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    I Love Bookkeeping

    I Love Bookkeeping is a global community of Bookkeeping Professionals. We all bleed bookkeeping and want to grow and prosper our businesses. This podcast is for Bookkeeping Professionals who serve clients, and it’s for the person who aspires to join our great industry. Join Ben Robinson every week to geek out on Bookkeeping.

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    Latest Episodes:
    Networking for Introverts Feb 24, 2022
    Show notes

    Co-hosts Hannah Robinson and Melissa Honan discuss networking as introverts, how to approach events as an introvert, and something you're currently doing that's costing you sales opportunities.

    [1:29] Hannah explains what an introvert is all about. Shy people are often labeled as introverts but that isn't always the case. Introvert people may enjoy being around people but recharge their batteries when they're by themselves.

    [2:27] As Melissa points out, extroverts, on the other hand, are fueled by human interaction.

    [3:29] Hannah shares a networking for introverts anecdote that dates back to her time as a makeup artist, which is an extroverted industry – and how she has gone about networking as an introvert.

    [8:20] For Hannah, not being afraid to be new in a particular space and let others know about it can actually be a smart move.

    [10:34] Melissa discusses an experience that has shaped how she goes about networking today.

    [17:32] 92% of salespeople will give up after hearing 'no' 4 times but 80% of prospects say 'no' 4 times before they say 'yes'.

    [20:12] Hannah believes that going to a networking event with a mindset that focuses on building connections, instead of looking at people as numbers, takes the pressure off of your shoulders.

    [23:44] Melissa explains why, when done right, networking has nothing to do with sales.

    [25:58] Melissa goes over what she does to recharge her batteries when attending an event and networking as an introvert.

    Mentioned in this episode:

    Jen Brown (Melissa's business coach)

    book: Think on Your Feet: Tips and Tricks to Improve Your Impromptu Communication Skills on the Job by Jen Oleniczak Brown

    success@ilovebookkeeping.com


    Raising Your Prices as a Bookkeeper Feb 22, 2022
    Show notes

    Co-hosts Hannah Robinson and Melissa Honan talk about what to consider when it comes to raising your prices as a bookkeeper – and how to actually be successful at it.

    [1:34] Melissa invites bookkeepers to raise their prices of 10 to 20% because she believes that they're probably not charging enough.

    [2:49] Despite this, she's nervous about raising her prices – and she's nervous every single time she does it.

    [3:40] Melissa started sending out emails about her price increase to clients she knew were going to say they weren't ok with it. An important mistake she points out, and one she wants to make sure you avoid making, is to reply to every single email that comes in related to this matter.

    [4:48] This is how Melissa went about informing clients about the price increase: she informed them of what the new price would be, she informed them of why she believed they should pay and the value they would get from it. She added that if a client didn't think she was worth that value, then it was time for them to part ways.

    [5:52] Hannah believes that people have a lot of fear about asking for a price increase for two reasons: they're afraid of losing their clients, and they're afraid of the backlash and criticism that could come their way as a result.

    [6:15] Melissa discusses a NPR article she recently read on why women don't ask for more money. According to the article, women worry that pushing for more money will damage their image.

    [7:31] Hannah shares what she went through when it was time to raise her prices. She believes that half the battle is you believing that your value is increasing.

    [8:59] Hannah doesn't think you should worry about clients leaving you because you're too expensive and that you should put your value first.

    [9:34] Melissa talks about a recent experience she had with a client who didn't agree with her raising her prices.

    [15:33] Melissa brings up a recommendation that stood out from the NPR article Why Women Don't Ask for More Money? – and that is: when you're negotiating a price increase, think of other people your salary is supporting, so that the negotiation doesn't seem all about you.

    [18:18] Melissa goes over how she addressed and overcame the fear of raising her prices.

    [19:35] Another recommendation from the NPR article was to stop looking at negotiation as adversarial, but rather as solving a problem: your gross profit is low, your costs are high, etc.

    [21:47] Hannah shares one of the biggest things she had to do for herself – practicing confidence.

    [24:23] Melissa talks about a girl she has found on social media who recorded herself, every day, telling herself that she loved herself.

    [26:35] There have been times when Melissa felt as if she couldn't support herself. She reached out to her friends who were able to uplift her when she wasn't able to.

    Mentioned in this episode:

    article: Why Women Don't Ask for More Money?

    success@ilovebookkeeping.com


    To Niche or Not to Niche? Feb 17, 2022
    Show notes

    Co-hosts Hannah Robinson and Melissa Honan look at whether it makes sense to niche as a bookkeeper and discuss some of the aspects that will affect your business if you decide to niche or if you don't.

    [0:45] Hannah and Melissa discuss and joke about the pronunciation of the word 'niche'.

    [2:10] Melissa talks about how the niche for her business was picked.

    [3:10] When it comes to her business, Melissa is passionate about meeting her clients face-to-face and supporting her team members.

    [3:23] Hannah touches upon what she considers a pro of having and focusing on a niche.

    [4:39] How Melissa feels and acts when she attends in-person events.

    [5:29] For Melissa, when you niche, you're able to understand your clients better and can offer solutions tailored to their needs. She considers having a niche and really connecting with it as the most important thing.

    [7:20] Something Melissa experienced at an event she recently attended.

    [9:03] Melissa shares her thoughts on the whole 'To niche or not to niche?' conversation.

    [10:41] Hannah and Melissa talk about the pros of actually not niching down in your business.

    [13:43] According to Hannah, when switching industries, by having some expertise in the subject, you can get your foot in the door.

    [14:28] Melissa touches upon the analysis paralysis trap some business owners fall into and shares what you should do if you don't know what niche to choose.

    [16:04] What most of the members of Hannah's and Melissa's community think when it comes to niching down.

    [16:59] An advantage Hannah sees when looking at people who don't settle for a specific niche.

    [18:00] Melissa shares her thoughts on the idea that business owners who don't niche down can tap into a larger pool of leads and clients.

    Mentioned in this episode:

    success@ilovebookkeeping.com


    Does Bookkeeping Have a Future? Feb 15, 2022
    Show notes

    Co-hosts Hannah Robinson and Melissa Honan talk about whether bookkeeping has a future, why small business owners should look at hiring a bookkeeper, and what being a good accountant is actually all about.

    [0:58] Melissa thinks that bookkeeping has a future. For years, she has heard that the space would be obsolete in the next couple of years – but that hasn't happened, bookkeeping is still going strong. In fact, it has never been better.

    [1:36] 'Is bookkeeping going to be obsolete?' and 'Is Artificial Intelligence going to take over?' are some of the biggest questions Hannah and the marketing team get asked.

    [1:51] People need to understand an important thing: bookkeeping is a relationship-focused industry. And that's something a computer can't do.

    [3:34] There are a couple of reasons why small business owners look for bookkeepers; because they either don't like bookkeeping or don't have the time to do it themselves.

    [5:27] Melissa often has conversations with clients to help them realize that trying to do bookkeeping by themselves would be very time consuming as it's something they probably would be learning from scratch.

    [6:33] For small business owners, bookkeeping is having someone in your corner, who takes care of certain things for you, no matter what.

    [7:41] The fact that bookkeeping is always going to evolve and have something new – and that people are always going to need it – is one of the biggest points about the future of the industry.

    [9:03] For Melissa, learning the technology of the niche you work in as a bookkeeper can be very valuable to your clients.

    [10:37] There are a couple of reasons why Melissa believes that small business owners should look at hiring a bookkeeper. Take the time a business owner would spend doing bookkeeping alone and think about how much they would earn if they spent that time focusing on activities that generate business. Plus, bookkeepers can also help business owners make more money by helping them save on taxes and other fees.

    [15:24] Melissa sees the lack of customer service as the major pain-point people have when it comes to their accountants.

    [17:27] One of the things a good bookkeeper does is to help clients understand bookkeeping and their business better.

    [18:47] Melissa shares her predictions on what bookkeeping is going to look like 5 years from today.

    Mentioned in this episode:

    Who Not How: The Formula to Achieve Bigger Goals Through Accelerating Teamwork by Dan Sullivan and Benjamin Hardy


    Is Bookkeeping a Good Opportunity? Feb 10, 2022
    Show notes

    Co-hosts Hannah Robinson and Melissa Honan talk about the benefits of starting your own bookkeeping business, and discuss networking and what the bookkeeping community is all about.

    [0:56] There's the misconception that a degree is required to be a bookkeeper, but that isn't the case.

    [1:26] Melissa is a huge advocate for alternatives to college degrees.

    [1:52] Unlike other industries, you can get your bookkeeping business up and running in just a matter of weeks.

    [2:37] Nowadays, people seem to be more interested in having a work-life balance and in making their own schedule.

    [3:45] Being your own boss means that you can network in the way that best suits your personality, whether you're an introvert or an extrovert.

    [4:43] The pandemic has made things like Zoom calls more acceptable.

    [5:42] Melissa is less about in-person networking as she is face-to-face. She always makes a point to have her webcam on whenever she has a call with somebody.

    [7:41] There are several benefits to being your own boss, like working with clients you want, doing taxes or payroll, advising, as well as picking and using the tools you prefer and ditching those you don't like.

    [10:08] One of Hannah's favorite things about the bookkeeping community is the fact that there aren't real gate-keepers nor industry secrets that are kept. Everyone is supportive and generous with sharing their knowledge.

    [13:05] Becoming a bookkeeper can lead to other opportunities too – like in the case of Alyssa Lang, for instance, who is now known as the Workflow Queen.

    [14:54] According to Hannah, starting and owning a business really adds to your personal development as a person. It creates a new layer to people.


    Getting to Know the New Co-Hosts Feb 08, 2022
    Show notes

    The first episode of the relaunch of I Love Bookkeeping sees new co-hosts Hannah Robinson and Melissa Honan share their stories and how they have gotten to where they are today, and they discuss what they'll bring to the show.

    [1:10] New podcast co-host Melissa Honan is a mom of two children, a dog, and a cat

    [2:17] Melisa discusses how she began working with her husband Daniel

    [4:46] Online Bookkeep, the company Melissa is the CEO of, has some impressive numbers: 115 monthly clients, approximately $107,000 in monthly recurring fees, three departments (Bookkeeping, Account Management, and Tax), and it's a team of 17. Today, the business has about $1.4 million in annual revenue.

    [6:12] Melissa and her family are currently in Mexico for a few weeks and are considering which place they want to call "home" next

    [8:03] Melissa, who is a former workaholic, is deliberate about defending her personal life, and she doesn't shy away from putting her children first

    [9:23] Even though she isn't a bookkeeper anymore, Melissa is clear on how she'd like to provide value to the I Love Bookkeeping podcast listeners

    [10:19] Hannah Robinson, who is Atlanta born and bred, was a hair and makeup artist working long hours before she entered the bookkeeping space. And, like Melissa, she wasn't prioritizing having a life outside her career.

    [12:13] Hannah talks about the impact of organizing the first in-person meeting during the summer. She got to meet people whose stories she could listen to carefully and get inspired by.


    What Corona Means to Bookkeepers and How to Profit From It with Paul Colligan May 26, 2020
    Show notes

    We are in the middle of some strange times right now but even with the challenges we've seen so far, we've also seen several people connect better with their audiences.

    [1:55] There have been several unique opportunities that have emerged since the advent of COVID-19, and Ben happens to be right in the middle of a number of rapidly changing environments.

    [3:30] With all the changes to the regulatory environment, bookkeepers have been extremely busy helping business owners figure it all out. Everybody who has been waiting to do their books suddenly has an urgent need to get it all done as quickly as possible.

    [5:00] For bookkeeping professionals that are established, there has never in the history of time been a better time to be a bookkeeping professional. The word of the day in the industry is survive and just do what you can one day at a time.

    [5:30] We saw a similar cycle 12 years ago with businesses that weren't prepared, or that weren't really businesses. They were the ones that didn't make it through. The most important thing you can focus on right now is how you can help your clients and do whatever you can to help them survive.

    [6:05] The urgency of tax day has been replaced by the urgency of getting your books in order to secure a loan. What we've seen so far hasn't been as much of a stimulus as it was just enough to allow small businesses to survive. The only way that many businesses have been able to do that is by getting the benefits, and that means bookkeepers are instrumental.

    [7:40] There is no COVID-19 version of your books, they are either done or not done. Not having the information on hand means your business is leaving free money on the table.

    [8:05] Paul tells the story of trying to make Mother's Day special and how different restaurants handled the lockdown. We hear a lot about the economic downturn but plenty of businesses are seeing a flood of customers that they may or may not be able to handle.

    [10:35] When it comes to economic turbulence, some types of businesses will thrive and some will suffer, but any business that isn't prepared is going to run into major problems.

    [11:00] Ben always tries to have at least six months of operating expenses in his business's savings account. If you have a team right now, they are nervous and there is no such thing as over-communicating and no such thing as giving away too much information. If you are secure, your people need to know that.

    [12:15] You should work with your clients in the same way. People can typically deal with bad news, what they can't deal with is unknowns. Having a fight you know about is way better than not having any idea about what is going to happen.

    [13:15] Take care of the things that you can control. You may not know what is going to happen with schools in the fall, but you can get your books done and find out what your finances look like.

    [14:05] Everybody is worried, but being in a position to give someone answers can be very valuable. The bookkeeping industry is a recession-resistant industry and bookkeepers are in a position to really help business owners get through the current situation. When we do come through to the other side, those businesses are going to remember who was there for them.

    [16:40] Right now is a great time to start a bookkeeping business. There are no guarantees, but this may be the absolute best time to be marketing bookkeeping to businesses that desperately need the service.

    [18:30] It's also a great time to be advertising since ad costs are low. The one caveat is that hard tactics are out and building relationships is in. It's the perfect time for bookkeepers to focus on the top of the funnel.

    [20:00] Bookkeeper Business Launch will give you the fundamentals you need to start your bookkeeping business, but if you want to go far, it's important to surround yourself with people on the same journey as you. The mastermind and community are huge assets to bookkeepers just getting started.

    [23:05] Bookkeeper Business Launch experienced its highest period of enrollment ever because more people are coming to the realization that being in control of their income puts them in control of their destiny.

    [24:00] Some bookkeepers have lost clients or have had to reduce their service fees, but that's been offset by picking up new clients all over the place. Bookkeepers have to be flexible and creative enough to adjust to what's happening in the world.

    [26:20] Life gives to the givers and takes from the takers. Are you a giver or a taker? Your clients need you more than ever so it's a great time to start giving.


    Your Vision for the Future with Kim Erick - Encore Presentation May 19, 2020
    Show notes

    Kim started in late August of 2017 after purchasing Bookkeeper Business Launch. Four days later she registered her business name and closed her first client, who later on became her husband.

    [3:00] Kim had been in the banking industry for 16 years and knew that there was definitely a need for bookkeepers in business. When Kim's husband decided to start his trucking business, Kim made the choice to start her own bookkeeping business at the same time.

    [4:15] Kim currently has 8 active clients. There are always ups and downs in the business, and clients come and go. She mainly focuses on transportation due to her insider view of the industry.

    [6:05] Kim always had the desire to open her own business, but she never really knew what she wanted to do. The high costs of most business models made them prohibitive. When she discovered the idea of bookkeeping, it made a lot of sense given her background and experience. Time-freedom is the word Kim would use to describe the idea of running her own business.

    [9:30] Retail banking is extremely time intensive, and Kim felt like she wouldn't be able to go much further in the industry without sacrificing more of her time. Instead of just working more, she wanted to find a way to make more money while working less.

    [11:20] Sticking to her niche was one of Kim's first challenges. Many of the clients she initially took on were not the right fit because they were either too small or not appropriate. It can be hard to say no to a client that wants to work with you, but sometimes it's necessary.

    [14:50] Kim's husband has been a very valuable insider who has helped shape her marketing and how she finds clients for her business.

    [16:05] Take your time as you go through the learning process. While you're working your way through it, try to put processes in play that will make your life easier. In a lot of ways, time-freedom is a double-edged sword. It's all too easy to do work that doesn't actually build your business. Busy work is the work we do to avoid the work we really need to do.

    [19:00] The biggest challenge today for Kim is that if her business continues to grow, it's going to take up more of her time unless she hires someone. The trouble is she isn't sure if she wants to manage people again.

    [20:35] For Kim, success means the ability to do what she wants to do and having the means to do it. Reaching true financial security is when she would define success. Given that definition of success, Kim doesn't really need to take on more clients.

    [22:50] One of the best aspects of the business for Kim has been the option of working as many hours as she wants. In terms of capacity, Kim could probably take on another 3-4 clients without eliminating the time-freedom that she values so much. At this point, she should focus on finding quality clients and upgrading her existing client base.

    [26:40] When Kim hits a milestone, she takes a moment to enjoy her achievement but also look towards the next goal. She has to realize the pressure is off her. She can shape her business so that it fits her goals instead of doing things to generate an income.

    [30:50] Paying off her mortgage and becoming debt free is one of Kim's major goals. The other question is how does she want to spend her time when she's retired. When Kim thinks about her goals, she always sees herself with other people and how she can help and serve them. To serve others, we have to serve ourselves.

    [36:30] Whether or not you have team members, your business is a system. Systems are even more important than a list of clients. Once you define your processes and efficiencies, it pays off continuously over time. Start out where you are and map out your processes, and then think about how you can improve them. Processes revolve around your client; if they don't, then why would you do it?

    [42:15] You can gain a tonne of momentum and leverage in your business by hiring a virtual assistant. We think we need a big team that comes with a lot of commitment but it's not necessary. You can take on a VA for only a few hours a week, and it can completely change your business. Before you hire a VA, you need to have your processes designed first.

    [47:10] Since Kim works in the transportation niche, she has an opportunity to create a course that could help teach her potential clients how to grow their business. When they develop and grow, they could become Kim's ideal clients.

    [48:30] Before working on a new business idea, it's good to vet the idea and make sure it's worth your time and effort. If someone else is already doing something similar, that's a good sign. Don't just take someone's word that they will buy your idea. It doesn't mean anything until someone is willing to open their wallet and give you their money. Before taking the leap on a new idea, make sure that the resulting business fits into your vision for your life.

    [51:50] For new ideas, always start with the market side of things. Once that's in place, always undersell and overdeliver.

    Mentioned in this Episode: Home Time Bookkeeping


    How to Differentiate Yourself from the Competition with Melissa Broughton - Encore Presentation May 12, 2020
    Show notes

    Melissa was working 70 to 80 hours a week at her job and was starting to get really burned out. She decided that she needed to make a change and that was when she was injured during a run. This gave her plenty of time to look for opportunities to work from home. She found her first client online and that gave her three months to find more. Word of mouth and BNI has been how she's found the majority of the clients she has now, with the process being largely organic.

    [4:45] Melissa serves 62 clients that they work with every month and she has a goal to get to 100 clients by the end of the year.

    [5:25] We rarely stop to smell the roses and appreciate everything we accomplish. Remember to write down how far you've come and keep that in mind.

    [6:20] Melissa has made plenty of mistakes over the past 18 months. One of the biggest things she's learned is to stick to her pricing and not negotiate. If the client wants to negotiate, that may be an indicator that they don't value your service.

    [8:15] Melissa works solely from home and most of her clients are local to Sacramento. One of the motivations for her in starting her business has been to spend time with her kids and this led to her finding a team member that likes serving clients face-to-face.

    [10:30] Working at home can be very isolating, so Melissa really appreciates the chance to go to BNI meetings and meet people on the same journey as her.

    [11:40] The best piece of advice for someone considering starting their own bookkeeping business is you have to be a self starter. There will always be things out of your control and you just have to push through it and get things done. There is also a major difference between dealing with multiple clients instead of one boss. You need to develop a thick skin.

    [13:30] You have to be very self reliant as a business owner because the buck stops with you.

    [14:25] There is a lot of room for growth in the bookkeeping industry. Melissa hasn't run into any real competition in her area. If you're thinking about getting into the business, now is a great time to jump in.

    [16:00] In three years, Melissa would like to be in a commercial space with 10 bookkeepers working for her. The key piece of the puzzle will be a solid office manager to bring it all together so that she doesn't need to touch client accounts anymore. If you can pay somebody to do something better than you, you should do it.

    [18:15] Strategy is marketing, and marketing is the core of your business. It's hard to outsource the marketing because they don't have the same incentive as you as the owner of the business.

    [19:15] In some ways the desire for an office space is about ego but a commercial space does come with some other advantages. Melissa estimates that she's lost approximately one client a month that didn't decide to work with her because of the lack of physical space.

    [21:40] A physical space also comes with a lot of baggage. It can become your golden handcuffs or an anchor.

    [22:40] Managing people is difficult, every person you bring on increases the complexity of your business. It's important to think of things from the standpoint of the result instead of the function. Melissa doesn't want to have 10 people work for her, she wants the result that 10 people can bring.

    [26:50] Melissa's challenge is setting her business apart from the competition. Answering the question of "how are you different from other bookkeepers out there?" is hard.

    [28:45] Bookkeeping is first and foremost a relationship business. If we try to compete on the tasks, we'll lose. You should think about how to deepen and build upon the relationships with prospective clients and existing clients.

    [30:45] You have to know how to communicate with your client in a way that they will understand, and then go above that by advising them. Take a vested interest in their success from the deliverable standpoint.

    [32:30] Bookkeeping used to be about abdication, now it's about collaboration. Take two clients a month and think about what you would want to know if you were the owner of those businesses. Give them true advice, practical things they can do to improve their business and save money. Over time you will be able to charge more for your services, not because you are just raising your rates but because you are adding more value.

    [36:30] Start with the clients that are already receptive to feedback. Melissa may find that what she really wants is to work with a smaller number of clients in a more personal and involved way.

    [38:10] Melissa's typical client is a small business with less than five employees that are at the point where they are not able to take care of their own bookkeeping.

    [40:30] Having a specific niche limits you, but it also allows you to become very well known in that niche. You also get the perception of the industry expert and become a specialist.

    [43:30] The transition takes time. Changing a niche happens one client at a time. Take your client list and think of the ones that you love to work with, then reverse engineer what it is about them that you like working with. Write them down and use those traits to figure out who your ideal client is. When you look at new clients ask yourself how alike they are.

    [47:05] Try to niche from day one if you can. If you've established your business, you will have to go a bit slower and more methodically.

    [49:05] The bookkeeping world has changed over the past ten years. It's no longer about the individual transactions as much as it is about the results you can bring to your clients.

    [52:15] The biggest takeaway for Melissa is to find the shared traits that her best clients have and use them to find more clients just like them. She's also going to use that info to either change how she deals with her existing clients or filter through new ones.

    [53:20] For years the bookkeeping industry has been a replacement offer, but those days are gone. Now it's a new offer, somebody who can interpret the numbers and advise their clients. Adding more value to the clients we serve will insulate us to the changing technological landscape.

    Mentioned in this Episode: Busy Bee Advisors


    Team and Execution with Jaime Rodriguez - Encore Presentation May 05, 2020
    Show notes

    Jaime has been running his bookkeeping business for the past two years and has acquired 13 clients in that time. He's hoping to get more clients and continue growing, but it's a scary thing to think about.

    [3:10] When Jaime first started, he was going to partner with a friend of his that had a degree in Bookkeeping. He discovered that a lot of random tasks end up on your plate as a bookkeeper and felt that he just didn't want to work for someone else anymore. His friend wasn't ready to make the leap at the same time though, and Jaime decided to go out on his own. He discovered that he was in over his head and looked for help; when he found Bookkeeper Business Launch, it changed his business.

    [7:10] After signing up for the course in April, Jaime got his first client in June. He reached out to his former colleagues who had ventured out to create their own firms and one of them said yes.

    [9:00] One of his clients has been very influential in helping Jaime find new clients. He has referred Jaime to a number of individuals and created new connections for him. It's important to have as many referral sources as you can.

    [11:10] Jaime had to overcome his fear and negative mindset before starting his business. We are all limited by fear but we have to bust through it.

    [12:20] One of Jaime's biggest challenges was something that many people might find easy, putting a photo of himself online. When Jaime got started, he didn't know that he would be serving attorneys but it ultimately worked out really well.

    [16:00] Jaime enjoys putting the puzzle of a client's messy books together. It's one of the few tasks in bookkeeping that has a definitive end point. One of Jaime's least favorite activities is receipt management.

    [19:10] Jaime has been really challenged with his systems recently. He recently lost a contractor and has found that the systems he has in place may not be sufficient. In many ways, this is actually a good problem to have and should be celebrated.

    [23:00] Jaime started documenting things via screen sharing. He would record himself doing the task and then upload the video to Dropbox. Processes before people, the processes that Jaime has developed have been largely the same for all of his clients. It's important to limit the procedures that you have that are unique to one particular client, which is one of the advantages of operating in a specific niche.

    [27:25] When handing off the receipt management task to a contractor, Jaime realized that he didn't really explain what he wanted accurately enough so he found the contractor was making a lot of the same mistakes. In the beginning, it's important to spend more time holding their hands and walking them through the way you want something to be done.

    [31:00] We often try to bite off more than we can chew. You should offload one task at a time, not look for the perfect person for every task. When you bring someone on board, they will not care about your business as much as you do. Give them a small puzzle to work on and get rid of the tasks with the lowest hourly value first. Handing off too much at one time is recipe for disaster. Don't hire by client, hire by task.

    [37:30] Overloading a new hire is a big mistake. Give them one task to master, then once they've got that down, give them more to work on.

    [39:20] Jaime's first contractor was a virtual assistant that did some simple tasks like managing email that he found in a Facebook group. One of his favorite ways of getting to know a potential hire is asking them, "What Star Wars character would you be and why?" Ben recommends asking the unique questions because one thing he has discovered is that the people with prior bookkeeping experience usually come with bad habits that you have to work to fix.

    [44:45] People want to work in fun places with people they like. Bookkeeping is a relationship business. Going after trained bookkeepers isn't the best approach. You may train someone and they leave, but that is just the nature of the game. Set the relationship up right before you hire, put them into real world situations that they will actually experience and see how they work.

    [48:15] Never stop hiring, and never stop marketing. You never want your pipeline to run dry.

    [48:45] Give your team a say in how the work gets done. You want your team to take ownership of their work and to treat your clients with respect. If it doesn't work with one person, you've learned something that you can take to the next person. Once you master this concept, you can scale up your business.

    [51:52] Jaime's homework assignments are to celebrate his wins and start putting potential hires through the real world tasks they are going to be taking on.

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