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Ron Unz provides his analysis on the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic. He discusses the possibility of it being deliberate biowarfare by the United States against China and Iran, given it appeared at the peak of America's global confrontation with China. As a moderately lethal but highly contagious pathogen, it was designed to be an "anti-economy" bioweapon, and the national security state apparatus which carried out the attack likely believed there would be minimal blowback.
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Show Notes
Major Covid/Biowarfare Articles https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles
American Pravda: Anne Frank, Sirhan Sirhan, and AIDS https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-anne-frank-sirhan-sirhan-and-aids
Covid Deaths and Vaxxing Deaths https://www.unz.com/runz/covid-deaths-and-vaxxing-deaths
Covid-19 False Flag? w/Ron Unz, Kevin Barrett, Barry Kissin, Meryl Nass, Thomas Willcuts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mFFcKo-gLY
Websites
The Unz Review https://www.unz.com
Twitter https://twitter.com/UnzReview
TRANSCRIPT
Geopolitics & Empire:
The Geopolitics & Empire podcast is joined by Ron Unz. He is a theoretical physicist by training, has worked in the financial services software industry, and became involved in politics and public policy activities. He founded The Unz Review in, I believe, 2013, which garners a lot of traffic, is widely read. Welcome to Geopolitics & Empire, Mr. Unz.
Ron Unz:
Hey, great to be here.
Geopolitics & Empire:
Yeah, good to have you. And just a few quick announcements before we begin. Tomorrow, actually, I am released from YouTube prison as my second first strike in a row will expire. I'm not sure if I will post this controversial interview with Ron in full on Pentagon too, but listeners know they can find it on all podcast platforms and now the five video platforms of Odyssey, Rumble, Rokfin, BitChute and Brighteon. The brand new website for Geopolitics & Empire has just gone live. You can find it at geopoliticsandempire.com. There's a new membership option there to help support the podcast and get access to my new brief weekly podcast, commentary, monthly newsletter, private Telegram, and monthly group call with members. All of this, both in English and Spanish.
Now, back to Mr. Unz who will be discussing his take on the origins of the pandemic, how deadly he deems the pandemic to be the efficacy of the vaccines, the new cold war with China and so forth. Just real quick. My view is that there is no way any of this to me was natural or accidental or spontaneous given all the evidence we have seen the past few years. I can only interpret the pandemic as a planned event. For me, the question then becomes planned by who, what is the nature exactly of the pandemic and to what end?
I initially viewed it as a biological warfare attacked by the west against the east. I also entertained the idea that it could be a biological attacked by the east against the west. But given the global coordination we've been seeing lately by all nations against their own peoples, I'm starting to view it as an attack by ruling elites around the globe on their own populations as George Orwell wrote in Nineteen Eighty-Four.
I tend to believe that we are not in a pandemic by definition. I question whether there is a virus at all, and that it's possible many events were manufactured. But I'm still not sure, and I'm of course, open to the idea that there was a gain-of-function, a virus. I view the vaccines as dangerous and possibly as a bio weapon as some people have said such as Francis Boyle. But more importantly for me, I'm afraid that it created a pretext for the installation of a Chinese style, social credit, digital passport kind of system.
So those are my 2 cents. I know on the Unz Review, you have given platform to a wide range of views on the matter, which is fantastic and how media should be. Mike Whitney has been a prolific commentator in your site but you disagree with him on many points. So we're ready for your take on COVID 19. I believe you believe it was a bio warfare by the west against China and Iran among others, that the pandemic health threat is serious, and that there is little evidence demonstrating the vaccines are harmful. I'm not really here to debate, but just for you to give us your data dump. So maybe we can start with the bio warfare aspect. Give us your take, Mr. Unz.
Ron Unz:
Okay. Well, I mean, my views in some ways probably are much more conventional and closer to the mainstream than some of the issues that you've raised. When the epidemic obviously first began, it suddenly appeared in the city of Wuhan, China. And then at first, really nobody knew what was behind it. So obviously after a few months, the conventional wisdom, the establishment opinion settled in it being a natural virus. And that was basically supported by articles that came out in Nature Medicine and science. And the entire media shifted over to that perspective.
So in other words, really for about a year, the establishment position in the media was that it was a natural virus that unfortunately leaked into the human population and was devastating the world for that reason. Now, that certainly was possible. But a few months ago, there's suddenly that, what I guess could be called almost a propaganda bubble ended up bursting. Particularly, a long time science journalist named Nick Wade, who had been editor, science editor at the New York Times and spent decades there came out with a very long and detailed analysis pointing to the fact that there's very little evidence that's a natural virus.
And if it's not a natural virus, he argued that the obvious alternative was that it was an artificial virus produced ina laboratory that leaked out of Wuhan, China. Those are the two possibilities that have been widely debated in the media over the last six or eight months, either a natural virus, which was the previous conventional opinion or a lab leak, an artificial virus that leaked out of Wuhan, China. It seems to me, the interesting thing about the debate is that there's an obvious third possibility, which just as you say has been discussed in fringe areas of the internet from the beginning, but has really been confined to those fringe areas.
And the third possibility is that it was a deliberate bio warfare attack. In other words, the virus was biologically engineered to be moderately lethal, but extremely, extremely contagious. So in effect, it was designed to be an anti-economy bioweapon, not an anti-personnel bioweapon and that with the fatality rate of about 0.5 to 1%, obviously it wouldn't wipe out a population, but it would kill a sufficiently large fraction of the population, and it was so extremely contagious that countries that were infected with it would have to take drastic measures that would disrupt their economy to control it. And that's exactly what happened in China.
In other words, when you're looking at the details of the original incident in China, the virus appeared in Wuhan, China, according to all of the best estimates towards the end of October or towards the beginning of November. That was patient zero. Now, that would've allowed exactly right amount of time for the virus to become an unstoppable epidemic around the time of the Lunar New Year travels in China.
In other words, the Lunar New Year is a tremendously important holiday in China. It's the equivalent of Christmas, New Year's, and number of other things put together with 450 million Chinese traveling. Wuhan is a key transit hub. So to the extent that the virus became widespread in Wuhan invisibly before the government noticed what was happening and during the lunar New York travels, it would've infected the entire country and had a devastating impact in China's economy.
Now, the virus appeared exactly at the peak of America's global confrontation with China. And the suspicion that the two events connected is really a fairly obvious one. Furthermore, when you look at some of the details of what had been happening in China, the previous two years, in 2018, there was a mysterious viral epidemic that had devastated China's poultry industry.
In 2019, there was a mysterious viral epidemic that appeared in China and destroyed 40% of China's pig herds, its primary meat source. So we're talking about a virus appearing in 2018, attacking its food supply. A virus appearing in 2019 attacking another source of food supply, and then a virus appearing at the end of 2019 that could have devastated China's economy in exactly that sort of way.
Now, as it happens, when we look at some of the other events that really would make anybody very suspicious, in 2017, before these viral epidemics began, a man named Robert Kadlec was brought into the Trump administration. For decades, he'd been one of America's leading bio warfare experts, an advocate of bio warfare as being a very useful and plausibly deniable means of damaging or severely disrupting international adversaries.
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