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    House of FI

    Welcome to House of FI! We are glad you’re here. Our mission is to help other families on the road to financial independence. If you dream of retiring early but are unsure how to do that AND raise your family, you are in the right place. Our guests will share their journey to financial independence, early retirement and debt freedom. Our guest experts will share valuable information that will help you get to your financial goals sooner. Come on in!

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    Episode 30: Frustrated and Feeling Broke, to a Million in Net Worth Feb 13, 2019
    Show notes

    It’s not every day you get to talk to one of the few people that supports so many of the great personal finance podcasts that we all gain insight from each week. Steve Stewart is a podcast editor, hater of debt, believer and a family man! His story spans from being burdened by debt, to massively shifting his net worth to more than a million dollars, with over $500,000 in liquid assets and a paid off home. Today he shares his story with our House of FI family, and we couldn’t be happier.

    Money Story

    Steve doesn’t recall any significant family lessons surrounding money when he was a child. However, he does remember always being relatively good with money. By the time he married his now wife at 33 years old, they were what he calls “average Americans”. They made money, they spent money and they paid on debt as they drifted along.

    Marriage and Finances

    The dreaded long commute gets such a bad wrap, but for many of us, it was the long commute that introduced us to either Dave Ramsey and/or the world of podcasting. In Steve’s case, traveling around for his day job led him to Dave - and things were not “love at first sight”.

    While he disagreed with Ramsey at first, Steve soon started to realize that he and his wife weren’t actually doing as well as he thought they were. With a young daughter and wife he began making financial changes, but still didn’t have a light bulb moment until much later.

    One example of sub-par financial decision making was in 2006 when Steve and his wife, though he listened to Dave Ramsey preach about the negatives of debt, financed a new car.

    Steve felt an immediate, dreadful sense of buyer’s remorse as soon as he drove out of the dealership lot. It was that light bulb moment that he decided to get serious about managing his money. To right this wrong, and break the financial cycle, Steve and his wife proceeded to pay off the car in full by the end of 2007.

    Finding a Calling

    Much like many of us in the personal finance space, the power and freedom you feel once you gain control of your money led Steve to want to help and teach others. Long before he became a podcast editor, Steve started his own podcast. Money Plan SOS was a side project that grew out of Steve’s Financial Coaching side business.

    At first, he freely helped others. But it was his always helpful approach and a stroke of luck that led to the formation of his podcast editing business. During his attendance of FinCon in 2015, Steve overheard Paula Pant - now owner of the Afford Anything Podcast - saying that she wanted to try her voice (hand) at podcasting. Steve offered to help. It was that podcast that opened the door to a never-ending source of referral traffic for Steve.

    Today he is the podcast editor for ChooseFI, Afford Anything and many others. In fact, within 6 months of launching that first edited podcast, Steve was so busy that he had to retire everything else!

    Preparing the Next Generation

    As a family man and a knowledgeable personal finance expert, I was interested in knowing how Steve decided to pass his financial knowledge and his entrepreneurial spirit to his now 18-year-old daughter.

    While she has not started a podcast, nor learned to edit podcasts like her dad, Steve’s daughter does have a cool YouTube channel! There she showcases her talent for drawing in a cool program called SAI. Check out her video here:

    Steve On The Final Questions:

    Money Lesson:

    Listening to Dave Ramsey - “you make too much money to be this broke” - hit him to his core.

    Life Hack:

    Put everything in google calendar, tasks, podcasts, dates, birthdays anniversary, travel plan, painting the basement.

    Favorite or Current Read:

    On Writing by Stephen King

    Dr. Thomas Stanley the Millionaire next door - reads every year.

    You can find Steve primarily on twitter or on his website, Steve Stewart, or his twitter handle by the same name.


    Episode 29 Bonus - Side Hustle Spotlight, How to Earn $700.00 in 14 Days Charging Scooters Feb 08, 2019
    Show notes

    That was not a typo!

    In this week's Side-Hustle Spotlight, our listener Andre called in to tell us how he has found a totally unique way to earn a pretty hefty sum charging scooters.

    We have all seen them...those lime green or black scooters on the side of the road, right? Well, what if you were the one to pick those up and could earn about $5.00 a pop? You can....

    LISTEN HERE TO HOW ANDRE DID IT

    Sign Up to Charge with Lime... ..Or Bird or Both!

    PROS

    • EASY STARTUP
    • FLEXIBLE
    • QUICK MONEY
    • LOW OVERHEAD
    • ABILITY TO "EXPENSE" SOME COSTS

    CONS

    • WEAR AND TEAR
    • GAS
    • INCLIMATE WEATHER
    • YOU ARE YOUR OWN BOSS - ALL THE CONSIDERATIONS OF BEING YOUR OWN BOSS. (TAXES, OVERHEAD...)

    If you want to learn more about how Andre did it, you can find him here:

    https://www.themillennialsnextdoor.com/blog/how-i-earned-over-700-charging-scooters-in-14-days?fbclid=IwAR0r5a3kV_7kPebIeSRVP1IsQCcKf2qFMIBRpoNAe-EoTSB4AzoCoWP9Z-U


    Episode 29: Casting a Vision for Your Financial Future Feb 06, 2019
    Show notes

    House of FI, it’s time to get back to the basics of money management. The first month of 2019 is behind us. We’ve set our personal and financial goals but the newness of the New Year has worn off, and now it’s time to renew our commitment to the changes we know will inspire huge wins for our families.

    This is the reason we spoke to Dan Shaw in the previous episode, and it’s why we are speaking to Tess Wicks in this episode. Tess Wicks is a personal finance coach and educator who breaks down the journey to financial independence into key action steps and makes the connection between our priorities, the things we acquire, and our life vision. Tess has a vibrant online community, and she is also the host of the Wander Wealthy Podcast.

    Tess aims to empower her clients to get smart about their money while still being able to spend it on the things that bring them joy.

    In this episode, we touch on her money story, her views on the cost of education, entrepreneurship and the concept of the Anti-Budget.

    Money Story

    Who we are and why we end up doing the things we do as adults can often be traced back to early memories and experiences we had along the way.

    Tess Wicks is no different.

    Tess grew up with parents that owned a very successful business. She was the fourth child, and because of her place in the birthline, Tess had the unique experience of growing up on the other side of their initial business struggles. Before she was born, they lived in a tiny house in another part of town. By the time she came around, they’d seen business success, they achieved a more stable money position and they lived in a nicer home.

    What we loved the most about Tess’ experience of their increased financial stability was that her parents often drove back to the smaller home and revisited the way things were along the path to their success. Sometimes, in order to teach your kids where you are headed, you have to show them where you have been.

    Charting Her Own Path!

    Originally Tess was less than thrilled about following in the business ownership footsteps of her parents. At first, she planned to be a forensic pathologist. However, when college was all said and done, Tess actually excelled in the area of Actuarial Science.

    While working as a pension consultant - valuing the pension plans of various agencies - it became clear to her that her time in actuarial work was limited. She needed something more and began to imagine a different future for herself.

    She found a creative outlet in podcasting.

    The corporate structure was repetitive, so while completing all of her data-driven work, Tess began listening to personal development podcasts. At the time, the podcasts were all male owned, and because of that, there were very few female guests for their interviews. So, Tess and a friend, in an effort to elevate the female voice started their own podcast together.

    Today Tess owns the Wander Wealthy company, where she helps young people take control of their money, and grow their investments.

    Tess On The Cost Of College

    College costs are front of mind for many parents. The subject of how to avoid college costs, and also whether Tess felt college was helpful now that she is an entrepreneur came up. In the end, Tess was pretty torn about whether college (all costs included) is actually worth the money.

    Reasons Why Tess is Torn on The Need to Pursue College:

    1. The rising cost of college is crushing its participants.
    2. Parents and families don’t always understand the implications of chasing the higher education dream.
    3. Most people are going to get a higher salary by attending school, but sometimes it doesn’t happen this way.

    To determine the need for college, Tess suggests that families sit down and map out their goals. After writing down everything you want to achieve through college, break down the math to see how much the goal is really going to cost you.

    First Steps of Financial Stability

    List your goals - this ties your starting place to your ending place.

    Emergency savings fund - Starting with a foundation of an emergency fund help ward off budget problems later.

    Create your strategy next - for this you may need help, but the key is to create a strategy that fits your personal experience

    Live a little - it is important to give yourself some buffer to breathe and live. If you can't reward yourself for doing such good financial planning, what are you doing it for?

    Tess has an awesome new course called the Invested Plan, where she teaches you how to save and invest for the future - something that can be so daunting for many of us.

    Tess on the Final Questions:

    Money Lesson :

    Work with people and hire professionals that can make your life easier. Tess' parents had very smart people on their team that they were able to invest in. This pays off early and easily.

    Life Hack:

    Pursuing a more minimal lifestyle with additional spending on the items that positively affect her lifestyle.

    It’s good to be frugal and save money, but have an area of your life that you are able to spend in. Be very specific about what you allow into your life and spend a little more for good quality items.

    Book:

    Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself by Joe Defenza

    The Secrets of the Millionaire Mind

    How to Find Tess:

    Wanderwealthy.com where you can find free training on the site and a free investment training!


    Episode 28 Bonus Side-hustle Spotlight - Make an Extra $1200 a Month Feb 01, 2019
    Show notes

    Welcome to our first Side-Hustle Spotlight!!!

    The three principle vehicles to accelerate a person's path to Financial Independence are to find ways to save more, spend less and/or increase one's income.

    As all of our listeners are well aware, both Timika and I are big supporters of both the side-hustle and entrepreneurship. Whether it is a temporary side-hustle to pay off debt in a short period of time, creating a side business to grow into a full-time business or simply to work extra to infuse your retirement, each of these options are a great way to get you closer to your financial goals.

    Our guest spotlight is Jammie. She drives on the weekends for both Uber and Lyft and can earn anywhere between $325.00 to $900.00 a weekend depending on how many hours she works and bonuses for high demand days or times.

    Obviously, that is an incredible amount! How life changing would it be to your budget to have that type of influx of cash? Now, of course, these are one person's experiences and we cannot guarantee that you will earn the same amount we simply want to provide you with the experience of others so that you can explore options.

    In deciding whether or not becoming a driver is for you or not, Timika and I would like to point out a few considerations.

    PROS:

    • Quick start-up
    • Easy and quick payment
    • Flexible
    • Good earning potential
    • Meeting people
    • Tip potential
    • Potential expense write-offs

    CONS/CONSIDERATIONS:

    • Wear and tear on the vehicle
    • Self-employed - all the ramifications of being self-employed
    • Responsible for taxes
    • Need a newer vehicle
    • Strangers in your car/possible safety concerns

    This is not an exhaustive list - but some of the more apparent benefits and considerations.

    This site may contain affiliate links. Which in simple terms means that we may receive commissions for purchases made through the listed links.

    TRACKING MILEAGE:

    There are many apps available to track mileage while you drive. The Lyft and Uber apps track the miles for actual passenger rides; however, if you want to track the total amount you are driving, you can also use your own APP. These typically run in the background and are very user-friendly. One Wendy recommends is MILE IQ, which you can get by clicking HERE.

    SIGN-UP HERE

    READY TO DRIVE?

    Follow the links below to get started.

    The process is fairly simple. You will typically have to upload via your phone or computer:

    • your driver's license
    • insurance
    • vehicle registration
    • agree to a background check
    • sometimes have your vehicle pass a safety inspection
    • sometimes and in-person orientation
    I AM READY TO DRIVE! SIGN ME UP!

    OTHER OPTIONS:

    Timika recently wrote a review for Zemcar, which helps parents safely transport their children. It's just one more option if you are thinking about driving.

    Are you currently driving for another service? WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU! CLICK THE LEAVE A VOICEMAIL LINK AND ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS HERE.


    Episode 28 - A FIRE Success Story Jan 30, 2019
    Show notes

    Sometimes, on this FIRE Journey, we need a little inspiration. We need to hear the stories of others that are ahead of us - those that are willing to reach back and lend a helping hand or a thoughtful word. We need to feel a connection to another person in a similar situation that is doing the extraordinary in order to change their financial path.

    Today we are sharing our interview with Dan Shaw, a member of the House of FI private group. Dan recently FIREd with his wife and his two little girls.

    Here is a copy of the post he shared when he reached his FIRE goal:

    “Four years ago, watching my girls play in the surf at Lake Michigan, after some world-class bullshit at work, I made myself a promise that I would retire as soon as I possibly could. I never would have dreamed that I could get there in just four years. FIRE’d today!”

    In delving further, Dan shared that there was one thing he was missing all along - it was the practice of being frugal. Frugality proved to be the final piece of the puzzle that allowed him to spark the FIRE.

    I had the rentals, had the max saving at 66%, had the side hustle remodeling real estate, had the puffed-up 403b, but was still blowing through money like a sailor on shore leave. I grew up poor, so cutting back was just like putting on an old, comfortable suit again. Flipping that one last switch has now bought me 6 years at home with my oldest, and 10 (!) years at home with my youngest. ...The FIRE is spreading all around us!..... 🔥 🔥 🔥”

    His words speak for themselves, and because of that, we had to invite him onto the show to learn more about his story.

    We hope, after listening, that you are inspired to take action!

    Dan’s Early Money Story

    Dan remembers his childhood in Maine and Georgia fondly, even though his family grew up poor. In his early years he was home-schooled by his mother, but as he grew older, he eventually made his way into public school. His parents were “average” with money, but his strongest impressions are of the fact that they led with strong moral values about being a good person, and about the importance of education.

    Still, poor was poor. Early on, Dan knew that in order to access the education that was gravely important to his values, he would need to find a way to cover the cost.

    He worked hard and was rewarded with scholarships for his undergraduate degree. In Grad-school he decided to pursue mastery of the English language, a degree that is often referred to as a poor investment choice. In order to offset the cost of his degree, worked as a Teaching Assistant and then as an Adjunct Professor for the English Program, which afforded him tuition benefits as well as a $16,000 stipend.

    Who Says You Can’t Make Money With An English Degree?

    Dan studied English, and Dan's salary nearly reached $200,000 in the corporate world of Standardized Testing. He is not the only one that is putting his liberal arts degree to excellent use. There are 6-figure bloggers, there are editors, there are content creators that are using their love of words to increase their financial income to impressive levels. In the world of Financial Independence, we often point out that getting out of debt and reaching FIRE is made easier by the "size of your shovel" - meaning the amount of money you make. In Dan's case, this is true, but the revelation to be had here is not that high income earners can reach FI more quickly. The revelation is that no matter what size your income, you must, Must, MUST make the right decisions - you MUST tell your money where to go. Let's be clear. While having a HUGE "financial shovel" can certainly rescue you from big debt, it can also lead you deeper into a bigger hole.

    Real Estate Investor Clause

    Dan's Holy Grail advice for rental real estate or landlord law:

    The Real Estate Professional Qualification changed Dan's tax situation from not ideal to fully optimized. This provision works if you can qualify for the three requirements:

    1. You must spend more than half your time on real estate
    2. You must meet the 750-hour rule for the year
    3. You must have 5% ownership in the real estate business/entities

    Qualifying means you are allowed to take deductions in the current year as active deductions against income - not as passive deductions that are limited and carry over to the following years.

    Read more on The Real Estate Professional Provision Dan on the Final Questions:

    Money Lesson:

    Dan's folks taught him important lessons about hard work and working smart. He also learned the concept of "finding your customer and serving their interests" which creates value for them.

    Life Hacks:

    1. Remodeling houses has allowed for the acquisition of stable real estate investments.
    2. Find your tribe - a group that you can talk shop with! This helps you to stay focused on what is truly meaningful to you.

    Where can people find you:

    House of FI Facebook group!


    Episode 27 Bonus - We'll Be Back Jan 25, 2019
    Show notes

    Hello House of FI Family!

    Originally, our side-hustle spotlight was going to air today. But sadly, Wendy's mom passed away after a long hard-fought illness. She was treasured and will be greatly missed.

    Due to Wendy having to travel to Oregon to be with her dad and speak at her mom's funeral, we have lost some production time. So we were not able to get today's show out.

    Wednesday shows will not be affected and we promise to get our Friday show back up as soon as we can.

    Thank you for understanding!

    Wendy and Timika


    Episode 27 - A Prosperous Life After a Lay-off Jan 23, 2019
    Show notes

    Our guest today, Tela Holcomb of Trade Your 9 to 5, is a stocks and options trader, investor and a full-time entrepreneur. She is joining us to speak about how she was laid off from her primary job once they found out about her side hustle!

    House of FI listeners, you all know that I am a big supporter of the Side Hustle. I have my own side income, and in the past, I used side hustling to help in my debt pay off. In my experience, I was able to balance multiple jobs openly with employers. However, Wendy and I knew there was something to be learned from Tela’s story, and we needed to find out more.

    In today’s episode we talked about :

    1. Whether or not you should let your primary job know about your side hustle
    2. How to protect yourself financially when you are beginning a side hustle
    3. How to bounce back if you end up losing your main job
    4. And finally, How Tela was forced to recognize an obvious business opportunity, even though it wasn’t the side hustle she was laid off for!
    Tela’s Money Story

    Tela’s earliest money lesson was from her mother. Tela’s mom believed in learning through action, and she would have Tela balance her checkbook and pay the household bills beginning when Tela was around 15-year old! This experience instilled consistency and first-hand experience into Tela’s budgeting habits.

    Later, when Tela began working, she always exhibited curiosity and a willingness to learn. When she worked at a local hotel’s breakfast bar, she convinced the college student at the front desk to secretly train her on the front desk duties so that she could transfer to the job herself.

    Tela was committed to taking control of her future!

    Searching for Commitment

    When Tela was in high school, she had dreams of becoming a lawyer. As she made her way through school, though, she began to see others return from college just to remain stuck in the same small town. She knew that she needed something different - something that would allow her the opportunity to leave and never circle back to hometown comfort.

    She found her answer in the military.

    Tela joined the Airforce for the commitment, the chance to travel and the chance to change her circumstances.

    The Full-Time Job vs The Side-Hustle

    After her time in the military, Tela found herself working for a government contracting firm doing the same type of work that she did in the military. She worked with this firm for 8 years in total and eventually decided to try her hand at creating her own, similar firm.

    Why did she feel the need to start her own similar business? Well, government contracts are often defined by a term limit. With the contracts her company sought, the contracts ended annually. This was a source of anxiety for Tela, and she wanted to ensure her income by finding additional, similar work.

    Unfortunately, while she openly shared that she was creating the side business, her company eventually gave her an ultimatum due to a potential conflict of interest. When she decided to stick with her plan, she was laid off from the position - and was left to pick up the financial pieces of her decision.

    Steps to Take After Losing A Job

    Tela and her husband took immediate steps after Tela lost her main source of income. Here are some of the things they did after the lay off (as well as some things you should do while you have a steady income).

    1. Sit down and discuss the issue with your significant other, or those potentially affected by the layoff
    2. Look at your budget to determine what changes, if any, need to be made
    3. Check your existing cash reserves and determine how long you can survive before requiring more income
    4. Decide if paying off existing debts immediately is a good decision in the long run - it decreases monthly expenses but also depletes cash reserves
    5. Figure out alternate sources of income, list them out, and begin pursuing them.

    Life After Lay-Off

    In Tela’s situation, she and her husband were avid savers. They always paid down debt and were overpaying on their mortgage. When they looked at their budget, they recognized that Tela had months of leeway to start and grow her dream business.

    While this was great news, over the next 6 months, it became clear that it would be harder to grow her consulting firm than she hoped.

    Every now and then, she would trade a few stocks to bring in extra cash - leading her husband to have a light bulb moment...Why not do that instead?

    We go into detail into how she learned to trade successfully in our episode. Listen now to hear

    1. The tried and true steps that Tela took to master the Bull Market.
    2. Who taught Tela about Trading
    3. What account you MUST have before getting started
    4. How Tela’s average day looks
    5. What is and how to create your own trading plan
    Tela on the final questions:

    Money Lessons

    Budgeting and saving taught by her mom. Since she had these down at a young age, her mind was primed for other more complicated ideas later, like investments.

    Favorite Life hacks

    Wait ONE WEEK. If Tela still wants it after that time, she will go back and get it!

    Favorite Read This Year

    The Year of Yes, by Shonda Rhimes - especially the parts about saying yes to saying no. Freedom and time with the family has always been a priority, so following the ideas in the book allowed her to reassess her priorities. Tela began to make sure the business was structured in a way that fits into her freedom.

    Best way for listeners to find you:

    TelaHolcomb.com and on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube at Tela Holcomb.


    Episode 26 Bonus Fin Con Friday, Reaching FI, The College Game and Money and Kids Jan 18, 2019
    Show notes

    Wealth Coach Rocky Lalvani, MBA, Enrolled Agent IRS, helps people who have financial success utilize their money to live a life of abundance. Rocky is the millionaire next door. He started out with basically nothing when his parents immigrated to the United State when he was 2 years old and his dad was 42. It was his parents second big move in life and they were starting over again to create the American dream. In spite of a lot of struggles and his Mom passing away when he was 7, he has been able to achieve financial success and wants to share all that he has learned along the way so others can achieve success much faster.

    THE COLLEGE GAME

    Hear why Rocky took his son out of school and put him in college as a Junior in High School via dual enrollment home school and why Rocky believes that the traditional idea of college may not be the best choice for our kids.

    Resources Discussed:

    Via CLEP testing high schoolers can test out of certain topics in high school. CLEP exams cover intro-level college course material in 33 subjects. A passing score on just one CLEP exam can save you 100+ hours of class time and coursework and up to $1,200 in tuition. Follow the link below to learn more.

    CLEP testing

    The Common Data Set is a standardized set of questions most often asked by parents, students, and other members of the higher education community. The stated purpose is to improve prospective students and parents experience to allow for comparing information about prospective schools on such topics as admissions, enrollment and other standardized data.

    Common Data set

    ROCKY'S BIGGEST FINANCIAL MISTAKES

    Rocky's two biggest financial mistakes were with his investments.

    Not getting involved in real estate sooner

    Panicking in the Stock market and chasing returns. He should have rode it out.

    INTERGENERATIONAL WEALTH AND MONEY LESSONS FOR KIDS

    I asked Rocky the question of how we can raise financially literate kids.

    One of the worries Rocky has based upon what he has seen as an immigrant is that the– 1st generation lays the foundation, the 2nd generation builds the wealth…3rd generation blows it all.

    How do we avoid that?

    Making sure my kids know this is - “my money, not your money.”

    When giving allowance they have rules: Beginning at age five, they get $5.00. Of that, $2.00 is to spend, $2.00 is to save, and $1.00 is for charity.

    Then when they say, “I want that." My response is, “good you have your own money, go get it.”

    This teaches them delayed gratification.

    He cut his daughter off at college.

    Kids Money Mindset – they mimic you. B/t 5-12 the critical age of when mindsets are established.

    Kids listen to what you DO not what you SAY.

    You and spouse need to be on the same page. Kids are master negotiators.

    GEETA'S CONVERSATION WITH HER DAD

    If you wanted to hear more about the episode with Rocky’s daughter, Geeta, follow the link below. Some of the topics they discuss are:

    • The allowance system and how it taught her how to use money, spend less and save more. Blog post: How to get your kids out of your wallet
    • Why she decided to home school for the last 2 years of high school.
    • The different conferences Geeta was able to attend and what she learned.
    • Roth IRA’s for kids and the power of compound interest. Blog post: I gave my kids $200,000 for Christmas
    • The college choice conundrum.
    http://richersoul.com/ep-0072-intentionally-raising-financially-savvy-kids-with-my-daughter-geeta/

    If you want to connect with Rocky....Rocky’s weekly podcast can be found at http://richersoul.com/ and you can email him at rocky@richersoul.com.


    Episode 26 Mastering the Side-Hustle, From Side Hustle to Full-Time Income Jan 16, 2019
    Show notes

    House of FI - Did you know that the Department of Labor projects there will be a 600% increase in entrepreneurship by the year 2025? This projection implies that people of all ages are actively becoming interested in this thing called Side Hustling.

    Nick Loper, the creator of the Side Hustle Nation Podcast, has been at the forefront of exploring the industry, hustle by hustle. On the Side Hustle Nation podcast, he has interviewed over 300 different side hustlers! He has also written multiple books on the subject and completed a TEDx talk about business building.

    In today’s episode, we spoke to him about the role that entrepreneurship has played in his life, as he juggles work, family and various interests. We spoke about productivity hacks, and how you should think about an efficiency tune-up if you are thinking of adding side hustling to your life.

    Earliest Money Memories

    Young Nick was molded into a side hustler by his mother. Nick's mom pushed him to make money as a kid if he wanted to buy a toy or purchase an item. This early push towards entrepreneurship led him to try other forms of business as he grew older.

    For example, when in college, Nick spent one summer painting homes in town. From this experience, he learned how to trade a skill for money, how to set pricing, and how difficult it is to scale when you are working in certain job categories - such as manual labor.

    Yearning for Something more

    After college, Nick Loper went to work for Ford, and while the job paid the bills, it became clear right away that he wouldn't be able to make it for 30 years living the cubicle life. He began to explore alternatives.

    Always the learner, Nick took what he learned about SEO, e-commerce and affiliate marketing to begin using google ads to sell items for money. As he honed his skills, he eventually decided it was time to get over the inertia of thinking about a podcast, and he took the steps to start one.

    The Side Hustle Show Podcast

    Nick Loper started the Side Hustle Show Podcast in 2013, about 8-9 years after running his affiliate marketing side business. While he toyed with the idea of starting the podcast years before, he admits that he was not in the right place - the right state of mind - to start it before he did.

    Now that he took the leap and started the show, it has been 5 years of growth, and is a completely life-changing experience for him - opening him up to a worldwide network of supporters and like-minded learners.

    Managing It All

    When asked "How do you manage it all - podcaster, author, dad, husband - Nick responds, "Practice". We all agreed that balancing family with our desires for growth requires a steep learning curve. Nick admits that adding kids to the mix has made him way less productive, but way more efficient.

    It's a skill that can't be underestimated - mastering efficiency.

    Nick's words of wisdom:

    1. At least do something to move yourself forward before taking a break.
    2. Stack it Up - Structure the weeks - trying to push all meetings and phone calls onto one day a week.
    3. Find resources - Nick like productivityist by Mike Vardy
    4. Ensure Support - It takes the support of family and friends to do this type of work. Nick gives due credit to his wife, who has motivated him, pushed him, learned with him, and allowed him certain freedoms to explore his dreams.
    Nick on the Final Questions

    Money Lessons

    Nick's parents were better off than they let on, but they instilled that frugality that takes some of us years to learn as adults. If you want something you are have to go earn it. Set the money aside - even if you have it.

    They also helped me when I made a crappy investment. They would say “it’s only money” - which lets you know you can just go out and make more.

    He is hopeful that his kids can learn the same lessons from him and his wife.

    They also helped me when I made a crappy investment. They would say “it’s only money” - which lets you know you can just go out and make more.

    Favorite Lifehacks

    Be the last of your friends to have kids. You get lots of hand me downs :-) (Don't I know it - I (Timika) benefited from Crystal's hand me downs, and my friend Brandy (author of this Reluctant Frugalist article) benefits from mine!

    What is your favorite read and why?

    Atomic Habits by James Clear - It breaks down the methods to create high-performance habits, which key to efficiency and consistency.

    The Power of Habit - by Charles Duhigg (Wendy's Add)

    Best way for listeners to find you?

    The Side Hustle Show Podcast, Side Hustle Nation website.


    Episode 25 Bonus Michelle Schroeder Gardner Jan 11, 2019
    Show notes

    Picture this... Creating a blog to document your financial independence journey that paid you NOTHING. Then by almost accident, you make your first $100.00 and a light bulb goes off. You realize your blog COULD BE your business. And now this once hobby makes you over $100,000.00 a month and has allowed you to buy a boat and travel around the world! If you are me, this sounds almost like a dream, right? Well, this is what happened to Michelle, today's Bonus FinCon Friday Episode.

    Michelle's story almost gives me goosebumps because her story is so incredible. The lesson of this episode is threefold. 1. Your hobby can be a business. 2. Don't listen to naysayers if what you are doing is working. 3. Your business can be a vehicle to build your dream life!

    To learn more about Michelle and check out her blog, you can fo that here.

    Michelle Schroeder ­Gardner is the founder of Making Sense of Cents, a personal finance website that helps readers learn how to save more, earn money, and live more. She currently earns over $100,000 a month from her blogging business and shows no signs of slowing down. She currently travels full­time with her husband and two dogs via sailboat.


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