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    M&A Science

    M&A Science, hosted by Kison Patel (Founder & CEO of DealRoom), is your go-to podcast for mastering the art of mergers and acquisitions. Each week, Kison and his expert guests from leading brands like Xerox, FastLap, and Cisco dig deep into real-world M&A strategies, offering actionable insights to optimize your M&A practice.

    Whether you’re an experienced practitioner or new to the field, M&A Science provides practical advice on key topics like sourcing, due diligence, integration, divestitures, and more. With over 300 episodes, this podcast is the premier thought leadership resource designed to streamline your deal-making process.

    Start listening today and visit mascience.com/podcast to access over 300 episodes. Brought to you by DealRoom, the leading M&A optimization platform used by the best M&A teams around the world

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    Latest Episodes:
    How Not to Bomb Your First M&A Deal Jan 01, 2024
    Show notes

    Brock Blake, Co-Founder and CEO at Lendio

    M&A is a never-ending web of complexities and challenges. While the potential for growth and transformation is promising, the chances of failure are extremely high. To increase chances of success, acquirers must learn how to be adaptable and work with the target company for alignment.

    In this episode of the M&A Science Podcast, Brock Blake, Co-Founder and CEO of Lendio, shares their approach on how not to bomb your first M&A deal.

    You will learn:

    • How to drive your first deal

    • Understanding the cultural aspect of M&A

    • Strategizing acquisitions

    • Validating assumptions before acquisition commitment

    • Budget allocation for an earnout

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    This episode is sponsored by our products DealRoom and FirmRoom

    Ready to take your M&A to the next level with software made to manage each stage of the deal process? See how DealRoom can facilitate your next deal at dealroom.net.

    FirmRoom is the fastest virtual data room used to get deals done. Leave the pay-per-page world behind by going to firmroom.com

    Episode Bookmarks

    00:00 Intro

    06:02 Getting into M&A

    07:14 First deals and their drivers

    10:43 Second Acquisition

    14:49 Third Acquisition

    18:43 Understanding the cultural aspect

    25:17 The new deal approach

    29:10 Strategizing acquisitions

    32:07 Validating assumptions before acquisition commitment

    38:14 Budget allocation for an earnout

    41:37 Craziest thing in M&A


    The Basics of M&A Integration Execution Dec 25, 2023
    Show notes

    Aaron Whiting, Chief of Staff at Crownpeak

    Value creation in any acquisition relies heavily on how well the M&A integration goes. By focusing on integration, buyers can increase their chances of success in obtaining and realizing their intended synergies. But how well can it go if the company's integration lead is a first-timer?

    In this episode of the M&A Science Podcast, Learn the basics of M&A integration execution, with Aaron Whiting, Chief of Staff at Crownpeak.

    You will learn:

    • How to coach a first-time integration leader

    • Getting ready for day one

    • Kickoff meeting strategies

    • Challenges during integration

    • Setting alignment for kickoff meetings

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    This episode is sponsored by the M&A Science Academy, DealRoom, and FirmRoom.

    To join our growing online community of M&A practitioners, visit www.mascience.com/academy.

    Ready to take your M&A to the next level with software made to manage each stage of the deal process? See how DealRoom can facilitate your next deal at www.dealroom.net.

    FirmRoom provides 80% cost savings over VDRs that bill by page and delivers a far better user experience. Sign up in under 2 minutes by going to www.firmroom.com

    Episode Bookmark

    00:00 Intro 05:09 Coaching an integration lead 06:33 Involving the Integration Lead 12:42 Integration on Day one 17:49 Getting ready for Day one 22:31 M&A teams to pull in for integration 25:41 Kickoff meeting strategies 31:12 Maintaining regular cadence for good progress 35:53 Umbrella track 37:47 How to track integration activities 42:38 Challenges during integration 47:55 Mechanical things that could go wrong during integration 52:59 Setting alignment for kickoff meetings 56:26 What success looks like through stories 01:01:50 How to know when the integration is complete 01:03:42 Advice for first timers 01:07:48 Craziest thing in M&A


    ChatGPT Interview: AI's Impact on M&A Dec 20, 2023
    Show notes

    ChatGPT Voice, powered by OpenAI.

    This past year, AI has revolutionized the way we do things, and ChatGPT has been a big part of that. Created by OpenAI, ChatGPT can understand and use language like a human, making it extremely useful in a lot of different areas. And now, we can actually talk to it.

    In this episode of the M&A Science Podcast, we are introducing our first-ever ChatGPT interview. We are going to learn its insights on AI's impact on the world of M&A.

    You will learn more about:

    • AI's role in deal sourcing

    • Streamlining due diligence using AI

    • Future of M&A

    • Limitations of AI

    • ChatGPT's advice on integrating AI into M&A

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    This episode is sponsored by the M&A Science Academy, DealRoom, and FirmRoom.

    To join our growing online community of M&A practitioners, visit www.mascience.com/academy.

    Ready to take your M&A to the next level with software made to manage each stage of the deal process? See how DealRoom can facilitate your next deal at www.dealroom.net.

    FirmRoom provides 80% cost savings over VDRs that bill by page and delivers a far better user experience. Sign up in under 2 minutes by going to www.firmroom.com

    Episode Timestamps

    00:00 Intro

    03:06 Revolutionizing M&A with AI

    03:53 AI's role in Deal sourcing

    08:08 AI's role in deal valuation process

    12:41 Limitations of ChatGPT

    14:05 Streamlining due diligence

    18:00 AI's impact on M&A integration

    22:10 Case Study: Daimler Chrysler merger

    25:15 Case Study: Amazon acquiring Whole Foods

    28:14 Future of M&A

    30:23 DealRoom

    32:40 How to incorporate AI into DealRoom

    35:57 Positive business outcomes using DealRoom

    37:41 Ethical Considerations Using AI

    39:28 Limitations of AI

    41:04 Advice on integrating AI into M&A

    43:10 Craziest thing in M&A


    Automation in M&A Dec 18, 2023
    Show notes

    Dr. Karl-Michael Popp, Senior Director, Corporate Development at SAP (FRA: SAP)

    In today's digital era, the pervasive influence of technology is felt in every facet of business, and Mergers and Acquisitions (M&A) are no different. The arrival of innovation and automation will soon make their way to the industry, streamlining processes that could bolster productivity and facilitate smoother post-merger integration.

    In this episode of the M&A Science Podcast, Dr. Karl Michael Popp, Senior Director, Corporate Development at SAP, discusses in detail automation in M&A.

    Things you will learn:

    • Measuring Strategy during automation

    • Strategic Fit Analysis

    • Identifying Targets

    • Quantifying culture in M&A

    • Impact of new emerging technologies in M&A

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    This episode is sponsored by the M&A Science Academy, DealRoom, and FirmRoom.

    To join our growing online community of M&A practitioners, visit www.mascience.com/academy.

    Ready to take your M&A to the next level with software made to manage each stage of the deal process? See how DealRoom can facilitate your next deal at www.dealroom.net.

    FirmRoom provides 80% cost savings over VDRs that bill by page and delivers a far better user experience to boot. Sign up in under 2 minutes by going to www.firmroom.com

    Episode Bookmarks

    00:00 Intro

    07:10 Measuring Strategy

    10:00 Structuring Strategies

    13:53 Quantifying Metadata

    16:24 Breaking it down into details to complete the strategy

    18:49 Strategic Fit Analysis

    20:06 Identifying Targets

    22:40 Cascading of Strategy

    25:33 Changing the strategy

    27:11 Learning from the target company

    31:18 Quantifying culture in M&A

    32:47 Impact of new emerging technologies in M&A

    34:50 Automation in M&A

    39:27 The late evolution of M&A

    40:51 Craziest thing in M&A


    Executing Smaller Deals and Negotiating Key Legal Provisions Dec 11, 2023
    Show notes

    Anthony Krueger, Associate at Morrison & Foerster LLP

    M&A comes in varying sizes. However, there's a common misconception that smaller deals are easier to execute than larger ones. The truth is, that smaller deals come with their own unique set of challenges that could possibly make them even harder to do.

    In this episode of the M&A Science Podcast, Anthony Krueger, Associate at Morrison & Foerster LLP, debunks this myth and discusses how to execute smaller deals and negotiate key legal provisions.

    You will learn:

    •The complexities of smaller deals

    •Executing earnouts

    •Reps and warranties insurance for smaller deals

    •Working capital adjustments and its effect on smaller deals

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    This episode is sponsored by the M&A Science Academy. If you're looking to improve your in-house training, we have corporate training plans provided. Give your team members access to the best-in-class courses, templates, and networking opportunities in the industry. It's also a great way to show your support for M&A Science. If you're interested in learning more about individual or team plans, visit this page.

    Episode Bookmarks

    00:00 Intro

    04:36 Smaller deals vs bigger deals

    06:35 Complexities of smaller deals

    06:52 Other layers of complexities

    10:10 Earnouts

    18:03 Reps and warranties

    24:08 Fundamental vs General Reps and Warranties

    25:35 Indemnities

    28:40 Disclosure schedules

    32:34 Caps and Baskets

    35:52 Carve-out

    36:44 Working capital adjustments

    40:47 Deferred revenue

    42:01 Accrued bonuses and vacations

    44:12 Advice to those doing small deals

    45:12 Craziest thing in M&A


    The Intricacies of M&A from Start to Finish Dec 04, 2023
    Show notes

    Rajive Dhar, VP, Head of Corporate Development at NetApp (NASDAQ: NTAP)

    For first-time acquirers, M&A can be challenging, as it comes with strenuous processes with many complexities that can turn the dream into a nightmare. However, with proper guidance, acquirers can have a smooth transaction and an amicable negotiation.

    In this episode of the M&A Science Podcast. We discuss the intricacies of M&A from start to finish with Rajive Dhar, VP, Head of Corporate Development at NetApp, to help us navigate our first deal.

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    This episode is sponsored by the M&A Science Academy, DealRoom, and FirmRoom.

    To join our growing online community of M&A practitioners, visit www.mascience.com/academy.

    Ready to take your M&A to the next level with software made to manage each stage of the deal process? See how DealRoom can facilitate your next deal at www.dealroom.net

    FirmRoom provides 80% cost savings over VDRs that bill by page and delivers a far better user experience to boot. Sign up in under 2 minutes by going to www.firmroom.com

    Episode Bookmarks

    00:00 Intro

    05:58 Different types of M&A

    09:49 Corporate Strategy for M&A

    12:37 Dealing with new customers

    14:49 Acquiring competitors

    17:13 Target screening

    22:19 Opening up conversations with the target company

    23:55 Initial Due Diligence

    25:59 Diligence list

    30:17 Sunsetting competitors product

    33:02 Assessing culture

    34:52 Putting an LOI together

    39:58 Negotiating deal structure

    46:41 Earnouts

    55:44 Keeping relationships

    1:00:13 Best advice for practitioners


    M&A Surprises and Horror Stories Nov 27, 2023
    Show notes

    Jim Ackerman, recent Vice President of Corporate Development at Flex; Steve Coghlan, Semi-recent Vice President of Corporate Development at Flex.

    Every deal is different, which means each and everyone will present unique challenges that teams have to overcome. Especially when dealing with smaller companies. There is no such thing as a perfect deal. However, with the right mindset and approach, deals can still close and bring value to both parties involved.

    In this episode of the M&A Science Podcast, Jim Ackerman, recent Vice President of Corporate Development at Flex, and Steve Coghlan, former Vice President of Corporate Development at Flex, discuss their experiences on M&A surprises and horror stories.

    This episode is sponsored by FirmRoom, the fastest virtual data room used to get deals done. Leave the pay-per-page world behind by going to www.firmroom.com

    Episode Bookmarks

    00:00 Intro

    05:06 Sourcing deals

    08:24 Key things to ask during the first meeting

    11:49 How to get exclusivity

    15:01 How the governance works

    16:41 Due diligence red flags

    17:21 Cultural integration

    19:46 Working with the board

    23:54 Best way to pitch a deal to the board

    24:34 Stakeholder management in the board

    25:40 Managing M&A surprises

    29:30 Good M&A Surprises

    34:37 Accounting surprises

    36:30 Private deal surprises

    40:39 IT surprises

    42:33 Surprises between signing and closing

    45:38 How to mitigate risks and surprises

    46:13 What trap currency is

    48:04 Integration surprises

    50:40 Mitigating surprises from integration

    54:25 Instilling clear and purposeful communication

    55:23 Hardest step to do in M&A

    56:10 Worst deal ever done

    59:11 Best advice

    1:00:12 Craziest thing in M&A


    How Positive Relationships Can Drive Success in M&A Nov 20, 2023
    Show notes

    Nicole Markowski, Manager and Corporate Development at Wipfli LLP

    More than the numbers, relationships can make or break a deal. Regardless of the deal rationale, strong, trusting connections between parties can lead to smoother negotiations, clearer communication, and a greater likelihood of mutual satisfaction in the end result.

    In this episode of the M&A Science Podcast, Nicole Markowski, Manager and Corporate Development at Wipfli LLP, delves into the importance of cultivating positive relationships to drive M&A success.

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    This episode is sponsored by the M&A Science Academy, DealRoom, and FirmRoom.

    To join our growing online community of M&A practitioners, visit www.mascience.com/academy.

    Ready to take your M&A to the next level with software made to manage each stage of the deal process? See how DealRoom can facilitate your next deal at www.dealroom.net.

    FirmRoom provides 80% cost savings over VDRs that bill by page and delivers a far better user experience to boot. Sign up in under 2 minutes by going to www.firmroom.com

    Episode Timestamps:

    00:00 Intro

    07:04 The importance of relationships in M&A

    09:25 Key people to build relationships with

    15:55 How to foster and develop relationships

    23:03 How to engage with key people

    25:27 Approach to build relationships

    28:30 People assignment for developing relationships

    30:47 Delegating tasks in building relationships

    34:22 Key acquired company people to build relationships with

    36:31 Handling resistant groups

    39:25 People problems and how to address them

    45:57 Advice to first-time practitioners

    47:45 Craziest thing in M&A


    M&A from a CFO's Perspective Session 2 Nov 13, 2023
    Show notes

    Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer at 8x8 (NASDAQ: EGHT)

    In the grand scheme of things, every M&A must make financial sense. Whether it's cutting cost, increasing revenue, or achieving operational efficiencies, it all boils down to the numbers. After all, every company's main goal is to grow and increase profit for its shareholders. It is why the Chief Financial Officers play an integral role in M&A.

    In this episode of the M&A Science Podcast, we will explore M&A from a CFO's perspective, featuring Samuel Wilson, Chief Executive Officer at 8x8.

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    This episode is sponsored by the DealRoom and FirmRoom.

    Ready to take your M&A to the next level with software made to manage each stage of the deal process? See how DealRoom can facilitate your next deal at www.dealroom.net

    FirmRoom provides 80% cost savings over VDRs that bill by page and delivers a far better user experience to boot. Sign up in under 2 minutes by going to www.firmroom.com.

    Episode Timestamps

    00:00 Intro

    07:55 The Role of CFO

    11:39 Risk Management

    14:39 Integration aspect

    15:54 Alignment on assumptions

    18:14 Managing people

    19:28 Best integration practices

    21:25 Working with the CEO

    22:52 Walking away from a deal

    27:10 Getting involved in the deal

    29:50 Tying the Strategy

    33:36 Integration Budgeting

    39:43 Working with corporate development

    40:54 Advice for first time acquirers

    44:04 Craziest thing in M&A


    M&A from a CFO's Perspective Session 1 Nov 06, 2023
    Show notes

    David Barnes, Chief Financial Officer at Trimble Inc. (NASDAQ:TRMB)

    Chief Financial Officers (CFOs) play a pivotal role in shaping the destiny of strategic ventures. Beyond their traditional financial responsibilities, these financial architects hold the key to unlocking the full potential of mergers and acquisitions.

    In this episode of the M&A Science Podcast, we explore M&A from a CFO's perspective with David Barnes, Chief Financial Officer at Trimble Inc.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    This episode is sponsored by the M&A Science Academy, DealRoom, and FirmRoom.

    To join our growing online community of M&A practitioners, visit mascience.com/academy.

    Ready to take your M&A to the next level with software made to manage each stage of the deal process? See how DealRoom can facilitate your next deal at dealroom.net.

    FirmRoom provides 80% cost savings over VDRs that bill by page and delivers a far better user experience to boot. Sign up in under 2 minutes by going to firmroom.com.

    Episode Timestamps

    00:00 Intro

    04:29 The Role of CFO

    05:14 How the CFO's roles differs from the CEO

    06:24 Decision-making process and approvals workflow

    09:43 Communicating opportunities

    11:15 Prioritization

    14:18 Balancing the allocation of budgets

    16:42 How equity compensation works

    18:14 How aligned investment analysts are when evaluating a company

    20:08 Forecasting deals

    22:53 Priorities when looking at deals

    26:49 Balancing priorities when structuring earnouts

    28:31 Understanding a company's culture

    31:08 Integration from a CFO's perspective

    33:49 How the speed of integration impacts value realization

    37:05 Biggest lessons learned as a CFO

    39:23 How to pitch deals to the CFO

    41:38 Craziest thing in M&A


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