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    Inquiry with Kelly Chase

    Inquiry with Kelly Chase is an investigative podcast about how we know what we know—and what happens when official reality stops making sense. Drawing on the history of psychological operations, ufology, psi phenomena, consciousness research, and anomalous experience, Kelly Chase investigates the places where reality misbehaves—because those are the places where it most often tells the truth.

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    This is also where you can find the archive for Kelly’s previous shows—Cosmosis and The UFO Rabbit Hole.

    Kelly Chase is a writer, researcher, executive producer, and public speaker whose work focuses on anomalous phenomena, consciousness, and narrative. She is the writer and executive producer of Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality, the host of Inquiry with Kelly Chase, and the former host of The UFO Rabbit Hole, and has been featured in UFO Revolution (TMZ) and Beyond (Bad Robot). Her work centers fidelity to firsthand testimony, ethical storytelling, and intellectual rigor over spectacle.

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    [The UFO Rabbit Hole] An Interview with Sharon Hewitt Rawlette: On Synchronicities Oct 13, 2023
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    I’m so excited about today’s episode because I think it’s been a long time coming. This episode isn’t about UFOs, per se, but it is about something that often happens to people when they begin looking into this topic—or other topics that challenge our consensus reality—which is the sudden appearance of profound synchronicities.
    I hear from dozens of listeners of the podcast everyday, and one of the things that people reach out to me about most is to tell me that after they started listening to the podcast they suddenly started encountering strings of bizarre and improbable synchronicities in their lives. I’ve heard that exact thing from more people than I could ever get back to—and if you’re one of those people, I just want you to know that I’ve heard you, and I wanted to do an episode about this very phenomenon that I hope can serve as sort of roadmap in beginning to understand and integrate what synchronicities are and how you can best ride the wave of the improbable in your own lives.
    And I couldn’t think of anyone better to join me in this conversation than today’s guest—the woman who literally wrote the book on strange coincidences—Sharon Hewitt Rawlette. I’ve been lucky enough to meet Sharon and hear her speak at two different conferences in the last year—both December’s Inquire Anomalous conference in NYC, and Rice University’s Archive’s of the Impossible in May—and both times I was blown away by the depth and ingenuity of her thinking. Sharon has the ability to make complex ideas easy to grok, and every time I hear her speak I walk away with a new perspective and understanding. I’ll link up both of those talks in the episode description if you’d like to check them out.
    Sharon Hewitt Rawlette is a philosopher who writes for both popular and scholarly audiences on the topics of consciousness, anomalous experience, ethics, and spirituality. Before launching her career as an independent writer and researcher, she earned her PhD in philosophy from New York University. She currently serves on the board of the Bigelow Institute for Consciousness Studies as well as being a supporting researcher for the International Centre for Reincarnation Research. She has published four books and in 2021 was named a runner-up in the Bigelow Institute for Consciousness Studies essay contest for her essay “Beyond Death,” on the best evidence for the survival of human consciousness after permanent bodily death.
    The book that we’ll be referencing today is Sharon’s book entitled The Source and Significance of Coincidences. And if you have any interest in this topic, I really can’t recommend this book enough. Sharon attacks this topic from every conceivable angle, and the extensive table of contents makes it an invaluable reference tool when you want to dig a little deeper into strange coincidences that occur in your own life. [links in episode brief]
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    [The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 26: An Interview with Jeffrey Kripal: The Flip & How To Think Impossibly Sep 15, 2023
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    Today, we have a very special guest on the show, Dr. Jeffrey Kripal. Dr. Kripal is an esteemed scholar and author in the study of religion, focusing particularly on the esoteric, mystical, and paranormal dimensions of human experience. He serves as the J. Newton Rayzor Chair in Philosophy and Religious Thought at Rice University. He is the author of several phenomenal books including The Superhumanities, Mutants & Mystics, Super Natural (which he co-authored with Whitley Strieber), and The Flip.
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    [The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 25: James Madden [Pt. 3]: The Cave, Morlocks & The Spectacle of Disclosure Sep 10, 2023
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    In this episode we welcome back my dear friend and friend of the show, Dr. James Madden. This is the third episode that we’ve done together, and I’m sure that it won’t be the last. My interviews with James Madden have become some of my most downloaded episodes, and so I know you guys love hearing from him. And I love talking to him, so we’re just going to keep doing it.
    The deeper we dive into the phenomenon, the more necessary it becomes to not just interrogate what we think, but how we think—and to find new frameworks to help us do so. A philosophical approach gives the means to do that. And I’ve been so grateful to Jim for how generous he’s been with his time and his thoughts as we navigate these deeper waters.
    As you all know, over the past several months Plato’s Cave has become a central touchstone of this podcast. It’s an idea I keep returning to, again and again, because as my own trip down the rabbit hole continues, I continue to find new insights within it. And so today, with Jim as our guide, we’re going to return to the Cave, armed with the new ideas we’ve developed over these past several months, and see what new revelations might reveal themselves.
    With this episode we’ll also be returning to our discussion of Whitley Strieber’s groundbreaking new book, Them, which we discussed in the last episode. Strieber’s decades of deep research and thinking on the topic of non-human intelligence as well as his own ongoing contact experiences have led him to develop a nuanced, challenging, and at times unsettling, understanding of “the others”—including how they operate at the fringes of our awareness and what they might ultimately be trying to tell us.
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    [The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 24: UFOs & High Strangeness: The 6-Layer Model by Vallée & Davis Aug 31, 2023
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    Today’s episode is an important one, because it’s going to lay the groundwork for a lot of the things that we’re going to be discussing moving forward. In the weeks and months to come, this is an episode that I’ll likely be referring back to often.
    And that’s because today we’re diving into an article written by two heavyweights of ufology that serves not only as an essential framework to support our understanding of the complexities and nuances of the UFO phenomenon, but that also—in a very real way—helped to lay the foundation for the recent push for UFO disclosure. In short, it’s not only important that we take the time to really understand the ideas presented in this article—but to understand where it fits into the history of modern ufology.
    The paper to which I’m referring is Incommensurability, Orthodoxy, and the Physics of High Strangeness: A 6-Layer Model for Anomalous Phenomena written by Jacques Vallée and Eric Davis. Most people will already be very familiar with those names, but just in case they are new to you, you can find links to their bios and other work in the episode brief.
    What is so significant about this paper is that it seeks to create a framework by which we can begin to analyze and integrate the parts of UFO encounters that rarely make it into sci-fi media, and even more rarely make it into serious discussions about the phenomenon itself—which is the undeniable and pervasive occurrence of events and effects that are traditionally relegated to the realms of high strangeness and the paranormal.
    If there’s nothing else that you take away from this episode it should be this—encounters with UFOs and non-human intelligence are much, much weirder than you've probably been led to believe.
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    TIMESTAMPS
    00:00:32 Introduction
    00:06:53 Problems with the SETI and UAP Paradigms
    00:07:25 —SETI & The Assumption of Mediocrity
    00:12:19 —Anthropocentric Bias in SETI
    00:14:54 —Anthropocentric Bias in Ufology
    00:16:27 The Need For A Unified Approach To UAP Studies
    00:20:01 The Six Layers of UAP Analysis
    00:20:30 —Layer I: Physical
    00:21:45 —Layer II: Anti-Physical
    00:23:00 —Layer III: Psychological
    00:29:53 —Layer IV: Physiological
    00:32:19 —Layer V: Psychic
    00:34:19 —Layer VI: Cultural
    00:37:10 Possible Nature of UAP Technology
    00:39:48 The Incommensurability Problem
    00:45:42 Semiotics
    00:51:35 High Strangeness & The Abduction Problem
    00:54:12 Conclusions
    00:56:23 Garry Nolan and Talking To Ants
    01:00:26 Whitley Strieber and “The Visitors In the Trees”
    01:12:42 Jacques Vallée by _ship
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    [The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 23: Waking Up Inside The Cave [Pt 3]: The Flip, Biocentrism, and The Case Against Reality Aug 12, 2023
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    In the third and final chapter of the Waking Up Inside The Cave series we explore emerging theories with regards to the nature of reality and consciousness that have the potential to fix what’s broken with “the official story of everything”. Specifically, we’ll be looking at the work of Jefrey Kripal, Robert Lanza, and Donald Hoffman.
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    TIMESTAMPS
    00:00:30 Introduction
    00:04:33 A New Paradigm Emerges
    00:09:52 The Flip
    00:13:41 —Triggering The Flip
    00:14:18 —The Impact Of The Flip
    00:14:56 —Where the Traditional Materialist View Fits
    00:15:46 —Full Disclosure
    00:17:17 Biocentrism
    00:20:35 —The Goldilocks Universe
    00:22:42 —If A Tree Falls In The Forest Does It Make A Sound?
    00:29:55 —Where Is The Universe?
    00:34:58 —The Participatory Universe & Quantum Mechanics
    00:36:21 —Space-Time Is Not Fundamental
    00:43:13 The Case Against Reality
    00:44:06 —How Evolution Hides The Truth
    00:46:33 —The Interface Theory of Perception
    00:48:22 —Objects As Mental Constructs
    00:49:48 —Space-Time Is Doomed
    00:50:42 Putting It All Together
    00:50:55 —Recognizing Our Uber-Umwelt
    00:57:29 —Consciousness—Not Space-Time—Is Fundamental
    01:00:59 Conclusion
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    [The UFO Rabbit Hole] July 2023 Post-Hearing Analysis Aug 03, 2023
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    In this episode, we do a deep-dive on the historic UFO hearing held by the House Oversight Committee featuring witnesses David Grusch, David Fravor, and Ryan Graves.
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    [The UFO Rabbit Hole] July 2023 Pre-Hearing Analysis: Where Are The Whistleblowers? Jul 23, 2023
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    As we look forward to next week's hearing, we're discussing concerns about the witnesses, the stunning allegations from members of Congress, and what we should expect in the week to come.
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    [The UFO Rabbit Hole] An Interview with Darren King (AKA ExoAcademian): Point of Convergence Jul 07, 2023
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    [The UFO Rabbit Hole] An Interview with Nathan: Disclosure, Ontological Shock, and What's Next Jun 29, 2023
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    In this episode, I wanted to do something a little different. As the community continues to metabolize the stunning allegations by high-level intelligence official turned UFO whistleblower, David Grusch, and with more people waking up to the significance of this story everyday—the thing I’m hearing the most is just that people want to talk. We want to connect about this. If there’s anything that I’ve learned over the past few years it’s that this process of dismantling our consensus reality and coming to grips with a new one that shakes the foundations of every paradigm we have is a team sport. We’re meant to do these things in community.
    Two weeks ago, I had the opportunity to spend the weekend with a bunch of really bright, like-minded people that I’ve met through doing this work, and it was honestly magical. We’ve come a long way in this conversation with the public-at-large, but for most of us who have a deep interest in this topic, we still find ourselves censoring and compartmentalizing to protect ourselves from the stigma we might face for simply considering these ideas. And so being able to gather with a group of people and let down those walls and give voice to the thoughts and hopes and anxieties that emerge when you’re coming to terms with the realities of a highly advanced, non-human presence on this planet can be a massive relief. It’s healing and I’d argue that it’s necessary.
    But I know how rare those moments are, and I know that there are so many people who are more than ready to have those conversations, but who still haven’t found a safe place for that. And so I wanted to do my best to bring one of those conversations to you.
    So this week, I sat down with my friend and colleague, Nathan, to chat about what this journey has been like, some of the stumbling blocks we’ve hit along the way, and how we can move forward into this strange new reality in a way that is healthy and productive. And I knew that Nathan would be the perfect person to have that conversation with.
    Nathan uses a mononym because, like so many in the community—including, I assume, many of you listening—he’s a serious guy with a serious job who doesn’t necessarily want to advertise his interest in UFOs. But though you won’t find his last name online, what you will find is a bunch of phenomenal work. Nathan is the co-host of two great podcasts—Liminal Phrames on which he collaborates with Darren King (AKA ExoAcademian), and Calling All Beings, which he co-pilots along with a bunch of other wonderful contributors in the space including D.J., Deb, Leah Prime, and a rotating lineup of other friends.
    What I appreciate so much about Nathan is his rational yet deeply human-centered approach to the UFO phenomenon. He manages to navigate the deepest and most treacherous waters of this topic while still remaining grounded and without ever losing focus on the things that matter most—our relationships and connections with each other. Nathan is exactly the kind of friend that you’d want to have this kind of conversation with, and I hope you enjoy this chat as much as I did. And may we all move forward from this episode with the intention of being that kind of friend for others who will soon be going through this, too.
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    [The UFO Rabbit Hole] An Interview with Michael Masters: The Extratempestrial Model & The Future Human Past Jun 22, 2023
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    Today, we’re circling back to an idea that we visited in one of the earliest episodes of the podcast—the extratempestrial model. Sometimes also referred to as the future human hypothesis, the extratempestrial model is the idea that the UFOs phenomenon might represent advanced humans and human descendents who are traveling here from another point in time.
    I’ll admit to struggling with this idea at first. Time travel has always seemed a little too clunky and a little too hokey to be taken seriously. But as so often happens on this trip down the rabbit hole, the more I learned and the more my perspective began to swell and shift to accommodate the strange new realities I was exploring, the more what once seemed like a kind of crazy idea to me suddenly started to make a heck of a lot of sense. And I found that many of my objections had more to do with the limitations of my knowledge than the limitations of the extratempestrial model.
    So I wanted to come back around to this idea, because there is a lot there to dig into, most of which didn’t make it into the initial episode. And there are some new and updated ideas that I think are really valuable in understanding the complexities of the phenomenon. And there’s no better way to take a deep dive into this topic than with one of the people who literally wrote the book on the extratempestrial model—Dr. Michael P. Masters.
    Micahel Masters is a professor of biological anthropology at Montana Technological University. He specializes in human evolution, osteology, and anatomical sciences. Dr. Master’s work related to the phenomenon explores the potential evolutionary trajectories of humankind, linking anthropological theory to hypotheses about extraterrestrial life. He is the author of several books on the topic including Identified Flying Objects: A Multidisciplinary Scientific Approach to the UFO Phenomenon, The Extratempestrial Model, and his latest, a satirical science fiction novel called, Revelation: The Future Human Past.
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    00:30 - Introduction
    07:20 - What Is The Extratempestrial Model?
    09:50 - The Extratempestrial Model & The Interdimensional Hypothesis
    11:29 - The Social & Biological Trends That Hint At The Extratempestrial Model
    16:32 - Technology & The “Other”
    20:48 - Technological Variability In Humans
    21:02 - The Communication Problem
    25:38 - How Technology Is Shaped By Biology
    28:52 - Exotic Bipedal Beings
    32:17 - Could Humanoid Beings Be The Result of Biomimicry?
    37:08 - Are UFOs Time Machines?
    43:50 - The Nimitz Incident
    47:18 - Rethinking The Impossible
    49:57 - The Block Universe
    59:02 - Revelation: The Future Human Past
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