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    Business

    Main Street Business

    The Main Street Business Podcast, hosted by attorneys Mat Sorensen and Mark J. Kohler, is the go-to resource for entrepreneurs, investors, and business owners who want to build, protect, and manage their wealth. Each episode explores real-world scenarios and offers practical advice on business structuring, tax planning, side hustles, real estate, self-directed retirement accounts, and more.

    With decades of combined legal and tax experience Mark and Mat make complex financial topics understandable through charismatic discussions and practical education. Their goal is to empower listeners to make smarter legal and financial decisions by turning advanced concepts into clear, actionable strategies for LLCs, corporations, estate planning, tax reduction, raising capital, asset protection, and retirement planning. 

    Mark J. Kohler is a CPA, attorney, best-selling author of six books, and a nationally recognized authority on small business tax and legal strategies. Mark serves as a Senior Partner at KKOS Lawyers and Board Member at Directed IRA Trust Company, which manages over $3 billion in assets. As the founder of the Main Street Certified Tax Advisor Program, Mark has trained thousands of CPAs and Enrolled Agents nationwide, helping millions of small business owners better navigate tax and legal strategies. Mark also co-hosts The Main Street Business Podcast along with Mat Sorensen.

    Mat Sorensen is an attorney, best-selling author of The Self-Directed IRA Handbook, and CEO of Directed IRA & Directed Trust Company, a leading self-directed IRA custodian with nearly $3 billion under administration. He is a national expert on self-directed retirement strategies and a Senior Partner at KKOS Lawyers. Mat also co-hosts The Main Street Business Podcast along with Mark J. Kohler. 

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    Latest Episodes:
    #638 What is a Backdoor Roth and How do you fund it Sep 30, 2026
    Show notes

    Does your situation require a backdoor roth? KKOS Lawyers can help you evaluate the tax and legal strategy behind your retirement plan, while Directed IRA can help you establish and manage the self directed retirement accounts needed to execute it.

    Talk with KKOS Lawyers: Book a Free Client Advisor Call
    Learn more about Self Directed IRAs with Directed IRA: Book a Free Client Account Call

    Ready to Take the Next Step?

    Work With Mat & Mark’s Law Firm
    Get strategic legal guidance for your business, taxes, asset protection, and estate planning with KKOS Lawyers.
    [Book a Call with KKOS Lawyers]

    Take Control of Your Retirement
    Want to invest your IRA or 401(k) in assets you actually understand? Check out our self-directed trust company Directed IRA.
    [Learn More About Directed IRA]

    Free Resources

    Mat Sorensen’s Optimal Order of Investing Guide
    Learn how to prioritize where your money should go and build a smarter investing strategy.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Mark J. Kohler’s 30-Point Tax Guide
    Discover practical tax strategies and planning opportunities every business owner and investor should know.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Get More From Mat & Mark

    Watch on YouTube
    Tax strategies, business planning, investing, asset protection, and more.
    [Visit the YouTube Channel...


    #639 Should You Put Your Spouse On Payroll Sep 28, 2026
    Show notes

    Set up a Free 15-Minute Client Advisor Call and get booked at my law firm KKOS Lawyers. With a Comprehensive Tax and Business Consult my attorneys can help you have a tactical plan to put your spouse on payroll when the time is right and get your business, assets and trust in order.
    Mark breaks down when paying your spouse from the business creates real tax savings and when it just adds payroll taxes and paperwork. We walk through the classification rules, the S corporation math, and the two scenarios where spousal pay can unlock powerful benefits for your family.

    • deciding whether a spouse is a co-owner, employee, board member, or subcontractor
    • understanding material participation and when wages are required
    • avoiding payroll done only to “manufacture” a deduction
    • why paying for Social Security credits is usually a bad move
    • using S corp W-2 wages to manage FICA and keep compensation reasonable
    • adding a spouse to payroll to increase 401k and Roth 401k contributions
    • using a spouse support-company setup and an HRA to deduct family medical expenses
    • doing the math before adding complexity, filings, and payroll cost

    Ready to Take the Next Step?

    Work With Mat & Mark’s Law Firm
    Get strategic legal guidance for your business, taxes, asset protection, and estate planning with KKOS Lawyers.
    [Book a Call with KKOS Lawyers]

    Take Control of Your Retirement
    Want to invest your IRA or 401(k) in assets you actually understand? Check out our self-directed trust company Directed IRA.
    [Learn More About Directed IRA]

    Free Resources

    Mat Sorensen’s Optimal Order of Investing Guide
    Learn how to prioritize where your money should go and build a smarter investing strategy.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Mark J. Kohler’s 30-Point Tax Guide
    Discover practical tax strategies and planning opportunities every business owner and investor should know.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Get More From Mat & Mark

    Watch on YouTube
    Tax strategies, business planning, investing, asset protection, and more.
    [Visit the YouTube Channel...


    #637 Roth Conversions: How much to convert Sep 18, 2026
    Show notes

    Ready to put your Roth conversion strategy into action? KKOS Lawyers can help you evaluate the tax and legal strategy behind your retirement plan, while Directed IRA can help you establish and manage the self directed retirement accounts needed to execute it.

    Talk with KKOS Lawyers: Book a Free Client Advisor Call
    Learn more about Self Directed IRAs with Directed IRA: Book a Free Client Account Call

    Ready to Take the Next Step?

    Work With Mat & Mark’s Law Firm
    Get strategic legal guidance for your business, taxes, asset protection, and estate planning with KKOS Lawyers.
    [Book a Call with KKOS Lawyers]

    Take Control of Your Retirement
    Want to invest your IRA or 401(k) in assets you actually understand? Check out our self-directed trust company Directed IRA.
    [Learn More About Directed IRA]

    Free Resources

    Mat Sorensen’s Optimal Order of Investing Guide
    Learn how to prioritize where your money should go and build a smarter investing strategy.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Mark J. Kohler’s 30-Point Tax Guide
    Discover practical tax strategies and planning opportunities every business owner and investor should know.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Get More From Mat & Mark

    Watch on YouTube
    Tax strategies, business planning, investing, asset protection, and more.
    [Visit the YouTube Channel...


    #636 Building Wealth Through Alternative Assets with Yvette Spillman Sep 14, 2026
    Show notes

    Ready to make sure your tax, business, and wealth-building strategies are actually working together? Schedule a Comprehensive Tax and Business Consult with a KKOS attorney to review your current structure - Book a Call Here..

    On this special episode of the Main Street Business Podcast, host Mat Sorensen sits down with Yvette Spillman, advisor, entrepreneur, and Founder & CEO of National Retirement Institute (NRI), to discuss how business owners and investors can think beyond traditional stock market investing when building and protecting wealth.

    Yvette shares her approach to working with clients who are heavily concentrated in traditional investments and want to explore alternative assets, tax strategies, and self-directed retirement accounts. The conversation covers how to evaluate different assets based on your personal goals, whether you're focused on growth, income, retirement, or a combination of all three.

    They also discuss:

    • Why many investors may be less diversified than they think
    • How self-directed IRAs can provide access to alternative investments
    • Using real estate, oil and gas, and other tangible assets as part of a broader wealth strategy
    • The difference between investing for growth versus creating an income stream
    • How business owners and entrepreneurs can be particularly well suited for self-directed investing
    • Tax planning strategies involving real estate, oil and gas, Solo 401(k)s, and proper entity structuring
    • A real-world case study of a business owner who was paying significant taxes and restructured his investments and retirement strategy
    • The importance of understanding a client's goals before recommending investments

    This episode is a practical conversation about looking beyond the traditional investment playbook and building a wealth strategy around your individual goals, risk, income needs, and tax situation.

    Yvette invites listeners to attend the Sonic Boom Summit in Temecula, California, taking place September 28–30. The three-day event features education for business owners and investors, with Mat Sorensen and Mark J. Koehler among the featured educators, along with other experts in the tax, business, and wealth-building space.

    Learn more at SonicBoomSummit.com.

    Ready to Take the Next Step?

    Work With Mat & Mark’s Law Firm
    Get strategic legal guidance for your business, taxes, asset protection, and estate planning with KKOS Lawyers.
    [Book a Call with KKOS Lawyers]

    Take Control of Your Retirement
    Want to invest your IRA or 401(k) in assets you actually understand? Check out our self-directed trust company Directed IRA.
    [Learn More About Directed IRA]

    Free Resources

    Mat Sorensen’s Optimal Order of Investing Guide
    Learn how to prioritize where your money should go and build a smarter investing strategy.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Mark J. Kohler’s 30-Point Tax Guide
    Discover practical tax strategies and planning opportunities every business owner and investor should know.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Get More From Mat & Mark

    Watch on YouTube
    Tax strategies, business planning, investing, asset protection, and more.
    [Visit the YouTube Channel...


    #635 Top 10 Crypto Tax-Strategies for 2026 Sep 07, 2026
    Show notes

    Need to make sure your strategies are working? Book a Comprehensive Tax and Business Consult with Mat and Marks Law firm KKOS Lawyers - Book a Call Here..

    Ready to Take the Next Step?

    Work With Mat & Mark’s Law Firm
    Get strategic legal guidance for your business, taxes, asset protection, and estate planning with KKOS Lawyers.
    [Book a Call with KKOS Lawyers]

    Take Control of Your Retirement
    Want to invest your IRA or 401(k) in assets you actually understand? Check out our self-directed trust company Directed IRA.
    [Learn More About Directed IRA]

    Free Resources

    Mat Sorensen’s Optimal Order of Investing Guide
    Learn how to prioritize where your money should go and build a smarter investing strategy.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Mark J. Kohler’s 30-Point Tax Guide
    Discover practical tax strategies and planning opportunities every business owner and investor should know.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Get More From Mat & Mark

    Watch on YouTube
    Tax strategies, business planning, investing, asset protection, and more.
    [Visit the YouTube Channel...


    #634 Revocable Vs Irrevocable Trusts - What You Need to Know Aug 31, 2026
    Show notes

    Estate planning isn’t just about what happens when you die, it’s about protecting your family, assets, and wishes along the way. Book a call with Mark and Mat’s law firm, KKOS Lawyers, to start your estate plan.

    Ready to Take the Next Step?

    Work With Mat & Mark’s Law Firm
    Get strategic legal guidance for your business, taxes, asset protection, and estate planning with KKOS Lawyers.
    [Book a Call with KKOS Lawyers]

    Take Control of Your Retirement
    Want to invest your IRA or 401(k) in assets you actually understand? Check out our self-directed trust company Directed IRA.
    [Learn More About Directed IRA]

    Free Resources

    Mat Sorensen’s Optimal Order of Investing Guide
    Learn how to prioritize where your money should go and build a smarter investing strategy.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Mark J. Kohler’s 30-Point Tax Guide
    Discover practical tax strategies and planning opportunities every business owner and investor should know.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Get More From Mat & Mark

    Watch on YouTube
    Tax strategies, business planning, investing, asset protection, and more.
    [Visit the YouTube Channel...


    #633 Backdoor Roth IRA Explained: Get Around the Income Limit Aug 21, 2026
    Show notes

    Need help executing a Backdoor Roth IRA? Book a FREE call with my team at Directed IRA where they walk you through every step of the way!: Book a Call Here

    Want checkbook control over your self-directed IRA investments? Book a call with Mark and Mat’s law firm, KKOS Lawyers, to discuss setting up an IRA/LLC correctly.

    Ready to Take the Next Step?

    Work With Mat & Mark’s Law Firm
    Get strategic legal guidance for your business, taxes, asset protection, and estate planning with KKOS Lawyers.
    [Book a Call with KKOS Lawyers]

    Take Control of Your Retirement
    Want to invest your IRA or 401(k) in assets you actually understand? Check out our self-directed trust company Directed IRA.
    [Learn More About Directed IRA]

    Free Resources

    Mat Sorensen’s Optimal Order of Investing Guide
    Learn how to prioritize where your money should go and build a smarter investing strategy.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Mark J. Kohler’s 30-Point Tax Guide
    Discover practical tax strategies and planning opportunities every business owner and investor should know.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Get More From Mat & Mark

    Watch on YouTube
    Tax strategies, business planning, investing, asset protection, and more.
    [Visit the YouTube Channel...


    #632 Fear in the Housing Market Almost Always Signals Opportunity Aug 13, 2026
    Show notes

    Before your next real estate investment, start with my law firm, KKOS Lawyers.
    Our Comprehensive Tax & Business Consult helps you make sure the deal fits into the right tax, entity, and asset protection strategy before you buy. - https://hubs.ly/Q04t0Vn00
    In this episode, Mark J. Kohler sits down with Kathy Fettke, co-founder of RealWealth and host of The Real Wealth Show, to talk about what smart investors should actually be watching in today’s market.
    They break down the proposed restrictions on institutional homebuyers, why reacting to headlines can leave investors behind, and the key indicator RealWealth looks for before entering a market: job growth.
    Kathy also shares how her team identified opportunity in Sherman, Texas, why the housing challenge is increasingly about renters, and how investors should think differently about active versus passive real estate.
    Key takeaways from this episode:
    Why fear in the market almost always means better deals are available
    - The truth behind the new bill capping institutional home purchases and why it's more political than practical
    - Why relying on headlines (or AI summaries) means you're investing on old, already-priced-in data
    - RealWealth's #1 rule for picking a market: follow the jobs
    - How Kathy's team spotted the CHIPS Act opportunity in Sherman, TX before anyone else moved
    - Why the real housing shortage today is a renter problem, not a buyer problem
    - The difference between active real estate (flipping) and passive real estate (buy-and-hold) — and why confusing the two costs people money
    - Why managing your property manager beats trying to manage the property yourself
    Kathy also shares how to get started with RealWealth's free resources, including property tours, weekly market webinars, and her book Retire Rich with Rentals. This episode is a must-watch for anyone who's been sitting on the sidelines waiting for the "right time" to invest or who's been burned trying to time the market off the news cycle.

    Ready to Take the Next Step?

    Work With Mat & Mark’s Law Firm
    Get strategic legal guidance for your business, taxes, asset protection, and estate planning with KKOS Lawyers.
    [Book a Call with KKOS Lawyers]

    Take Control of Your Retirement
    Want to invest your IRA or 401(k) in assets you actually understand? Check out our self-directed trust company Directed IRA.
    [Learn More About Directed IRA]

    Free Resources

    Mat Sorensen’s Optimal Order of Investing Guide
    Learn how to prioritize where your money should go and build a smarter investing strategy.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Mark J. Kohler’s 30-Point Tax Guide
    Discover practical tax strategies and planning opportunities every business owner and investor should know.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Get More From Mat & Mark

    Watch on YouTube
    Tax strategies, business planning, investing, asset protection, and more.
    [Visit the YouTube Channel...


    #631 Is Buying a Franchise Right For You? HomeVestors VP Mike Oberholtzer Explains Aug 07, 2026
    Show notes

    If you're considering buying or selling a franchise and want experienced legal guidance throughout the process, book a consult with Mat and Marks law firm KKOS Lawyers to get started: https://kkoslawyers.com/

    Buying a franchise can be a great path to business ownership—but it's important to know exactly what you're getting into before signing on the dotted line.

    In this special episode of the Main Street Business Podcast, Mat Sorensen sits down with Mike Oberholtzer, VP of Franchise Development at HomeVestors, to break down the entire franchise buying process. Together, they discuss how to evaluate franchise opportunities, what to look for in the Franchise Disclosure Document (FDD), the real costs of franchise ownership, and how to determine whether buying a franchise is the right fit. Whether you're looking to transition out of a W-2 career, diversify your investments, or become a business owner, this episode provides practical insights to help you make a more informed decision.

    In this episode, you'll learn:

    • How to determine if franchising is the right path for your goals
    • The pros and cons of buying a franchise versus starting a business from scratch
    • How to properly evaluate franchise opportunities
    • What to review in the Franchise Disclosure Document (FDD)
    • Why speaking with existing franchise owners is a critical step in your due diligence
    • The franchise fees, royalties, and ongoing costs to expect
    • What quality training, onboarding, and operational support should look like
    • Common mistakes prospective franchise owners make—and how to avoid them
    • Strategies for growing, scaling, and eventually selling a franchise business

    Ready to Take the Next Step?

    Work With Mat & Mark’s Law Firm
    Get strategic legal guidance for your business, taxes, asset protection, and estate planning with KKOS Lawyers.
    [Book a Call with KKOS Lawyers]

    Take Control of Your Retirement
    Want to invest your IRA or 401(k) in assets you actually understand? Check out our self-directed trust company Directed IRA.
    [Learn More About Directed IRA]

    Free Resources

    Mat Sorensen’s Optimal Order of Investing Guide
    Learn how to prioritize where your money should go and build a smarter investing strategy.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Mark J. Kohler’s 30-Point Tax Guide
    Discover practical tax strategies and planning opportunities every business owner and investor should know.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Get More From Mat & Mark

    Watch on YouTube
    Tax strategies, business planning, investing, asset protection, and more.
    [Visit the YouTube Channel...


    #630 Think Your LLC Protects You? Think Again Aug 04, 2026
    Show notes

    Is your entity structure up to date? Business owners can get themselves in sticky situations without maintaining their entities. Thats why our most popular service at our law firm KKOS Lawyers is our Entity Clean-UP Service. Book a Consultation Today!

    Ready to Take the Next Step?

    Work With Mat & Mark’s Law Firm
    Get strategic legal guidance for your business, taxes, asset protection, and estate planning with KKOS Lawyers.
    [Book a Call with KKOS Lawyers]

    Take Control of Your Retirement
    Want to invest your IRA or 401(k) in assets you actually understand? Check out our self-directed trust company Directed IRA.
    [Learn More About Directed IRA]

    Free Resources

    Mat Sorensen’s Optimal Order of Investing Guide
    Learn how to prioritize where your money should go and build a smarter investing strategy.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Mark J. Kohler’s 30-Point Tax Guide
    Discover practical tax strategies and planning opportunities every business owner and investor should know.
    [Download the Free Guide]

    Get More From Mat & Mark

    Watch on YouTube
    Tax strategies, business planning, investing, asset protection, and more.
    [Visit the YouTube Channel...


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