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    Manifold

    Steve Hsu is Professor of Theoretical Physics and Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University. Join him for wide-ranging conversations with leading writers, scientists, technologists, academics, entrepreneurs, investors, and more.

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    AI Billionaire on Existential Risk: Jaan Tallinn – #112 May 21, 2026
    Show notes

    Jaan Tallinn is a tech billionaire and founding engineer of Skype who leverages his wealth to mitigate existential risks from artificial general intelligence (AGI). He co-founded the Future of Life Institute and the Centre for the Study of Existential Risk, while making early foundational investments in frontier AI labs like DeepMind andAnthropic.

    Chapter Markers:

    00:00 Assessing Current AI Risk Levels
    03:28 Inside Self-Sustaining AI Scenarios
    09:10 The Global AI Race Dynamics
    42:25 Explaining the Techno-Capital Flywheel
    45:34 Insider Origins of AI Safety
    56:06 Race Politics and Public Fear
    01:23:12 Pop Culture, Movies, and Fame
    01:30:15 Big Questions for Humanity's Future

    –

    Steve Hsu is Professor of Theoretical Physics and of Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University. Previously, he was Senior Vice President for Research and Innovation at MSU and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Science at the University of Oregon. Hsu is a startup founder (SuperFocus.ai, SafeWeb, Genomic Prediction, Othram) and advisor to venture capital and other investment firms. He was educated at Caltech and Berkeley, was a Harvard Junior Fellow, and has held faculty positions at Yale, the University of Oregon, and MSU. Please send any questions or suggestions to manifold1podcast@gmail.com or Steve on X @hsu_steve.



    Announcing this for some friends at Mechanize - a startup that builds environments for training and evaluating frontier LLMs. Its customers include the top AI labs, and it has contributed to the breakthrough in coding capabilities of frontier models.


    Mechanize is hiring!

    https://mechanize.work/b/hsu


    Compensation is extremely competitive. For technical roles, $300-500k. They are also seeking smart generalists.


    For example:


    Research Engineer, Alignment: Build evals that test for misaligned model behaviors $500K salary


    Puzzle Maker: Design interesting and original puzzles that LLMs can’t yet solve $300K salary


    Mechanize understands that my readership is highly selected. There is a VERY GOOD CHANCE you will be interviewed if you apply via the link above.

    Embryo Selection and Frontier Genomics with Dr. Alex Young – #111 May 07, 2026
    Show notes

    Dr. Alex Young, a statistical geneticist and assistant professor in the Human Genetics department at UCLA, joins Steve Hsu to discuss the cutting edge of genomic prediction. They cover his research on polygenic embryo screening in IVF (including the ImputePGTA method), family-based DNA analysis, missing heritability, and the implications of polygenic scores for traits like education and disease. Alex also discusses his recent battles with cancer.

    https://x.com/AlexTISYoung


    Chapter Markers:

    • (00:00) - Alex Young Bio
    • (06:36) - Biobank Era Genetics
    • (10:49) - Missing Heritability Debate
    • (27:18) - Embryo Selection Controversy
    • (50:32) - Embryo Selection Backlash
    • (53:42) - Mexico City Admixture Study
    • (01:00:13) - Censorship Via Data Access Control
    • (01:05:02) - Battle With Cancer and Circulating Tumor DNA (ctDNA)


    –

    Steve Hsu is Professor of Theoretical Physics and of Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University. Previously, he was Senior Vice President for Research and Innovation at MSU and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Science at the University of Oregon. Hsu is a startup founder (SuperFocus.ai, SafeWeb, Genomic Prediction, Othram) and advisor to venture capital and other investment firms. He was educated at Caltech and Berkeley, was a Harvard Junior Fellow, and has held faculty positions at Yale, the University of Oregon, and MSU. Please send any questions or suggestions to manifold1podcast@gmail.com or Steve on X @hsu_steve.



    Announcing this for some friends at Mechanize - a startup that builds environments for training and evaluating frontier LLMs. Its customers include the top AI labs, and it has contributed to the breakthrough in coding capabilities of frontier models.


    Mechanize is hiring!

    https://mechanize.work/b/hsu


    Compensation is extremely competitive. For technical roles, $300-500k. They are also seeking smart generalists.


    For example:


    Research Engineer, Alignment: Build evals that test for misaligned model behaviors $500K salary


    Puzzle Maker: Design interesting and original puzzles that LLMs can’t yet solve $300K salary


    Mechanize understands that my readership is highly selected. There is a VERY GOOD CHANCE you will be interviewed if you apply via the link above.

    Iran War is the First Missile War (crossover with Seeking Truth From Facts podcast) – #110 Apr 23, 2026
    Show notes

    Steve and Alf discuss the Iran War, emphasizing what it

    reveals about modern missile and anti-missile technology, drones, and

    the implications for a US-China conflict in the Western Pacific.

    Links:
    https://seekingtruthfromfacts.substack.com/

    Chapter Markers:

    • (00:00) - Missile War Reality Check
    • (01:49) - How the War Started
    • (04:46) - Iran Outperforms Expectations
    • (06:22) - Why Missile Defense Fails
    • (14:25) - Ceasefire and Hormuz Brinkmanship
    • (19:52) - Nukes and the JCPOA Fallout
    • (33:44) - US Politics and Israel Lobby Aftershocks


    –

    Steve Hsu is Professor of Theoretical Physics and of Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University. Previously, he was Senior Vice President for Research and Innovation at MSU and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Science at the University of Oregon. Hsu is a startup founder (SuperFocus.ai, SafeWeb, Genomic Prediction, Othram) and advisor to venture capital and other investment firms. He was educated at Caltech and Berkeley, was a Harvard Junior Fellow, and has held faculty positions at Yale, the University of Oregon, and MSU. Please send any questions or suggestions to manifold1podcast@gmail.com or Steve on X @hsu_steve.



    Announcing this for some friends at Mechanize - a startup that builds environments for training and evaluating frontier LLMs. Its customers include the top AI labs, and it has contributed to the breakthrough in coding capabilities of frontier models.


    Mechanize is hiring!

    https://mechanize.work/b/hsu


    Compensation is extremely competitive. For technical roles, $300-500k. They are also seeking smart generalists.


    For example:


    Research Engineer, Alignment: Build evals that test for misaligned model behaviors $500K salary


    Puzzle Maker: Design interesting and original puzzles that LLMs can’t yet solve $300K salary


    Mechanize understands that my readership is highly selected. There is a VERY GOOD CHANCE you will be interviewed if you apply via the link above.

    Dreamers and Doomers: Our AI future, with Richard Ngo – #109 Apr 09, 2026
    Show notes

    Richard Ngo is an independent AI researcher and philosopher known for

    his work on AGI safety and alignment. He recently resigned from

    OpenAI, where he was a member of the Governance team focused on

    forecasting the capabilities and risks of advanced AI systems. His

    debut fiction collection is titled "The Gentle Romance: Stories of AI

    and Humanity", published in December 2025. The book features 22

    science fiction stories that explore the psychological and

    sociological impacts of advanced artificial intelligence.


    On X: @RichardMCNgo


    • (00:00) - Richard Ngo Origins
    • (03:48) - DeepMind vs LLMs
    • (09:24) - OpenAI Futurist and AGI Risk
    • (39:17) - Machine God Tail Risk
    • (45:20) - Weird Futures and Normies
    • (51:28) - Alignment Research and Academia
    • (01:16:25) - Doomers vs Skeptics
    • (01:23:57) - Labs Governance Futures
    • (01:39:37) - Doom Scenarios Society


    –

    Steve Hsu is Professor of Theoretical Physics and of Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University. Previously, he was Senior Vice President for Research and Innovation at MSU and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Science at the University of Oregon. Hsu is a startup founder (SuperFocus.ai, SafeWeb, Genomic Prediction, Othram) and advisor to venture capital and other investment firms. He was educated at Caltech and Berkeley, was a Harvard Junior Fellow, and has held faculty positions at Yale, the University of Oregon, and MSU. Please send any questions or suggestions to manifold1podcast@gmail.com or Steve on X @hsu_steve.



    Announcing this for some friends at Mechanize - a startup that builds environments for training and evaluating frontier LLMs. Its customers include the top AI labs, and it has contributed to the breakthrough in coding capabilities of frontier models.


    Mechanize is hiring!

    https://mechanize.work/b/hsu


    Compensation is extremely competitive. For technical roles, $300-500k. They are also seeking smart generalists.


    For example:


    Research Engineer, Alignment: Build evals that test for misaligned model behaviors $500K salary


    Puzzle Maker: Design interesting and original puzzles that LLMs can’t yet solve $300K salary


    Mechanize understands that my readership is highly selected. There is a VERY GOOD CHANCE you will be interviewed if you apply via the link above.

    China, Acceleration, and Nick Land - with Matt Southey – #108 Mar 26, 2026
    Show notes

    Matt Southey is an editor for an AI safety organization. He wrote his PhD dissertation on the philosophy of Nick Land. Matt's "A Brief History of Accelerationism" can be found here, and he recommends the second chapter of Crypto-Current as a good introduction to Land's usage of Kant. He and Steve discuss Accelerationism, AI, and Steve's recent meeting with Land in Shanghai.


    Chapter Markers:

    • (00:00) - Introduction
    • (02:07) - China Trip: Shenzhen, Beijing, Shanghai
    • (03:16) - Tsinghua University: Talent
    • (09:02) - Robotics and AI research
    • (24:01) - Shanghai and Nick Land
    • (35:46) - Land’s Esotericism
    • (37:19) - Accelerationism and Orthogonality
    • (43:01) - Simulation Metaphysics and Physics
    • (54:36) - Dark Enlightenment and Inevitable Complexity


    –

    Steve Hsu is Professor of Theoretical Physics and of Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University. Previously, he was Senior Vice President for Research and Innovation at MSU and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Science at the University of Oregon. Hsu is a startup founder (SuperFocus.ai, SafeWeb, Genomic Prediction, Othram) and advisor to venture capital and other investment firms. He was educated at Caltech and Berkeley, was a Harvard Junior Fellow, and has held faculty positions at Yale, the University of Oregon, and MSU. Please send any questions or suggestions to manifold1podcast@gmail.com or Steve on X @hsu_steve.


    Announcing this for some friends at Mechanize - a startup that builds environments for training and evaluating frontier LLMs. Its customers include the top AI labs, and it has contributed to the breakthrough in coding capabilities of frontier models.


    Mechanize is hiring!

    https://mechanize.work/b/hsu


    Compensation is extremely competitive. For technical roles, $300-500k. They are also seeking smart generalists.


    For example:


    Research Engineer, Alignment: Build evals that test for misaligned model behaviors $500K salary


    Puzzle Maker: Design interesting and original puzzles that LLMs can’t yet solve $300K salary


    Mechanize understands that my readership is highly selected. There is a VERY GOOD CHANCE you will be interviewed if you apply via the link above.

    Shenzhen is the Technology Capital of the World, with Taylor Ogan – #107 Mar 12, 2026
    Show notes

    Recorded live in Shenzhen with Taylor Ogan, the founder and CEO of

    Snowbull Capital, which invests in Chinese technology companies.

    Taylor on X:

    https://x.com/TaylorOgan

    Previous episodes with Taylor:

    https://youtu.be/iehHON07UHI?si=h2c3po5AX9Z9ANaK

    https://youtu.be/fmjR3me5s_Q?si=sPsMFOdKebEOZXQr


    • (00:00) - Shenzhen is the Technology Capital of the World, with Taylor Ogan
    • (00:53) - Meeting in Shenzhen
    • (02:40) - Greater Bay Area Explained
    • (06:36) - Shenzhen Boom Stories
    • (18:26) - China Tech Reality Check
    • (36:49) - China Tech Leapfrogging
    • (37:52) - Agentic AI on Phones
    • (41:27) - Jobs Wealth and Governance
    • (53:03) - Huawei Ownership and US Pushback

    –

    Steve Hsu is Professor of Theoretical Physics and of Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University. Previously, he was Senior Vice President for Research and Innovation at MSU and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Science at the University of Oregon. Hsu is a startup founder (SuperFocus.ai, SafeWeb, Genomic Prediction, Othram) and advisor to venture capital and other investment firms. He was educated at Caltech and Berkeley, was a Harvard Junior Fellow, and has held faculty positions at Yale, the University of Oregon, and MSU. Please send any questions or suggestions to manifold1podcast@gmail.com or Steve on X @hsu_steve.




    Announcing this for some friends at Mechanize - a startup that builds environments for training and evaluating frontier LLMs. Its customers include the top AI labs, and it has contributed to the breakthrough in coding capabilities of frontier models.


    Mechanize is hiring!

    https://mechanize.work/b/hsu


    Compensation is extremely competitive. For technical roles, $300-500k. They are also seeking smart generalists.


    For example:


    Research Engineer, Alignment: Build evals that test for misaligned model behaviors $500K salary


    Puzzle Maker: Design interesting and original puzzles that LLMs can’t yet solve $300K salary


    Mechanize understands that my readership is highly selected. There is a VERY GOOD CHANCE you will be interviewed if you apply via the link above.

    AI DOOM: Jesse Hoogland of Timaeus Feb 26, 2026
    Show notes

    This is the second episode of our series based on interviews for the documentary film, Dreamers and Doomers, about the SF Bay Area in the last days before AGI.


    Steve interviews Jesse Hoogland, co-founder and executive director of Timaeus, an AI safety research org working on applications of Singular Learning Theory (SLT) for AI safety. SLT establishes a connection between the geometry of the loss landscape and internal structure in models. This connection is used to develop scalable, rigorous tools for evaluating, interpreting, and aligning neural networks. Jesse is one of the leading young minds in the new generation of AI safety researchers.

    https://www.jessehoogland.com/


    • (00:00) - Jesse interview at FAR Labs, Berkeley
    • (00:54) - Introduction
    • (01:50) - From Physics to AI Safety
    • (08:36) - AI Is Dangerous
    • (26:08) - Funding, P(Doom), and Futures
    • (56:21) - Trauma and Safety Vibes
    • (01:00:39) - Asymptotic Guarantees Debate
    • (01:03:54) - Mapping the Safety Tribes
    • (01:26:09) - Timelines, AI Pause, and Failure Modes


    –

    Steve Hsu is Professor of Theoretical Physics and of Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University. Previously, he was Senior Vice President for Research and Innovation at MSU and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Science at the University of Oregon. Hsu is a startup founder (SuperFocus.ai, SafeWeb, Genomic Prediction, Othram) and advisor to venture capital and other investment firms. He was educated at Caltech and Berkeley, was a Harvard Junior Fellow, and has held faculty positions at Yale, the University of Oregon, and MSU. Please send any questions or suggestions to manifold1podcast@gmail.com or Steve on X @hsu_steve.



    Announcing this for some friends at Mechanize - a startup that builds environments for training and evaluating frontier LLMs. Its customers include the top AI labs, and it has contributed to the breakthrough in coding capabilities of frontier models.


    Mechanize is hiring!

    https://mechanize.work/b/hsu


    Compensation is extremely competitive. For technical roles, $300-500k. They are also seeking smart generalists.


    For example:


    Research Engineer, Alignment: Build evals that test for misaligned model behaviors $500K salary


    Puzzle Maker: Design interesting and original puzzles that LLMs can’t yet solve $300K salary


    Mechanize understands that my readership is highly selected. There is a VERY GOOD CHANCE you will be interviewed if you apply via the link above.

    Dreamers and Doomers: Jeremy Nixon at AGI House – #105 Feb 12, 2026
    Show notes

    Jeremy Nixon is a prominent AI researcher, entrepreneur, and the co-founder of AGI House, a leading "hacker house" community for artificial intelligence developers in Silicon Valley. He studied Applied Math, Computer Science, and Economics at Harvard and was previously a researcher at Google Brain.


    This footage was shot for a documentary project, "Dreamers and Doomers," about the SF Bay Area and the dawn of AGI.

    • (00:00) - Dreamers and Doomers: Jeremy Nixon at AGI House – #105
    • (01:47) - Introduction and Welcome
    • (05:56) - Jeremy Nixon's biography
    • (08:48) - AGI House and collectives
    • (43:59) - AI and Scientific Research
    • (45:52) - Existential Risks and Doom
    • (54:14) - AI and Human Progress
    • (01:26:42) - Job Automation and Society
    • (01:31:35) - Future of AI and Technology


    –

    Steve Hsu is Professor of Theoretical Physics and of Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University. Previously, he was Senior Vice President for Research and Innovation at MSU and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Science at the University of Oregon. Hsu is a startup founder (SuperFocus.ai, SafeWeb, Genomic Prediction, Othram) and advisor to venture capital and other investment firms. He was educated at Caltech and Berkeley, was a Harvard Junior Fellow, and has held faculty positions at Yale, the University of Oregon, and MSU. Please send any questions or suggestions to manifold1podcast@gmail.com or Steve on X @hsu_steve.



    Announcing this for some friends at Mechanize - a startup that builds environments for training and evaluating frontier LLMs. Its customers include the top AI labs, and it has contributed to the breakthrough in coding capabilities of frontier models.


    Mechanize is hiring!

    https://mechanize.work/b/hsu


    Compensation is extremely competitive. For technical roles, $300-500k. They are also seeking smart generalists.


    For example:


    Research Engineer, Alignment: Build evals that test for misaligned model behaviors $500K salary


    Puzzle Maker: Design interesting and original puzzles that LLMs can’t yet solve $300K salary


    Mechanize understands that my readership is highly selected. There is a VERY GOOD CHANCE you will be interviewed if you apply via the link above.

    Industrial Maximalism and Its Discontents: Dan Wang on US-China Competition – # 104 Jan 29, 2026
    Show notes

    Links:

    Breakneck: China's Quest to Engineer the Future

    https://www.amazon.com/Breakneck-Chinas-Quest-Engineer-Future/dp/1324106034


    Dan's 2025 annual letter

    https://danwang.co/2025-letter/

    Related episodes:

    Jian Lian on Industrial Maximalism, Manifold Episode #99

    https://www.manifold1.com/episodes/jian-lian-on-chinas-industrial-policy-and-global-strategy-99


    • (00:00) - Introduction and Welcome
    • (02:14) - Breakneck - Dan's huge book
    • (05:00) - China's Technological and Political Landscape
    • (21:07) - Industrial Maximalism and its Discontents
    • (47:59) - Chinese Researchers in Silicon Valley and Tsinghua
    • (51:09) - Excerpts from Dan's 2025 annual letter
    • (52:56) - China's Market Competition and Innovation
    • (56:34) - AI, Automation, and Future Risks


    –

    Steve Hsu is Professor of Theoretical Physics and of Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University. Previously, he was Senior Vice President for Research and Innovation at MSU and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Science at the University of Oregon. Hsu is a startup founder (SuperFocus.ai, SafeWeb, Genomic Prediction, Othram) and advisor to venture capital and other investment firms. He was educated at Caltech and Berkeley, was a Harvard Junior Fellow, and has held faculty positions at Yale, the University of Oregon, and MSU. Please send any questions or suggestions to manifold1podcast@gmail.com or Steve on X @hsu_steve.



    Announcing this for some friends at Mechanize - a startup that builds environments for training and evaluating frontier LLMs. Its customers include the top AI labs, and it has contributed to the breakthrough in coding capabilities of frontier models.


    Mechanize is hiring!

    https://mechanize.work/b/hsu


    Compensation is extremely competitive. For technical roles, $300-500k. They are also seeking smart generalists.


    For example:


    Research Engineer, Alignment: Build evals that test for misaligned model behaviors $500K salary


    Puzzle Maker: Design interesting and original puzzles that LLMs can’t yet solve $300K salary


    Mechanize understands that my readership is highly selected. There is a VERY GOOD CHANCE you will be interviewed if you apply via the link above.

    Geopolitics 2026, crossover with Seeking Truth From Facts podcast – #103 Jan 15, 2026
    Show notes

    Steve and Alf discuss geopolitical events of 2025 and what they expect in 2026.


    Links:

    Manifold episode with Han Feizi, Letter From Beijing

    https://www.manifold1.com/episodes/letter-from-beijing-with-han-feizi-72


    Previous crossover episodes:


    Weeks Where Decades Happen

    https://www.manifold1.com/episodes/seeking-truth-from-facts-weeks-where-decades-happen


    AI, China, Tariffs, Geopolitics

    https://www.manifold1.com/episodes/seeking-truth-from-facts-ai-china-tariffs-geopolitics-84


    • (00:00) - Geopolitics 2026, crossover with Seeking Truth From Facts podcast – #103
    • (02:10) - US-China Economic Tensions
    • (05:45) - Technology and Strategic Shifts
    • (08:48) - Trump's Geopolitical Strategy
    • (17:43) - Middle East Developments
    • (28:41) - US-China Competition and Taiwan
    • (33:44) - Venezuela and International Law


    –

    Steve Hsu is Professor of Theoretical Physics and of Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University. Previously, he was Senior Vice President for Research and Innovation at MSU and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Science at the University of Oregon. Hsu is a startup founder (SuperFocus.ai, SafeWeb, Genomic Prediction, Othram) and advisor to venture capital and other investment firms. He was educated at Caltech and Berkeley, was a Harvard Junior Fellow, and has held faculty positions at Yale, the University of Oregon, and MSU. Please send any questions or suggestions to manifold1podcast@gmail.com or Steve on X @hsu_steve.



    Announcing this for some friends at Mechanize - a startup that builds environments for training and evaluating frontier LLMs. Its customers include the top AI labs, and it has contributed to the breakthrough in coding capabilities of frontier models.


    Mechanize is hiring!

    https://mechanize.work/b/hsu


    Compensation is extremely competitive. For technical roles, $300-500k. They are also seeking smart generalists.


    For example:


    Research Engineer, Alignment: Build evals that test for misaligned model behaviors $500K salary


    Puzzle Maker: Design interesting and original puzzles that LLMs can’t yet solve $300K salary


    Mechanize understands that my readership is highly selected. There is a VERY GOOD CHANCE you will be interviewed if you apply via the link above.

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