems like Israel's got it all worked out

(01:01:00) Just ban TikTok

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MoZ gets Nuke Pilled with Packy and Julia Oct 30, 2023

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Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg are joined by Packy McCormick of Not Boring and Julia DeWahl (founder of Antares, ex-SpaceX) to talk about the past, present, and future of nuclear energy. Packy and Julia co-host a new narrative series called Age of Miracles ( If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:46) Why the interest in nuclear energy?

(05:45) Why does energy matter?

(09:10) Greta Thunberg and environmentalism as religion replacement

(12:08) Why France got it right in the 70s

(14:48) Sponsors: Vanta and NetSuite

(17:04) Myth-busting: nuclear waste and disasters

(22:33) Why has the anti-nuclear movement been so potent?

(26:46) Breaking down the incentives at play in regulation and the free market

(39:00) How do you change the perception and safety?

(47:50) The opportunities to build in the nuclear space

(56:50) Applying Elon’s frameworks to building in the nuclear space

(01:00:45) Safety culture and accountability

(01:08:20) Opportunity for SMR companies from Microsoft and congress

(01:10:20) Are we overestimating nuclear’s impact versus other energy sources?

(01:16:05) Capital markets and idea maze problem

(01:23:00) How to get involved in opportunities in nuclear if you have no background

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Antonio's Dispatch From Israel Oct 23, 2023

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Antonio Garcia Martinez, reporting live from Israel, joins Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg to share his firsthand perspective on the ground, discussing the unfolding events, and potential outcomes for Israel and Gaza. If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen

Discussion recorded on October 22, 2023.

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The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down thenitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors.

Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord.

https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:40) Antonio’s describes traveling to the south of israel

(06:10) How Israel is unifying and mobilizing

(09:05) Hostage situation sentiments

(12:14) Sponsors: Vanta | NetSuite

(19:05) Antonio’s predictions

(28:00) What happens next in Gaza

(36:00) What’s happening in the North with Hezbollah?

(37:30) How the Israeli secular left do not understand the Western left’s reaction

(40:30) The biblical echoes of the double standards placed on Israel

(46:05) Intra-Israel civil war

(52:40) Can there be a happy ending here?

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Why this is BLM for Jews, unpacking the conflict, and predictions for Israel, Gaza, and Iran Oct 16, 2023

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Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg discuss the history of Israel, Gaza, and Iran and what happens next in this war on the ground. They also discuss the schism in the public discourse and the downstream political implications in the US. If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen

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SELECT LINKS:

-Wikipedia : List of Jewish Nobel Laureates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

- Book: Rise and Kill First https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_and_Kill_First

- Iranian Agent - Robert Malley Spy Ring story https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/iran-spy-ring-robert-malley-lee-smith

& Washington Post article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/09/06/rob-malley-iran-security-clearance-investigation/

-Econ 102 episode where Noah Smith discusses the War in Israel and economic causes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW1coCYfapA

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(03:50) Israel, Gaza and Mood affiliation

(07:55) The New York Times front page

(13:00) The schism in the current thing

(15:30) Moral equivalence in this conflict

(19:00) Inconsistencies on the far left

(23:00) History of the conflict and borders

(25:00) Thanks to our sponsors: Vanta, NetSuite

(27:00) Why are Jews so successful and disliked?

(36:00) Argumentative Jews

(40:00) Going deeper into the historical roots

(45:45) Understanding Israel, Iran, and neighbors' nuclear programs

(57:10) Would Palestinian economic prosperity solve this conflict?

(01:06:00) Biggest concerns

(01:10:00) Israel's next move

(01:15:45) Pendulum swing back to Trump?

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The Hoax of the Century, Hybrid Warfare, Iran, and Israel with Jacob Siegel Oct 07, 2023

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Dan Romero, Erik Torenberg and Antonio Garcia Martinez are joined by journalist Jacob Siegel to discuss disinformation, the evolving narrative between tech and political power, and geopolitics. This episode was recorded on October 1st, before Hamas' attack on Israel. If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:48) Jacob on Balaji’s Gray - Red - Blue tribe framework

(03:38) How to make the Gray tribe inspiring

(06:30) E/acc and tech with grandeur

(08:27) Abundance agenda vs administrative state

(14:20) Bernie Sanders

(15:55) Sponsors: Vanta | NetSuite

(18:10) Elon Musk relationship with Obama-era Whitehouse

(22:28) Private markets vs Government subsidized innovation

(24:00) Ideal balance between protectionist policies and free markets

(29:45) Jacob on Israel over-leveraging its tech sector

(36:00) Tracing the narrative of tech and democratic political power

(42:30) Hybrid warfare since 2014

(46:20) Antonio joins the conversation

(51:00) Gamergate as a pivotal event

(01:03:00) Plato’s cave reflections of American domestic political neurosis

(01:08:40) Ukraine, Russia, and Biden’s strategic logic

(01:18:30) Can there be a happy ending in Israel?

(01:24:00) The threat of Iran

(01:34:30) US should end the Israeli Subsidy

(01:45:00)The fight over the soul of the nation

(01:51:00) Predicting the future of Israel in 30-40 years

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Elon and the Border Crisis, the Case for Immigration, and the American Dream Oct 02, 2023

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Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg talk about the ongoing border crisis, the history of immigration to the US, and the case for and against immigration. If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:31) The American dream

(05:37) Why does Elon Musk care about what's happening at the border?

(10:44) The history of immigration in the US

(13:30) H1-B visas and temporary protected status

(18:04) Sponsors: Vanta | NetSuite

(19:37) Immigration under Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump

(20:02) Sponsors: Vanta & Netsuite

(24:51) No place for nuance

(28:21) Asylum seeking

(31:38) Current state: complete failure

(37:15) Arguments for and against immigration

(45:04) Polling on immigration issue

(49:01) Basic rule of law

(56:18) Fringe theory: the great replacement theory

(59:21) Dan’s proposal: voter ID

(01:03:13) Does a country have a right to determine its demographics?

(01:12:02) Do immigrants assimilate?

(01:21:39) Pro-immigration but anti gentrification

(01:25:11) Is it feasible for Balaji's gray tribe to take back San Francisco?

(01:33:20) Dan’s optimistic take on a potential deal

(01:35:31) Immigration and innovation

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Ideas from Balaji and Curtis That Changed Our Minds Sep 25, 2023

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Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg talk about their intellectual evolution, why San Francisco is back, and the ideas finding new momentum because of the thorny politics in tech the last few years. If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen

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SELECT LINKS:

Dan’s reference: the most interesting new city project in San Francisco: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/25/business/land-purchases-solano-county.html
James Portnoy, Founder of Barstool, going on the offensive against a Washington Post reporter writing a hit piece: https://deadline.com/2023/09/barstool-sports-owner-dave-portnoy-confronts-washington-post-reporter-1235554436/
Most important blog: Scott Alexander’s https://slatestarcodex.com/ which is now Astral Codex Ten https://www.astralcodexten.com/
Curtis Yarvin: https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/, https://graymirror.substack.com/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(05:00) Why San Francisco’s Network Effects, like Twitter, is futile to leave (Network Effects are a bitch)

(13:40) Tech reclaiming a political voice

(15:30) Sponsors: Vanta | NetSuite

(17:40) Media losing ground after taking too many shots during the last administration

(20:35) Mood affiliation & social justice policies in tech companies

(23:05) In this economy?

(30:41) Balaji Srinivasan

(34:25)The Borg

(39:10) Social Supply Chain

(40:21) Curtis Yarvin

(59:40) Bring your whole self to work

(01:03:00) The clear pill: winning by losing

(01:10:00) Good ideas, bad UI

(01:16:35) Newspapers are a mood affiliation business

(01:19:24) Right and Left wing, who loses in the long arc of history?

(01:26:30) Dan’s thinking around the next successful candidate

(01:33:05) Threshold for changing your thinking

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Wonks vs Proles, Post Liberalism, and Politics as Religious War with Walter Russell Mead Sep 16, 2023

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Dan Romero, Antonio Garcia Martinez, and Erik Torenberg sit down with Professor Walter Russel Mead, an American academic, author, WSJ- and Tablet-contributor, and podcast host to discuss the shape of the next era after our information age.

Moment of Zen is part of Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: www.turpentine.co

TIMESTAMPS:

(01:00) Episode Preview

(03:30) What is the American Crisis right now?

(08:00) New social model for the information age

(11:24) Sponsors: Vanta | NetSuite

(16:30) A(brahamic) bomb and revolutionary change in human society

(22:40) Has religion peaked or is the world getting more religious?

(28:00) Who believes in happy endings?

(30:30) Israel vs. American Jews

(33:00) Israeli-Palestinian conflict still matters, just not to Israelis in power

(36:40) Characterizing American foreign policy

(45:00) Nation states vs Network States h/t Balaji

(54:20) Defining the next era of Post Liberalism

(1:01:00) Populists, Plutocrats, Technocrats, and the Intelligentsia

(1:11:00) Israel’s future and what’s at stake

(1:24:00) Could California be Republican again?

(1:30:00) Golda Meir and female power

(1:33:50) Arafat and a jasmine-scented night in Gaza

LINKS:

-What Really Matters podcast: https://www.tabletmag.com/podcasts/what-really-matters

-Walter Russell Mead, The A(braham) Bomb: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/abraham-bomb-via-meadia-walter-russell-mead

-Antonio Garcia Martinez, Among the Protestors: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/among-the-protesters-antonio-garcia-martinez

-Go back and listen to our Moment of Zen episodes with Tablet’s Editor in Chief Alana Newhouse (E29), Nadia Asparouhova (E26) and Liel Leibovitz (E23)

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Balaji on How the Tech Tribe Can Save Our Cities - Part 2 Sep 10, 2023

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Balaji Srinivasan returns to go deeper into his theory of the Social Lens. Balaji, Erik, and Dan discuss the tactics the Gray tribe can use to create, identify, grow, and scale their power, how the tribal lens maps to geopolitics, the Blue playbook through the last several decades of world history, and more. We're proudly sponsored by Vanta. Get $1000 off Vanta with https://www.vanta.com/zen

Note: This is an unfiltered discussion that functions as an early draft for an essay and video Balaji plans to release soon.

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) - Episode Preview

(02:20) - You can found a tribe just like you can found a startup

(10:30) - Exit vs Reform

(16:42) - Sponsors: Vanta, NetSuite

(19:05) - Any statement can be problematized

(29:00) - Can you presume societal stability? Not if you’re thinking like a CEO

(34:00) - Strength of network effects

(52:20) - Inequality has decreased

(55:15) - Japanese vs Chinese economic model for innovation

(01:07:45) - Asia is rising, the US is in relative decline

(01:30:15) - How Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, and Garry Tan respond to Blue or reform it from within

(01:38:00) - The Market for Revolutionaries: Myanmar, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Hong Kong and China

(01:48:00) - Blue is a business model

(01:57:00) - Charity is dependency. Investment is independence.

(02:06:00) - Who defines democracy, and where is the term going?

(02:27:00) - Grays attract the smartest defectors

(02:36:30) - How the Gray territory gets built on land

(02:49:49) - What is the highest belief and ideology of each tribe?

(02:56:00) - Parallels with the Soviet Union and India

(03:15:00) - Mapping the advantages to Blue and Gray

(03:28:50) - How Gray beats Blue for control of cities

(03:33:00) - Gray pride parade

(03:40:00) - Winning the police

(03:50:00) - How the Grays in San Francisco will organize themselves

(03:55:30 - The power of Elon renaming Twitter

(03:57:00) - Small business owners and the working class

(04:00:00) - The CHAZ (Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone) in reverse

(04:17:00) - AI will help expedite the Gray cause

(04:20:00) - Can this really happen?

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