Mamamia Out Loud

Australia’s #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It’s your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It’s conversation at its most addictive.

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The Viral 'Friendship Shed' Theory Dec 04, 2025

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Should you 'shed' friends every seven years? We hear out the expert who says yes. She also knows why you feel like you have no mates, and has some advice for how to attract some new ones. And no, Jessie, Em and Holly don't all like it.

Also, the new micro-compatibility test for prospective partners. Lead question: How long before a flight do you like to get to the airport?

Plus, all our recommendations. One of which is for the stellar Out Loud gift guide, coming into your inbox from the Holly Out Loud newsletter tomorrow — but only if you're subscribed:

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Recommendations

Em recommendsthe Skoop Anti Chafe Balm that she swears by.

Jessie recommends The Names by Florence Knapp.

Holly recommends A Very Outloud Gift Guide, the ultimate one-stop shop on the Holly Out Loud Substack. This gift guide releases Saturday morning.

What To Listen To Next:

Listen to our latest episode: The 6 Different Types Of People Pleasers
Listen: The Thing You Can’t Say About Having Kids
Listen: The Good Guest's Guide To Wedding Etiquette
Listen: The Woman Who 'Caused' Family Estrangement
Listen: All The Things We Didn’t Need To Know About The Sex Scandal Of The Year
Listen: So, Are You Rude With Money?
Listen: The Women Quietly Quitting Their Husbands & Your High School Ghost
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CREDITS:

Hosts: Emily Vernem, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

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The Thing You Can’t Say About Having Kids Dec 03, 2025

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Can you change a child's birthday because it's a bit... inconvenient for you? Content creator Indy Clinton wants us to believe she's doing just that with her "Christmas baby" and Sagittarians everywhere have thoughts.

Plus, Sienna Miller is pregnant and in a negligee on the British Fashion Awards this week. At 43, Holly wants to know, is this the quintessential representation of the new era of agelessness?

Also, Pilates is dead, strength training is on its way out and a mobility obsession is on its way in - but, Amelia asks, is scolding people with the "correct" exercise trends really the way to make women move?

And an essay about motherhood ambivalence has Jessie pufferfishing. So, if you're not sure if you want kids, should you do it?

REFERENCES, friends:
If You're On The Fence About Having Kids, Don't Do It - By Zoya Patel.
Dr Stacey Sims being interviewed by Holly on MID.

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What To Listen To Next:

Listen to our latest episode: The Good Guest's Guide To Wedding Etiquette
Listen: The Woman Who 'Caused' Family Estrangement
Listen: All The Things We Didn’t Need To Know About The Sex Scandal Of The Year
Listen: So, Are You Rude With Money?
Listen: The Women Quietly Quitting Their Husbands & Your High School Ghost
Listen: The 5 Days You Should Schedule Every Month
Listen: The Most Telling Detail In That Meghan Sussex Profile
Listen: ‘I Was An Ugly Child’ & The 5-Second Underthinking Rule
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Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

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The Contagion of Family Estrangement & The TikTok Dad Double Standard Dec 01, 2025

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Beer cans with the bride and groom's faces on them, a dress that just HAD to be Aussie, and a dog in a dress... Yes, we're talking about Albo's wedding, and the problem with marrying the Prime Minister.

Also, what does the winner of the TikTok Awards — a dad of four who posts pranks and skits with his kids online — tell us about the different standards for the way men and woman 'sharent'?

And everyone's talking about an Oprah Winfrey show episode, which is extremely 2011, about family estrangement, and the 'contagion' of going 'No Contact' with your family. Only problem is... Are all these boundaries kind of Oprah's fault?

Plus, why Robert Irwin has achieved world domination by being... nice.

Holly, Amelia and Jessie get into it. AND into some Mamamia merch. For the first time ever, MMOL T-shirts and tote bags are discounted! Get the T-shirt for $50 and the tote bag for $20. Sale ends Dec 6. Shop now. 🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉

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What To Listen To Next:

Listen to our latest episode: All The Things We Didn’t Need To Know About The Sex Scandal Of The Year
Listen: So, Are You Rude With Money?
Listen: The Women Quietly Quitting Their Husbands & Your High School Ghost
Listen: The 5 Days You Should Schedule Every Month
Listen: The Most Telling Detail In That Meghan Sussex Profile
Listen: ‘I Was An Ugly Child’ & The 5-Second Underthinking Rule
Listen: Everything That Shouldn't Be Embarrassing But Absolutely Is
Listen: So That's The Reason I Feel Bad About… My Eyelids?
Listen: Big Brother Australia, The Golden Bachelor & The TV ‘Algorithm Theory’
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Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

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Summer Book Club: All Fours - Miranda July Nov 29, 2025

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It’s hot and everyone’s slightly unhinged, so what better time to kick off the Mamamia Out Loud Summer Book Club than with the only novel bold enough to ask: What if you left your family for a road trip and reinvented yourself... in a motel off the freeway?

In the first of our Summer Book Club episodes, Em, Jessie and Holly dive into Miranda July’s All Fours, a book that is part midlife crisis, part erotic fever dream and part existential stand-up comedy routine.

Em, Jessie and Holly discuss female desire, boredom, creativity and how it’s somehow both deeply relatable and utterly chaotic to want to start afresh on a whim.

If you’ve ever:

Sat in your car for an five extra minutes just to avoid your family
Fantasised about a new life in a different country
Or simply wondered, 'What if?'

Then yes, this episode of Summer Book Club is for you.
Summer Book Club Episode 2 drops December 28 when we'll be discussing the Great Big Beautiful Life by Emily Henry.

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What To Listen To Next:

Listen to our latest episode: All The Things We Didn’t Need To Know About The Sex Scandal Of The Year
Listen: Summer Book Club: Melaleuca — Angie Faye Martin
Listen: Summer Book Club: Great Big Beautiful Life - Emily Henry
Listen: So, Are You Rude With Money?
Listen: The Women Quietly Quitting Their Husbands & Your High School Ghost
Listen: The 5 Days You Should Schedule Every Month
Listen: The Most Telling Detail In That Meghan Sussex Profile
Listen: ‘I Was An Ugly Child’ & The 5-Second Underthinking Rule
Listen to MID with Monique van Tulder: The Gap Year That Saved A Marriage
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All The Things We Didn’t Need To Know About The Sex Scandal Of The Year Nov 27, 2025

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So. Everyone says your fiancée cheated on you with a big-wig politician (or two). After you break up, you're sitting on a whole lot of juicy, icky, sexy detail from messages and emails that you KNOW the world is going to be into. Do you release them? Well, of course you do. And welcome to the sex scandal that's consuming America right now - the Olivia Nuzzi affair. So, do YOU want to hear all about it?

Also, what do real-life witches think of Wicked, For Good?

And, women have never been hornier. At least, that's what our obsession with internet boyfriends, smutty books and libido-boosting supplements tells us. So Em, Holly and Jessie discuss: Is it power, or pressure?

Plus, recommendations and Em's F1 obsession.

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Recommendations

Em recommendsgetting up at 3am on Monday to watch the QATAR F1 Race on Foxtel or Kayo.

Jessie recommends A Battle with My Blood by Tatiana Schlossberg about her terminal cancer diagnosis. And the Brushology Premium Boar Bristle Hairbrush.

Holly recommends The Mushroom Tapes: Conversations on a triple murder trial, a book by Helen Garner, Chloe Hooper and Sarah Krasnostein

What To Listen To Next:

Listen to our latest episode: So, Are You Rude With Money?
Listen: The Women Quietly Quitting Their Husbands & Your High School Ghost
Listen: The 5 Days You Should Schedule Every Month
Listen: The Most Telling Detail In That Meghan Sussex Profile
Listen: ‘I Was An Ugly Child’ & The 5-Second Underthinking Rule
Listen: Everything That Shouldn't Be Embarrassing But Absolutely Is
Listen: So That's The Reason I Feel Bad About… My Eyelids?
Listen: Big Brother Australia, The Golden Bachelor & The TV ‘Algorithm Theory’
Listen to MID with Monique van Tulder: The Gap Year That Saved A Marriage
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CREDITS:

Hosts: Emily Vernem, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

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The Women Quietly Quitting Their Husbands & Your High School Ghost Nov 26, 2025

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Would you partner notice if you 'quiet quit' your relationship? You know, quietly moving into separate bedrooms, watching all your own shows in different rooms of the house at night, never socialising together, taking separate holidays... Plenty of people are doing it, and probably always have. So, is it always a bad thing? And is it possible to un-quit?
Also, Ariana Grande, Cynthia Erivo and the world's most-irritating press tour. Yes, Wicked For Good is out and you will not have missed the two stars coo-ing over each other on global red carpets. Are they the world's greatest girlfriends, or are they playing us? And when did press tours become performance art?
And... what are high school reunions for? It's long been predicted that social-media-stalking has killed the reunion, but Amelia just went to her 25th and she had a revelation.

Plus, Jessie, Amelia and Holly share the 'plate' they take to BYO social events, and what "some cheese in a plastic bag" says about you.

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What To Listen To Next:

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Listen: The Most Telling Detail In That Meghan Sussex Profile
Listen: ‘I Was An Ugly Child’ & The 5-Second Underthinking Rule
Listen: Everything That Shouldn't Be Embarrassing But Absolutely Is
Listen: So That's The Reason I Feel Bad About… My Eyelids?
Listen: Big Brother Australia, The Golden Bachelor & The TV ‘Algorithm Theory’
Listen: Get My Boss Out Of My Bed & The Last Relationship Taboo
Listen: Squirting, Dawn Culture & The Most Motivating Word
Listen to MID with Monique van Tulder: The Gap Year That Saved A Marriage
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The Most Telling Detail In That Meghan Sussex Profile Nov 24, 2025

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So, the man who invented "vibe shifts" has announced another one. We're all living through it and it's why you're doing way more lurking and way less posting these days.

And, a new profile of Meghan Duchess (or Duchess Meghan, if you insist) has attracted a whole lot of attention for a very specific social moment. But can the woman just do no right?

Also, leggings are over but are we really exercising in wide-leg pants now? And where does that leave the camel toe? Asking for a friend (Jessie).
Plus, Holly, Jessie and Amelia on the new pregnancy test that might just put an end to weeing-on-a-stick, what to wear on planes and what has Jessie got against tote bags?

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What To Listen To Next:

Listen to our latest episode: ‘I Was An Ugly Child’ & The 5-Second Underthinking Rule
Listen: Everything That Shouldn't Be Embarrassing But Absolutely Is
Listen: So That's The Reason I Feel Bad About… My Eyelids?
Listen: Big Brother Australia, The Golden Bachelor & The TV ‘Algorithm Theory’
Listen: Get My Boss Out Of My Bed & The Last Relationship Taboo
Listen: Squirting, Dawn Culture & The Most Motivating Word
Listen: Letters To Juliet & 'The One' Question Everyone Is Asking
Listen: The 'Australia Effect' & Meghan and Harry's Curious Party Edit
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Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

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‘I Was An Ugly Child’ & The 5-Second Underthinking Rule Nov 20, 2025

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She's had her childhood photo used in an "ugly" meme that's all over the Internet. So why isn't host Clare Stephens upset about this dissing of her younger self?

Also: "You called me, you speak first". Does Gen Z really answer the phone with... nothing?

And, just literally do things. That's the message here to challenge the recent cultural domination of the 'overthinking introvert'. In all kinds of areas of your life, is it always better to underthink, jump fast and have a bias to action, like our self-help overlord Mel Robbins? And why is it easier for some people than others?

Plus, Holly's midlife tattoo. Crisis or confidence? And why LinkedIn is cutting Tinder's grass on the matchmaking front.

All this unpacked and shaken upside down by Clare, Emily Vernem and Holly Wainwright on today's Mamamia Out Loud.

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Recommendations

Em recommends Pluribus on Apple TV.

Clare recommends All Her Fault on Binge.

Holly recommends the Embryolisse Lait Creme Concentre the 24hour Miracle Cream 75ml.

What To Listen To Next:

Listen to our latest episode: Everything That Shouldn't Be Embarrassing But Absolutely Is
Listen: So That's The Reason I Feel Bad About… My Eyelids?
Listen: Big Brother Australia, The Golden Bachelor & The TV ‘Algorithm Theory’
Listen: Get My Boss Out Of My Bed & The Last Relationship Taboo
Listen: Squirting, Dawn Culture & The Most Motivating Word
Listen: Letters To Juliet & 'The One' Question Everyone Is Asking
Listen: The 'Australia Effect' & Meghan and Harry's Curious Party Edit
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Emily Vernem, Clare Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

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So That's The Reason I Feel Bad About… My Eyelids? Nov 19, 2025

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Outlouders, is it true? Have Millennials officially killed the affair? And, are they actually more conservative than Gen X or are they just reimagining a more modern picture of what marriage looks like? Amelia and Jessie present a Millennial defence.

Plus, apparently eyelids are... over. So, what other silly things are people saying about women’s faces this week? We unpack the anti-cosmetic surgery essay every woman should read.

And, there's a state funeral going on today that made us wonder — what makes someone qualify for one and should taxpayers be footing the bill?

Also, we have a new skincare trend that's not for the faint of heart and we surprise Jessie for her 10-year work anniversary with Mamamia. And yes, Mia does invade the studio again with a little treat to celebrate. Happy anniversary, Jessie!

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Plus, Outlouders, we're casting for Season 2 of Mamamia's This Is Why We Fight podcast and we'd love to hear your stories. Apply here.

What To Listen To Next:

Listen to our latest episode: Big Brother Australia, The Golden Bachelor & The TV ‘Algorithm Theory’
Listen: Get My Boss Out Of My Bed & The Last Relationship Taboo
Listen: Squirting, Dawn Culture & The Most Motivating Word
Listen: Letters To Juliet & 'The One' Question Everyone Is Asking
Listen: The 'Australia Effect' & Meghan and Harry's Curious Party Edit
Listen: A Very Bad Decision & An Imploding Friendship Group
Listen: Kim Kardashian's Zero-Star Strategy
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

Watch Mamamia Out Loud:

Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube

What to read:

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The New Reason You Might Be Fired Nov 17, 2025

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Does having an affair make you a bad employee? Asking for a friend. Meet the CEO who fired two employees when she found out they were cheating on their spouses. She says if you can't be trusted at home, you can't be trusted at work. Is she right?

Plus, everyone's talking about the Epstein/Trump emails again and we want Amelia to answer the question: What's all this about Bill Clinton, or maybe a horse?

And, it's only a matter of time before one of your friends starts gushing to you about their new love interest and you find out... they're not human. Please step into the world of AI 'companions', where Clare Stephens is worried that we'll lose sight of our humanity and Holly's wondering if they could take a load off.

Also, what time do you have dinner? And, what Justin Trudeau's ex has to say (and sing) about his new relationship with Katy Perry.

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Amelia Lester, Clare Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

What To Listen To Next:

Listen to our latest episode: Squirting, Dawn Culture & The Most Motivating Word
Listen: Letters To Juliet & 'The One' Question Everyone Is Asking
Listen: The 'Australia Effect' & Meghan and Harry's Curious Party Edit
Listen: A Very Bad Decision & An Imploding Friendship Group
Listen: Kim Kardashian's Zero-Star Strategy
Listen: The Great Influencer Exodus & The Sex We Never Talk About
Listen: Every Single Thing We Have In Our Handbags
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

Watch Mamamia Out Loud:

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Outlouders, we're casting for Season 2 of Mamamia's This Is Why We Fight podcast and we'd love to hear your stories. Apply here.

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