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    Keeping Track

    Alysia Montano, Molly Huddle and Roisin McGettigan are three Olympians, from 2 countries, including 2 Moms and 1 current pro coming together to talk about the inspiring figures, important topics and interesting stories in women’s sports. We care about the landscape and future of our sport of Track and Field and we want to create more media coverage of women’s sports in general. We’ll be interviewing inspiring athletes, and discussing topics and news in the track world and beyond. Thanks for Keeping Track with us!

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    Ayesha McGowan: The First African American Female Pro Road Cyclist! Feb 11, 2020
    Show notes

    Ro and Alysia chat with Ayesha McGowan , first African American Professional Cyclist about her journey, her advocacy for people of color in Cycling and how she created space for herself in this sport as well as celebrating the differences in the cycling world. Molly is off werkin out.


    6- Ayesha’s Background: how she got into sports and cycling-into track, field hockey and basketball

    Went to school in Central New Jersey-Piscataway

    9- Ayesha’s mission to diversify road cycling. She recently became Pro w contract w Liv (she is Category II).

    Also fighting for representation in the cycling industry

    espn article


    14-womens cycling is being restructured-Women still only just now mandated to be paid at top level of cycling!

    She is not on team as it may limit her autonomy/ability to do advocacy work


    17- Ayesha’s influence in making space in the world as a black woman : Serena Williams, Kittie Knox


    21- her piece on people for bikes


    24-Cycling has such diverse participants: performance based cyclists, commuters, recreational cyclists. There feels to be judgement between groups.


    25:


    “I think the hardest thing about my work is trying to encourage people to learn how to celebrate differences instead of using them as tools for division and judgement and negativity. ...I don’t want you to not see that I’m a black woman. ….I want you to embrace that I’m a black woman and understand how that’s a good thing for this community and understand how that can be an asset to pushing the sport forward and growing cycling. But instead it becomes a negative thing. I feel like that’s how humans have learned to look at differences in general...I feel like cycling is this micro version of the world because you have people from all over...doctors and delivery workers...the range is massive...people from all different cultures and colors and whatever and so it’s a big reflection of the world and it feels like a huge opportunity to teach some of these larger points that extend beyond cycling but use cycling as that commonality”


    28-barriers Ayesha has faced-understanding the confusing structure herself ,ignorance of others in regards to her humanity, explaining diversity, getting into a community’s bubble, angry people , people who are upset to be told they’re doing things wrong


    31-Double Consciousness, W.E.B Dubois


    “How much of myself can I be?”


    35- Ayesha-wants to create more opportunities for other people this year

    Follow these accounts!

    • @Allmountainbrothers
    • @pedal2thepeople

    Ayesha doesn’t just want a black person to be used as an inclusivity project -she wants to show the diverse people who already come to the sport/ to show the people who are doing their thing already. She doesn’t want to be THE diversity. She wants a broader representation of black people.

    Where to find Ayesha: blog www.aquickbrownfox.com

    Podcast - Quick Brown Fox

    instagram/twitter- @Ayesuppose<

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    Dawn Harper Nelson’s Cinderella Story Feb 01, 2020
    Show notes

    Link-dawns 2008 Oly Gold, and 2012 silver and most recent 2017 world champs silver

    0-10 Ro and Alysia catch up on Alysia’s commentating job from Boston Indoor Games!

    10-15 Dawn’s background and dreams for being mother and Olympic champ, the decision to wait to have a baby until she was done running in 2018 and coming OUT OF RETIREMENT for 2020!

    16:50-coming back from pregnancy -practice 6 weeks post baby was frustrating “that felt terrible to not be able to do something (a start off the line) that I feel like is just rolling out of bed”

    Felt rushed , but body has own timeline.

    23: link to the Tea on Players Tribune (via Facebook)

    We talk about the WNBA Collective bargaining agreement

    “The world recognized that this was a big deal” and deserved a news cycle not just small print

    What would be our issues in Collective Bargaining in track? Maternity, contract minimum?

    29: Perspectives on race and marketing: on seeking appropriate media attention and sponsorship opportunities for her achievements.

    The unexpected olympic gold in 2008-came from no contract, borrowed shoes , worked 3 jobs and shared a house with others

    “When I get to the line I’m not thinking of my hair style, my skin , my build, I’m thinking when I get to the line can I beat these other women”

    33 describing post gold feelings-so happy

    Vs Interview experience: so much focus on LoLo who was the favorite to win not medaling-it didn’t follow the media script and there was some backlash because LoLo was a media darling

    and Dawn was relatively unknown.

    She understood it took time for public to adjust to her win

    37: Marketability for female athletes come with unique challenges : ex- black female athletes-hair is a big deal, takes time and money to look good on tv

    39- on being called “jealous, dark, black and ugly, mad because LoLo got the spotlight”-upsetting, because she didn’t want fame she wanted to realize her full potential

    “Thar Narrative carried on for years” “I felt lost”

    42: How comments on her braids made her feel ugly and regret a style she likes ”I felt like the world was telling me I was ugly”

    44-2012 olympics-so happy to medal again. She was more well known and ready again to battle Sally Pearson-PR’d,broke former Oly Record w Sally, came second by a fraction
    46 : 2012 reactions: social media- people call her “angry, black b--, kill yourself”

    The TV interview was centered around Lolo’s loss again

    49: Remembering back to 2008, room mate was devastated by loss while she was so happy to win, showed her to be sensitive and respectful to her competitors-why it’s so upsetting that she was portrayed as bitter regarding Lolo’s loss
    51: Kelly Wells purple hair was called too “ghetto” and unamerican by internet trolls

    52: ”there was a time for four solid years, olympics to olympics, where I was fending for myself and had to somehow find my own confidence and say no matter what the world is telling me I know that when I line up its a blessing to wear these 3 letters on my chest and every time I line up im just going to do my best”

    53: The medals didn’t have the sponsorship power she expected-she felt her team didn’t push back at the narrative of “the market is down, no one is asking for you” and “you’re not the look”

    59: she felt lonely and unsupported in her issue. She felt like she didn’t have value for what she’d done,

    62:2020-looking for sponsors but going for the dream anyway “you’ve been here before and you can do it again”

    65: outside influences matter (media and social media trolls etc), I

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    New Year's Discussion and Celeste Goodson of ReCORE Fitness Jan 11, 2020
    Show notes

    Ro, Molly and Alysia Catch up after the Holiday break and discus the place of female athletes in fans' and media's yearly and decade rankings, and talk about discovering our voices for 2020. We have a great resource episode where ReCORE creator Celeste Goodson talks about the inner core rebuilding that is essential for post partum return to running and sports.

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    Ep 9: Shalane Flanagan on Coaching, Cooking and Caring Dec 19, 2019
    Show notes

    0-10: catch up

    Links: Ro’s journals and code keepingtrack2020


    10-on Shalane’s retirement: the emotions, the decisions, the difficult parts and the shifting of passion from her running to fostering other athlete’s successes, family and other projects

    3-How transition from runner to coach affects her support team

    7- the transition to Shalane’s post-running life was always in the back of her mind, part of why it has gone smoothly

    8-emotions at the end of running career: sadness, relief, happiness

    10-relating to the Lindsey Vonn documentary the Final Season and the book The Second Mountain by David Brooks

    12-retirement isn’t easy stage for athletes

    Shalanes double knee surgeries

    19-Shalane on wanting it all: coaching, and family, looking to adopt

    Link to shalanes journal, third cook book coming out, link to other two Run Fast Eat Slow, Run Fast Cook Fast Eat Slow

    21- Motivation for Elyse and Shalane’s cook books: to help educate athletes on good fuel and combat eating disorders in sports

    23-Shalane learning to fuel her body throughout career- not always perfect

    27- Hows could/could a coach speak to an athlete about nutrition and weight?

    31-Bowerman Babes bond by cooking together

    33- Shalane’s feelings on the negative aspects vs positive experiences at Nike: it’s uncomfortable, the positive impact of Bowerman in the Portland community, lessons she has learned from being adjacent to the story of Mary Cain

    40: Shlane: advocate for yourself and be aggressive in going for your dreams”

    43- How Shalane learned to be confident and aggressive in going for things she wants-operating on a pace of no regrets


    “To not be afraid of advocating for yourself, if you think you’re going to be good at something and for taking that leap of faith to just push people to accept your vision and your goal….I felt like it was a much needed role and I created it for myself”

    “I encourage people to be agressive about things that you want”


    “ My athletic career has allowed me to continually believe in myself more and more. Its not that i dont have moments of doubt, but athleteics has propelled me to have these moments of ‘why not me’”

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    Episode 8- Meet Marathon lover Obsie Birru Dec 11, 2019
    Show notes

    0-5Obsie talks about having balance with running work and school-how she thrives

    5: Obsie talks about her upbringing in Ethiopia, and her other great coaching influences from HS and college in Iowa and Coach Kurt at NeD

    9:30 Obsie talks about Ethiopian Running culture

    10:40- Running helped Obsie make friends when she came to America, and she didn’t focus on it as an elite sport

    11:30-Obsie’s first marathon -in college! She set the NAIA record 2:45 In 2012 at Grandview, where she ran everything from 4x800 to 26.2 in that week

    15-How Obsie worked with her competitor to PR in CIM this year

    Her strategies for managing herself in the race

    17:30-edit out the freeze please

    18;00-East African running culture

    20: Nice is not a weakness: “When you lift eachother up that’s when I feel the most comfort and benefits you, benefits them. What’s meant for me will be mine...there’s enough room for everyone...I know its a competition but I know when to turn that on and when to turn that off”


    21-Obsie surrounds herself with real and good people-she is grateful for the mentors in her life: Janet Bawcom, Dianne Nukuri, her HS coach, her post college coach Kurt, and her teachers in Ethiopia


    On coaching middle school kids in her NeD days; “coaching those kids, I find it inspiring, I think as an adult you lose that part of you sometimes that gets so excited about the sport and ...as adults we are so fearful that x-y-z will happen. Those kids I lay out hurdles in front of them and some of those kids have never seen it and they’re like “im gonna do it!....they have no fear”

    25- Obsie is grateful for her coaches’ efforts and it inspires her in the race

    26-Obsie’s workouts! -we thought she did 5X5 mile, but i think it is 5X mile :)

    She loves mileage!

    30-Obsie learns to fit in training, rest, sleep and diet better now than she used to

    32-Ethiopian culture and attitude on food and diet

    36-Obsie is not sponsored and mostly trains solo

    39-what’s next? Trials are on the calendar!

    “Running for me is the way I feel the most confident,it’s when I feel like I’m open to people, so it’s like a language. It’s like a smile is a universal language and running is the same because whether you run slow,.....people run at different levels but we’re all in it together. All those marathoners still out there on the course, were all on the same journey. I love that.

    “It’s really opened up my world and my mind and what I can do with other things. It motivates me to be better:to be a better advisor, a better student.”


    Link to Obsie’s Saucony commercial

    Link to NeDistance


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    Episode 7- Emily Sisson "Be The Eye Of The Storm" Dec 03, 2019
    Show notes

    In today’s episode we talk to 2:23 marathoner, two time Team USA 10,000m runner and fellow Ray Treacy coached athlete Emily Sisson. We talk about how she finds the right frame of mind amidst pre-race hype and managing race day anxieties. We talk about her marathon debut and how it could have gotten derailed, transitioning from a world class jr athlete to a world class sr athlete and embracing her strong looking body.


    London Marathon -Emily’s debut

    Emily’s Half Marathon PR

    Emily Sisson Providence College

    Emily Sisson Jr career


    0-7 We catch up on the Thanksgiving Holiday, announce our *Live* Podcast Plans- and Ro offers her Holiday deal on the Believe Training Journal BelieveIAm.com 20% off with code “keepingtrack2020”

    7-12 Emily talking about not getting overwhelmed by hype at start of Olympic Trials Buildup , her strategies for quieting distractions and reducing anxiety

    Ro: “Be the eye of the storm”

    14-pre race boundaries: balancing media and solitude

    17 -Finding your IZOF, holding on to valuable energy as an introvert, getting the process right

    21-Dealing with Pre-race anxiety-her tools

    “Once the gun goes I find that’s when all the worries go away”

    24-threats to joys of racing: anxiety, performance clauses,

    27- on Emily being suited to the Marathon

    How she handles the beast of tempos and long runs

    29- reading your body during the race: Emily’s half marathon in Houston and marathon debut in London

    35- London Marathon- funny story, how Emily didn’t take herself out of the race even when things were going awry

    “shit just happens!”

    : on navigating transition from a phenom jr to a world class sr athlete

    39- embracing her physical strength after being told “you don’t look like a runner”

    43- what part of Emily’s story she’d like told:

    Everyone has their own challenges

    45: Emily says nice things about Molly lol

    46-shout out to @thegoldenlifeofdes Emily’s fave books:

    -


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    Episode 6-Tianna Bartoletta "Physics Doesn't Give A F**k" Nov 26, 2019
    Show notes

    0-9:00 discussion w Ro Molly and Alysia about REDS and Conference Ro went to with Endocrinologist Kathryn Ackerman MD MPH

    Meet-our-team

    See our website www.keeping-track.com for slides from the conference


    9-Tianna introduces herself-resume is lit!

    11:30-Tianna’s beginnings in track

    13:30-Tianna’s approach of show up every day, and how she earned a car and a scholarship in Highschool

    16:00-Tianna’s decade between medals, how she stayed motivated

    Track is a vehicle for other things

    18:00-”physics doesn’t give a F***”

    20:00-in 2005, Tianna was surprised to win and not ready to handle the weight of a world championship as a college sophomore

    24:00-advice to young athletes, why she likes “The Alchemist”

    (link to her e-books and courses )

    25:00-”i was chasing a ghost”, disappointment in 2006 world indoor , not medaling after winning gold months earlier, the expectations were so heavy

    29:00-importance of showing the journey not just the arrival

    (link to tiannabee.com)

    31:00-existential crisis in the life of an athlete-being enough but wanting more from the sport, how she had to address her mental health

    Buddhism and yoga are her strategies

    33-Tianna’s experience in an abusive relationship

    (share her poster, and another other resource for abuse victims)

    Link to book Tianna for her talk “performance Fuel”

    38-Tianna calls out powerful coaches for being more responsible with the way they handle athletes , who are trusting them with life changing decisions that go beyond sport

    41- How Tianna left her relationship and the risk and fears involved

    45:-How Tianna was competing ok but mentally unhealthy years ago, and is now in a good place mentally but is waiting for her performance to catch up. Seeing self as a whole person, committing to the next Olympic cycle, proving self she can do it healthy

    46-Tianna’s resources and advice to abuse victims
    (share the signs of abuse poster on www.keeping-track.com , and her blog for abuse victims)

    49-What Tianna would like better told, advice to listeners:

    “I want to give athletes permission to be the whole mess that we are sometimes, and to take all of that with you to the track and to..work those demons out there on the oval. You don’t have to hide anything and you can be you and you dont have you win every time- and odds are you'll lose way more than you win.... “

    “....If its a bad time right now its temporary and if its a good time right now, its temporary, so keep moving”



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    Emma Coburn! Steeplechase Star Nov 18, 2019
    Show notes


    0-21:00-Emma discuses the recent IAAF decision to remove events from the Diamond League https://www.athleticsweekly.com/athletics-news/triple-jump-and-200m-cut-from-2020-diamond-league-1039926366/
    USATF Annual Meeting: https://www.usatf.org/events/2019/usatf-annual-meeting-2019
    Christian Taylor and the Athletics Association https://www.athleticsweekly.com/athletics-news/christian-taylor-launches-new-athletics-association-1039926414/
    21:00- Emma runs through Doha Silver medal run and great 2019 season(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXrMSolINtU)

    24:00-We talk about her team, the Boss Ladies spend a lot of QT together

    25:30 -structure of a typical season and break
    28:00-dynamics of the Boss Ladies-how they work so well together

    30:00 Coach Joe Bossard and the making of their team
    34:00-Aisha! and their team VIBE-Let's get better together

    38:00 Why “It’s just running, babe”

    41:00 ***How Joe helped Emma get over race anxiety when she was younger***

    42:30 How Emma learned to stay healthy for the big races and consistently good every season

    46:00 Social Media: How Emma handles it with confidence and surrounds herself with things that give her joy/support/happiness

    50:00 Having a healthy balance of fun and being a dedicated athlete

    ex.) not seeing certain foods as “good” or “bad”

    55:00 Being a role model

    56:00 And we learn who some of Emma’s role models are (we know some of them! :) )

    60: Emma’s Elk Run and her werkout gear! (https://www.elkrun5k.com/)

    Shout outs to Crested Butte, Colorado: Emma’s hometown

    1:06 Emma’s story: she’s an open book! Surround yourself with joy and support

    Follow her at @emmajcoburn on twitter and @emmacoburn on instagram facebook Emmacoburnsteeples


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    Lindsay Crouse: Runner And Journalist At The New York Times Nov 09, 2019
    Show notes

    0-4:00-intro

    4:00-Lindsay is a journalist, competitive athlete and news reader and saw a disconnect with the fact that she had little interest in the sports section

    7:00 Lindsay discusses her op-eds, which are mostly side projects for her, in which she chose topics she was interested in as a female runner and journalist (such as the psychology behind an athlete’s unique situation). She was not sure many other people would resonate with them and is surprised at how wide the reach has been

    9:00-What goes into making a video op-ed,discussing how they came up with Dream Maternity Op- Ed’s style

    11:00- Alysia: Lindsay helped her validate her issues with Maternity support , similarly her journalism validated that eating disorders are a problem in many women’s sports with Mary Cain’s story


    -Dream Maternity athletes-maternity-leave.html

    -Mary Cain nike-running-mary-cain.html

    13:00- the stories have resonated with many -why? Validating, mitigating fear and isolation, and lending perspective and frame of reference around problem-issues that were once normalized

    19: Why the focus on weight over the other more impactful variables of reaching peak fitness?

    -This topic becomes a common women’s issue due to unique female physiology

    26:00-The shadow cast by a win at all cost mentality

    -Lindsay goes into more detail on the production and genesis of Mary Cain Op Ed

    - Growing a voice outside the sport could help grow the following of athletes and their sport as a whole

    32:00-Does culture at Nike need to change?

    40:00- Lindsay talks about her own running and a time when she was under fueling

    45:00-The misconception of an overly “clean” and “light “ diet being ideal and a virtue when it is in truth not providing enough energy for you to recover from and build upon your training load

    - Misconception that fitness follows weight loss
    (not mentioned but scientist Trent Stellingwerff explains this better than I can here! https://twitter.com/tstellingwerff/status/1193320543207845888?s=12 )

    49:00 What story would Lindsay like better told: broader themes, questioning current norms: who made them and what are they for, we can have higher ethical standards than “legal or illegal”


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    Nia Ali! World Champion Oct 31, 2019
    Show notes

    0-5: Ro Molly and Alysia catch up
    5:30 Nia introduces herself as the new World Champion from Doha and a Mom

    (Watch the race !)

    5:50 Nia talks being a Mom of 2, the comeback and compartmentalizing on the track

    9:00 A day in the life of Nia

    11:30 Andre De Grasse-balancing being the best as athletes/partners/parents

    17:00 bringing kids and family to team camps

    23: obstacles on Nia’s postpartum comebacks

    25: Training and RACING while pregnant-contracts etc

    -How much perception has changed in the 4 years between baby 1(Titus) and 2(Yuri)

    27-contract q

    32-Nia benefits from being more vocal about 2nd pregnancy with sponsor, but raced for first 5 months of pregnancy to keep contract

    35: how Nia found the hurdles -(was XC/3000/1500 as a youth athlete-4:43 1500 at age 11!)

    38: what part of Nia’s story is untold?-that everyone and every woman has a different journey with her own struggles

    Takes inspiration from others’ stories-even competitors

    Successful people have struggles

    42-how Nia finds inspiration

    44-Being on a team USA that is so talented

    46-Nia’s pre-race zone the night before

    48: Life as a World Champ

    51: getting back into training post baby

    57: -follow Nia on instagram @NiaAli and on twitter @itspooda

    59-end


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