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Latter Day Struggles

The Latter Day Struggles Podcast addresses beliefs and issues within the LDS faith that are challenging to talk about but vital to discuss for those trying to navigate their relationship in or around the church. Valerie and her guests invite psychological maturity, theological health, and institutional integrity.

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45: Please Stay in Your Lane, Bishop Sep 12, 2022

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In this episode Valerie and guest co-host and fellow relationship therapist Brannon Patrick talk about the goodness and badness that happens at the hands of well-meaning but not-professionally trained bishops in a system where they are often expected [and endeavor] to run a three ring circus in their office consisting of marriage counseling, trauma recovery, addiction counseling, grief work, and complex mental health issues.
And mind you these bishops are often your average accountants, mechanics, or farmers. Why does the church put people in these precarious positions? And what harm is done as members expect this and as bishops earnestly try to provide this flavor of the modern-day miracle? Val and Brannon break down the problems and walk through some simple solutions that require emotional intelligence and humility and both sides of the desk.

**This episode does not address issues of bishops and the reporting of abuse. Please see episode #36 for more on this.

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44: On Skepticism of Having Your Children Baptized Sep 09, 2022

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In this episode Valerie and Nathan tackle an excellent and challenging question from one of you listeners regarding how to handle their child's upcoming 8th birthday and eligibility to be baptized into the LDS church.
Many parents feel positively confused...wanting to integrate the "good stuff" of this faith tradition into their homes and family life while also wanting to be cautious about how, what, and when to teach their children in ways that reflect their own newly developing (and more complicated) understanding of the church.

In short--none of us wants to set our children up for a faith and trust crisis down the road. Val and Nathan break down several thoughts about this topic and offer advice that they wished someone had shared with them when their kids were younger!

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43: Mormon Women's History & the ERA: A Case of Subservience Over Conscience Sep 05, 2022

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In this episode Valerie walks you through a historic tragedy to demonstrate what happens when a community is trained to obey authority over honoring common sense, conscience, and sound judgment.
Valerie takes you back to the 1970s and recounts LDS church headquarter's handling of the national Equal Rights Amendment [ERA] and how large numbers of church members gladly relinquished their own wisdom and judgement in the service of loyalty to the institution.
After tracing these fascinating events, Valerie shares several thoughts about what this cautionary tale can teach us about the dangers of a society that struggles cultivating in its membership spiritual discernment, psychological freedom, and agency to act according to conscience.
Even when earnest authority figures sincerely feel that they are protecting us by assuming the role of collective conscience governing personal, spiritual, and political choices, it is always our divine right and responsibility to own our own sacred consciences and act accordingly.

Book referenced in this episode

The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power, by D. Michael Quinn

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42: Why Humans & Latter-day Saints are Lulled by the Status Quo Sep 02, 2022

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In this episode Nathan and Valerie break down some research called the "Systems Justification Theory" that shines a light on why most people choose the status quo over the hard work of challenging the systems we know need reformation.

The theory highlights four key reasons why we cling to status quo:

We feel reassured by the familiarity of our own institutional mess and will suffer in silence before deciding to manage the discomfort of pushing back
In the face of outside threat, we salute. Institutions sometimes heighten a sense of outside threat to engender loyalty.
We are wired to find safety in belonging to a tribe
We hope and wish for better days ahead. We try to believe that this problem is just temporary.

Books referenced in this episode:

The Art of Insubordination: How to Dissent and Defy Effectively, by Todd B. Kashdan, PhD

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41: On Paranoia, Misdirected Worship & Image Management Aug 30, 2022

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Series Title: Diagnosing Spiritual Abuse [Part III of III]
Nathan and Valerie break down 3 more indicators of a system (church or family) that is struggling on some level with spiritual abuse. The scholarship used in this episode comes from non-Latter-Day Saint researchers looking at religious systems in general and pointing out specific features of the churches that tend to perpetuate the most unrighteous dominion.

The 3 points that they cover in this episode are as follows:

A culture of paranoia: Where doctrine and practice focuses on how others do not understand and will not understand until they become part of the group. This also includes a culture referring to "the world" as dangerous and something to be feared.
Misplaced loyalty: A hyper-focus on loyalty to the institution and its leaders instead of the true focus being on Jesus Christ and his atonement.
Secretiveness: A culture that is very concerned with managing its image and therefore has many layers of security to protect it from "the world". These secrets are often justified by leadership who holds a condescending view of the laity, feeling that they wouldn't understand.

Val and Nathan do not view systems struggling with spiritual abuse as intentionally malicious, but rather they see these struggles typical of systems that operate under some level of fear. As we each better understand what spiritual abuse looks like, we can shine a light on these struggles and encourage our system to overcome these tendencies. Please share this episode!

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40: On Overstepping on Personal Life Choices Aug 26, 2022

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Series Title: Diagnosing Spiritual Abuse [Part II of III]
Nathan and Valerie break down 3 more indicators of a system (church or family) that is struggling on some level with spiritual abuse. The scholarship used in this episode comes from non-Latter-Day Saint researchers looking at religious systems in general and pointing out specific features of the churches that tend to perpetuate the most unrighteous dominion.

The 3 points that they cover in this episode are as follows:

Tendency for the institution to hover over personal decisions in the lives of the membership
Heavy financial expectations with minimal transparency or accountability about funds received
A general culture perpetuating the institution holding the "exclusive truth" from and about God.

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39: On Accountability Struggles, Performance Focus, & Unspoken Rules Aug 22, 2022

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Series Title: Diagnosing Spiritual Abuse [Part I of III]
Nathan and Valerie break down 9 consistent markers of spiritually abusive systems [family or churches]. The scholarship used in this episode comes from non-Latter-Day- Saint researchers looking at religious systems in general and pointing out the specific features of the churches that tend to perpetuate the most unrighteous dominion.

The 3 points that they cover in this episode are as follows:

Heavy emphasis on charismatic leader who becomes the ultimate spokesperson on all spiritual issues. This includes tactics that minimize the humanity of the leadership body and maximize of focus on the humanity of the membership, with little to no checks and balances amongst the leadership, and a leadership that is not representative of a cross-section of the membership.
Legalistic beliefs and accompanying focus on PERFORMANCE: right performance, enough performance, and the adequate measurement of performance.
A system of unspoken rules that no compliant member articulates [due to fear of punishment], but everyone knows.

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38: Standing up Against Chicken Patriarchy Aug 19, 2022

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In this episode Valerie honors feminist writer Kynthia Taylor and unpacks an excerpt from her essay called "The Trouble with Chicken Patriarchy". She follows up with thoughts on how as a therapist she sees the damage done to both men and women in the prescribed and deeply embedded gender roles that the church inherited in its 19th century inception and has in many ways expanded upon as the world has evolved in the opposite direction.
Val breaks down how the roles of provider, protector, and presider creates guilt and shame in some men whose lives do not unfold according this "check list" and how the mixed messages of the church (becoming more flexible in some ways with women's roles but not actually changing anything in the power structure of the church) creates confusion, frustration, and struggle in spiritually developing and socially conscious individuals of both genders.

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37: The Current Culture of Mandated Missionary Service Aug 16, 2022

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Join Valerie and Nathan as they break down a variety of missionary-service related topics, including the following:

What's with the hyper focus on missionary service of late?
misdiagnosis of the problem
Unrighteous dominion
Thoughts on mission reform...offering those who serve more personal ownership of their mission experience as a place to grow psychologically and spiritually.
Thoughts on reform...realizing that the mission field is a major training ground for institutional and family-unit patriarchy where micro-aggressions are rampant, unacknowledged, and often defended.

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36: On the Associated Press's Recent S*x Abuse Underreporting Article Aug 11, 2022

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In this episode, Valerie free-associates about her weekend spent reading, studying and thinking about the recent AP article regarding allegations that the LDS church is under-reporting sex abuse shared with ecclesiastical leader--protecting the predators at the expense of the victims.
While this is a complex issue and Valerie does not pretend to know many answers, as a trauma therapist and a mandated reporter herself, she poses many questions that she would love for "the church" to answer, to help her and others concerned better understand and feel that the church is not only explaining themselves, but more importantly, considering a change of policy to protect the vulnerable.

Article referenced in episode:

Arizona court upholds clergy privilege in child abuse case, by Michael Rezendes, Jason Dearen

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