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    Jeffery Saddoris

    I released my first podcast in 2009. I was hooked and have been recording deep-dive conversations with interesting and creative people about what they do and why they do it ever since.

    I like to think of these shows as three aspects of a larger conversation around creativity. In Process Driven, I talk with creators from a wide range of disciplines to discuss what they do and why. Deep Natter offers purposeful conversations with a variety of co-hosts that explore both the philosophical and practical sides of creativity and making art. Iterations is centered around solo observations and reflections, mostly around visual arts and my own creative process—like an inner monologue caught on tape.

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    Process Driven 40: Marc Wilson Mar 11, 2021
    Show notes

    While I’ve never really done one myself — not intentionally anyway — I am fascinated by long-term creative projects. I find the whole idea of intentionally and purposefully immersing yourself in something you know is going to take years to realize both inspiring and a little terrifying. But I guess if you find the right project, the challenges, obstacles and accidents both happy and unhappy make the journey of bringing whatever it is to life that much more rewarding.
    Marc Wilson is a photographer in the UK who has completed two such projects back to back. From 2010 to 2014, he produced a body of work called
    The Last Stand
    which, in his words “aims to reflect the histories and stories military conflict and the memories held in the landscape itself.” In 2015, after releasing the body of work as a book, he began work on his next project,
    A Wounded Landscape – bearing witness to the Holocaust
    , which is based around 22 Holocaust survivor stories. The six-year project, culminating in a 750-page book, was made at more than 160 locations and is told through more than 350 photographs, as well as transcripts of conversations, research and sound. I am so grateful for the opportunity to talk about this powerful and important body of work.

    LINKS
    Kickstarter for A Wounded Landscape – bearing witness to the Holocaust

    CONNECT WITH MARC
    Website: https://www.marcwilson.co.uk/
    Twitter: @marcwilsonphoto
    Instagram: @marcwilsonphoto

    CONNECT WITH ME
    Website: https://jefferysaddoris.com
    Twitter: @jefferysaddoris
    Instagram: @jefferysaddoris

    MUSIC
    Normalize by Stanley Gurvich
    Mysa by Laurel Violet
    Please Listen Carefully by Jahzzar (CC BY-SA 4.0)

    Music featured in this episode is licensed from Artlist, which is a terrific music licensing platform for YouTubers and filmmakers. Use the following link to get two additional months of Artlist free when you sign up: https://bit.ly/JS_Artlist

    This post may contain affiliate links. If you use these links to buy something, I may earn a commission. Thanks.


    Process Driven 39: Elliot Walker & Bethany Wood Mar 05, 2021
    Show notes

    In the middle of 2019, Netflix launched a show called Blown Away, which is a competition show for glass artists. The promos looked terrific and I think Adrianne and I were hooked from pretty much the first episode. We binged the whole season and it became sort of our go to recommendation for our Netflix-watching friends. I even reached out to Alex Rosenberg, one of the contestants on the show, who I sat down with for an episode of Process Driven.
    Fast forward to the beginning of this year when Netflix finally released season two of Blown Away and for the next ten episodes, Adrianne and I were right back in the hot shop with a new group of artists. And just like with season one, I know I wanted to talk to one of the contestants and I knew exactly who I wanted it to be. Both Adrianne and I were fans of Elliot Walker straight away. There was just something about his demeanor in the shop, not to mention that we absolutely loved what he made on the show. I really resonated with his approach to the materials, and the sense of humor he brought to the pieces he was making. I also really connected with how he spoke about his partner Bethany, who is not only his girlfriend, but also his assistant, his muse, and the curator of their gallery, Blowfish Glass.

    And just so you know, this conversation does contain spoilers. So if you haven’t seen season two, consider yourself warned.

    LINKS
    Blown Away on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/80215147
    Blown Away on IMDb: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9908860/?ref_=ttep_ep_tt
    Alexander Rosenberg on Process Driven: https://jefferysaddoris.com/everything/processdriven-28/

    CONNECT WITH ELLIOT AND BETHANY
    Gallery: https://www.blowfishglassart.com
    Website: http://ewalkerglassart.co.uk
    Instagram (Elliot): @ewalkerglassart
    Instagram (Bethany): @bethjadewood

    CONNECT WITH ME
    Website: https://jefferysaddoris.com
    Twitter: @jefferysaddoris
    Instagram: @jefferysaddoris

    MUSIC
    Reconciled by Sean Williams
    Normalize by Stanley Gurvich
    Please Listen Carefully by Jahzzar (CC BY-SA 4.0)

    Music featured in this episode is licensed from Artlist, which is a terrific music licensing platform for YouTubers and filmmakers. Use the following link to get two additional months of Artlist free when you sign up: https://bit.ly/JS_Artlist

    This post may contain affiliate links. If you use these links to buy something, I may earn a commission. Thanks.


    My Shows, Your Way Feb 22, 2021
    Show notes

    As many of you know, I currently produce three different podcasts, each with a different format and purpose. Process Driven is a deep dive conversation with a single artist to talk about what they do and why they do it. In Between is a conversation with a recurring group of co-hosts around a single topic or theme. Iterations is my audio journal — it’s shorter than the other two shows and it’s just me offering up thoughts or reflections around what I’ve recently been thinking about or trying to work through. As I said, each of these shows offers a different listening experience, but in many ways I see them as part of the same larger, ongoing conversation. As you might expect, each of the three shows has its own feed and if you want all of them, until last year you had to subscribe to all three individually. But early in 2020 I looked a little deeper at how people were listening to podcasts, and what I found was that most people don’t listen to every episode of every podcast they subscribe to. I know I don’t. Instead, they create playlists — cherry picking episodes from within a given show or even across multiple shows, which is exactly why I created my “Everything” feed. Listeners could now get all three shows, along with any one-off conversations or any future shows in one feed instead of multiples and they could just add episodes of my shows into the playlists they were already making.

    My plan from the beginning was to ultimately deprecate the individual show feeds and JUST have Everything. I even confirmed it again in an episode I put out in January called “Setting the Intention for 2021.” But the more I think about it and the more Adrianne and I talk about it, the more I’m questioning whether killing off the individual feeds is the best way forward.

    On the one hand, I can see where if you were unfamiliar with my shows — both past and present — and you went to my website for the first time, you might be a little confused seeing three different shows that, at least on the surface, all seem to deal with creativity and the creative process in one form or another.

    On the other, maybe you are familiar with the me and my back catalog but you just aren’t interested in my monologues or random conversations and you only want to hear my conversations with other creatives deep diving their process.

    Either way, having only a single feed for all that I do — despite my intentions behind it — might not be what you want as a listener. And one thing that I have learned from Adrianne is to meet people where they are, which means that if you are really only into one show, I don’t want to risk losing you as a listener because I’m forcing you to subscribe to shows that don’t really interest you. That doesn’t serve either of us.

    Look, I would love it if everyone listened to everything I released – and maybe that’s a goal I can shoot for – but I need to earn it. So, for now, I’m going to keep all of the individual feeds active and keep trying to meet you where you are.

    CONNECT WITH ME
    If you've got questions or feedback, you can connect with me on Twitter and Instagram @jefferysaddoris. If you’d prefer something more direct, you can email me at talkback@jefferysaddoris.com.

    Music in this episode
    Funk It Up by Steve Poloni
    In the Clouds by Be Still the Earth

    Music in this episode is licensed from Artlist, which is a terrific music and sound effects licensing platform for YouTubers and filmmakers. Use the following link to get two additional months of Artlist free when you sign up: https://bit.ly/JS_Artlist

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    Process Driven 38: Jack Lowe [Part Two] Feb 19, 2021
    Show notes

    In Process Driven 37, I had part one of this two part conversation with Documentarist, Jack Lowe. And while you don’t need to have listened to part one to enjoy this conversation, I invite you to go back and listen to it if you haven’t. Among other things, we talked about the origins of Jack’s Lifeboat Station Project, which has him traveling to all 238 lifeboat stations around the UK in his mobile darkroom Neena to make photographs with his 12×10 inch wet plate camera. In this conversation, we talk about some of the motivations for the project and the supportive community that has grown around it, as well as what Jack hopes people will take away from the body of work as a whole. And just as we did in part one, we go down a few rabbit holes and, of course, talk a bit more about
    The Life Aquatic
    .

    LINKS
    The Life Aquatic
    Part One of this conversation

    CONNECT WITH JACK
    Website: https://lifeboatstationproject.com
    Twitter: @ProjectLifeboat

    MUSIC
    Reconciled by Sean Williams
    Normalize by Stanley Gurvich
    Please Listen Carefully by Jahzzar (CC BY-SA 4.0)

    Music featured in this episode is licensed from Artlist, which is a terrific music licensing platform for YouTubers and filmmakers. Use the following link to get two additional months of Artlist free when you sign up: https://bit.ly/JS_Artlist

    This post may contain affiliate links. If you use these links to buy something, I may earn a commission. Thanks.


    Process Driven 37: Jack Lowe [Part One] Feb 12, 2021
    Show notes

    At the beginning of the year, I released an episode called
    Setting the Intention for 2021, and one of the things I talked about was how I wanted to make some changes to my shows, both in who I approach to record with and in how I actually produce and edit the episodes, for example using music and sound effects to enhance the ambience or atmosphere of an episode when it’s appropriate and serves the story.

    The first person I met on the back of all of this was Jack Lowe and I can’t really even tell you where I first heard his name or saw photos from his Lifeboat Station Project – most likely it was something that popped up on Twitter which over the past several months has become a terrific way for me to discover new work and connect with interesting people. Regardless, once I dove into a bit of Jack’s work, I knew I wanted to talk to him.

    LINKS
    Ambient Isolation: https://www.ambientisolation.com
    Matthew George Tuckey: @MGTuckey
    Jack’s Dawn Chorus: https://m.soundcloud.com/mrjacklowe/sets/dawn-chorus
    Daniel Meadows: https://www.photobus.co.uk
    Anthony Hopkins’ “Be bold…”: https://twitter.com/AnthonyHopkins/status/1344008299490861056

    JACK'S FIELD RECORDING KIT
    MixPre-3 II: https://www.sounddevices.com/mixpre/
    DPA 6060 Spaced Stereo Pair: https://www.dpamicrophones.com
    Audio-Technica M40X: https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/ath-m40x

    CONNECT WITH JACK
    Website: https://lifeboatstationproject.com
    Twitter: @ProjectLifeboat

    MUSIC
    Reconciled by Sean Williams
    Normalize by Stanley Gurvich
    Please Listen Carefully by Jahzzar (CC BY-SA 4.0)

    Music featured in this episode is licensed from Artlist, which is a terrific music licensing platform for YouTubers and filmmakers. Use the following link to get two additional months of Artlist free when you sign up: https://bit.ly/JS_Artlist

    This post may contain affiliate links. If you use these links to buy something, I may earn a commission. Thanks.


    The Value of Value Jan 20, 2021
    Show notes

    One of the hardest things about being an artist — beyond the actual making of the art — is deciding how to value the work we make. For many of us — and I’m putting myself squarely in the middle on this — the art I make is very personal, even though visually it may not seem like it. And, if I’m being honest, it’s not just the art, but the design, the podcasts, the books, basically anything that I’m applying any sort of purposeful effort into is personal. And isn’t that the way it should be? I know this might be a corny reference but saying that just now reminded me of a movie with Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan called you’ve got mail. Meg plays Kathleen, the owner of this little book shop in New York and Tom plays Joe, the owner of a big box book chain that ends up forcing Kathleen to close her shop, which coincidentally belonged to her mother. Anyway, at one point in the movie Joe apologizes to Kathleen for driving her out of business, saying that it was nothing personal. Kathleen, says something like “What is that supposed to mean? All that means is that it wasn't personal to you. But it was personal to me. And what's so wrong with being personal, anyway? Whatever else anything is, it oughta begin by being personal.” And that’s pretty much how I feel about the things that I make. The things I make are personal, they’re not just products. And all of this is part of a recent conversation with Jon Wilkening that began with a deceptively simple question.

    CONNECT

    You can find me on Twitter and Instagram @jefferysaddoris. Or you can email me at talkback@jefferysaddoris.com. You can find Jon on Twitter and Instagram @jonwilkening or on his website at jonwilkening.com.

    Music in this episode:
    Reconciled by Sean Williams
    Faster featuring Helios Armor by Skygaze

    All of the music featured in this episode is licensed from Artlist, which is a terrific music licensing platform for YouTubers and filmmakers. Use the following link to get two additional months of Artlist free when you sign up: https://bit.ly/JS_Artlist

    WANT TO SUPPORT THE WORK I'M DOING?

    Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Pocket Casts | Overcast | RSS | Spotify

    Tell Your Friends & Share on Social Media: You can even share a favorite show clip using the terrific Recast feature. I’ve made a video showing you how: Create Custom Audiograms with Recast by Simplecast - YouTube

    Buy a copy of my book: Photography by the Letter


    Setting the Intention for 2021 Jan 01, 2021
    Show notes

    Like many of you, I could not be happier to finally be rid of the raging dumpster fire that was 2020. I know the next year will be anything but easy, but I am cautiously optimistic that 2021 will be filled with new possibilities and chances to do things a little differently than last year.

    I started doing yoga about a month ago and Adrianne reminded me that there’s a concept in yoga about setting an intention at the beginning of a practice and while I’m not a fan of resolutions per se, I wanted to share a few things today that I’ve been thinking about for a while as a way of setting my intentions for the year ahead.

    To that end, I want to let you know about some of the changes that I’m making both personally and professionally moving forward.

    Let’s start with my shows. Early in 2020 I created a new feed called “Jeffery Saddoris: Everything” as a way for you to get everything I release, including Process Driven, In Between, Iterations, and any sort of one-off conversation, like the recent chat with Bill Wadman, all in one place. The response to that feed has been terrific – in fact subscriptions to the individual feeds have dropped off considerably as subscriptions to Everything have increased. It’s not one to one, but it’s enough that I’m going to deprecate the individual show feeds so that moving forward, I will only be publishing new episodes to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything. If you’re already subscribed to Everything, great. You will continue to get all of the episodes that I release, which should be not only easier to manage under just one feed but also more frequent since I don’t have to try to figure out where a particular conversation fits. If you are subscribed to one or more of the individual show feeds, please subscribe to Everything so you don’t miss anything moving forward.

    And I want you to know that I’ve thought about this quite a bit. I know there are some of you who might only want to listen to Process Driven and this move might initially feel like kind of a bummer. But, I think the way we listen to podcasts has changed, partially because there are so many. I know it’s definitely changed for me over the last few years. I subscribe to dozens of shows and only a very few do I listen to every episode. Instead, I simply create playlists of the episodes that look interesting to me, and the trends show that I’m not in the minority here.

    One of the things I’ve struggled with for quite a while is monetizing the work I do – and that goes for all of the work I do, from design work for clients to selling my paintings to whether or not to run ads on my podcasts. And without getting too deep into it here, it all revolves around self-worth and how I assign or ascribe value to the work I do. But I think I’ve come up with a solution that Adrianne and I have been talking about for a while now. A few days ago I tweeted a Venn Diagram with creativity on one side and philanthropy on the other and that place in the middle of those two things is where I want to be. So the solution we’ve come up with is that we’re going to donate the majority of any revenue that my creative endeavors generate into arts education and related non-profits. We’ll have details on the actual organizations soon, but the big picture is that this allows me to value the work I do in a way other than what it can do for me. It actually becomes more valuable in that the worth of it directly helps more than just me. I’m incredibly excited about it and again more details are forthcoming but that’s the big picture.

    I think that’s enough for the moment. As I said, I’ll have more details around all of this in the coming weeks. If you have questions or comments, you can find me on Twitter or Instagram @jefferysaddoris or you can email me at talkback@jefferysaddoris.com. As always, thank you for your time and your attention and for coming along with


    Off on a Tangent [Bill Wadman] Dec 26, 2020
    Show notes

    If you were an On Taking Pictures listener, you know how all over the place some of the conversations with Bill Wadman and me tended to get and this one is no exception. We talk a little about gear, a little about process and a little about whatever tangent we happen to feel like following. In other words, just a normal chat between friends who have literally hundreds of hours of recorded conversations behind them.

    SHOW NOTES

    Sound Devices MixPre - https://www.sounddevices.com/mixpre/
    RØDECaster Pro - https://www.rode.com/rodecasterpro/
    Apple Big Sur - https://www.apple.com/macos/big-sur/
    Gary Yost - http://www.garyyost.com
    Oculus - https://www.oculus.com/

    CONNECT

    Connect with Bill: Website | Instagram | Twitter

    Connect with me on Instagram and Twitter @jefferysaddoris or on my website at jefferysaddoris.com. If you’ve got questions or feedback, email me at talkback@jefferysaddoris.com.

    Music in this episode:
    Five to One by Steve Poloni

    All of the music featured in this episode is licensed from Artlist.io, which is a terrific music licensing platform for YouTubers and filmmakers. Use the following link to get two additional months of Artlist.io free when you sign up: https://bit.ly/JS_Artlist

    WANT TO SUPPORT THE WORK I'M DOING?

    Subscribe & Review: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Stitcher | Overcast | Google Podcasts

    Tell Your Friends & Share Episodes Online: You can even share a favorite show clip using the terrific Recast feature. I’ve made a video showing you how: Create Custom Audiograms with Recast by Simplecast - YouTube

    Buy a copy of my book: Photography by the Letter

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    In Between 23: The Space Disappears Nov 13, 2020
    Show notes

    I was talking to Sean Tucker the other day and I don’t remember what prompted it, but he asked me whether I’d seen some of the recent work our friend Maarten Rots was sharing on Instagram. I told him that I had and that it was terrific. “But do you know how he’s doing it?” Sean gave me a brief description of what was going on in the pictures and after going back and looking at Maarten’s feed again, I realized because his work flows together so beautifully, the “how” of the more recent pictures didn’t raise any sort of flag. It just didn’t register, so I reached out to Maarten to ask him about it and when he sent me a few behind the scenes shots of his setup, the photos took on a different meaning and I knew there had to be an interesting story about how he got there.

    CONNECT

    You can find Maarten on Instagram @maartenrots or on his website at maartenrots.nl.

    If you have questions, feedback on the show, or an idea for something you'd like us to talk about, I’d love to hear from you. Email me at talkback@jefferysaddoris.com or connect with me on Instagram @jefferysaddoris.

    Music in this episode: Take Me Higher (Jahzzar) / CC BY-SA 4.0

    WANT TO SUPPORT THE WORK I'M DOING?

    Subscribe & Review: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Stitcher | Overcast | Google Podcasts

    Tell Your Friends & Share Episodes Online: You can even share a favorite show clip using the terrific Recast feature. I’ve made a video showing you how: Create Custom Audiograms with Recast by Simplecast - YouTube

    Buy a copy of my book: Photography by the Letter


    Process Driven 36: Gregory Crewdson Nov 10, 2020
    Show notes

    There are only a handful of photographers whose work is instantly recognizable and fewer still who have become a genre unto themselves. I was first introduced to the pictures of Gregory Crewdson through a body of work called
    Beneath the Roses. I felt instantly connected to that world he so meticulously crafted and I’ve been a huge admirer of his work ever since.

    In 2016, I had the opportunity to sit down with Gregory for a conversation about his body of work called
    Cathedral of the Pines. It was a terrific experience for me, not just because Gregory is one of my favorite photographers, but because it provided a glimpse behind the curtain to a photographic world that I find both moving and familiar. In 2018, Gregory began making photographs for his newest body of work.
    An Eclipse of Moths continues his exploration of themes like brokenness and isolation as well as a profound connection to light and the encroachment of the natural world. To some that world may seem bleak, especially on first glance — but a deeper look will reveal a narrative that is hopeful and rich with possibility.

    As we sat down to talk about
    An Eclipse of Moths
    , I began by asking him about the geography he revisits again and again and whether his pictures could be made anywhere else or is the place he now calls home a necessary part of his expression as an artist.

    LINKS
    An Eclipse of Moths
    (with music by Jeff Tweedy) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYhGYZCc_hk
    An Eclipse of Moths
    (Aperture book) - https://aperture.org/books/gregory-crewdson-an-eclipse-of-moths/
    Process Driven 05: Gregory Crewdson - https://jefferysaddoris.com/everything/processdriven-05/
    CNN Arts Feature - https://www.cnn.com/style/article/gregory-crewdson-photography-eclipse-of-moths/index.html

    IMAGE DETAILS
    GREGORY CREWDSON
    Funerary Back Lot,
    2018 - 2019
    Digital Pigment Print
    56 1/4 x 94 7/8 inches / 142.9 x 241 cm (unframed)
    Edition of 4, with 2 APs
    © Gregory Crewdson. Courtesy Gagosian

    CONNECT WITH GREGORY
    Website: https://gagosian.com/artists/gregory-crewdson/
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/crewdsonstudio
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crewdsonstudio/

    MUSIC
    Please Listen Carefully
    (Jahzzar) / CC BY-SA 4.0


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