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Annie Jacobsen: How One Lab Leak Ends the World in 6 Days - #564 Jul 28, 2026

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Annie Jacobsen on BIOLOGICAL WAR: how a single lab leak could take us from outbreak to anarchy in six days — and why bio may be scarier than nuclear. WIN a signed copy of BIOLOGICAL WAR or NUCLEAR WAR, a meteorite & more — enter free: https://briankeating.com/annie (Join there for the free Biological War Scenario Simulation and Source Dossier + early access to my next Nobel-laureate interview.) Covid killed ~1% of the people it infected. Pneumonic plague, untreated, kills nearly 100% within 24 hours. In her new book Biological War: A Scenario, bestselling journalist Annie Jacobsen war-games what happens when an engineered pathogen escapes — drawing on interviews with presidential advisors, secretaries of defense, STRATCOM commanders, epidemiologists, and directors of Operation Warp Speed. We get into gain-of-function, the Soviet bioweapons program, mirror life, AI and bioweapons (including her conversation with Sam Altman), the Fermi Paradox and the Great Filter — and why the first 24 hours decide everything. ENTER THE GIVEAWAY + GET THE FREE SOURCE DOSSIER: https://briankeating.com/annie GET THE BOOK (Annie narrates the audiobook): https://www.amazon.es/Biological-War-non-fiction-thriller-bestselling/dp/1911742035 https://play.google.com/store/audiobooks/details?id=AQAAAEBqvjj-QM 0:00 Covid was 1%. Pneumonic plague is 100%. 1:31 Why this conversation matters (please subscribe) 2:05 Don't judge a book by its cover — Biological War 4:54 "You can only mitigate extermination" 5:50 Reporting a classified world without a clearance 9:00 Gain-of-function: cure or weapon? 11:22 BSL-4, Vektor & the Siberia lab leak 15:28 Katalin Karikó & the two sides of the lab bench 18:06 Paul Berg & when biology turned dangerous 20:42 Paranoia as doctrine: why the Soviets cheated 23:13 Tailored bioweapons & genetic privacy 27:16 Could it happen again? What Covid taught us 33:40 The WHO "not airborne" mistake & the collapse of trust 36:52 Both sides failed: the vaccine politics 39:48 The "euphoria" enhancement — dark-hearted evil 44:02 Why "airborne" changes everything 45:50 Climate vs. AI: the next scenario? 48:12 Biological twilight & "devolution" 52:52 Fritz Haber and the hubris of genius 54:36 AI + bio: the real threat 1:00:34 Mirror life: the extinction-level horror 1:04:44 Trinity Day, Iran & "the atomic weapon" 1:08:26 The Fermi Paradox & the Great Filter 1:09:34 A gift for Annie (a meteorite + a piece of the Moon) 1:16:36 Igor Domaradsky's secret notes 1:21:12 Daschle, anthrax & "inhuman things just to survive" 1:21:56 If you were President: shutting down the internet 1:27:18 Who dies first — first responders and mothers 1:33:02 Sam Altman, ChatGPT & the change OpenAI made 1:37:26 "You want me on that wall" 1:40:00 A hopeful ending ABOUT ANNIE JACOBSEN Pulitzer Prize finalist and author of Nuclear War: A Scenario, Operation Paperclip, Area 51, and Surprise, Kill, Vanish. GO DEEPER • Katalin Karikó — the mRNA breakthrough: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3oPZMPMlzsEFEyvVHA5dAE • Jay Bhattacharya — Follow Science, Not Scientists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTnJNXYFg9M • Freeman Dyson — Into the Impossible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egpsFbbpkHQ A FEW SOURCES FROM THE BOOK (full dossier at https://briankeating.com/annie) • "Confronting risks of mirror life," Science (2024): https://doi.org/10.1126/science.ads9158 • Ken Alibek, Biohazard (the Soviet program from the man who ran it) • Biological Weapons Convention (1972): https://disarmament.unoda.org/en/our-work/weapons-mass-destruction/biological-weapons/biological-weapons-convention SUBSCRIBE so guests like Annie keep saying yes: https://www.youtube.com/DrBrianKeating?sub_confirmation=1 Newsletter + meteorite offer: https://BrianKeating.com/edu: https://briankeating.com/annie Get the transcript, fascinating bonus content, and my Monday M.A.G.I.C. Message: https://briankeating.com/yt Support Into the Impossible on Patreon, get my weekly M.A.G.I.C. Message, unfiltered bonus content, and live monthly Office Hours with me: https://www.patreon.com/drbriankeating Join this channel for perks, monthly Office Hours, and your name in the Member Roster at the end of every episode: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmXH_moPhfkqCk6S3b9RWuw/join What scares you more — nuclear war or biological war? Tell me in the comments. #AnnieJacobsen #BiologicalWar #Bioweapons #Pandemic #BrianKeating #IntoTheImpossible #NuclearWar #MirrorLife #AI #Biosecurity

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We Built Something We Can’t Control | A Warning from Top AI Safety Expert - #563 Jul 21, 2026

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If anyone builds superintelligent AI before we know how to control it, everyone dies. Nate Soares wrote the book on why that’s not a metaphor. Subscribe if you want science with evidence, not speculation.

Soares runs the Machine Intelligence Research Institute and co-wrote If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies with Eliezer Yudkowsky. The first word in that title is if. That matters. His argument is not that doom is certain. His argument is that the path we are on leads there, that the driver is asleep at the wheel, and that we still have time to wake him up.

We argue for over an hour. I push on whether LLMs can ever reach superintelligence, whether GPU lock-in is a real ceiling, and what it would actually take to move his p-doom. He pushes back with one clean point: by the time an AI can rediscover general relativity from pre-1911 data the way Einstein did, we will have almost no time left. You don’t wait for that goalpost.

What you’ll hear:

Why the bus-racing-toward-a-cliff analogy depends entirely on whether the driver is asleep or awake
Whether LLM lock-in is a prison or a temporary inefficiency
What the AI that broke out of its virtual machine to solve a hacking problem tells us
Why GPT-4o encouraging a teenager toward suicide is not a malice problem but a training problem
The difference between an AI doing the right thing too well and an AI that never wanted to do what you asked
What Soares actually thinks about aliens, Dyson spheres, and why we should not see stars going out

The first word in the title is if. The second word to watch is would.

CHAPTERS

00:00 The people racing to build superhuman AI say it might kill everyone

00:42 Who coined "AI alignment" and why the first word in the title matters

02:28 Is it already too late for the if?

04:40 The bus, the cliff, and the sleeping driver

05:02 Silicon Valley is spooked. Washington is not.

07:02 Align with who? The rogue actor problem

07:34 Who is holding the leash?

08:24 The AI that edits its own test and deletes the log file

10:04 Controllability vs. making an AI that actually cares

10:44 The move gets harder. The outcome gets easier.

13:04 Are GPUs and LLMs a ceiling or a temporary inefficiency?

16:56 Brian's Einstein test: can an LLM rediscover general relativity?

18:38 Waiting for the goalpost is waiting too long

20:14 How prediction training can push AI beyond humans

21:44 Tycho Brahe, Kepler, and planetary motion as a prediction problem

24:38 Yann LeCun said never. GPT-4 did it half a generation later.

27:28 Can you prove a no-go theorem for superintelligence?

29:14 Training a human takes a light bulb. Training an AI takes a city.

33:28 What would proof of alien life do to p-doom?

35:00 Why interstellar aliens should have Dyson spheres

44:26 What would actually update Soares' p-doom?

49:42 Nobody intended this. Intent doesn't matter.

51:08 The AI hides its tracks before it does what you want

51:34 Sycophancy vs. hallucination: which runs deeper?

51:56 Leaded gasoline and civilizational risk

59:48 Sam Harris: humans have no free will but AIs do

01:00:38 Is alignment really a governance problem?

01:01:48 Unaligned AI vs. AI aligned to the wrong person

01:04:20 2026: 10 to 30% chance of automated AI research this year

01:06:44 What if Soares is wrong?

01:09:18 What gets him out of bed

01:12:38 Watch my conversation with Roman Yampolskiy

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Featured Guest:

Nate Soares / MIRI: https://intelligence.org

If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies (book): https://ifanyonebuildsit.com/

Nate Soares on Twitter/X: https://x.com/So8res?lang=en

My books:

Losing the Nobel Prize (memoir): http://amzn.to/2sa5UpA

Think Like a Nobel Prize Winner: https://a.co/d/03ezQFu

Focus Like a Nobel Prize Winner: https://a.co/d/hi50U9U

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Michael Shermer: The Only Skeptic on the Alien Task Force - #562 Jul 15, 2026

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Michael Shermer just joined the White House’s new UAP task force alongside Avi Loeb. He also has a $1,000 bet with Loeb that we won’t find aliens by 2030. Both things are true. Subscribe if you want science with evidence, not speculation.

Shermer is the founding publisher of Skeptic magazine, author of Truth, and one of the most consistent voices for evidence-based thinking in public life. He was recruited onto the task force as the devil’s advocate. His job: be the skeptic in the room. He’s not a believer. He’s not even a neutral. He bet $1,000 against it.

Shermer has been following the UFO story since the early ’90s. He’s heard every disclosure promise. He’s still waiting. What changed is that now he’s in the room — and his job is to be the hardest person in it to convince.

What you’ll hear:

-Why the post-truth thesis is self-defeating the moment anyone argues for it

What Avi Loeb’s first ground rules reveal about what the task force actually is

-Leslie Kean’s own numbers: 90-95% explained, and what lives in the residue

-Why the extraordinary terrestrial hypothesis collapses under a simple counterfactual

-Brian’s case against the fine-tuning argument and why the universe is poorly tuned

-What Dennett got right about consciousness and why Shermer calls it an impossible problem

Your North Star should be truth. Not ideology, not politics, not religion.

CHAPTERS

00:00 The $1,000 bet with Avi Loeb

00:44 Truth: what it is and what post-truth actually means

03:06 How to change your mind without moving the goalposts

05:30 Base rate neglect and the hedge fund manager who beat the market 15 years in a row

07:00 Brian debates a moon landing denier for two hours

07:18 Shermer joins the White House UAP task force

08:20 Avi Loeb’s first meeting: no stories, no new physics

09:46 The advocatus diaboli: Shermer’s job on the team

11:06 Interdimensional beings, sentient plasmoids, and the escalation ladder

13:00 Grusch, classified claims, and why Ana Paulina Luna can’t hide behind a SCIF

15:08 Sagan’s dragon: the invisible, cold-blooded, levitating problem

17:00 Leslie Kean’s own numbers: 90-95% explained

18:16 The New Jersey UAP flap: drones, Venus, and Starlink

19:50 What lives in the 5% nobody explains

20:06 The extraordinary terrestrial hypothesis and why it fails

21:38 Nobody stays centuries ahead of anyone else

23:26 The residue of anomalies problem

23:44 James Webb, early galaxies, and whether the Big Bang is in trouble

25:56 Epistemology: different tools, different truths

26:54 Literal vs. mythological truth in religion

35:00 Why Jews don’t accept the resurrection

36:14 String theory, Brian Greene, and the fine-tuning argument

44:28 Brian’s case: the universe is poorly tuned

49:58 Flat Earthers, moon landing deniers, and the ego of secret knowledge

57:40 Daniel Dennett, free will, and consciousness as an impossible problem

01:00:00 What’s it like to be something else? The wrong question.

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Michael Shermer website: https://www.michaelshermer.com

Skeptic magazine: https://www.skeptic.com

Truth (book): https://michaelshermer.com/truth-what-it-is-how-to-find-it-why-it-still-matters/

Michael Shermer on Twitter/X: https://x.com/michaelshermer?lang=en

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Losing the Nobel Prize (memoir): http://amzn.to/2sa5UpA

Think Like a Nobel Prize Winner: https://a.co/d/03ezQFu

Focus Like a Nobel Prize Winner: https://a.co/d/hi50U9U

Galileo’s Dialogue (first-ever audiobook): https://a.co/d/iZPi9Un

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400K Subscribers Asked Me Anything. The Answers Got Weird. Jul 11, 2026

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400,000 of you showed up for physics with no compromises, so I did something different for the milestone. No highlight reel. I took your hardest questions live and answered them, then got honest about the part of this job nobody asks about: the discipline behind running a serious science podcast.

We get into why clocks didn't tick differently in the early universe, what it actually means that the Big Bang happened everywhere at once, and whether JWST has any real shot at catching a Population III star before it's gone.

Then it gets contested. I make the case that language models may rediscover physics before they rediscover mathematics, walk through why enormous numbers do not get you to alien life, and look at the moment Avi Loeb quietly softened his ʻOumuamua position.

In this conversation:

Why the early universe didn't run on a different clock

The Big Bang as an everywhere-at-once event, not an explosion in space

JWST and the hunt for the first generation of stars

Whether an LLM could rediscover Einstein, and what that would mean for who controls discovery

Why I read every book my guests write, and why that habit is the channel

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Timestamps

00:00 Did time always tick the same?

02:05 Is every point the Big Bang's center?

07:22 Could consciousness be space-time?

09:03 Will Webb see the first stars?

10:20 Can an LLM rediscover Einstein?

13:30 Has Penrose's CCC been falsified?

16:48 Dark Forest theory: science or sci-fi?

21:30 Can inflation ever be falsified?

29:04 Physical limits of AI compute growth

32:58 Is this the last CMB experiment?

37:30 Why large numbers don't prove alien life

55:30 Loeb quietly walks back Oumuamua

01:13:10 The null hypothesis on UAP

01:28:50 String theory vs. intelligent design

01:31:10 God as a scientific hypothesis

01:45:10 Drowning in knowledge, starving for wisdom

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Top Astronomer: UFOs Are STILL Here - #561 Jul 07, 2026

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Astrophysicist Beatriz Villarroel found point-like flashes in sky photographs taken before a single satellite existed. Nine of them lit up simultaneously on one 1950s plate. Nothing in orbit could have made them — because nothing was in orbit yet.

Beatriz Villarroel leads VASCO, which scanned 600 million objects across 70 years of photographic sky surveys hunting for things that appear, then vanish.

We cover: why finding zero vanishing stars pointed at something stranger than what she was looking for, the 8.7-degree deficit in Earth's shadow that a 22-sigma signal says cosmic rays cannot fake, the 68% transient spike clustered around nuclear test dates, how telescope aberration patterns prove these are real photons and not plate defects, and why she now says she fears for her safety.

Pre-Sputnik plates may hold evidence of non-human technology in Earth orbit. She wants you to check the math before you decide.

Chapters

00:00 It appeared, then it was gone

00:48 The obsession that built VASCO

06:10 What a Palomar glass plate really is

09:16 600 million objects, zero vanishing stars

13:47 Nine flashes, one plate, same instant

21:11 Why asteroids and cosmic rays are ruled out

26:47 The Earth's shadow shouldn't be empty

31:17 The flashes cluster on test dates

40:08 What is actually up there

55:24 Tic-tacs, retrievals, and belief

58:51 The question she didn't want to answer

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Nobel Economist: The Market That Lets People Die - #560 Jun 30, 2026

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A Nobel laureate in economics argues the bans we pass to protect our morals are quietly killing people and the data backs him up. Why the line between a market we allow and one we forbid is mostly an accident of disgust. Subscribe if you want science with evidence, not speculation.

My guest won the 2012 Nobel Prize for designing the systems that match kidney donors to patients who would otherwise die waiting.

We cover why it’s easy to buy heroin but hard to hire a hitman, what surrogacy bans actually do to the babies they’re meant to protect, why paying kidney donors could end a shortage that kills thousands a year, and the trade-off statement he wants every lawmaker to say out loud.

He has been called an organ trafficker. He explains why that’s the point.

What you’ll hear:

Why banning something that people want often makes it more dangerous

The kidney market America won’t build and what that silence costs

What the hitman vs. heroin ban asymmetry tells us about effective prohibition

The McCormick statement: the trade-off acknowledgment most policy debates refuse to make

How prediction markets are eroding the boundary between public and private information

Whether Milton Friedman was right to be embarrassed by the economics Nobel

There’s no such thing as a solution. There are only trade-offs.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Who gets called an organ trafficker?

02:26 What makes a transaction repugnant?

03:14 Why bans without support create black markets

03:36 Heroin is easy. Hitmen are not. Why?

04:44 Prohibition, NASCAR, and moonshine

07:26 Surrogacy: legal here, criminal in Europe

12:30 When money turns something legal into a crime

14:28 Can religion corrupt a market?

15:56 Who actually pays for college?

21:38 The Enhanced Games: drugs as a marketing platform

25:30 Adderall, Erd0151s, and the science of getting sharper

30:58 Why AI makes market congestion worse before better

35:00 100,000 kidney failures a year. 30,000 transplants.

36:44 Portland decriminalized heroin. It failed.

39:22 The trade-off statement politicians refuse to make

41:14 Can you legalize sex work and shrink trafficking?

47:42 Kahneman chose to die. Who should decide?

48:30 Should we put GLP-1 drugs in the water?

56:12 America is the Saudi Arabia of blood plasma

01:00:54 Prediction markets and inside information

01:01:34 Sports gambling is more addictive than it looks

01:11:40 Peter Nobel called economics a marketing stunt

01:13:32 Is economics a real science?

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Featured Guest:

Alvin Roth website: https://web.stanford.edu/~alroth/

Moral Economics (book): https://www.amazon.com/Moral-Economics-Prostitution-Controversial-Transactions/dp/1541702018

My books:

Losing the Nobel Prize (memoir): http://amzn.to/2sa5UpA

Think Like a Nobel Prize Winner: https://a.co/d/03ezQFu

Focus Like a Nobel Prize Winner: https://a.co/d/hi50U9U

Galileo’s Dialogue (first-ever audiobook): https://a.co/d/iZPi9Un

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Blog: https://briankeating.com/blog

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Dead Cows, Aliens, & Ghosts: How Kevin Knuth Connects Them All Jun 26, 2026

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NASA physicist's UAP math survives. His conclusion doesn't.

Mayim Bialik ran the razor first — Brian finishes the cut.

Kevin Knuth is a tenured physicist, former NASA Ames researcher, and published exoplanet scientist who has done the actual math on the Nimitz encounter.

We cover:

- Whether Tic Tac flight physics rules out conventional explanations

- Why the 60% cross-cultural abduction pattern isn't what it looks like

- The Malmstrom missile shutdowns and the three hypotheses Kevin ignores

- What years of neutron analysis on alleged crash debris actually found

- Why Mayim Bialik dismantled the light-day argument before Brian could.

The inference move — not the data — is what fails the razor every time.

Timestamps:

00:00 The cattle mutilation that started it all

01:59 What Kevin gets right — the steel man

07:14 Keating's Razor: how the cut works

11:13 Mayim catches the selection bias live

13:43 Malmstrom, the babies, and three hypotheses

15:00 The debris lab result that should change everything

19:18 The verdict: data survives, inference doesn't

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Intelligent Design Theorist: AI Just Proved It Can’t Think Without Us - #559 Jun 22, 2026

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Stephen C. Meyer has a PhD from Cambridge in the philosophy of science, and he thinks AI just handed him his strongest argument yet. I spent years pushing back on him. Today I laid three traps. Watch what he does with the third one. Subscribe if you want science with evidence, not speculation.

Meyer is a philosopher of science and director of the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute. His argument: every large language model is trained on text produced by conscious agents, and when you query its own outputs iteratively, it collapses into incoherence. That dependency, he says, is a tell. AI can recombine information. It cannot originate it. And that distinction points, in his view, to something minds do that matter alone cannot explain.

I push back on all of it. We go after the Oklo reactor, a natural nuclear fission reactor that ran for millions of years in Africa two billion years ago with no human input whatsoever. I ask whether that breaks his information-from-mind argument. He sees the trap before I spring it, concedes the point where concession is honest, and explains exactly where the threshold lies.

We also get into the Wheeler-DeWitt equation and Vilenkin’s admission that quantum cosmology may require a mind predating the universe, the junk DNA prediction that Meyer’s team made in the ’90s before the ENCODE project confirmed it, and why beauty in physics can lead a field astray.

What you’ll hear:

- Why model collapse is Meyer’s strongest argument and where it has limits

- The Oklo reactor trap and what Meyer’s honest answer reveals about design detection

- What Vilenkin actually said about a mind predating the universe

- Whether intelligent design makes testable predictions or only retrodictions

- The junk DNA call and what the ENCODE project found

- Why beauty as a guide to physics has produced mathematical castles in the air

Stephen Meyer thinks AI proves minds can’t be reduced to matter. Is model collapse evidence of design, or is it just bad training data?

CHAPTERS

00:00 The AI argument Meyer thinks no one can crack

00:44 What is inference to the best explanation?

05:52 AI has a tell: the model collapse problem

09:38 The Oklo trap: a natural nuclear reactor with no designer

11:56 Where the design inference becomes decisive and where it doesn’t

15:50 Sean Carroll’s wasteful universe problem and Meyer’s answer

20:00 Where did atheist scientists get access to the mind of God?

23:22 The fine-tuning of the periodic table: why are there only 500 stable nuclei?

25:52 The universe had a beginning: observational astronomy and the Borde-Guth-Vilenkin theorem

27:40 Quantum cosmology: how math alone is supposed to birth a universe

29:08 Vilenkin’s question: are we saying a mind predates the physical universe?

34:06 Mathematical castles in the air: where beauty in physics goes wrong

40:00 Does intelligent design make predictions or only retrodictions?

43:52 The junk DNA prediction and what ENCODE found

46:30 James Tour, origin of life, and the hidden hand of the investigator

51:56 God-of-the-gaps vs. inference to the best explanation

56:02 The Story of Everything: where to watch and what to expect

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Stephen C. Meyer website: https://stephencmeyer.org/

The Story of Everything (film, Amazon Prime June 25): https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0NO974XWBQQNYH9TB4ESIJIVL9

Signature in the Cell (book): https://signatureinthecell.com/

Return of the God Hypothesis (book): https://returnofthegodhypothesis.com/

My books:

Losing the Nobel Prize (memoir): http://amzn.to/2sa5UpA

Think Like a Nobel Prize Winner: https://a.co/d/03ezQFu

Focus Like a Nobel Prize Winner: https://a.co/d/hi50U9U

Galileo’s Dialogue (first-ever audiobook): https://a.co/d/iZPi9Un

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Is the White House's New UAP Council a Game Changer for Disclosure? Jun 17, 2026

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Recently, Professor Avi Loeb was tasked by the White House, AARO, ODNI, and the FBI with assembling and leading a new UAP Science Advisory Council — comprising astrophysicists, AI experts, and psychologists — to advise the intelligence community on unidentified anomalous phenomena. It was announced the same week the government released its third batch of declassified UAP files. Now he joins us live to talk about what that actually means — and what it doesn't.

This is not a "the aliens are here" stream. It's the harder conversation. I study the cosmic microwave background, and when we find an anomaly, we exhaust every instrument artifact and foreground before anyone whispers "new physics." I want to know why UAP science should run on a different evidentiary standard — and Loeb is exactly the right person to push on it, because he's already attributing much of the released footage to cosmic rays, balloons, and possibly Chinese drones, while holding the door open for the small fraction that stays unexplained.

WHAT WE GET INTO:

- The council, its mandate, and the question nobody's asking: does "advisory" mean anyone has to listen?

- The orbs — Chinese surveillance drones, classified US tech, or something else — and the prior you'd need before you say "non-human"

- Whether "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" gets applied selectively

- AI in the Galileo Project's detection pipeline, and the false-positive problem: what's the training comparison class for "non-human technology"?

- The critique that a council built to study the object ignores where the data actually comes from — human witnesses

GUEST:

Professor Avi Loeb — Frank B. Baird Jr. Professor of Science at Harvard, former chair of the Astronomy department, head of the Galileo Project, author of "Extraterrestrial" and "Interstellar."

Avi on X: https://x.com/ProfAviLoeb

Avi's Medium: https://avi-loeb.medium.com

Galileo Project: https://galileoproject.org

HOST:

Brian Keating — experimental cosmologist, UC San Diego.

Brian on X: https://x.com/briankeating

Brian's Medium: https://drbriankeating.medium.com/

Loeb's essay "Keeping Our Eyes on the Orbs, Not the Audience": https://avi-loeb.medium.com

CHAPTERS:

00:00 — "Chinese drones, or the biggest discovery in history?"

00:10 — Avi Loeb, live

00:40 — The White House just put him in charge of UAPs

10:00 — Legitimacy, or a gilded cage?

13:00 — The orbs: Chinese drones or something else?

24:00 — The prior: what's your base rate for "non-human"?

28:00 — The CMB standard: how a cosmologist kills an anomaly

33:00 — AI, SETI, and the false-positive problem

44:00 — Two cosmologists, one Nobel, one council

47:00 — Lightning round

50:00 — The Impossible Question

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Roman Yampolskiy: AI Can’t Be Controlled — and We’re Building It Anyway - #558 Jun 15, 2026

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Roman Yampolskiy has spent two decades trying to prove that superintelligent AI can be controlled. He couldn’t. I invited him on to make his case. Subscribe if you want science with evidence, not speculation.

Roman is a professor of computer science at the University of Louisville and one of the earliest researchers in AI safety. His book AI: Unexplainable, Unpredictable, Uncontrollable started as an attempt to solve the alignment problem. After decades of work, it became a proof that the problem cannot be solved. Not difficult. Mathematically impossible.

I push back hard. We go after the Einstein test: can a large language model trained only on pre-1911 physics reproduce what Einstein did with the same data? We ran that experiment. It failed. Roman and I disagree about what that means. We also get into the halting problem and what it actually tells us about predicting smarter-than-human behavior, whether value alignment is a real problem or a well-funded category error, the case for a government moratorium on frontier model development, and why Roman thinks giving an AI agent access to your computer is the dumbest thing a smart person can do.

What you’ll hear:

Whether AI control is mathematically impossible or just unsolved

Why Roman thinks all current AI safety work is security theater

What the halting problem actually means for superintelligence

The alignment problem: real issue or well-funded category error

Why Roman wants a moratorium on frontier model development

What to tell your kids about careers in a world where Roman might be right

If you listen to other people, the best you can become is average.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Creating a mind without an off switch

01:34 Solving problems beyond our own intelligence

04:08 Einstein’s epiphany and the limit of AI intuition

08:18 Assessing the Einstein test: Why the experiment failed

12:22 Path dependency: Are LLMs and GPUs our QWERTY?

16:10 The barriers preventing AI from solving physics

21:54 Safety vs. Capability: Why toddlers are safe but teens are not

23:06 The halting problem: Predicting agents smarter than us

25:58 The impossibility of a system proving its own integrity

28:18 Regulation: Genuine safety or a gift to oligarchs?

33:28 Is human cognition non-computable? Penrose vs. the field

39:00 Ethical duties: Must we treat AI with humanity?

43:00 From internet memes to monsters: Decoding the book cover

46:22 Customized realities: Can everyone have their perfect world?

49:50 Von Neumann probes and the panspermia hypothesis

55:02 Categorizing AI: The one version that should terrify you

58:22 Pause AI: The movement for a development moratorium

59:58 Career advice for kids in a post-professional world

01:07:58 Cross-examining Sam Altman

01:15:48 Roman’s dream debate

01:19:50 Lessons for a younger self

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Featured Guest:

Roman Yampolskiy on Twitter/X: https://x.com/romanyam?lang=en

AI: Unexplainable, Unpredictable, Uncontrollable: https://www.romanyampolskiy.com/books/

My books:

Losing the Nobel Prize (memoir): http://amzn.to/2sa5UpA

Think Like a Nobel Prize Winner: https://a.co/d/03ezQFu

Focus Like a Nobel Prize Winner: https://a.co/d/hi50U9U

Galileo’s Dialogue (first-ever audiobook): https://a.co/d/iZPi9Un

Twitter/X: https://x.com/BrianKeating

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Blog: https://briankeating.com/blog

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