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    Jordan Supercast

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    Episode 302: Herriman High Rugby Team Tackles Way to National Competition Jun 19, 2025
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    They are a fiercely talented team, a force to be reckoned with and it all happened in a very short amount of time. On this episode of the Supercast, meet the Herriman High School boys’ rugby team and find out how they have risen to become one of the premier programs in the country. In fact, this year they were competing at the very highest of levels, falling just short of a national championship. Audio Transcription Logan Youngblood:People describe rugby as a hooligans' game played by gentlemen. It's really demanding on the body. Jeff Wilson:When I started this program, I heard from those Georgia people, "You can't win national championships and compete at this level at a single school, public school." I take great pleasure in proving people wrong. [Music] Anthony Godfrey:Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. They are a fiercely talented team and a force to be reckoned with. On this episode of the Supercast, meet the Herriman High School Boys Rugby Club Team and find out how they have risen to become one of the premier programs in the country. In fact, this year they were competing at the highest level, falling just short of a national championship. [Music] Anthony Godfrey:We're at Herriman High School today talking with three members of the Herriman Rugby Team who just took second in nationals. Introduce yourself and tell us how many years you've been playing rugby. Logan Youngblood:I am Logan Youngblood and I've been playing rugby for about nine years. Ryker Seidel:I'm Ryker Seidel and this was my seventh year of playing rugby. Lucky Fishiipeau:And I'm Lucky Fishiipeau and I've been playing rugby for 12 years. Anthony Godfrey:Tell me about the journey to taking second in the nation. When does your season start and how many region and state games did you have to play to qualify? Ryker Seidel:So our season starts about the end of February, kind of the beginning of March. We have our first tournament down in St. George. That's more preseason stuff so it's not super effective on our real in-season schedule. But right as we get back from that we start our season and then each Saturday we play a game against other single school teams in Utah. And we pretty much have like I'd say eight weeks of games and then the week following that we go into the playoffs. And then you play two playoff games and then to make it into the finals. But this season we actually lost the first round in playoffs so we just use that as motivation throughout practice before we went to nationals just to really work hard and better ourselves for the national tournament in Oak Heart, Indiana. Anthony Godfrey:How many games did you play at the national level? How does that work? Ryker Seidel:So we played three games. It's kind of like a single-round elimination. It's pretty much you play your first game and then you advance to the next day. It's a game each day in three days. But yeah, I know it's hard. I've never been so beat up from a tournament before. Games alone actually. But yeah, you just got to keep winning, fight to live another day. Anthony Godfrey:You talked about single school teams. Are there some teams that come from multiple schools just so that they can get an adequate number of players to compete? Logan Youngblood:Yeah, so actually a lot of the teams in our league this year they were not single schools. They were a bunch of club schools so we have Lane Christian Academy, American Fork and those are like teams full. All together, I think there's eight teams between those two teams. So there is a Nationals for the club division and that is multi-school. Anthony Godfrey:Now rugby is a club sport here but there are other pockets in the nation where you're going to see a lot more rugby. So I would assume it's a little bit intimidating to go to the national level and a really big deal to place the way that you did. Lucky Fishiipeau:Yeah, it's exactly as you said. It is a really big deal just to go to Nationals. It's the top eight teams in the nation based on rankings from a couple of sources and one is Goff Rugby. And it's a hard thing to do, to rank that high in the nation especially as a single school because you only have so many kids to choose from. Whereas multi-school, you have plenty of kids from different schools. I know a couple examples of where there are teams that go out and recruit players from different schools to play for them and they don't actually have to go to that school to play for them. Anthony Godfrey:So it's kind of stacked and it's difficult to go up against that but you guys have been very successful. Why do you think you've been so successful this year as a team? What is it about this year? Ryker Seidel:I would say it's the bonding we’ve had and our coaches. A lot of us have been playing with each other since our sixth grade year so we're all best friends. At the beginning of the year, we didn't really start as best friends but towards the end of the year we really built together and we really built up the connection that we have with each other. So I feel like that's a big part of how we play and why we play so good together. Logan Youngblood:Just to add on that, I think part of the motivation on the field is just having such a good bond with your brothers that it's like you know you're going to battle with each other. And when you love your brothers enough it really just, you'll put your body on the line for each other and it makes you play harder for one another. Lucky Fishiipeau:And even to add on to that, Ryker mentioned us all being brothers. That's one thing that's special about Herriman Rugby is we all consider each other a brother and all of us would go to war for each other on the rugby pitch. Anthony Godfrey:Tell me, what have you learned from your coach this year and through the years that you've worked with him? Ryker Seidel:Honestly, just to trust one another. He puts his trust in us through these years. He puts the trust in us to start the games and go to battle because we don't have a coach on the field telling us what plays to do, how to do things. We have a practice Monday or Tuesday through Friday and then Saturday it's on us to perform what they've taught us. Logan Youngblood:Yeah, I'd say the biggest thing I've learned from these coaches throughout the years is just how to keep going through and persevering when times really get hard because I mean rugby is hard alone but life is also probably harder. Anthony Godfrey:If you don’t know, you'll find out probably. I don't know how hard rugby is. Lucky Fishiipeau:Building off of what both of them said, we're given the tools but we have to use them ourselves and then they've really taught us how to be men in life and just champions. Anthony Godfrey:That doesn't happen automatically. Just because you're in the same place at the same time doesn't mean that you suddenly become brothers and you rely on each other and you look out for each other. That's coaching and that's the heart that you bring to the game, so that's really exciting to see that that's happened. You talked about sacrificing your body for each other. Rugby just seems, to someone who's never played it, I've watched it a couple of times, it seems absolutely chaotic and very primal. There's no protective equipment, you just get in there and do whatever you have to do. Am I correct about that? Tell me a little bit about what it's like to play. Logan Youngblood:People describe rugby as a hooligans' game played by gentlemen. It's really demanding on the body. It's a really rough sport but just the respect that comes out of it, after one of our games at Nationals, we actually had a meal with the opposing team that we just beat up on, which just goes to show that it's bigger than just a sport. It's like a way to bring people together and just have fun and just be boys. Anthony Godfrey:What made each of you, what drew each of you to rugby initially with all the sports that are available out there, why rugby in particular? You like the shape of the ball, you thought. This is different from the shape of others, I'm going to go with this one. Ryker Seidel:It's actually funny because before I started rugby I was so set on playing football but I actually have an older brother who played rugby and I just remember watching him play and it just looked so fun to me. Being at that age you're not fully developed but I felt like I really had developed a love for this sport. Just throughout the years my love grew and grew for this sport and I've never been able to drop it. Logan Youngblood:It's actually funny because I used to live in these apartments and there were these two dudes, named is Gabe and Mafi. They're just tossing a really funny ball in the air and I was like, "What is this?" Little me went up to them and was like, "What is this?" They're like, "Rugby, you should come play. We played for Herriman." Ever since then my older brother and I, we've been playing since we were little kids. Lucky Fishiipeau:I really have to thank all my success throughout rugby to my older brother. He started playing I think when he was in eighth grade. I'd always been a kid who played soccer so I was far from rugby but he really kept pushing me but first couple of years I always denied it and then finally I just gave it a try and then fell in love with the sport. Anthony Godfrey:You're all seniors, what's next? Rugby wise or otherwise? Logan Youngblood:Honestly, either going to school or trade, not sure if rugby is in the future but maybe if I go to BYU that's where I'll play. Ryker Seidel:Yeah, pretty much same as Logan, I think rugby as of now is kind of unrealistic but I would love to see it in my future. Lucky Fishiipeau:Just like them, I'd love to see rugby in my future but right after high school I'll be serving a mission and then hopefully college. Anthony Godfrey:To a rugby friendly country, I hope? Lucky Fishiipeau:Hopefully in New Zealand. Anthony Godfrey:Up next we'll talk with the coach of the Herriman High School Boys Rugby Club Team. [music] Male Voice:Never miss an episode of the Supercast by liking and subscribing on your favorite podcasting platform. Find transcripts for this episode and others at supercast.jordandistrict.org. [music] Sandy Riesgraf:Hello, I'm Sandy Riesgraf, Director of Communications for Jordan School District and we want to invite you to connect with us. So many exciting things are happening in your child's school, your neighbor's school, in every school here every day. Don't miss out on following the fun or simply staying informed when there's important information we need to share. Join us at JordanDistrict.org or follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram @JordanDistrict. We can't wait to connect. Anthony Godfrey:Let's talk with your coach. Tell us a little bit about your time here, introduce yourself and your role at Herriman High. Jeff Wilson:My name is Jeff Wilson. I am an OG at Herriman High School. I was hired actually before the building was built. So I've been here from day one and was an assistant football coach, which I'm now back to being an assistant football coach again. And in my interview I asked Mr. Birch, actually Mr. Park, at the time I asked Mr. Park about starting a rugby team here and wanting to spearhead that. I had coached for 10 years previously with the old Highland program and had kind of decided it was, that next challenge was to start a program of my own and see what I could do with it. So I got that going year one and it's just grown ever since. So this will be, they all run together now. I think it's year 25 or 26 coaching. Anthony Godfrey:We're thrilled to have you. Herriman Rugby's had a great reputation from day one. Jeff Wilson:For whatever reason, our league decided this year that we as a single school team should play in a league with the club teams. Which it makes about as much sense as saying, well your high school soccer or volleyball team is going to play in a league with the club teams because we're tired of beating up on all the school teams. Which you know, so it's, you're playing against really what would have become all-star teams with the multi-school club teams. And we'll compete well with them and we'll win a lot of those games and so forth. But it's certainly different with your kids winning from one school, right? But I think one advantage that that gives us is that I think it means a little bit more to them to represent their school and to feel like, and they play other sports together and they grow up together and that definitely helps strengthen that bond. And then when we get to Nationals, really every school there's a private school. Which means they have artsy status at their school. They're extremely well funded. All three of our opponents that we've played, Gonzaga, we beat the first round who's the seven time champion. And Xavier who's won some national championships and then St. Ignatius in the finals. All three of them have a very similar structure. They all have 20 plus paid coaches. Myself and all my coaches are volunteers. They all have these massive budgets, not only for operating their team, but for travel. They all three went and toured Europe during the season with just, again, their private school money. Which I mean, good for, I'm not, you know, criticizing, it's great for them. Anthony Godfrey:You didn't tour Europe? Jeff Wilson:We went to Montana. Anthony Godfrey:Okay, well, you know, Montana's prettier in some ways. Jeff Wilson:It is, it is. They're both beautiful. We don't use any of those things as excuses but we do use those as motivation and maybe have a little chip on our shoulder to want to prove ourselves a little bit and say, "Hey, we don't have all of these advantages and we're still competing with you and in a lot of cases beating you." So, because our starting point is a little bit different, it makes it that much more special to see what these kids have accomplished for sure. Anthony Godfrey:Having a chip on your shoulder as standard equipment isn't a bad thing that motivates you, that moves you forward. Jeff Wilson:Absolutely, absolutely. I, you know, I have a coaching chip on my shoulder because I grew up with a coach and my father is a very good coach who I learned a lot from but I do have a little bit of chip on my shoulder to try and prove myself as well to be me and not just somebody's son, right? So, that certainly drives me. Anthony Godfrey:I'm curious, what is it about this team that's so special? Jeff Wilson:Well, these, I think it starts with these three guys as captains and the leadership they provide and really that closeness, that brotherhood is something that we do preach and is a big part of our culture but that culture is only as good as the custodians of that which are our young men. So, really that brotherhood is intentional from them. Just a kind of a quick example of the impact they have. So, I have two sons in the program, one's a ninth grader, one's a tenth grader and they've grown up around these guys and they've hung out with them at practice and now they play on a team with them which is, it makes me feel old. But they will talk about all three of these young men in terms of, only how much they look up to them but in terms of they're the first guys to make them…

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    Episode 301: Building School Pride with “Battle of the Grades” at Fort Herriman Middle School Jun 12, 2025
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    They are putting school pride firmly in the hands of students and building strong connections at the same time at Fort Herriman Middle School. On this episode of the Supercast, hear why “Battle of the Grades” has become a big hit throughout the entire year at Fort Herriman. It is a battle resulting in a big win for everyone, with students taking care of one another and taking greater pride in their school. Audio Transcription Creed Jensen:I feel like it really has united this school and I feel like it's just been a fun time seeing our peers work together and just competing in a friendly way. Aly Law:Our main goal was “how do we take this unique little spot and still have a positive school culture?” Zachary Workman:I love that we have gradually turned the reins over more and more to the students. It's really flourished under their leadership. [Music] Anthony Godfrey:Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. They are putting school pride firmly in the hands of students and building strong connections at the same time at Fort Herriman Middle School. On this episode of the Supercast, hear why Battle of the Grades has become a huge hit throughout the entire year at Fort Herriman. It is a battle resulting in a big win for everyone and students taking care of one another and taking greater pride in their school. [Music] Anthony Godfrey:We are at Fort Herriman Middle School talking to three members of the faculty on a very big day here at Fort Herriman. Introduce yourself and tell us why we're here. Aly Law:My name is Aly Law. I'm a counselor and today we have our big Battle of the Grades assembly. Madi FeistI'm Madi Feist, the SBO Advisor. Zachary Workman:I'm Zachary Workman, a humble Spanish teacher but somehow involved in this shenanigans. Anthony Godfrey:And tell us, for those who are uninformed, I just walked in on it last time and I had to be part of it this time around. I texted the principal to find out exactly when it was happening again because it looked so fun. Tell me about what's involved today. Aly Law:This started a few years ago with a student engagement committee that was formed in our leadership meeting that was designed to help kids feel a sense of belonging to the school to find their place. And we figured some friendly competition within the grades would be a great way to do it. So today's assembly is all about some fun games, competition between grades to build some culture in our school. Anthony Godfrey:And as I noticed before, it seems like there's a lot of preparation that goes into this. Can you tell us, Madi, a little bit about some of the games that are included today? Madi FeistYes, I'd love to. Today we are doing a lot of games. Our theme for the day is ‘Cars.’ Disney Cars. Our school theme this year is “you're in the driver's seat” helping students realize that they drive their own life. So our student body officers decided that ‘Cars’ was so fitting for that. So we will start our day with a mattress slide called the Lightning Speedway, “which I believe you will be participating in. Anthony Godfrey:First, I thought I was going to get to kind of warm up a little bit. I will be wearing the suit. I was going to wear more athletic shoes for it, but I thought, you know, I need an excuse for if things go badly. Well, it was. Madi FeistBlame it on the shoes. Blame it on the shoes. Anthony Godfrey:Right. Exactly. Madi FeistYou are fourth in the relay. So you will have some . . . Anthony Godfrey:Oh, so I get to watch the technique. Does fourth in the relay mean that I'm on the tail end? Madi FeistThat does mean that you, yeah, that's a big spot. Anthony Godfrey:I didn't want to say anchor, but yes, I'm the anchor. Okay. Well, I'm excited. The adrenaline is pumping. Madi FeistOh great. As it should be. Anthony Godfrey:Now tell us about some of the other events. Madi FeistAnother game that we're going to do today is a spinoff of Keepy Uppy or keeping the balloon up in the air, but instead. Anthony Godfrey:Keepy Uppy Madi FeistYes. Anthony Godfrey:I know what kind of name. Now I know. Madi FeistWell, that was coined by. Anthony Godfrey:Is that, was that a Bluey reference? Madi FeistYes. Anthony Godfrey:Well, my kids are beyond Bluey age, I'm afraid. Madi FeistSuch a bummer. Anthony Godfrey:Yeah. Madi FeistSo Keepy Uppy, but instead they'll be holding up boxes with road signs in them and you're trying to knock down other people's road signs while keeping up your own road signs. So our final four standing, we'll all get points. So that'll be great. And then we have a Wiggle Grand Prix. Have you ever seen those Wiggle cars? Anthony Godfrey:Oh, yes. Madi FeistSo we have four of those. And so that'll be a relay as well across the gym. Anthony Godfrey:You know, I'm feeling really good about being part of the mattress relay. Wiggle car, I think would be disastrous. Madi FeistOkay. And then the pit crew pin challenge, we'll have some inflatable bowling pins set up. They're giant. And then a student or in the teacher's case, a teacher will be on a, what would you call that? It was like little four-wheeled carts. Anthony Godfrey:Oh. Madi FeistThey're using gym class. Anthony Godfrey:The well-known gym class. Madi FeistSo tiny. And they will be on that and the teammate will push them into the pin. Anthony Godfrey:I sure remember running over my finger in middle school holding onto that cart. Is anyone run over your hand on that cart? Right there. Right there. Painful, right? You'll never forget. Now, tell me your involvement. You're trying to pretend like you're an innocent bystander, but I think you're more involved than you're letting on. Zachary Workman:Just to Ali's point from the get-go, our main concern as a school is “how do we get more buy-in from more students?” There are a lot of social demographics that we don't typically reach. I think schooling can often cater to a certain group of straight-laced, well-behaved, academically inclined kids. And we wanted everyone to feel seen and valued. So as a member of that committee, we just did a lot of brainstorming a few years ago. What kind of things can we do to get this kind of competitive participation that would get everyone excited? I love that we have gradually turned the reins over more and more to the students. I think that was really the goal that we began with. We had to start it as faculty, but as you can see from this room full of students, they've really bought in and it's really flourished under their leadership. Anthony Godfrey:They have dressed in the right colors. They have handprints of paint all over their bodies. Mustaches that I think are fake, but maybe he grew that over the three-day weekend. I don't know. But they're geared up. Oh, there's another mustache. Who knows? It's everywhere. Aly Law:Middle school is such a unique place for students. There is a lot of culture development that goes into the high school that a lot of students cling to their high school. A lot. And even our students cling to their future high school because those are the sports teams they play on. That's what they're excited about in the future. Elementary school has a lot going on because it's their first experience with school, but middle school is this unique little spot. Our main goal was how do we take this unique little spot and still have a positive school culture and still have school pride? Anthony Godfrey:Yeah, I love that. Being very intentional about it, saying this is a need. This is something we know is missing. How do we make everyone feel connected to the school? You've touched on it a little bit, but what is the outcome that you hope? What is the result you hope for for students after doing this throughout the year? Aly Law:I think the biggest goal is just that they take pride in a few areas. One is their grade and their peers and the group that they belong to. The second would be their school. This started in the height of some TikTok famous vandalism. We had kids that were just being a little too free in the bathrooms with some vandalism. We really wanted them to feel pride in their school, physically, academically, just be involved. So pride in themselves, pride in their grade, pride in their school, pride in their community, and just belonging. Anthony Godfrey:Well, I was impressed at how intense the focus was during that event when I wandered into it. I was here for another event, for another meeting, and walked down and couldn't resist it. I had to stay in and I was late for my next event because I needed to see as much of it as possible. I did get to see the mattress race. What's it called exactly? What is my fate today? Aly Law:Today we are calling it Lightning Speedway. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, the Lightning Speedway. Aly Law:Yeah. Anthony Godfrey:Okay, very good. Madi FeistI'd like to add into that. I think another goal is for them to see their teachers in a different light. We out food the teachers in every competition. We get to have fun with them and engage in them in a different way. And I think they get to A, know teachers so that they wouldn't have classes in and see their teachers in different ways. Anthony Godfrey:And how do teachers and students get selected for this opportunity? Madi FeistJust one specifically, this battle of the grade, we sent out a Google form and students could elect and then they were chosen. Same with teachers. In the past it's just been raise your hand if you're interested or we've tried a bunch of different methods. So they're still selected. Anthony Godfrey:As the momentum continues though, you have to modify those methods. So who's going to win today? Which grade? Madi FeistSweet. Students:Ninth grade. Anthony Godfrey:Okay, it's clear. I don't know who's going to win. Let's say, I think it's going to be the faculty. Stay with us when we come back. More from the students and staff at Fort Herriman Middle School. [Music] Male voice:Never miss an episode of The Supercast by liking and subscribing on your favorite podcasting platform. Find transcripts for this episode and others at supercast.jordandistrict.org. [Music] Female voice:Does your student want to become a veterinarian, commercial pilot, programmer? Maybe they want to make a difference as a dental assistant. These are just some of the programs offered as part of Career and Technical Education. CTE in Jordan School District. CTE provides the technical skills needed to prepare students for future employment or for a successful transition to post-secondary education. Career and Technical Education provides work-based learning opportunities. We partner with industry experts to offer apprenticeships and internships with students working in the real world at real jobs while going to school. The CTE experience starts in our elementary schools with the Kids' Marketplace and grows through middle and high school. To explore all CTE has to offer in Jordan School District, visit cte.jordandistrict.org today and let's get your child started on the pathway to a profession. Anthony Godfrey:Let's talk with some of the Student Body Officers here at Fort Herriman. Tell us your name, grade, and your position, and what you're most excited about today. Creed Jensen:I'm Creed Jensen. I'm an 8th grade SBO and for the position of this assembly, I was told to choose the games for this one and the past assembly. I think I'm most excited for the mattress slide. Kids get really passionate about it. To get super competitive in just a fun environment to be in. Anthony Godfrey:Okay, great. No pressure. How about for you? Addy Simmons:My name is Addy Simmons. I'm a 9th grade SBO and I'm really excited just about being able to end this year with a bang for this assembly. Having all the students cheering each other on, having school pride, and just having a good time. Harrison Whittle:I'm Harrison Whittle. I'm a 7th grade SBO and I'm really excited for this assembly. I think my favorite game that we're going to do is the Wiggle Grand Prix, which is the wiggle cart one. My position in this assembly was making some height videos and instructional videos along with a lot of other people. Anthony Godfrey:Is there a lightning race instructional video? There really is? Okay, I'm going to watch it. Harrison Whittle:There is. Anthony Godfrey:Okay, this is my time to shine. What has the impact been of seeing these competitions throughout the year and throughout your time at Fort Herriman? What has it done for you and for other students? Creed Jensen:I feel like it's really just showed me that even though middle school can sometimes be like a hard time, I feel like it's showed me that you can just bring all the kids together over like small games that don't mean very much and it just like, I feel like it really is united the school and I feel like it's just been a fun time seeing our peers work together and just competing in a friendly way. Anthony Godfrey:Be united is one part of my theme, my motto for the District ever since I became superintendent. So I love hearing that, that it makes people feel connected with each other. Addy Simmons:I just feel like even though a lot of times the students leading up to the assemblies don't seem super excited because you know they have to act cool for their friends, but when it starts you can see that all of them start getting into it and they want their grade to win and they're peeking around each other's heads so they can see what's going on and it's just fun to see everybody kind of being kids and having a good time. Anthony Godfrey:I like the way you describe that. I saw people losing their cool when I was here before, just going nuts for their team so I can't wait to see it again. Harrison Whittle:I personally think that especially at the end of the year or over the start of Christmas break when we did our Denvac kid backwards, it helps them want to come to school and want to have fun since they know it's coming and they don't want to miss out on any part of it. Anthony Godfrey:They don't want to miss out. You want to be here, you want to be a part of it and that's really important. We've got you eight hours a day, every weekday almost. I really love that this is something to look forward to and something really exciting. I also love your mustache I have to say. The mustache and the green vest, you really look like a construction worker I just ran into it Maverik when I stopped for a drink. This is a good look for you. You ought to consider growing that mustache over the summer. Stay with it. Stay with it. Well, give me predictions. What's going to happen in the competition today? What's the analysis? Creed Jensen:I don't know. I feel like ninth grade is definitely coming in with the upper hand, with being up with the points. But I feel like eighth grade, we got a pretty strong roster for these games. I feel like we can come back. Seventh grade, they're just far behind. I just don't see the comeback in them. I don't know. It's like they got lots of hard competition. Anthony Godfrey:You acknowledge your current position but there's hope. Creed Jensen:Yeah, for sure. Anthony Godfrey:But you've written off the seventh graders. I don't know. I think that could be dangerous. Creed Jensen:Yeah, I don't know. Seventh graders, huh. I don't know. Anthony Godfrey:These are advanced seventh graders. They're at the end of their seventh grade time. They're almost you. What do you thinks g…

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    Episode 300: What It’s Like to Teach Side by Side with a Former Student? Jun 05, 2025
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    It is a full circle moment for two former students and their teachers at Rose Creek Elementary School. On this episode of the Supercast, listen as the former students are reunited with the teachers they grew to love in elementary school. They are reunited as co-workers, now teaching side by side in classrooms at Rose Creek. It is a story that speaks to the life-long impact a good teacher can have on his or her students, leading to lasting friendship and future success. Audio Transcription Rebecca Chandler:I was so lucky to have this amazing little girl in my class named Sariah, and wouldn't you know it, she interviewed for our school kindergarten position last year. Sariah Schmelter:She really was a great teacher and set the mood right off the bat for me and I just grew up knowing I was gonna be a teacher. [Music] Anthony Godfrey:Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. It is a full-circle moment for two former students and their teachers at Rose Creek Elementary School. On this episode of the Supercast, listen as former students are reunited with the teachers they grew to love in elementary school. They are reunited as co-workers, now teaching side-by-side in classrooms at Rose Creek. It is a story that speaks to the lifelong impact a good teacher can have on his or her students, leading to lasting friendship and future success. [Music] Anthony Godfrey:Talking now with two kindergarten teachers at Rose Creek Elementary. Introduce yourselves and how you know each other. Rebecca Chandler:Well, my name is Rebecca Chandler and I have been a teacher for 14 years in Jordan School District; took a little bit time off in the middle for about six years before returning back to teaching. I know this teacher when I started teaching at Hayden Peak Elementary in kindergarten and it was my second year teaching and I was so lucky to have this amazing little girl in my class named Sariah. And, wouldn't you know it, she interviewed for our school kindergarten position last year. Wow. Sariah Schmelter:I'm Sariah Schmelter. This is my first year teaching here at Rose Creek and I'm teaching kindergarten, and like Becca mentioned, I had Becca as a kindergarten teacher which was amazing. One of the reasons I actually wanted to come to Rose Creek was because I remembered how amazing she was as my teacher and I knew that she would be a good leader and mentor to me. Anthony Godfrey:You just called your kindergarten teacher ‘Becca’ twice. So how long did it take for you to get used to that or are you used to it yet? Sariah Schmelter:It was really weird, especially around my family, because my younger sister actually had her the year after. She to this day is still my mom's favorite teacher and so we always talk about Miss Chandler, Miss Chandler, Miss Chandler. So when I started calling her Becca, my mom's like “wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! This doesn't make sense.” Yeah, it's taken a while. Anthony Godfrey:I remember that as I have maintained contact with some students that I taught as well, they called me Godfrey for a while like they would drop the beginning. They finally called me by my first name a few times but I think it's still uncomfortable for them. Thirty years later, they still do, you know. It's ingrained, it's ingrained. Now you taught or you sought out the opportunity to teach with your kindergarten teacher. Tell me about that. Sariah Schmelter:Yeah, so I was just looking for jobs last year and I would do like a little bit of snooping, I guess, through the websites for each school, and just kind of seeing who's teaching there because I had a couple friends that taught at different schools. Anthony Godfrey:And it makes a difference who you're teaching with. Sariah Schmelter:It does, it really does. You want to be with people that you know will support you and and lead you. So when I saw Becca on there I was kind of like mind-blowing because for some reason, I thought she moved out of the state, which I don't know why I thought that. Anthony Godfrey:We have a lot of myths about our teachers in our mind, that they never go to the grocery store, or yeah, exactly. Sariah Schmelter:Yeah, so I remember I saw her there and I like took a picture of like my computer screen. I sent it to my sister, was like, Miss Chandler still teaching! Then she's like, “that's so crazy!” So I applied and when I got to interview, it was, it just felt right and so yeah, it's been fun. Anthony Godfrey:That's fantastic. What was it about her that made you want to teach with her? Sariah Schmelter:She just I always remember her as being one of my favorite teachers. She was just always so kind and patient and I really enjoyed kindergarten. Because I wanted to be a kindergarten teacher, I knew that having a good kindergarten teacher that like I had already experienced be my leader and be my mentor was going to be a great option for me. So that's one of the main reasons that that I kind of sought out this position over some other ones. Anthony Godfrey:And just for context for our readers who may be more advanced in years, what year did you go to kindergarten? Sariah Schmelter:Oh, let's see. Okay, it was 2006 to 7. Anthony Godfrey:2006, 7 in kindergarten and now in your first year of teaching. You’re a very young teacher at the time. Becca, tell me about the experience of realizing that you're gonna get to teach with your former student. Rebecca Chandler:Oh, it was so fun. I didn't I'll be honest I didn't recognize her right off the bat but as soon as she asked if I had taught at Hayden Peak and she told me her name. I she didn't have to tell me her last name. I just knew it right away, oh my gosh, and I remember your little sister, Nicole. It's like I could just see their little faces exactly. Then once I realized that, I'm like oh I can totally see you just as a little five-year-old. I just remember them being just both so sweet and kind to everybody. It just took me right back. It was such a wonderful time for me teaching there and just starting my career and everything. One of the things was our community was so great and my students were amazing and so it was just, just a flood of memories and it was just so fun to be back. Anthony Godfrey:She's tall for five years old. Rebecca Chandler:She's tall for five years old. Anthony Godfrey:And very accomplished. Rebecca Chandler:Just like a parent, you don’t like it when they get taller than you. [laughing] Anthony Godfrey:Your kindergarten student has outgrown you but she hasn't outgrown learning from you, I'm sure. What are some of the things that you have picked up from Becca that have really helped you as a teacher? Sariah Schmelter:I don't even know where to begin. There have been so many things especially as a first-year teacher that I'm still learning and developing. Becca's been amazing and has come in and observed me several times and has helped me kind of figure out what I need to work towards especially, in like student engagement which can be sometimes be hard. I feel like that's one of the main things I've learned from her but also just how to be like kind and empathetic. She's an amazing teacher and her students love her. I mean,, I still love her like from a student perspective and her kids will come in during Walk to Read time and they're just like, “oh, we love Miss Chandler,” and like, “I love Miss Chandler, too.” So just learning how to be kind and empathetic to the kids so that you form that connection so they can have that healthy learning environment. I think that's one of the biggest things I've learned. Anthony Godfrey:That's wonderful! Tell me what you love most about teaching kindergarten. Rebecca Chandler:Oh, I don't even know where to start. Probably because I just find it so satisfying. What I mean by that is they come in just babies. I mean, they are babies. I still remember my kids that that little and I just couldn't imagine sending them off. So their parents are trusting us to have them and nourish them and teach them. It's just so satisfying to watch them come in, and while some may know how to read and things like that, they still don't know a lot about how school works. So to see the amount of growth from the beginning of the year to the end of year is incredible. I'm sure other grades see that too, but for me it feels just even more spectacular in kindergarten. Anthony Godfrey:It is something different when you're teaching students how to be in school but you're also teaching parents sometimes how to have kids in school. Tell me about what that's like. Sariah Schmelter:I feel very fortunate I have some amazing parents this year who seek out advice and really follow things. We work together as a team and so that's been really awesome. But yeah, I think there definitely is that learning curve when especially I have a lot of first kids. Anthony Godfrey:So first-time parents. first-time students, Sariah Schmelter:Yes, yeah, exactly, and but again I feel very fortunate that they they're willing to work with me. We talk about their students and how we can help them in class. They're just very open and willing to learn and grow and I'm open to it or an open and willing to learn and grow, so I think it's just been a good experience. They've all done really well. Rebecca Chandler:It is it is really fun to see some of these first-time parents because they I feel like are more nervous than the kindergartners. It is an extra responsibility to try and ease them into the into the role of being a parent of an elementary school student. Sometimes it takes a lot of time and training but overall, this is a great community. Anthony Godfrey:A kindergarten teacher I spoke with a couple of months ago told me about how they consider the parents on the first day of kindergarten like the paparazzi taking all these pictures, getting all the photos, and then like you said, they trust their child to come in and that's a big responsibility. When I came into your class Becca, it was obvious what a great teacher you are because the processes for getting kids in, seated, accounted for, lunches, all the procedures are there. I think that's really comforting to a kid to know to know how this works. I'm coming in, I'm part of this. You know everyone knows their place and what to do but they also get to be themselves. Rebecca Chandler:For sure. You know that you always learn and it's, I mean it, you will notice this in real life that behavior to how to manage behavior will always start with routines and procedures and I am a firm believer of that. My students, we work so hard on those routines that on the days that we have to vary sometimes they are so well trained in just their muscle memory, they're like Pavlov's dogs and they'll just do whatever; and I'm like wait, wait, wait! But we're changing today and they are just so used to the routine and the procedure that it's hard for them to even switch, but it makes our day go so much better. Anthony Godfrey:What it does is it creates time for learning to happen and for those positive interactions to happen. I've always been impressed by the way that elementary teachers in particular are able to set up those routines and you learned a lot from Becca about that just from what you described. Sariah Schmelter:Yeah, for sure I've learned a lot about routine and procedure. I've been able to observe her class as well and kind of see how she formulates her day, how she does transitions. Those can be really hard for kids when you're all the sudden transitioning from the carpet to the table. They want to kind of talk with their neighbor and they get lost in time. But I'm watching the things that Becca does. Sometimes she'll have them like have a task to do while they're going to their table or something like that, so it kind of keeps those kids engaged and in learning while they're transitioning. I've seen some really positive effects from doing stuff like that. Anthony Godfrey:You give them a great launch. Look at the launch that you gave her. Rebecca Chandler:She's given me a lot of credit, but she is one of the most incredible first-year teachers I have ever seen. In my observations, I've all made notes about, I love that, I'm gonna steal that idea. So, I even made a couple of notes and then I've used them in my classroom. My students have really loved it. So she's given me a lot of credit but she needs to give herself credit because she really is an amazing first-year teacher. Anthony Godfrey:I talked to a lot of teachers and it's really obvious what a great teacher you are right out of the gate, so I hope you have many years ahead in Jordan District. You have as many as you want, but it's a real thrill to talk with both of you and enjoy celebrating this year of progress that your kindergartners have had. You've given them a great start. [music] Anthony Godfrey:Stay with us when we come back as we talk with Stacy Marshall and Riley Butterfield, teacher and student who became a teacher. [music] Male voice:Never miss an episode of the Supercast by liking and subscribing on your favorite podcasting platform. Find transcripts for this episode and others at supercast.jordandistrict.org. Sandy Riesgraf:Are you looking for a job right now? Looking to work in a fun and supportive environment with great pay and a rewarding career? Jordan School District is hiring. We're currently filling full and part-time positions. You can work and make a difference in young lives and education as a classroom assistant or a substitute teacher. Apply to work in one of our school cafeterias where our lunch staff serves up big smiles with great food every day. We're also looking to hire custodians and bus drivers. In Jordan School District we like to say, “people come for the job and enjoy the adventure!” Apply today at employment.jordandistrict.org. Anthony Godfrey:We're here with two teachers at Rose Creek Elementary. Go ahead and introduce yourselves and then we'll talk a little bit about how long you've known each other and why. Stacy Marshall:My name is Stacy Marshall and I taught Riley in kindergarten in 2002, so that’s why we are here. Riley Butterfield:I'm Riley Butterfield and I am now here at Rose Creek for my second year of teaching. Anthony Godfrey:Riley, the former kindergartner, what do you remember about being in that kindergarten class? Riley Butterfield:Honestly, I don't remember a whole lot just because that feels so long ago now. Anthony Godfrey:It’s a long time ago. Riley Butterfield:Yeah, I just remember having so much fun. She really was a great teacher and set the mood right off the bat for me and I just grew up knowing I was gonna be a teacher. Anthony Godfrey:So you knew the way that it felt to be in her class. How did it feel to be in her class? Riley Butterfield:She made it a very loving environment, fun, welcoming, made sure that everyone was, you know, greeted and then sent off in a good way. Anthony Godfrey:Did it feel organized? Riley Butterfield:Oh year. She's always been organized. Anthony Godfrey:The reason I ask that is I know she's highly organized and has the processes, has the procedures. Do you think there's a little bit of her teaching DNA that has inhabited the way that you run your first-grade classes? Riley Butterfield:I would hope so. I try to be as organized as I possibly can and I think there's a little influence there. Anthony Godfrey:How many years have you been teaching now? Riley Butterfield:This is my second year.…

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    Episode 299: Students ‘Rockin It’ at River’s Edge School in Brand New Band May 29, 2025
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    You could say students are really ‘rockin it’ at River’s Edge School this year. On this episode of the Supercast, find out how music in a brand-new school band is enriching the educational experience for students at River’s Edge and how teachers are taking note, loving the experience as well. Audio Transcription Melanie Dawson:What's really tapped into developing skills that they may have already had somewhat, but to really expand that and give them this connection to school that might they might not have had before; something that they love and they love to come here for. Eddie:I was mad one day, so I just wrote a song. Anthony Godfrey:Yeah? Eddie:About how I was feeling. Anthony Godfrey:And when you wrote that song did you feel better after that? Eddie:Yeah, definitely. [Music] Anthony Godfrey:Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. You could say students are really rocking it at River's Edge School this year. On this episode of the Supercast, find out how music in a brand new school band is enriching the educational experience for students at River's Edge and how teachers are taking note, loving the experiences. [Music] Anthony Godfrey:We're here at River's Edge School talking with the principal. Tell us a little bit about the school and introduce yourself. Melanie Dawson:Hi, my name is Melanie Dawson. This is my third year as principal. I've been here six years as an administrator. River's Edge School is a school serving the students in the District who need the most intense social, emotional and behavioral support. They come here through a placement process and we have a lot of supports that exist throughout our building where we can provide them what they need and I take very seriously that this is their opportunity, not only to get some behavioral supports, but also this is where they get their education. So really making sure that we have as high quality and rigorous classes for them, so that the time they spend in our building, they are being educated at the highest levels possible. Anthony Godfrey:This is where students go to receive the most intensive support for social and emotional needs and behavior issues. Is that correct? Melanie Dawson:Correct. That is the population that we serve and they all come to us for a variety of reasons. We serve elementary through high school, so that is one thing that makes us unique. We have smaller numbers than they have at typical schools, but we have a huge breadth of the things that we do and the programs that we provide since we serve all ages. Anthony Godfrey:And a K-12 school means that you, exactly as you described, need to provide support for lots of different ages, stages of development, lots of very unique needs based on a lot of things in that child's life. Melanie Dawson:Absolutely. Absolutely. That is one thing that makes us unique, and that's one thing I absolutely love about my job at River's Edge. Because we have a small number of students, we also have a smaller staff than is typical, but our ratio of staff to student is actually quite high, so these students can receive an individualized education. Our teachers have to do a lot of flexing. Sometimes they'll be teaching an elementary class at one point in their day but then they might be teaching a high school class and there's a whole lot of variety and change even from period to period and year to year for our staff. Anthony Godfrey:You have to be ready for anything basically. Melanie Dawson:Yes, in more ways than one. Anthony Godfrey:There are some misunderstandings about River's Edge, and so I'm glad you laid it out so clearly. Some people think it's only secondary, first of all, and some may not realize that there is mainstreaming that goes on. Tell me about that. Melanie Dawson:Oh absolutely. I mean I view our top priority, priority one, is to stabilize students’ behavior with our supports. But one B, not two, one B is to get them back out to a mainstream opportunity so that they can be educated around typical peers to the extent that they are ready. And that looks different than it looks at other schools. I mean other schools that might have some type of a special ed program they can usually walk a kid across the hall for some kind of a class and they have a lot more access to what that mainstream environment is. But my team we are really working with any school across the District to mainstream a child and trying to coordinate what those services and what those supports look like to foster success as much as possible. And our goal is that when a student is ready to not need River's Edge, we hope that they're able to move on to another school as a more permanent placement. It doesn't always look that way but this is where we take it individual case by case based on what a student is ready for. Anthony Godfrey:And the point is that so for mainstreaming, that's more of a typical sort of school environment where this is a more restrictive environment for those who may not understand what that is. Can you talk about the range that students, where students might be placed based on their needs? Melanie Dawson:Absolutely. So there's what we consider a continuum of services especially when you're talking in the world of special education, and the general education classroom setting is the least restrictive. That's where students have full access to content and to peers, and then sometimes students need a little additional support so that might be like a resource pull out or something like that. But they still might receive the majority of their day in a gen ed classroom. And then we start to get more restricted from there where maybe an IEP team decides that a child would benefit from more of what we'd call a self -contained placement where they have more of their day in a room with students who have similar needs to them so we can kind of consolidate our efforts towards those students. And then we receive students who need even more than that, more than just a self-contained classroom. So we are considered a self-contained school. We are a special ed school that serves those students, where based on data, based on experiences in their other their other experiences throughout that continuum, the data and the team is able to get together and say yes, like this student would benefit, at least right now, from some additional support. So we're able to then have this entire beautiful school where we can focus our efforts on students who have somewhat similar needs. Anthony Godfrey:One way of looking at it would be that you try the least restrictive environment and you move toward a more restrictive environment cautiously thoughtfully until you realize this is the least restrictive environment. You place a student in the least restrictive environment where their needs can still be met. Melanie Dawson:Oh, that was beautifully articulated. That's exactly right, and that's why mainstream is such a big priority here, too, because as soon as we feel like they're ready for something less restrictive, even if that's only for one hour of their day, then the onus is on us to make that opportunity available to them. Anthony Godfrey:So the idea is not to play someone and say well, they’re River's Edge and we're done here. It's okay they're at River's Edge, now let's build back if we can, if there's any chance of building back, let's do that, so that a student can move toward the less restrictive environment over time. Melanie Dawson:Absolutely, again, very well-articulated. That's always our goal and I especially as the principal of this building I always keep my eye on that goal. That is where we're always trying to aim for student, and again, that may or may not be the reality depending on when they come to us, how much time we have left with them, what their actual combination of behaviors look like, but it's really important because although we I love River's Edge, this has been an amazing place and we provide as many opportunities as we can. But with a small number of students and a small staff, we also sometimes are a little bit limited in the variety of things that we can offer students so sometimes mainstreams give them access to electives and things that are so awesome for that child where we, you know you think of a typical high school and how many teachers they may have on staff there. We have eight full time teachers here, so we do our best to rotate electives and to match that to our student needs and interests, but honestly, sometimes mainstream gives them access to something new and different, not just typical peers, but also content that we have not yet provided within our walls. It also connects us as leaders to the kinds of things like, oh could we add something like this into the rotation? Do we have the right person to teach this, or to get creative about how to approach this content area? Anthony Godfrey:I love that. Being creative about how you can provide a wide range of opportunities for students, because opportunities will bring out the best in those students when they have a chance to connect with something meaningful and enjoyable for them. Melanie Dawson:Yeah, absolutely and that's really how our music program, that we're going to show you today, how it evolved. It was part vision on our part like knowing that we wanted to bring some more arts into their lives. We ended up hiring the right people, who personally had the right skill set and they had the right passion to give us some of these resources. Then we were able to create new opportunities under the umbrella of arts for our students. It's been so awesome to see how they have blossomed with these opportunities and how it's really tapped into developing skills that they may have already had somewhat, but to really expand that and give them this connection to school that might they might not have had before, something that they love and they love to come here for. Anthony Godfrey:That's fantastic and it is exciting. I can't wait to play with them and hear more about their experience being able to be involved in music here. Well, it's a remarkable school. You and your staff do an incredible job, and I'm really excited for people to learn more about it and to be here and jam out with some of your students. Melanie Dawson:Oh, they're looking forward to it. [Music] Anthony Godfrey:Stay with us when we come back, more about the important work going on for students at River's Edge School every single day. [Music] Male Voice:Never miss an episode of the Supercast by liking and subscribing on your favorite podcasting platform. Find transcripts for this episode and others at supercast.jordandistrict.org. [Music] Sandy Riesgraf:Hello, I'm Sandy Riesgraf, Director of Communications for Jordan School District and we want to invite you to connect with us. So many exciting things are happening in your child's school, your neighbor's school, in every school here every day. Don't miss out on following the fun or simply staying informed when there's important information we need to share. Join us at jordandistrict.org or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram at Jordan District. We can't wait to connect. [Music] Anthony Godfrey:We're here to talk about the band and this music experience here at River’s Edge. Everyone, introduce yourselves, and let's talk about why we're here today. Lance Weaver:I'm Lance. I'm the music teacher and I'm here to teach these kids some music. Anthony Godfrey:And how long have you guys been working on this particular song? Lance Weaver:We've been working with Leryk the first part of the semester, or the first semester, and then with Eddie the second semester and Kai's been a drummer the whole time. Anthony Godfrey:Leryk, Eddie and Kai, those are great rock and roll names. So let's get to it. Let's get to it. Introduce yourselves and tell us what you play in the band and what type of music you like. I also want to hear about the type of music you listen to. I mean, it's on the shirts a little bit already, but tell us about it. Leryk:My name is Leryk and I like a lot of music. Anthony Godfrey:What do you play in the band, Leryk? Leryk:Guitar, sometimes bass. Anthony Godfrey:Okay. That's a common answer when you ask someone what they do in the band. It's sometimes bass. Tell me about what music you like to listen to. Leryk:I like older rock music when it wasn't so depressing and angry all the time, like it is now. Anthony Godfrey:I'm with you. Yeah, let's get some bright, sunny rock and roll tunes. What are some songs or bands that you really like? Leryk:Van Halen, Led Zeppelin, Jefferson Airplane, which I rarely hear anything about. Anthony Godfrey:Very nice. Jefferson Airplane as opposed to Jefferson Starship as opposed to Starship. Leryk:There's a lot of modern bands to listen to. I also like electronic music, like Daft Punk. Anthony Godfrey:Daft Punk, very nice. Crossing the pond for that one, very good. Leryk:I also really like old 1940s and 50s jazz. Anthony Godfrey:Really? Wow. How about you? Kai:My name is Kai. Anthony Godfrey:Kai, what are you doing in the band? Your drums? Is that right? Kai:Yep. I'm a drummer. Anthony Godfrey:What drew you to the drums? Kai:My dad used to do it. He's a big inspiration for me, but he used to be in drum corps and used to play for a band. It was a tribute band. Not the actual Slipknot. They spelled theirs with an N instead of a K. Anthony Godfrey:Untied, maybe, would be the name of a cover band. The Slipknot cover band, that's intense. Very cool. What type of music do you like to listen to? Kai:Anything that sounds good and has a stable beat. Anthony Godfrey:It's about the beat for you? Kai:Pretty much. I don't care about the context of the song. As long as it sounds good and has a funky beat to it, I can jam to them. Anthony Godfrey:Any drummers or particular bands that you like? Kai:Stick Figure, Korn, Tool. Anthony Godfrey:Yeah? Lerck:Tool's one of the greatest bands ever. I can double it. Tool is my favorite. Anthony Godfrey:I went and saw Tool before I really knew who they were at Lollapalooza here. I had boots on, I had my whole rocking boat here on, and I had to walk for two miles in my boots. Tool was actually on the side stage. Primus was on the main stage, and Tool was on the side stage. It was in the early days, in the 1900s. How about you? Eddie:I'm Eddie, I play guitar. Anthony Godfrey:Of course, Eddie plays guitar. That's how it goes. Eddie:Yeah. I like metal, mainly. Anthony Godfrey:What kind of metal bands do you like? Eddie:Slipknot, mainly new metal bands, some death metal bands like Cannibal Corpse. Anthony Godfrey:New metal like the NU. Eddie:Yeah, NU metal. New metal for those listening, yes. Eddie:Yeah, like Korn, all those. Also, love Tool. I love Primus. Yeah. Anthony Godfrey:Yeah, Primus is out there, but I like him. Eddie:Oh yeah. Anthony Godfrey:I like him. They're coming in concert, actually. Eddie:Oh, that's cool. Anthony Godfrey:Tell me, what has it meant to you to be part of this band, to be part of this music program? Leryk:I think it's a great way to learn and instruments in general. And like, how do I describe it? It really, really helps you learn something when you're in a room with a bunch of random people. And it's like, okay, guys, be in rhythm with each other, figure out a song, play it. Anthony Godfrey:That's great. You've described exactly what my guitar teacher told me decades ago. That is, when you play with other people, you get better.…

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    Episode 298: Midas Creek Elementary School Musical Takes Audience Back in Time May 22, 2025
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    They took the audience back in time to the 1940’s with period costumes, a creative set design, and delightful music. On this episode of the Supercast, listen as Midas Creek Elementary School students take the stage in a lively and uplifting performance of the musical “Don’t Say No to the USO.” It is a family-friendly production with a focus on humor, suspense, and nostalgia, combined with a student performance which had everyone clapping and doing some toe tapping. Audio Transcription Anthony Godfrey:You’re the total package, you can create the costume, direct it, pull the kids together, bring out the best in them. Robin Michelsen:Not alone. Anthony Godfrey:Singing, dancing, and acting. Robin Michelsen:Not alone, not alone. Brynn:She is incredible, you guys. She is amazing. You know what she did? She hand-sewed my entire dress. And she is just, she's amazing. It's incredible how much thought she put into this play. (upbeat music) (bell ringing) Anthony Godfrey:Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. They took the audience back in time to the 1940s with period costumes, a creative set design, and delightful music. On this episode of the Supercast, listen as Midas Creek Elementary School students take the stage in a lively and uplifting performance of the musical, "Don't Say No to the USO”. It is a family-friendly production with a focus on humor, suspense, and nostalgia. It was a spectacular student performance that had everyone clapping and doing some toe tapping. We're here with Robin Michelsen at Midas Creek Elementary talking about the performances of "Don't Say No to the USO” that just completed last night. I was able to see it on opening night. What a wonderful performance. Tell us a little bit about what happened. Robin Michelsen:Well, I've been at the school for 15 years. We've done a play, we've tried to do a play every year. Of course, COVID came in, we had a couple of other years that got skipped that we didn't do it. We try to do something that correlates to the sixth-grade curriculum, but I will have to say this is my favorite play of all the plays we do. We do one in Egypt, we do one in the Middle Ages, but this is the one. Anthony Godfrey:It was really impactful for me. First of all, it really transports you to the 40s, takes place during World War II, and the hairstyles, the costumes, and the dialogue. It was just really cool to go back in time, and some sixth graders really pulled off looking like they were from the 40s. Robin Michelsen:They did. Anthony Godfrey:Tell me about the costumes and the hair. I know that you made the costumes, so let's hear about that. Robin Michelsen:Well, this is the second time we've done this play. We did this play also in 2017. So I had some of the costumes, I had a lot of the military costumes. I didn't make those, I went to military, what do they call them? Anthony Godfrey:Surplus Robin Michelsen:Surplus stores. I went to some surplus stores and took them in and stuff, so I didn't make those from scratch. But a lot of the dresses I had, some of those dresses are actually authentic. They're actually 1940s, '50s dresses. Anthony Godfrey:That doesn't surprise me. Not that I was there, but it looks like what you imagine the 40s to be. Robin Michelsen:Yeah, some of them are authentic. Actually, a funny story that the girls don't wear those kinds of dresses. So I would ask them to wear something that they could change into, and then they come out and it doesn't fit or whatever, and they realize they didn't know how to undo the zipper or the buttons. I had to show them how to put it on. There was one that zips up the back, and she's trying to zip it up the front. It was just kinda cute. They just don't have dresses like that anymore. Anthony Godfrey:How did you figure out how to show these girls and their families how to do their hair? Robin Michelsen:I took pictures. Anthony Godfrey:40s hair for the boys is pretty easy. Robin Michelsen:It is. Anthony Godfrey:40s hair for the girls is complex. That is sculpture. Robin Michelsen:I found some videos on YouTube and sent them to the moms. Sent videos and some pictures, and stuff. Didn't they do an awesome job? Anthony Godfrey:They did so good. Robin Michelsen:I don't know how much hairspray that took. (laughing) Anthony Godfrey:It really was amazing, and I understand that you involved more kids than ever in this one. This was a ton of kids to be part of the cast and part of the stage crew. Robin Michelsen:It was quite a few. In a previous time we did it, we actually had more, which turns out to be really hard when you have so many. And that time we double cast. We had two people for each part. Anthony Godfrey:Well, that just shows how many people want to be part of this. Robin Michelsen:Yeah, so that was really hard. We've kind of said we'll never do that again. (laughing) Not with two for each part. But yeah, there were a lot of kids. You know, and they were so good about coming every morning. For the kids that committed from the beginning just stuck with it. We had only one kid move out from the signups in December. Anthony Godfrey:Really? That's incredible. And they had to sing, they had to dance. There was, of course, acting and dialogue. And it went so smoothly. They worked really hard, as did you. Their efforts were apparent in the outcome. It was so well done. Robin Michelsen:One of my favorite things about these plays is a lot of times you give a part to a child and they act like, “Oh, I don't know if I can do that. I don't know if I want a speaking part or I can sing.” And they just find something within themselves that they didn't know they had. It's like wonderful to watch. It's wonderful to watch them blossom, to find that within themselves. Anthony Godfrey:That's the beauty of this is that students may not come into this thinking, “Oh yeah, I'm going to be able to act, dance, and sing.” Robin Michelsen:That's right. Anthony Godfrey:And you help them discover something that they didn't realize was there. Robin Michelsen:Yes, yes. Anthony Godfrey:And I heard that there are high school students who look back on their experience with you. Robin Michelsen:That has happened, yes. Anthony Godfrey:And they are in theater in one way or another because of their experiences here. Tell me about some of those students. Robin Michelsen:I do, I have students. If I know, if they let me know that they're performing at middle school, I'll go watch them. I go let them know that I am still interested in their performing. And I do, I have them come back and say, “Oh, I was the lead in this part.” Yeah, it's really awesome to watch them grow into that. Anthony Godfrey:It's a lasting impact. Robin Michelsen:It is a lasting impact. Anthony Godfrey:You can even just see it when the kids are on stage, how much they love being able to do that and being a part of something like that. Now, for those of you who have not seen “Don't Say No to the USO”, there's something special that you do at the end of the performance that makes it very personal for all of the families involved. Tell everyone about that. Robin Michelsen:We do a salute to the military. So we have all the flags in there. We have the Navy and the Air Force, and the kids have learned a little bit of each of their songs. So as they're making a tribute to each of the branches of the military, we are showing pictures, their family donates pictures to us, and we've made a slideshow that is up on the wall that is going in a slideshow as they're singing the song. It really is moving. Anthony Godfrey:Yeah, I also love the song about uniting, and we are one. I don't remember the exact-- Robin Michelsen:That is it, you remember that is it. We are one, yes. Anthony Godfrey:It was so well done, as everyone kind of comes together literally as they sing about that. It was very moving for me to see that, and it's a great message. I would think that students are impacted not only because they've discovered talents within themselves, but they connect to history, and they connect to a sense of patriotism. Robin Michelsen:They do, and so I did something different this year. I actually put together an assembly for this. Just the sixth graders this year. Because they kept asking what certain things were. What's the USO, or what's this line mean? So we put together an assembly and we talked about the history this time 'cause so they would know what they were doing. So I did a slide show, it was an hour, and they were really interested. They really were. We talked about World War I a little bit and how that led to World War II, and the USO and how it was created, and when did the United States entered into the war, and all of that. And I think it just, it really honed it in for them. Between finding their ancestors' pictures and hearing about the history. I think that's what really connected for them 'cause I did have students come and say, I didn't know, I didn't know I had veterans in my family. Because it's not something most parents are gonna talk about, really, right? It just over dinner table. So that was really amazing. Anthony Godfrey;Now we just stepped out, we pulled you away from the cast party at the end of the performances, and there were kids crying at the loss of not being able to continue to work on this show. Tell me about the impact on you and on the students. Robin Michelsen:Well, first of all, they asked if they could put their costumes on for the cast party. I was like, no, we are done with that part. It was a lot of work to get them dressed before the rehearsals. Yeah, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work, but I don't obviously do all the work. It's so many people helped. If I start naming names, I'm gonna leave somebody out. But we have teachers, we have a teacher who was, someone here who was a teacher who's retired now 10 years, who's always liked theater, and she came. She is the one who helped a lot in the mornings and-- Anthony Godfrey:I think I saw her in the media center when I went to see the cast before the performance. Robin Michelsen:Yes, she hasn't taught in 10 years, and she still just loves, just wants to be a part of it. Yeah, and so we have parents that step up and teachers who aren't sixth-grade teachers. It really is a community endeavor, and it brings the community together. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, absolutely. Robin Michelsen:Which I think is really important 'cause that goes over into everything else. Into school, into academics, to have a close community. Anthony Godfrey:Absolutely, it's a huge impact. I'm sure there are students looking forward to being a sixth grader and trying out. Robin Michelsen:I've heard that a lot already. (laughs) Anthony Godfrey:It's a lot of pressure. Robin Michelsen:Especially, yeah, it's a lot of pressure, especially 'cause we haven't done it the last two years. So we skipped the last two years, and yeah, so now all of a sudden it's like, “You are doing this in three years, right? In four years, right?” I don't know. Let me catch my breath. (laughs) Anthony Godfrey:Everyone's staking their claim. Robin Michelsen:They are. Anthony Godfrey:What got you started in this? What got you started in theater? Robin Michelsen:The same teacher, Mrs. Goodman, that I'm talking about. So she taught here when I first started, and she started the play. Actually my background is, I'm a seamstress. It's what I did before I became a teacher: I sew. So she wanted some help with the costumes, and the next thing I know, that's what I was doing. So her and I are good friends, close, and that's just kinda how it developed. I would help with the background and all of that. Anthony Godfrey:So you're the total package. You can create the costume, direct it, pull the kids together, bring out the best in them. Singing, dancing, and acting. Robin Michelsen:Not alone, not alone. Anthony Godfrey:I know, I know, there's a lot, but it takes someone right at the center of it. Robin Michelsen:I don’t sing. (laughs) Anthony Godfrey:Well, I was very impressed, so I called our communications staff and said, "Can we get out there in the next couple of days?" Because I wanted to really talk with you and the students about it. Because I was just so blown away at the quality of the performance, how excited everybody was about it, and the impact of the message. So bravo. Robin Michelsen:Thank you so much. Anthony Godfrey:Well done and thanks for all the extra effort you put into this. Robin Michelsen:Thank you. Anthony Godfrey:It's obvious that it's paying off in big ways. Robin Michelsen:Oh, thank you so much. I have one last thing to say. I feel like I'd be remiss in saying, if the administration at our school wasn't supportive, it wouldn't happen. I mean, a lot of things have to be bent. And a lot of, when I say that, like we take this room or we'll take that room, or there's just a lot of adjusting. 'Cause we have band in the morning, and choir, and yeah, without a supportive administration, we just, we couldn't get it on. Anthony Godfrey:Well, I'm glad that combination is available here with your talents and their support. It's created a great opportunity for these students and a great connection for the community, like you said. So thank you for everything you've done. Robin Michelsen:Thank you, thank you. Anthony Godfrey:And I look forward to the next performance, whenever that is. Robin Michelsen:Oh, but they, do you know we already know what it is. Anthony Godfrey:Okay, all right. We won't– no spoilers. Robin Michelsen:No spoilers. Next year. Anthony Godfrey:Thank you very much. Robin Michelsen:All right, thank you. Students Singing: ♪ A country young and bright. ♪ Anthony Godfrey:Stay with us. When we come back, more from Midas Creek Elementary School. Students Singing:♪ Working hand in hand, together we must stand. ♪ Break:Never miss an episode of the Supercast by liking and subscribing on your favorite podcasting platform. Find transcripts for this episode and others at supercast.jordandistrict.org. (upbeat music) Break:In Jordan School District, we like to support students in and outside the classroom along with their families. That's where the Jordan Family Education Center comes in, offering support services and a wide variety of classes for students and their families, free of charge. You can take a class called Blues Busters for children feeling sad or worried. Just Breathe is a class that helps students reduce stress. Or how about a class that supports parents in helping their children make and keep good friends. There are also support groups and free counseling, all provided by Jordan School District school psychologists, counselors, and school psychology interns. To find out how you can benefit from free family support services offered by the Jordan Family Education Center, call 801-565-7442 or visit guidance.jordandistrict.org. (upbeat music) Anthony Godfrey:We're here with two students at Midas Creek who were in “Don't Say No to the USO”. I had such a great time seeing this two nights ago, but I had to come back and talk with you for the podcast. Introduce yourself and tell me a little bit about what it's meant for you to be in that production. Hank:I'm Hank, and I was Professor Sullivan, the hypnotist in this play. And I really liked how the play brought us together in this school, and what it meant to me was really amazing. Brynn:I'm Brynn, I was Ruth Taylor. I…

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    Episode 297: Fostering Friendships with Student Designed “Buddy Benches” May 15, 2025
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    Some high school Welding, Construction Trades, and Teacher Ed students are using skills they learned in the classroom to make it easier for younger kids to make friends at school. On this episode of the Supercast, we take you to Monte Vista Elementary School where there was a big surprise unveiled during a schoolwide assembly. The big surprise was a “Buddy Bench,” made entirely by high schoolers who want to help their younger counterparts combat loneliness and bullying behavior at school. Audio Transcription Addison Olsen:A buddy bench is something that people can use when they're feeling lonely. They can go sit there, and it lets other people know that they need a friend. Blair Jensen:They gave me the idea of involving other teachers. They said, "Get your construction trades doing concrete." And as soon as they said that, you know, light bulb clicked, a teacher ed, I’ve got, you know, aspiring teachers that will crush the assembly much better than me and my students. [Music] Anthony Godfrey:Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. Some high school welding, construction trades, and teacher education students are using skills they learned in the classroom to make it easier for younger students to make friends at school. On this episode of the Supercast, we take you to Monte Vista Elementary School, where there was a big surprise unveiled during a school-wide assembly. The big surprise was a “Buddy Bench,” made entirely by high schoolers who want to help their younger counterparts combat loneliness and bullying behavior at school. [Music] We're talking now with three of the students who were involved in making this project happen. Please introduce yourself, tell us your home school, and then the program that you're a part of. Ruby Sullivan:I'm Ruby Sullivan. I'm from Riverton High School, and I'm in the teacher education program. Austin Edwards:I'm Austin Edwards. I'm from Kings Peak, and I'm in the construction management. Mason Goates:My name is Mason Goates. I'm from Bingham High School, and I'm at the welding program. Anthony Godfrey:Tell us about the buddy bench project for those who don't know what it is. I think you're visiting about a dozen schools in the way that you did Monte Vista today. So tell everyone about it. Ruby Sullivan:Yeah, so it's an interdisciplinary project between the construction management, teacher education, and welding programs at JATC South. And basically, we're just trying to decrease bullying and loneliness in elementary schools by installing buddy benches, free of charge to the school. So it gives children an opportunity to meet and make new friends, and it gives us an opportunity to practice the skills that we're learning in high school. Anthony Godfrey:Now, some of the skills that you're learning as a student in the teacher preparation program that's to command a group of students. And you did so beautifully today. You did a great job. Ruby Sullivan:Thank you. Anthony Godfrey:It would be intimidating for many adults to be in front of 600 elementary students and try to keep them on task. How does that feel, and how did you do it so well today? Ruby Sullivan:Well, thank you so much. Honestly, it's such an enjoyable experience. I love working with children. I love working with students. And it was a great opportunity to practice my behavior management skills on a larger scale. So it was amazing to really be able to implement the tactics that I've learned about in my classes and practicums, and to be able to see them work at such magnitude. Anthony Godfrey:Well, when you stood up in front of them, there was no sense that, "Well, I wonder if this will work." You knew it was going to work. You knew what your message was, and it was awesome. Now, the sound we hear in the background is the buddy bench being installed. This isn't just being set down on the concrete. You guys are installing the bench. Tell us about that process. Austin Edwards:So what we do is we first put the bench on there, make sure it's centered, and then we take a hammer drill, and what we do is we use it to drill the holes. Then we've got special anchors that we put a silicone layer in the hole, and then we hammer it down. Then we put just a little bit more silicone around. Then we put the bench on top. Then we take a washer and a nut, and we anchor it down to the concrete. Anthony Godfrey:Tell us about the construction of the buddy bench. Mason Goates:The construction... it was a lot, I'll be honest. Welding had to do a lot of the project. We've been working on this project for almost half a school year, actually. We got the prototype metal in, and we actually had a lot of difficulties in trying to figure out how to assemble the buddy bench, especially with the seat slats, because we just struggled to figure out how to bend them at the right angle to make it comfortable to sit on. We built the entire layout of the buddy bench from scratch. We built everything on this project from scratch. The only thing that was used from somebody else is the design on the back, and we just took inspiration from it. So we actually had to plan everything out and try to execute it to the best of our abilities, basically. So it was a little bit of a struggle, but we were able to make 12 benches after planning everything out, and our advanced class started working on it all. Anthony Godfrey:It's pretty exciting that you're going to be able to walk by this or drive by and say, "Look at that bench.” There's something permanent about what you guys are doing here, and it's really exciting. The buddy bench concept, talk to people about how it's intended to be used, and how that's going to combat loneliness here at the school. Ruby Sullivan:The buddy bench mostly just provides a place for students to meet. It can be kind of awkward to go up and introduce yourself to someone, and so the buddy bench is just there to facilitate that kind of interaction. It's for students; if multiple students don't have friends or their friends aren't there today, they can go sit on the bench, and that just provides a perfect introduction for them to be able to talk to one another and have a conversation. Or then if students see somebody who's sitting alone on the bench, they feel like they can go speak to them. They feel motivated to go get to know that student, and that can be really helpful. Anthony Godfrey:So when you sit on the buddy bench, what you're saying is, "I could use a buddy, I need a friend." Ruby Sullivan:Yeah, exactly. Anthony Godfrey:Now, you were masterful, you and the other students, at modeling how this is supposed to work. And it was obvious that you studied how to be a great teacher because you gradually built, from showing an example to having everyone involved. Talk everyone through that process because I was very impressed, not only, like I said, at the way that you kept the attention of 600 elementary students at the end of the day, in May, no less, but how you showed them how to use the bench in a way that I really think will make sure it has a lasting impact. Ruby Sullivan:We really try to implement the scaffolding technique so that we can show students how to use it and then have them practice using it in a controlled setting before allowing them to just do it on their own. And this helps them to cement that knowledge more firmly, so that they can actually use it in the future and be prepared to teach others how to use it in the future. Anthony Godfrey:I like how you use construction terms, too. Scaffolding, cement, you know, you're really tying everything together. Well done, well done. The volunteers, when you asked for kids to volunteer, you guys saw almost every hand shot up. It was pretty incredible. How has it felt as you've gone school to school to be a part of this project? Mason Goates:I mean, it actually feels really good. I love helping kids feel included into the school. I'm actually a very big advocate for making sure that kids feel safe in a school environment, and making sure that they know that they are cared about by teachers, other students, by just district officials, by anybody. I enjoyed interacting with the kids. I enjoyed seeing their faces light up with joy when they see the bench or when they are jumping up and down to be volunteers. Anthony Godfrey:I saw you had to have kids, “Sit down, sit down.” Mason Goates:Yeah, “Quiet, quiet.” Sometimes I have to remind them to get excited. I've really enjoyed being able to help the kids get out there and realize that they can be a buddy for other students and for each other. Ruby Sullivan:And Mason's from welding program, but we're trying really hard to convince him to become a teacher because he's so good with the kids. Anthony Godfrey:He was very natural up there. It was really good. How does it feel for you to be involved in this? Austin Edwards:It feels good. It feels like something I can look back and know that a lot of kids are going to have buddies, and they won't get bullied anymore, hopefully. Anthony Godfrey:Yeah, I think that's absolutely going to be the outcome of this project. How about you? Did it cement, as you said, your desire to be a teacher? Ruby Sullivan:Absolutely. It's so fulfilling to be able to see the students so engaged and so motivated to help one another. It really just brings a level of joy that can't be described. Anthony Godfrey:Well, be sure you apply in Jordan and nowhere else, okay? You guys are all fantastic. Thank you for making such an impact. How many schools do you have left to visit now? Mason Goates:Oh, we have like four, I think. Austin Edwards:Four more schools. Anthony Godfrey:Okay, most of the way through, but plenty left to do. It's a busy end of the year for all three of you. Students:Oh, yes. Anthony Godfrey:Thank you so much. Mason Goates:You're welcome. Ruby Sullivan:Thank you. Mason Goates:Thank you so much. Anthony Godfrey:Stay with us. When we come back, we hear from the teachers involved in the Buddy Bench Project. Never miss an episode of The Supercast by liking and subscribing on your favorite podcasting platform. Find transcripts for this episode and others at supercast.jordandistrict.org. Break:Are you looking for a job right now? Looking to work in a fun and supportive environment with great pay and a rewarding career? Jordan School District is hiring. We're currently filling full and part-time positions. You can work and make a difference in young lives and education as a classroom assistant or a substitute teacher. Apply to work in one of our school cafeterias where our lunch staff serves up big smiles with great food every day. We're also looking to hire custodians and bus drivers. In Jordan School District, we like to say people come for the job and enjoy the adventure. Apply today at employment.jordandistrict.org Ruby Sullivan:Hi, everyone. How are you guys doing today? Students:Good. Ruby Sullivan:That's so good. That's so good. I'm glad to hear you. So, who here knows what bullying is? Anthony Godfrey:We're going to talk now with the three teachers who are involved in this project. It was so fun to see this today. Just introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about your involvement and how this got going. Ryan Clayton:Yeah. My name is Ryan Clayton. I'm the Construction Management and Trades teacher at JATC. My students... Well, Blair's got plenty to say, but he's the arbiter of all of this and got the ball going and involved me and Brenda in the process. And we were super excited to get on board. So our class, my class, the construction class, decided to help out by doing the concrete pads for them. And so we started talking in class. I took my class out for two months straight. We were... Instead of going to the shop in the classroom, we went out to elementary schools during class time and worked at all the different elementary schools, putting them in. Anthony Godfrey:Yeah. Well, that concrete work gets harder and harder. No, I'm just kidding. Ryan Clayton:No, it gets easier. Anthony Godfrey:It is pretty exciting for the kids to see something permanent, a permanent result of the work they've done. Ryan Clayton:Yes. Anthony Godfrey:I answer a lot of emails, but I don't get anything permanent out of it. So it's pretty fun for them to see the fruits of their labor. Tell me about the teacher education program. Brenda Straley:Yeah. My name is Brenda Straley, and I do the teacher education program at JATC. Blair invited us to be a part of it as well. So we actually created the content, designed the assemblies, and did a lot of research on buddy benches and loneliness. And decided, you know, what was needed, what it was going to look like, and then just facilitated the process of skits. A perfect project-based learning experience, in that it was a culmination of everything that they've learned over the years. So, taking what they've learned and then realizing, like, in an assembly, they need proximity control, and they need, you know, let's experiment this way with this assembly, and let's see how quickly we can get this one to go up and down. So it was really a cool experiment of, like, their teaching. The culmination of everything they've done. And that relevance was really important. It's just been fantastic to see how it's increased the confidence of all of the students involved, you know, teacher education, welding, and construction. Anthony Godfrey:I was so impressed with the way that, the presence that students had in front of 600 elementary kids. There are plenty of adults who would be terrified of trying to keep things moving forward with kids aged 5 to 11 in May. Blair Jensen:That's me. Anthony Godfrey:Right. Blair being one of them. But it was very intentional. It was clear there was a lot of preparation. It was also clear they really understood how to really make the most of an event in front of students. They did a great job. Brenda Straley:They really supported each other in the process, too. And it was all them. They did an excellent job. Anthony Godfrey:It was great work. Talk about the bench's Blair and the welding program's involvement. Blair Jensen:Yeah. I'm Blair Jensen. I'm the welding instructor at Jordan Academy for Technology and Careers. The Buddy Bench has been something that's kind of ruminated in the back of my mind for a while. I've always been passionate about what their meaning is. And I knew that some of our schools didn't have them, but just trying to figure out how I could incorporate it into my program. When I won the Harbor Freight Tools for Schools Prize for Teaching Excellence, part of winning that prize is they send me to a conference every summer with all of their prize winners. So I get to go and mingle with the best around the nation, the best instructors around the nation. They have a Community Impact Grant, which is what funded the majority of this project. So every summer, as part of our conference, the people who had won the grant the previous year showcase their projects. They do a review and say, "This is what I did with my grant. This is how successful it was." And then after they present, we have roundtables and discuss. And I brought up to the welding instructors and a few others, "I'd like to do these Buddy Benches, but I'm struggling with an idea of how to make it a little more impactful." They gave me an idea of involving other teachers. They said, "Get your construction trades doing concrete." And as soon as they said that, light bul…

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    Episode 296: Joel P. Jensen Custodian is Competitive Jigsaw Puzzler May 08, 2025
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    She is known for her custodial skills keeping classrooms clean and everything in working order at Joel P. Jensen Middle School. But in her free time, Allison Kunz is passionate about cleaning up and beating the competition in the sport of speed puzzling. On this episode of the Supercast, we find out what speed puzzling is, what it takes to win, and how Allison Kunz has managed to qualify for world championships in the sport. Audio Transcription Allison Kunz:In training for things like Nationals and Worlds, they'll throw anything at it. I will buy anything and try it. The more you do something, the less intimidating it is. Anthony Godfrey:Sure. That was fast. That was really fast. Allison Kunz:Ten minutes? Anthony Godfrey:Seven minutes, thirty-eight seconds. Allison Kunz:So, probably ten minutes with the sword. Anthony Godfrey:Very fast, yeah. [Music] Anthony Godfrey:Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. She is known for her custodial skills, keeping classrooms clean and everything in working order at Joel P. Jensen Middle School. But in her free time, Allison Kunz is passionate about cleaning up and beating the competition in the sport of speed puzzling. On this episode of the Supercast, we find out what speed puzzling is, what it takes to win, and how Allison Kunz has managed to qualify for world championships. [Music] We're here today at Joel P. Jensen Middle School to talk with a speed puzzler. Introduce yourself. Tell everyone what you do here at Joel P. Jensen. Allison Kunz:I am Allison Kunz. I'm the lead custodian here at Joel P. Jensen. It's my job to come in, typically, at the end of the day and turn the school around, get it all clean, fixed, and ready for the next day. Anthony Godfrey:The lead works the swing shift and really brings the school back together from the day's activities, readying it for the next day. Allison Kunz:Yep. I like to say we turn the chaos back into order. Anthony Godfrey:Very good. Very good. And how long have you been here at Joel P. Jensen? Allison Kunz:I've been at Joel P. almost a year. I was at Oquirrh Hills Middle School for a year before I came here. Anthony Godfrey:Awesome. Well, we're very glad to have you. Allison Kunz:Thank you. Anthony Godfrey:Tell me about speed puzzling. First of all, you are decked. You've got your puzzle pants on with puzzle pieces all over. You've got your competition shirt from Nationals. Tell me about what is speed puzzling exactly. Allison Kunz:So speed puzzling is you take a 500-piece puzzle, they count down, three, two, one, go. You open a bag, dump out the puzzle, and do it as fast as you can. Anthony Godfrey:And what got you started on this? Allison Kunz:I fell into it by accident. A Facebook group I'm involved in did a kind of informal speed puzzling competition, and I just thought it was great fun. Anthony Godfrey:So what was the Facebook group initially related to puzzling or no? Allison Kunz:Yeah, it's called Dowdle Puzzle Lovers. It features Eric Dowdle's puzzles. Anthony Godfrey:So you've been a fan of Eric Dowdle's puzzles for a long time. Allison Kunz:I have a calendar of Eric Dowdle’s from 2001. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, wow. Allison Kunz:I've loved his artwork for many, many years. So, yeah. Anthony Godfrey:Wow. And so the group had a competition, and you jumped in. Allison Kunz:They did. It was a kind of informal thing. I jumped in and said, "That could be fun. Why not? I've never tried that." Anthony Godfrey:And you wrecked everyone the first time around. Allison Kunz:I did not. I did not. But I had fun and discovered I'm not that slow. Anthony Godfrey:Okay. Allison Kunz:And with a little work, I could be faster. Anthony Godfrey:You need to be better at bragging. “I'm not that slow” is not a good brag. Allison Kunz:I'm not the fastest, but I'm not the slowest either. Anthony Godfrey:And tell me about the different types of competitions you've been in, the types of events you've participated in. Allison Kunz:So I've done a little bit of everything from just kind of informal stuff to state stuff to a few out of state, and then to nationals. Anthony Godfrey:What's the level of speed puzzling in the state? How frequent are things happening? Allison Kunz:We have some really competitive people. We had 11 people go to nationals this year from Utah. And yeah, there are some people that are really fast. Anthony Godfrey:How does the qualifying work when you're trying to go from the state level to the national level? Is it a certain amount of time on a certain puzzle? Allison Kunz:It's all pretty informal. Anthony Godfrey:Okay. Allison Kunz:When you're doing like a state competition, you have two hours to finish the puzzle. Whereas at nationals, it was an hour and a half to finish the puzzle. At Worlds, it's an hour and 15 minutes. So you have to be pretty fast to go and do well. Anthony Godfrey:An hour and 15 minutes. Allison Kunz:To do a 500-piece puzzle. Anthony Godfrey:See, I have no clue. Like a four-minute mile. Allison Kunz:A typical person probably does a 500-piece puzzle in about, I would say, about four hours. Anthony Godfrey:So, a typical person, 500-piece is four hours. Allison Kunz;Probably, yeah. Anthony Godfrey:For me, probably eight hours. Allison Kunz:And that's totally okay. That's the beauty of puzzling. Anthony Godfrey:And for you, what's your personal best on a 500-piece puzzle? Allison Kunz:About just over 40 minutes, I think. Anthony Godfrey:Just over 40 minutes? Allison Kunz:Yeah. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, wow. That is fast. Allison Kunz:It's fun. You know, when it comes to competing, everybody is so good-natured, and there's not a lot of trash talk because it's always you against the puzzle. Anthony Godfrey:Yeah. Allison Kunz:You know, everybody's happy for whoever wins. There are certainly people way faster than me. But I just think it's fun. Anthony Godfrey:So there's no full-contact puzzling where you're like trying to block each other. Allison Kunz:No fighting. No. None of that. Anthony Godfrey:Okay. Well, you know, I think that's an idea. We could really explore that. Allison Kunz:We could institute that. Anthony Godfrey:We could really give it a shot. Allison Kunz:We do have the wardrobe to do some WWE kind of stuff. Anthony Godfrey:There you go. Now, how do you train for this? Because I assume that the national -- well, first of all, is it a new puzzle– Allison Kunz:It is brand new. Anthony Godfrey:– when you're at the state or national? Because otherwise, you would just say, "I'm going to do every 500-piece puzzle I can find, and hopefully I'm prepped." Allison Kunz:Yeah. At the higher competition, so typically state, national kind of thing, they are unreleased puzzles, puzzles that have not been released before. Anthony Godfrey:Hmm. Is there any insider trading where -- are there leaks about what puzzle it's going to be or anything like that? Allison Kunz:No. No. I volunteered at Nationals, and I still knew nothing about what puzzles were coming. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, okay. Allison Kunz:I didn't see inside any of the bags. They had people there that were in charge from the company that sponsored it. They were in charge of the puzzles, and everything was in a bag with a sticker on it for each round, and even volunteering– Anthony Godfrey:It's in a dark bag if I -- I think I've seen it on TikTok. Allison Kunz:Yeah. I think I’ve got a picture. Anthony Godfrey:Isn't it in a dark bag that covers it all? Allison Kunz:Yeah. It depends on the competition, but yeah. But this box would be in a bag. Anthony Godfrey:Yeah. Let's look through some pictures here. Allison Kunz:Let me find.. Anthony Godfrey:That's awesome. So the puzzle theme must be everywhere. Allison Kunz:Everywhere. I did take Joel P. with me and took my lanyard – Anthony Godfrey:Oh, yeah. Good. Good. Representing out there. Allison Kunz:-- make sure to rep our people. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, yeah. Okay. Here you go. Allison Lunz:Yeah. So that's the bag it came in. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, and that's the brand I was trying -- Ravensburger. Allison Kunz;Ravensburger was sponsoring. Anthony Godfrey:Yeah. Now, where do you get puzzles locally? Do you buy them mostly online, or do you go to -- Allison Kunz:I get a lot from thrift stores because I go through a lot. Anthony Godfrey:Red Balloon has a lot. Allison Kunz:Yeah. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, you get them at thrift stores because you -- Allison Kunz:I do because -- Anthony Godfrey:You need volume. Allison Kunz:Right. Training leading up to nationals, I was doing three or four puzzles a day. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, wow. Allison Kunz:And that's not sustainable on my salary. Anthony Godfrey:Of course. I understand. Allison Kunz:To spend $80 a day on puzzles. You know, they tend to range about $20. So, yeah, I get a lot of puzzles from thrift stores and just do them. Anthony Godfrey:So if anyone's listening and they have a 500-piece puzzle that they don't want anymore, they can drop that off at Joel P. Jensen. Allison Kunz:Absolutely drop it at Joel P. Anthony Godfrey:Okay. Allison Kunz:And if I'm not using it, they actually have a puzzle table here in the library, which I think is so cool for the kids. Anthony Godfrey:Okay. That's a legit request. If you're listening and you've done the puzzle, you've proven yourself, and it's a 500-piece, bring it by Joel P. Jensen. Allison Kunz:Bring it by. I will put it to work. Anthony Godfrey:Put it to good use. Allison Kunz:Yeah. Anthony Godfrey:I may have one myself. I'm thinking about that. Allison Kunz:Okay. Anthony Godfrey:I'm thinking about that. Allison Kunz:Drop it off, the 500 pieces are my favorite. Anthony Godfrey:Okay. Now, I see that some people have the top of the box propped up. Allison Kunz:Yeah. Anthony Godfrey:And some do not. Allison Kunz:Some do not have one of these fancy plastic– Anthony Godfrey:Yeah. And it looks like you brought one. Allison Kunz:I did. Yep. My son 3D printed this one for me. It's a box holder. It's got a little puzzle piece on it. It's kind of fun. Anthony Godfrey:Wow. That's very nice. So you slip it in the edge of the box in the slot right there. Allison Kunz:You can take the box into the slot, and that way you can have it in front of you looking at the puzzle picture. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, very nice. Allison Kunz:Some puzzles don't include a poster with their– Anthony Godfrey:Yeah. I do have one puzzle at home that had the poster that came, which was kind of nice to be able to– Allison Kunz:Yeah. Typically, American-made puzzles come with a poster, and those made overseas do not. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, interesting. Do you start with the outside edges? Allison Kunz:I do not, ever. Anthony Godfrey:You never start with the outside? Allison Kunz:Okay. I won't say never, but almost never. Anthony Godfrey:But generally, that's not the approach. Allison Kunz:No, because when I'm doing a puzzle quickly, I need to be able to slide pieces in. So I start with the middle, or I typically start with whatever I think is going to be the easiest, and work my way to the hardest. I might do the top edge, I might do the bottom edge, and kind of fill in, but yeah, I never do the full border. I used to. Anthony Godfrey:Well, it makes sense to me that that would just get in the way. Allison Kunz:It does. Anthony Godfrey:That would prevent you from moving pieces in. Allison Kunz:The more times you have to lift pieces up, that slows you down. It's not as efficient. Anthony Godfrey:Wow. Never thought of that. Allison Kunz:So if you're doing it for leisure, do the border. It gives you some structure. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, it will always be for leisure with me. Except when we throw down in a couple of minutes here to see how I do. Allison Kunz:To see if you can beat me? Anthony Godfrey:That's right. So, do you start with a particular color? Do you say, all right, this is the most distinctive feature on the puzzle? So I'm going to start with the, for example, on this one, I'm going to start with the panda in the treehouse. Allison Kunz:Yeah. So I started with the sky area to get that out of the way. And then I worked on the treehouse and on the white house, and then all this stuff on the bottom. You know, with a 500-piece puzzle, when I'm sorting it at the beginning, I might have five or six piles. And I will just grab a pile and try and make sense out of that and then move on to the next pile. And the biggest key to keeping it efficient is if you're not making progress, if you're staring at it for too long, skip that pile, go back to it later. Anthony Godfrey:So you pile them up by color. Allison Kunz:By color or by feature. Anthony Godfrey:Wow. Okay. I'm learning a lot here. Allison Kunz:Yeah. In order to make it faster, you've got to do some sort of sorting for most puzzles. There are a few that sorting doesn't do you very much good. Anthony Godfrey:Do you do, do you ever do puzzles that are larger or smaller? Allison Kunz:Sometimes, yeah. Yeah. I have puzzle boards. I have four puzzle boards at home, and they usually have varying levels of difficulty puzzles going on. I am working on a 3000-piece right now. Anthony Godfrey:So 3000-piece is just like, you know, leisurely. Allison Kunz:That's leisure. Yeah. Anthony Godfrey:That's leisure. Allison Kunz:Yeah. Yeah. I tend to stick with the thousand or less because I get impatient when it takes too long. Anthony Godfrey:A 3000-piece. Allison Kunz:But I do have a 3000-piece that has been very challenging that I'm just taking my time with. Anthony Godfrey:What's the theme of the puzzle? Allison Kunz:That one is SpongeBob, and it's lots of little tiny pictures. It was a gift from a friend a few years ago, sat in my closet, and I finally said, I have got to do this and get it out of my closet. Anthony Godfrey:Do you have trouble parting with puzzles? Allison Kunz:Yes. Anthony Godfrey:I tend not to part with a puzzle. Allison Kunz:If I really like a puzzle, I'll do it several times. So I'll do it and put it away a year or so later. I'll come back and do it again. I have a walk-in closet and it's half full of puzzles. I’m going to need a bigger house here pretty soon if this keeps up. Anthony Godfrey:Does the theme of the puzzle, like a SpongeBob or something else, draw you in? Because it seems to me that a lot of times it's kind of a random picture. Allison Kunz:I think– Anthony Godfrey:Fantasy theme or you know, or some— Allison Kunz:My favorite are like the folk art like Dowdle does. That's just my personal favorite. But in training for things like Nationals and Worlds, they'll throw anything at you. So I will buy anything and try it because I want– The more you do something the less intimidating It is. In life and in puzzles. So yeah, things like circle puzzles. Those throw me off every time. I really need to practice a bunch more of those. Anthony Godfrey:Circle puzzles. What about the ones that are either all the same color or a gradient? Allison Kunz:I do not enjoy those. No, I do like a gradient. Those are fun, and they don't go as slow as you would think. But ones that are kind of monochrome have one or two colors. Not really my thing. Anthony Godfrey:It's not for me. Allison Kunz:Like I might do it to challenge myself, but I wouldn't find it fun. Anthony Godfrey:Yeah. What is it that draws you specifically to Eric Dowdle's puzzles? Allison Kunz:I think because there's a story to all of them. You know, he goes out, he researches an area, he listens to people's s…

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    Episode 295: Terra Linda Students Have Big Appetite for Taking Care of Others May 01, 2025
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    They were hungry for donations and had a big desire to help those in need. On this episode of the Supercast, we take you to Terra Linda Elementary School where students and staff recently held a huge community food drive. A food drive that was so successful, it taught students if you have a huge appetite to help others and to be kind, you can make it happen. Audio Transcription Kinley:I feel good about how I collected so much food for like families that need it, because I might end world hunger. Anthony Godfrey:You might end world hunger. You're on your way to doing that. I'm so proud of you guys. How do you feel about having collected so much food? Grayson:I feel amazing because now people don't starve. [Music] Anthony Godfrey:Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. They were hungry for donations and had a big desire to help those in need. On this episode of the Supercast, we take you to Terra Linda Elementary School, where students and staff recently held a huge community food drive. A food drive that was so successful, it taught students if you have a huge appetite to help others and be kind, you can make anything happen. [Music] We're here at Terra Linda Elementary talking about the canned food drive. Introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about what's been happening. Natalie Newbold:So my name is Natalie Newbold. I'm a fifth-grade teacher, and I'm also in charge of the student council. Every year, we do a canned food drive, and we focus on points which are the most needed food items from the food bank rather than just simple food items. Anthony Godfrey:So if I brought a bunch of ramen, my points might be a little bit lower. Natalie Newbold:Actually, no, those are double. Anthony Godfrey:Okay, ramen is double. Oh, I guessed wrong. What are some of the foods that get the most points? Natalie Newbold:So the most points are peanut butter, mac and cheese, chili, SpaghettiOs, canned meats such as tuna, chicken, or beef, and anything boxed or packaged. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, okay. Very good. So, you turn it into a competition, I understand. Natalie Newbold:Yes, we do a competition where our first-place winner gets to be Mrs. Martinez for the day. Our second-place winner gets to be Mr. Davis for the day, and our third-place winner gets to be Mrs. Fuell for the day. Everyone goes crazy to try to get to be them for the day because they get to miss out on their school day, and they get to take over with her or them. Anthony Godfrey:I just saw some fist pumps from the students who have won that prize. Let's talk with each of them. First, let's talk with our third-place winner. Tell me your name and what grade you're in. Grayson:I'm Grayson, and I'm in fourth. Anthony Godfrey:And how does it feel to be in third place? Grayson:Very good. Anthony Godfrey:So you get to be the administrative assistant in the office where really everything is coming through the office. There's a lot of organization going. What are your plans as the administrative assistant in there? Grayson:Just to make people be their happiest, and if they're sick, get them home immediately or try to make them not sick. Anthony Godfrey:You have a really good sense of the job. That's awesome. So tell me your name in grade. Kinley:My name is Kinley. I'm in fourth grade. Anthony Godfrey:How about you as assistant principal? What are you looking forward to the most? Kinley:Maybe I can make it an early out day. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, an early out day. Get those buses over here. Get people home. Kinley:Yes. Anthony Godfrey:Okay. Well, let's see how that goes because you've still got to go through her. She's the principal. Principal, what do you think about an early out day? Vivienne Bartlett:That could be a possibility depending on the teachers and well. Anthony Godfrey:Listen to this political speech. Well, it could be a possibility. It depends on the teachers. Let's take a look at things. I love it. You're going to be a great principal, not just for one day. Maybe I can hire you as a principal later, do you think? Vivienne Bartlett:Yeah. Natalie Newbold:She was actually our mayor at BizTown. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, you were the mayor for BizTown? Vivienne Bartlett:Yeah. Anthony Godfrey:So you have leadership in your blood. Okay. Do you want to be a leader growing up? You already are here at school as a student leader. Vivienne Bartlett:Yeah. And actually my whole life I've wanted to be a teacher or a principal or some sort of school employee. Anthony Godfrey:You have a great future, and I am going to stay in touch with you. That's for sure. Tell me your name and grade. Vivienne Bartlett:I am Vivienne Bartlett, and I am in fifth grade. Anthony Godfrey:And tell me how you gathered so much food to be number one in the school. Vivienne Bartlett:Well, it's a magical place called Macy's, and my mom doesn't mind how much money we spend on food because it's going to a good cause. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, so you were able to persuade your mom that this was the way to go. Vivienne Bartlett:Well, yeah. Anthony Godfrey:Okay. Excellent. And how does it feel to have provided so much food for those who need it? Vivienne Bartlett:I feel really good about that. Anthony Godfrey:How do you guys feel about having collected so much food for the needy? Kinley:I feel good about how I collected so much food for like homeless and families that need it, because I might end world hunger. Anthony Godfrey:You might end world hunger. You're on your way to doing that. I'm so proud of you guys. How do you feel about having collected so much food? Grayson:I feel amazing because now people will starve and will have a bunch of people living on earth. Anthony Godfrey:Yeah, taking good care of people around you. It's wonderful. Now tell me, are you a competitive person having won number one? Did you have your eye on the prize the whole time? Vivienne Bartlett:Um, actually, no. I have never been competitive, but last night I was laying down like, I really, I just really hope I win this, and I've never actually felt competitive, but until last night. Anthony Godfrey:I think being competitive about helping people in your community not go hungry is a great thing to be competitive about. So, you're going to be principal for the day. Do you have an agenda? Do you have any ideas of what you want to do? Vivienne Bartlett:Um, I actually have no idea. Anthony Godfrey:You're pretty happy with how things are going at Terra Linda, so there aren't big changes you're looking for. Is that right? Vivienne Bartlett:Um, there are a few things I would change, but otherwise, you know, like I would have people pick up their, make sure they pick up their trash and stuff. Just, you know, help our janitor out. Anthony Godfrey:Sounds like you have a really good idea of how people can do a little bit better. That's exactly what a principal ought to be doing. I'm looking forward to your day as principal. I think that's awesome. You know, I'm here to help if you need. Are you going to be calling me on the day that you're principal for a consultation, maybe? Vivienne Bartlett:Yeah, probably. Anthony Godfrey:Okay. I'm counting on it. Give me a call. We'll talk through the issues. Okay. I have confidence in you. You're going to do a great job. So Natalie, tell us a little bit about where this came from. How did this get started? Natalie Newbold:So when I took over for a student council four years ago, I really wanted them to do a service learning project that had never been done before. And I wanted to do a canned food drive because it's easy and everyone can bring at least one can. We were hesitant because we have so many of our population that takes food home, but we decided to try it. And our first year, we got 1500 cans, and then it's just gone up every single year. They have just raised the bar, and the whole community gets involved. The parents get involved. And as you can tell, the kids absolutely love it. Anthony Godfrey:Well, it's had an impact on the students, even though we talked about the prizes that they're winning and the things they get to do. They're very focused on helping others and really being empathetic and thinking about the needs of other people and how they can help meet those needs. Natalie Newbold:Absolutely. Yeah. And that's the biggest thing that came out of it is you are seeing that they absolutely love helping people. And like Vivienne said, her mom's okay with spending a lot of money on it because it's for a good cause. And we hear that all the time. We just have parents in the morning just drop off big loads of food. So we love it. Anthony Godfrey:Well, so now you've involved the community, you've involved parents, and it extends beyond the school. So that's really exciting. And I think this is the perfect time of year for the food bank. Aren't they really depleted at this time of year and needing to catch up from having used up the food that they received over the holidays? Natalie Newbold:Absolutely. And that's why we try to do it during March. So it is a good time for everyone to donate. Anthony Godfrey:And these bins, we were here earlier for another event, and there are these huge cardboard bins out in the main hallway with a ton of food. When you see it all put together, it's really impressive. So it's a very tangible sign of the importance of this initiative and some incredible results. Natalie Newbold:Yeah, absolutely. We started off with one gigantic box and then several little barrels. And every year, we just keep adding more and more boxes. So we are we're absolutely loving the progress and the results we're seeing. Anthony Godfrey:Now I see that there's also a pizza party for the grade that has the most. Who is the top grade? Natalie Newbold:So our fourth grade will be winning that. And so they will get that pizza party, and they worked really hard. Fifth grade is in second place. And you can tell we just have amazing results with the rest of our grades. Anthony Godfrey:How many cans of food, how many food items this year? Natalie Newbold:So we have three thousand four hundred and five points, and we'd have to decide all that. Anthony Godfrey:Wow. Three thousand four. That's well beyond the first year. That's exciting. Natalie Newbold:Yeah, that is like double our first year. Anthony Godfrey:I love that you emphasize getting the right food because sometimes people are just bringing whatever they happen to have on hand. And this makes sure that the food that's provided is the food that can be used most easily and be most effective in combating hunger. So bravo. Thank you so much, guys. I'm really impressed with what you've done. This is so important, the service learning you've done and more than anything, the help that you're giving to people in your community. So thanks for being a great example to me and to everybody in your school. Natalie Newbold:Thank you. Students:Thank you. Anthony Godfrey:Thanks, guys. Stay with us. When we come back, we talk with the principal of Terra Linda Elementary School. Never miss an episode of the Supercast by liking and subscribing on your favorite podcasting platform. Find transcripts for this episode and others at supercast.jordandistrict.org. Break:In Jordan School District, we like to support students in and outside the classroom along with their families. That's where the Jordan Family Education Center comes in, offering support services and a wide variety of classes for students and their families, free of charge. You can take a class called Blues Busters for children feeling sad or worried. Just Breathe is a class that helps students reduce stress. Or how about a class that supports parents in helping their children make and keep good friends. There are also support groups and free counseling, all provided by Jordan School District school psychologists, counselors, and school psychology interns. To find out how you can benefit from free family support services offered by the Jordan Family Education Center, call 801-565-7442 or visit guidance.jordandistrict.org. Anthony Godfrey:Let's go take a look at what you've collected out here. This is a mound of food. This is so much. How does it feel when you look at all of this? You have to kind of peek up, go on your tippy toes to peek over the box. It's so huge. Are these yours that you brought in? Oh yeah, I've got some mac and cheese. What's that? These two are chock-full. Grayson:I did the purple boxes. That was my 90 points to get me in third place. Kinley:I brought a lot of the ramen. Anthony Godfrey:Yeah, I love ramen. It's good stuff. Natalie Newbold:They're going to be making the announcement any second now. Anthony Godfrey:Okay. [Student Council students announce the number of points earned by each grade] We're talking now with the principal of Terra Linda Elementary. Introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about Terra Linda. Yajaira Martinez:I am Yajaira Martinez, principal at Terra Linda Elementary, where we house preschool through sixth grade and three autism support classrooms. We're a very diverse population with a ton of amazing kids. Anthony Godfrey:Tell me what this food drive has meant to the culture of the school overall, how it's impacted students and the community. Yajaira Martinez:I think it teaches our students, this is our third year doing it, it teaches our students to come together, work together, but also encourage each other. We have other students encouraging other students to become principal of the day, but it also provides that sense of community and how to support each other in the neighborhood. Anthony Godfrey:It's really exciting to see how impactful it was for the three students who are the winners, and they didn't want to talk as much about the prize as about the impact that gathering the food has had. I feel like this has helped them really see things from the perspective of other students. Yajaira Martinez:I agree. Anthony Godfrey:You've seen that as well. Yajaira Martinez:I agree. Anthony Godfrey:So how are you feeling about a student being in your place for the day? She seems very capable, having been mayor of Biztown, and she seems well prepared for the role. Yajaira Martinez:Yeah, they love it. I actually see it as I have another person to help me out throughout the day, so it's fun. Anthony Godfrey:Perfect. I offered to let her call me if she needs a consult, but she's in good hands. I think it's going to go really well. It's exciting. Tell me, this is just one component of the positive culture that's here at Terra Linda. We were here to see students coming through and doing a little shopping based on some good behavior, some good things they've done in school. Tell us about that program. Yajaira Martinez:Yeah, so it's a program that I started, this is my fourth year, so we call it our PAWS. So it's our school-wide behavior program, where every time we catch them doing something that defines our PAWS, they get a little ticket that they drop into their grade-level basket. And every Friday, we just pull some out, and they get called down to come get something from the principal's office, whether that's a snack, a toy, or something. It really encourages them to just show that positive behavior throughout the school. Anthony Godfrey:There's a really nice array of colorful options here on the table, toys and prizes, like you said. But they're also timed. They get 10 seconds to choose what it is that they want. That gives an added level…

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    Episode 294: The Secret to Discovering a Student’s True Hidden Talents Revealed Apr 24, 2025
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    What if there was a tool to help your student discover their natural ability to do something pretty amazing? Well, that tool exists and it is being used right here in Jordan School District. On this episode of the Supercast, we meet some students involved in an aptitude-based program called YOU Science. Hear the exciting ways this program is helping students uncover natural talents they didn’t even know they had and in turn, helping them find their personalized pathways to future success. Audio Transcription Kellie Openshaw:I want them to see the different exploratory classes, like maybe it tells them you're a good fit for marketing, and manufacturing, and health science. Anthony Godfrey:You don't always think about what industries or what jobs might be right for you, and YOU Science is exactly that. It's a scientific approach to helping connect kids with opportunities. [MUSIC] Anthony Godfrey:What if there was a tool to help your student discover their natural ability to do something pretty amazing? Well, that tool exists and it's being used right here in Jordan School District. On this episode of the Supercast, we meet some students involved in an aptitude-based program called YOU Science. Hear the exciting ways this program is helping students uncover natural talents they didn't even know they had, and in turn, helping them find their personalized pathways to future success. We are here at Fort Herriman Middle School talking with Kellie Openshaw about YOU Science and how it's used in Jordan School District. Thanks for joining us. Kellie Openshaw:You're welcome. I'm glad to be here. Anthony Godfrey:You are the Director for YOU Science for the state of Utah, correct? Kellie Openshaw:That is right. Anthony Godfrey:So, tell us about YOU Science. What is it? And, now, the state provides that for every student in the state, and Jordan has really worked hard to take advantage of this great program. So, tell us about what it does. Kellie Openshaw:Absolutely. So, YOU Science is a college and career readiness platform, and it's a place where we want our students to cultivate their career and their life, and really see success for their future. So, as you mentioned, every student in Utah has access to a YOU Science account, and you know, there's a lot of college and career readiness platforms out there, and the thing that makes us unique is that we start with an aptitude assessment. We're the only company that provides an online aptitude assessment where we give the students a series of brain games and help them figure out their natural talents, like numerical reasoning, spatial visualization, 3D visualization, things like that. And so, by understanding those talents, we can show students careers that would be a good fit for them that they may not have otherwise considered. Anthony Godfrey:Tell us about when this is administered, when do students get access to this, and play the brain games? Kellie Openshaw:Sure, absolutely. So, we usually start with the aptitude assessment in seventh grade, and so we do a more simplified version. There's five brain games and then one interest survey, and we want our students, those results, to show them different industries that they're a good fit for. Because they're still in seventh grade, we want them to explore at this point, so we want them to see the different exploratory classes, like maybe it tells them you're a good fit for marketing, and manufacturing, and health science. Well, that helps them and their counselors know what kind of exploration classes to take in eighth or ninth grade to start figuring out what they may want to study more later. And then in ninth grade or after, we have them take the more advanced version, and that gets them to specific careers that they can start to discover. Anthony Godfrey:It's the blend of aptitude and interest. So, the brain games say, "Hey, you're pretty good at this," but then there's also interest. If you're interested in these things, these are the types of industries that might be a good career for you. Kellie Openshaw:Exactly. And it's really important. I mean, we obviously want our students to be interested in what they're studying. But a lot of times, if we think about teenagers and the things that they're interested in, they kind of live in this fun teenage bubble of friends and social, and sports, and music, and all the things. They haven't been exposed to a lot of the careers that are outside of that bubble. And the aptitude brings in that exposure to let them know, "Hey, I bet you didn't even know that you'd be really great at being in computers or really great at being in manufacturing.” Just things they hadn't had exposure to. So we call that our exposure gap. When we see an interest level in an industry versus an aptitude level, the difference between the two is an exposure gap. Let's take computer science, for example. Nationwide, we pulled our data on over half a million students, and there was a 75% exposure gap from the aptitude to the interest. So, figuring out how to get through that. And here in Utah, if we look at women, that exposure gap is 92%. So, how do we help, in this case, how do we help women figure out that they could actually be very talented in computer science, but it's not something they're naturally interested in? How do we close that exposure gap? Anthony Godfrey:I love the way you describe this exposure gap, the idea that you're good at something, but you don't even know it's out there as a career. You don't even know it's a possibility. Utah has a very diverse economy. We’ve worked hard at that. So there are options that even parents or others who might be advising them would not be aware of. My dad didn't say, "You know what? Have you considered being a superintendent one day? I think that would really work for you.” People can decide whether it really works for me. But I do love being a superintendent, and you don't always think about what industries or what jobs might be right for you, and YOU Science is exactly that. It's a scientific approach to helping connect kids with opportunities and with ideas about who they could be and what they could do. So, tell me about how parents would interact with this. Parents who are listening and say, "Well, hey, I have an eighth grader. Maybe they took that last year. Maybe it kind of didn't ever hit their radar." How do parents access this information? Kellie Openshaw:Yeah, great question. So the first thing is to have a conversation with your student and say, "Hey, do you remember taking those brain games? Do you remember YOU Science?" Because a lot of times, the students have an account and they've forgotten. Now, in your district, that is impossible because you're actually going back to the results often. And you're helping the students recognize this as a resource. But sometimes that's not the case. So I think the more our districts engage and go back to those results, they lean on those results to invite them to different things. It helps the parents be more engaged. Then, when a parent asks about that and says, "Hey, show me your results," because right now they'd have to show through their student's profile. We're working on a parent profile, so we're hoping we'll have that in the next year or so. But they can then sit down with their student. They can see their talents. They can see the different careers and industries that their students would be a good fit for. It really brings up some fun talking points for parents to have with their students, really introduces them to their students, quite honestly, where they have conversations they've never really talked about before showing, "Wow, I had no idea that you had a natural talent for organization or for recognizing patterns in numbers." Then it starts to click for the parent, where it's like, "Oh, now I know why, as a kid, you used to line up all of your race cars along the edge of the table." Or "Now I understand why you actually are really good at keeping a schedule." It just starts to help you see your students through a new light. So, for parents, I'd recommend talking to your students, have them pull up that account, and show you. Anthony Godfrey:Yeah, that's great. And like you said, it's a conversation starter, something that goes beyond “How was your day?” and walking through the room saying, "Oh, is that Fortnite you're playing?" Instead, it's a deeper conversation, and you learn something about your students' abilities and interests. Kellie Openshaw:Yeah. Anthony Godfrey:One of the things we did in Jordan District for those listening is we actually did go to the YOU Science results to find students who were particularly prepared or interested in the type of careers associated with NSA. We used that information, wrote letters, and sent those out to parents and students, and invited them to be part of a meeting where NSA had some internships that they wanted to fill. That was hugely successful. We had a great turnout because it wasn't just sending an email out to every student saying, "Hey, you decide whether this is of interest to you." We knew something about our students, and we were able to connect them with opportunities that they wouldn't have dreamt of. Again, it's not like, "You know, I wonder if you would be good at the NSA internship." Once you start toward one destination, you get a little different perspective on every destination, and you can move a little closer to your ultimate goal. Each pathway, even if you don't choose to follow that for the rest of your life as a career, it informs your next choice and helps you move forward, rather than feeling around in the dark, or just doing what you figured you would do because your parents or family members were already involved. So, I love how this blows the possibilities wide open and really does make the world their oyster in a really meaningful way. So, thank you very much, Kelly, for all the support you provide us and for taking time today. Kellie Openshaw:Absolutely. It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you. Anthony Godfrey:Stay with us when we come back more on YOU Science. [MUSIC] Never miss an episode of The Supercast by liking and subscribing on your favorite podcasting platform. Find transcripts for this episode and others at supercast.jordandistrict.org. [MUSIC] Break:Does your student want to become a veterinarian, commercial pilot, programmer? Maybe they want to make a difference as a dental assistant. These are just some of the programs offered as part of Career and Technical Education (CTE) in Jordan School District. CTE provides the technical skills needed to prepare students for future employment or a successful transition to post-secondary education. Career and Technical Education provides work-based learning opportunities. We partner with industry experts to offer apprenticeships and internships, with students working in the real world at real jobs while going to school. The CTE experience starts in our elementary schools with the Kids' Marketplace and grows through middle and high school. To explore all CTE has to offer in Jordan School District, visit cte.jordandistrict.org today, and let's get your child started on the pathway to a profession. Anthony Godfrey:We're talking now with Cyler and Glenn, two students here at Fort Herriman Middle School, about their experience with YOU Science. Thanks for talking with me today. Glenn:You're welcome. Anthony Godfrey:Tell me about YOU Science. What was it like taking the YOU Science assessments? Glenn:The number of things they were kind of weird, but they were kind of cool too, at the same time. Anthony Godfrey:Weird and cool number of things. What did the weird, cool number of things tell you about yourself? What did you learn in the results from YOU Science? Glenn:From the results, I learned that I'm great with or probably great. Anthony Godfrey:Allow yourself to be great. Not probably great. You are great at fill-in-the-blank. Glenn:Numerical checking or number checking. Anthony Godfrey:Okay. Did that surprise you? Glenn:Kind of, yeah. Anthony Godfrey:So you had not been walking around checking numbers, and suddenly you realize you're good at it. Glenn:Yeah. Anthony Godfrey:It's like discovering that you can fly or that you can turn invisible or something, some superpower. So, where has that led you now? Are you taking classes and doing things differently because of that? Glenn:Currently, I didn't think of looking at YOU Science to take my classes this year, but I am going to be taking more health science classes next year, not next year, in high school. Anthony Godfrey:I know this can change. You're not locked in just by being on the podcast and telling me this, but what sort of careers have you considered? Glenn:An EMT or a paramedic. Anthony Godfrey:I'm glad that there are people who want to be an EMT or a paramedic. That's exciting. What is it about those jobs that interests you? Glenn:I mean, you get to save people's lives. Anthony Godfrey:Yeah, you're definitely having an impact on people's lives in a very real and immediate way, so that's awesome. Great. How about for you? What's your experience been? Do you remember the assessment? Do you remember taking the YOU Science assessment? Cyler:Yeah, I do. The thing is, for me, I didn't think it'd add up too much. I thought, “Oh, this is just something for the teacher that they want us to do. I'll just quickly do it, and then I won't have to deal with it anymore.” And then I figured out later, "Oh, I guess this does raise an impact." Anthony Godfrey:Sounds like you're a survivor first of all. You know how to have an assignment in front of you and take care of business right away. Tell me what changed, what shifted when you took the YOU Science assessment. How was it different from what you expected? Cyler:There was a lot of, I can't remember exactly, but there was a lot of random things on it like, “Oh, I don't see how this is going to help with anything. I don't understand this or that.” Anthony Godfrey:But it was challenging, it was engaging. Cyler:Yeah, it was like, “Oh, this is really weird. I don't know what to do with this.” Anthony Godfrey:And what can you tell me about the results of your YOU Science assessment? Cyler:There was one big one. I have something about spatial reasoning. I'm able to place things where it should go. I'm really good at organizing. And something it said about me was, I was really artistic. Anthony Godfrey:I think that's a very unique combination, that you are artistic and you're highly organized. I think that can serve you quite well. So what are some of the careers and professions, jobs that you're thinking about that could tap into your artistic and organizational sides? Cyler:One thing that I've been trying to do is a cloth designing. So I've been designing clothes, I have a bunch of drawings of clothes. Anthony Godfrey:Tell me about the designs, what sort of style of clothing are you designing? Victorian, Elizabethan, what sort of a look are you going for? Cyler:Honestly, I don't really have a look. It's just, I'll get like, I'll think of something like a hat or shoes or just anything. And I'll be like, “Okay, so this is what it looks like. How can I make this look special in my own way? What's something that people usually don't do?” Like, for instance, wome…

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    Episode 293: Beloved DECA Advisor Has Lasting and Powerful Impact on Student Lives Apr 18, 2025
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    He is a Herriman High teacher who makes every student know they really matter. Someone who impacts the course of student lives and their future success every single day. On his episode of the Supercast, we take you inside Randy Kammerman's classroom where he has become an award winning DECA advisor, building a wildly popular program, leading students to high level careers in marketing and business. Listen and find out how Mr. Kammerman inspires a love for learning in his classroom, mixed with a couple of laughs along the way. Audio Transcription Randy Kammerman:I would say there is a spot for every single kid in DECA, but DECA is not for every kid. Ava:Eat, meet, compete, and you get to meet the best friends. Like all of these people mean so much to me. I would have probably never met them if it didn't, if we weren't in DECA together. Anthony Godfrey:These are great lessons that will translate to a lot of other aspects of your life. [Music] Anthony Godfrey:Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. He is a Herriman High teacher who makes every student know they really matter. Someone who impacts the course of student lives and their future success every single day. On this episode of the Supercast, we take you inside Randy Kammerman's classroom, where he has become an award-winning DECA advisor, building a wildly popular program, leading students to high-level careers in marketing and business. Listen and find out how Mr. Kammerman inspires a love for learning in his classroom, mixed with more than a couple of laughs along the way. We're here at Herriman High School talking with DECA officers. Tell me your name, grade, the event you're competing in, and what position you are in DECA. Ava:I'm Ava. I'm the Business VP. I'm competing in Finance Operations Research, and I'm a junior. Ana Arriaga:My name is Ana Arriaga. I am one of the presidents this year for DECA. I am– my event is Business Services Operations Research, and I'm a senior this year. Mackenzie:My name is Mackenzie. I'm also a senior this year. I'm VP of Marketing, and I'm competing in Independent Business Plan. Alex Milad:My name is Alex Milad. I am also a senior this year. I am also a Business VP, and I am competing in Business Service Operations Research. Anthony Godfrey:Business Service Operations Research. Alex Milad:It’s quite the name. Anthony Godfrey:Wow, okay. Now tell me which of you has to carry the most for your competition? Ana Arriaga:Me I do. Anthony Godfrey:Oh yeah, probably yours. So, what do you have to carry? Ana Arriaga:So I have... Anthony Godfrey:Tell us about your competition and what you have to... Ana Arriaga:Perfect. So it's business, the same, I’m Business Services Operations Research, and all of it, all of what it is, it's just a research paper. So we research a company organization and we just make a plan for them. So this year was to implement AI into their company. So all of the things they have to carry into my presentations, there's two of us. So we have posters, we have all of the handouts, which is we have every VM Van that we're gonna hand out. We have an iPad as well. We have a mini poster and I think that's...Oh, and then I also have like this paper handout that's like a driver profile, and yeah, it's a lot of things that we have to carry around. Anthony Godfrey:So you're making a pitch, a well-researched, serious pitch. Ana Arriaga:Yes. Anthony Godfrey:Okay, and tell me about your other categories. Tell us about your pitch. Ava:So mine is Finance Operations Research. So it's similar to Business Services, but it's for a finance company. So I'm working with a real estate company, Manning and Clark, to figure out how they can implement AI into their processes. Anthony Godfrey:And are all these real companies? Ava:Yes. Anthony Godfrey:So you're doing things for real companies as part of your competition. That's really cool. How about you? Mackenzie:Mine is a fake company. So mine is an independent business plan. So I had to– me and my partners came up with a product and ways to develop it. We did the finances for the whole company. Anthony Godfrey:So it's not a fake company, it's a potential company. Mackenzie:It's a potential company. Yes. We made our mock-up prototype. We had an app developer help us out, make us an app to present to our judges. So yeah, we made a whole business plan and we present that. It’s like Shark Tank. Anthony Godfrey:Wow. Alex Milad:Yeah, I'm also in Business Service Operations Research, and we are working with a construction management company, and they're huge. They do billions every year in revenue. Anthony Godfrey:This is a real one. Alex Milad:Yeah, a real construction management company, and we're also doing the same thing, trying to help them incorporate AI into their systems, make things better for them, pitching that to them. Anthony Godfrey:So, talk to me about what is involved in the competition. You are sending more people to nationals than any Utah High School has ever sent to national competition. What do you do leading up to that? Talk me through the year. Not every moment of the year, but what levels of competition, how does this all start? Ana Arriaga:So it depends on the project. So I started around September. I know Ava started around... Ava:I started my project. It was a school-based enterprise. It was my second project. I started that project in May of 2024 and was working on it. Anthony Godfrey:So you started last school year? Ava:I started last school year. Anthony Godfrey:That's why you all gasped when I said, "Oh, just summarize how you got here." So you started a long time ago. You choose the project. What are the levels of competition for you to qualify for nationals? Mackenzie:So we have three, basically three different events. We have our roleplay events. So there's a bunch of different categories like automotive services, and you can compete in like... Alex Milad:Team roleplays. Mackenzie:There are team roleplays, individual roleplays. And then there are sales presentations, which it's just a quick pitch to the person. It's like you have some time to prep beforehand, but a lot of it's improv. Roleplay is– all of it’s improv. And then projects, that's the papers that you prepare. So it's either a 10-page paper or a 20-page paper that you prepare all beforehand, and then do a 15-minute presentation on. Anthony Godfrey:And that presentation... So, is there a region competition, and then a state, and then nationals? Or do you just go straight from state to nationals? Mackenzie:So for our projects, it's just state to nationals. So we have to get to the top three in the state to qualify for nationals because our DECA as a whole in Utah is a bit smaller than other states. So, other states they have to qualify their projects for state, but we don't. We do have other competitions, but they're just for roleplays. So you'll go when it's just kind of for fun. You just practice. Anthony Godfrey:Well, yeah, so it's preparing you for state and national competition. Mackenzie:But the only time you'll ever actually present your project is at state. Anthony Godfrey:So we've had more people qualify from Herriman High than at any school in Utah. That's really exciting. You're all smiling at that. You should be very proud of that. That's a really big deal, and your leadership has been a part of that. Is this your first time at nationals for all of you, or did you compete at nationals as juniors and sophomores? Ava:So us three have competed before at nationals. Alex is a first-timer this year. Alex Milad:Last year, I did a project, and it didn't make it. It got fourth place, so you know. I could have let that break me down and be like, I'm not going to do DECA next year. Anthony Godfrey:DECA is all about rising up. Alex Milad:Yeah, it's all about sticking with it and putting in the work. This year, we did it, we made it to nationals. Anthony Godfrey:And how many people are going to nationals? Students:47. Ava:47 from our school. Alex:47. Anthony Godfrey:But you had more than that qualify. Alex:More qualified. Ava:51 qualified, 63 qualifications, so that includes people that double qualified. Ana Arriaga:So there's kids that do two projects each year. So I did two projects. I did a sales project, and then I did my BSOR project. So I qualify for both of them, so then you have to decide which one to go with. So that's how it works basically. Anthony Godfrey:So tell me where nationals are and what's involved. Ava:ICDC this year is going to be held at Orlando, Florida. And there's like 50,000 high school kids that will come and invade Florida for the whole week. Anthony Godfrey:Are you taking over Disney World? Ava:We're taking over Universal Studios. Anthony Godfrey:Oh, Universal Studios. I've been part of student trips where they shut the park down and teenagers take over. Because I was a high school assistant principal, I was not terrified, but everyone else in the area was. Ava:Everyone else is terrified. Everyone else is scared. But there's about four days of competition. There's a day for testing, a day for presentations, a day for roleplay presentations. And then you have our mini awards in the morning of Tuesday morning, and then you'll find out if you final for your project or roleplay. And if you do final, you have to go present again that day. And then at the end of the night, you'll find out if you've placed. Anthony Godfrey:Talk about the difference between judges at the state level and judges at the national level. Ana Arriaga:So we both did a project last year together. For state, we did great. Our judges were very nice. Ava:The judges at state were very involved, and afterwards they were like, “Oh, you did so good, see you at nationals.” And then when we got to nationals, it was a little disappointing. We went up, and our judge didn't give any indication whatsoever the entire time. And then– Anthony Godfrey:Just stone face, watching the presentation, no reaction. Ana Arriaga:It was really hard to make eye contact with her, too. Ava:She was looking down at her paper the whole time. And so after she got up– Anthony Godfrey:Where was she from? Is she from industry, I assume, from business? Ava:The judges are from– Alex Milad:It depends on the city. So most of the time, like last year, it was in Anaheim, so you get a ton of Disney employees, a bunch of ESPN employees all the time, or anybody from Anaheim city itself. Orlando is almost all Disney and surrounding areas. So most this year will be Disney employees of some capacity. Anthony Godfrey:So tell me, what are some of the skills that you have learned being part of DECA these years? Mackenzie:Public speaking. Public speaking was never something I was ever good at before nationals, or yeah, before nationals last year. But then, you know, I was at nationals all alone. I had my little PowerPoint presentation and a basket that had alpacas in it. And I had to go up to this random stranger that was like a business professional and be like, “Hey, will you stay at my resort? Please?” Anthony Godfrey:With the alpacas. Mackenzie:And so you had to really like just get comfortable being uncomfortable. And you had to understand that, like, even if you know, if they don't like you, it's nothing to do with you. And you just have to go, and you have to do your very best, and talk in the best way you can without stuttering. It was just it was a great lesson to learn. Ava:For me, I would say the thing I found the most is that not everything's about wins and losses. Like this year at state, we had our advisor win advisor of the year, and it was–and he's going to hate me for saying this. Anthony Godfrey:I heard about that. Ava:Yeah, he's hating me. But it was a lot cooler than, like, seeing our Business Services, Operations Research, they swept that event. And so seeing stuff like our advisor win advisor fear and having the B.S.O.R. sweep, it's just so much cooler than winning on your own project and succeeding by yourself. Anthony Godfrey:These are great lessons that will translate to a lot of other aspects of your life. And it's obvious that DECA has had a deep impact on you, that it's really changed who you are, and what you believe you're capable of, which is exciting. What drew you to DECA? For those who are listening, thinking, well, maybe I'd like this, or maybe my son or daughter would like this. What made you want to be part of it besides Mr. Kammerman? Because really, he's the draw. He's the magnetic center of DECA at Herriman. Ava:I think Herriman has an unfair advantage to other schools. We have a great advisor who actually cares about our projects. But other than that, like, DECA's very nerdy. Like we all know that. It's very– but you just got to have fun. And so I think that was something that really drew us in. You know, our whole motto is eat, meet, compete. So you come in, high school– Anthony Godfrey:Eat, meet, compete. I like that. Ava:High school kids love free food. Anthony Godfrey:Not retreat. Ava:Not retreat. Anthony Godfrey:Not repeat. Ava:No. Eat, meet, compete. And you get to meet the best friends. Like all of these people mean so much to me. I would have probably never met them if it didn't, if we weren't in DECA together. And so it was just the community that Herriman has built in the DECA program. We have the biggest DECA program. We have one of the biggest DECA programs in the entire state. And it's just been so cool to like see everyone come from, you know, there's football players and drill, and then there's like the eSports captains. And it's just all of these people that are so different, but they're all coming together for the same reason. And it's just such a cool experience. Anthony Godfrey:So in the Venn diagram of student life, there can be overlap with all of these groups of DECA at the center that pulls you together. What do you love most about Mr. Kammerman's class and being in DECA? Ava:He's one of the most humble people I've ever met in my entire life. He does not like the attention on him. Anthony Godfrey:He's pacing right now as you compliment him. He’s walking around the room trying to avoid it. Ava:The very first time I had his class, I was a junior in high school, it was my first day, I was terrified. I had heard a lot of things about Mr. Kammerman. He has a very big reputation that follows him. And it's great. It's all complimentary. But he just, we walked in on our first introduction. It wasn't like, “Oh, give three facts about yourself.” It's like, “What are you a nerd about?” Like, what do you care about? Like, what do you find weird? And it was just like he automatically makes you feel comfortable. And we ended up submitting him to be educator of the year for the Jazz, which he won. Anthony Godfrey:Well, yes. Yeah. I can think of three awards off the top of my head that he has won. Ava:Yes. Anthony Godfrey:So, yeah. Go on. Alex Milad:Yeah. Well, something about Mr. Kammerman, too, is he'll build a connection with every single student. He's not going to just leave certain students in the dust and focus on others. And that really rolls into DECA, like how they're saying, reading 20 to 30-page papers multiple times, leaving feedback, coaching the students rather than just telling them what to do. Having that connection that he already built with us from the first day, it goes so far. Mackenzie:He would print on my towels. For a prese…

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