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    Four Brewers: Craft Beer and Homebrew

    Four Brewers is a weekly craft beer and homebrew podcast made up of four beer geeks who love beer and its community.

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    [S2/E33] Brewin' At Home With Nat n' Nagel Aug 17, 2015
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    Season 2, Episode 33 – This week, homebrew from Nagel and special guest Natalie DeNicholas.

    Friend and fellow homebrewer, Natalie DeNicholas, joins us on the show this week with homebrew in hand. She’s been brewing for a few years now, and is a member of the famous southern California homebrew club, Maltose Falcons.

    Natalie DeNicholas (via Instagram)

    First up are two saisons that Natalie brewed early in her homebrewing career. While she doesn’t remember the details of the recipes, she does remember the basics of each of the beers. The first saison we try poured brilliantly clear in the glass and smelled wonderful. This beer was pretty basic as saison recipes go, and was fermented with a French farmhouse yeast strain (assumably Wyeast 3711). The carbonation and flavor on this beer was great and served as a perfect opener for the show. The second saison was more in line with a tradition Belgian saison, made with belgian malts and fermented with a Belgian White Labs yeast strain (WLP565, more than likely).

    Next up is Natalie’s anti-oatmeal stout. The recipe originally called for oats to be used in the mash but Natalie, well, forgot to add them. Whoops. It happens to us all at one point or another. This beer had a big chocolate aroma, and even though it didn’t have oats to beef up the body, it maintained a nice mouthfeel with a pleasantly sweet body. Great stuff, indeed.

    We finish up with a kölsch from Mr. Nagel. Prior to the show, Greg thought about filtering this beer to see how much it would affect certain aspects of it, but he ultimately couldn’t find the time to get it done. Since this brew was version 1.0, he thought he’d bring it by anyway to get our feedback on how it could be improved. Temperature during fermentation can have a big impact on the yeast character of a beer, especially a kölsch. We all conclude that the ester profile is a bit much in this beer and fermenting at a cooler temperature might help reduce it to an acceptable level.

    BREW THE SHIT OUT OF IT.

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    [S2/E32] Settling The Green Flash Alpine Debate Aug 10, 2015
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    Season 2, Episode 32 – This week we find out if Green Flash Brewing Company’s versions of Alpine Beer Company beers are up to snuff with Alpine’s authentic brews.

    These days, brewery buy-outs and partnerships are becoming more and more commonplace, not only in terms of macro breweries buying out smaller craft breweries, but also larger craft breweries partnering and purchasing smaller, well known craft breweries. One example as of late is the purchase of Alpine Beer Company by Green Flash Brewing Company. Whether a brewery is purchased by a macro or a fellow craft brewery, there is one question that most craft beer consumers and aficionados ask: What’s going to happen to the quality of the beer? Will it remain the same? Will it be brewed at the same brewery, or will it be shipped off to a massive brewhouse somewhere on the east coast, only to become a watered down, boring version of its former self?

    Alpine Beer Company – Nelson and Duet

    When it came to the purchase of Alpine Beer Company by Green Flash, most people thought it was a good thing for both companies. Alpine was a very small operation while Green Flash was cruising along with their brand new 50BBL brewhouse and making beer for the masses all over the country. With the help of Green Flash, Alpine could afford to pay its employees more money and provide benefits for them while at the same time getting their beer to more people. Green Flash is well versed in IPA, so replicating Alpine’s massively popular IPAs shouldn’t be too much for Green Flash to handle, right?

    This brings us to where we are today, and this week’s episode. For quite some time, Green Flash has been brewing two of Alpine’s best core beers: Duet and Nelson. Hop heads all over SoCal and beyond know and cherish these beers. They’re legendary. So, when Jason heard that beer geeks were harshly questioning the quality of Green Flash’s versions of the hoppy Alpine classics compared to the Alpine versions (which Alpine still brews and bottles), he decided to take matters into his own hands.

    This week, we’re drinking Duet and Nelson from both Green Flash Brewing Company and Alpine Beer Company. Jason went to Alpine Beer Company to purchase fresh bottles of Duet and Nelson that were brewed at Alpine, then went to Green Flash Brewing Company to purchase two fresh growlers of the same beers brewed at Green Flash.

    SPOILER ALERT: RESULTS AFTER THE PHOTO. Alpine Beer Company Growler Caps

    Let’s cut to the chase. We were very surprised with the outcome of this experiment. Two tasters of each beer were brought to us blindly. We were told what the beers were by name, but didn’t know which brewery they came from. John’s girlfriend, Yvonne, helped us out with that. [Thanks, Yvonne!] As it turns out, the criticism of Green Flash’s versions of Alpine’s beers is justified.

    Duet, brewed with Simcoe and Amarillo hops, was the real eye-opener. Drinking these beers side by side, you’d think they were completely different beers. Their colors were even quite different. Aromas were also different, and not just subtly. We even had to send Yvonne back to make sure she brought us Duet from each brewery. They were that different. The room was divided on which one of these was the better beer. In the end, we chose the Green Flash version as (what we thought was) the authentic version. Wrong.

    Duet and Nelson Side by Side

    The two Nelson variations were actually much closer to one another. But just like Duet, their colors were wildly different. The room agreed the one of the beers stood head and shoulders above the other. We guessed this one correctly. The Alpine version was fantastic.

    So, there you go. It seems the the criticism of Green Flash’s versions of the Alpine IPAs is somewhat warranted. That being said, Green Flash’s versions were still very good beers, but were different from the originals brewed by Alpine. Could batch scaling be the issue? Maybe each brewery had a different crop of hops? Then there’s the beer color issue. We kick around some ideas regarding why they were so different, but in the end, who knows. Maybe one day we’ll have Green Flash on the show and we’ll get an answer.

    BREW THE SHIT OUT OF IT.

    Beers from this week’s episode:Alpine Beer Company: Hoppy BirthdayAlpine Beer Company: DuetAlpine Beer Company: NelsonAlpine Beer Company: Pure Hoppiness

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    [S2/E31] A Random Group of Belgians Aug 03, 2015
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    Season 2, Episode 31 – This week, we’re drinking a variety of Belgian-style ales because why the hell not.

    It truly is a great time in craft beer. The beers are this week’s show exemplify it. Crooked Stave, Jester King, Highland Park Brewery…damn.

    We kick off the show with two beers from one of Los Angeles’ newest breweries, Highland Park Brewery. Highland Park is a local favorite of ours, and rightly so. They’re located near Eagle Rock Brewing and Golden Road Brewing Company, so making a trip so the somewhat out of the way brewery and tasting room at HP is well worthwhile.

    Assorted Dope-Ass Brews

    Next up is the 2015 LA Beer Week collaboration beer, Unity. Unity was brewed at Smog City Brewing in Torrance, CA in collaboration with other local Los Angeles breweries. We also spend a bit of time talking about LA Beer Week’s Kickoff Celebration that Jason and Matt attended back in June.

    The final beer is a collaboration between Crooked Stave, Jester King, and Swiss brewery Brasserie Trois Dames. Matt randomly found this beer at a local shop near The Bruery, so of course, he bought it. I mean, you can’t go wrong, right?

    Until next week…

    BREW THE SHIT OUT OF IT.

    Beers from this week’s episode:Highland Park Brewery: UnculturedHighland Park Brewery: Slow MovesSmog City and LA Beer Week Breweries: UnityCrooked Stave, Jester King, and Brasserie Trois Dames: Cerveza Sin Frontera

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    [S2/E30] Kyle Sent Us Homebrew! Jul 27, 2015
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    Season 2, Episode 30 – This week’s episode is all about homebrew, more specifically, homebrew from 4B super-fan Kyle Wells!

    Homebrew, homebrew, and more homebrew. This week it’s all about homebrew. We’ve got four on the show this week, three of which are from 4B Patron and super-fan Kyle Wells, and the from our very own Greg Nagel. Kyle gave us these brews a couple of months ago with the expectation that we’d try them on the show and give him some feedback. Spoiler alert: Kyle is a great brewer.

    Kyle Wells’ Homebrew

    Not too long ago, Greg brewed a batch of saison that was split up with the intent of making different beers from the same ten gallon batch. With this beer, he added some Anaheim chilies to the mix. Greg’s wife is a fan of chili beers, and this one was made just for her. Chili beers can be difficult to make. Getting the right balance of heat, chili aroma, and chili flavor is tricky. Getting it right takes a bit of trial and error. We all agree that this brew turned out well.

    Thanks for the brews, Kyle, and keep up the great work!

    BREW THE SHIT OUT OF IT.

    Beers from this week’s episode:Mid World Brewing: Black FlaggMid World Brewing: Belgian SaisonMid World Brewing: Scottish Red Ale, V1.1Fort Awesome Brewing: Anaheim Chili Saison

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    [S2/E29] Walt and Luke Dickinson of Wicked Weed Brewing Jul 19, 2015
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    Season 2, Episode 29 – This week, we’re hanging out with Walt and Luke Dickinson from Asheville, North Carolina’s Wicked Weed Brewing.

    So, this show is pretty rad. We’ve got Walt and Luke Dickinson from Wicked Weed Brewingon the show, at the same time, from two different locations, one of which is a car outside of a bar. Holy. Shit.

    Wicked Weed Brewing Canvas Series

    We’re drinking six different beers from two different series from Wicked Weed. The first set of brews is from their Canvas Series, which are basically smaller batch, experimental brews, and the other three are from their special release series of beers (basically, beers that made it beyond the canvas series).

    Wicked Weed Brewing – Medora, Black Angel, and Genesis

    Wicked Weed has pretty limited distribution at the moment, but that’s all about to change with the installment of their new 50BBL brewhouse (again, Holy. Shit.). Their popularity among beer geeks has been soaring as of late, and over here in SoCal, it’s hard to get ahold of their brews. Luckily, Wicked Weed was kind enough to send some of their amazing creations to us. There wasn’t a bad beer in the bunch. Seriously, they were all very good, and each beer was better than the next. Hey, Wicked Weed, distro in SoCal soon? Yeah?! Please?!

    Thanks again to Luke and Walt for hanging out with us!

    BREW THE SHIT OUT OF IT.

    Beers from this week’s episode:Brett BurglarLa Bonte (with Pear)Genesis Blonde SourMedoraRecurrantBlack Angel Cherry Sour

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    [S2/E28] pFour Brewers and pFriem pFresh Jul 13, 2015
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    Season 2, Episode 28 – This week we’re drinking Nagel’s vacation beers!

    Before I (John) start this post, The guys and I just want to say thank you to everyone who came to our first anniversary party at Hamilton Family Brewery. It was really fun catching up with our friends and fans, and seeing some new faces. Josh (brewer and co-owner of HamFam) did an excellent job with the collaboration saison, and everyone seemed to be really impressed with it.

    Four Brewers with Joshua Hamilton

    Big, BIG thanks to Josh and Crysten for having us at their place and for being so accommodating. We can only hope 4B anniversary parties to follow are just as epic.

    Now, to this week’s show!

    We’re back with our first 4B-only in-studio show in quite a while, and we’re drinking some beers that Greg brought back from his recent trip to Oregon.

    Fort George and The Commons Brewery – Plazm

    We kick off the show with a beer from Fort George Brewing, Plazm, a collaboration with The Commons Brewery. We’ve had Fort George on the show before, and we’re big fans of their IPA offerings. This time, we’re drinking their saison/farmhouse ale. Fort George never seems to be a let down, and this beer is no exception.

    Pfriem Beers

    We move on from Fort George and try a few beers from pFriem Family Brewers. Our good friend, Mike Sardina, recommended to Greg that he stop by their place while he was in Oregon, and Greg did just that. All in all, we really liked their beers, and we were really digging on the bottle art and labels. pFriem is definitely a brewery we’ll be on the lookout for in the future…

    Trinity Brewing – Damn, It Feels Good To Be a Gangsta!

    We wrap up with another round of “Guess That Brew”, and finish the show with Damn, It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta from Trinity Brewing out of Colorado Springs, Colorado. Greg happened to see Trinity on the shelf while he was up north. We don’t really have access to Trinity in SoCal, so why not pick some stuff up, right?

    Be sure listen next week, where we have Walt and Luke from Wicked Weed Brewing on the show!

    BREW THE SHIT OUT OF IT.

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    [S2/E27] Emma Christensen, Author of Brew Better Beer Jul 06, 2015
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    Season 2, Episode 27 – This week we’re hanging out with author Emma Christensen and we’re drinking homebrew.

    We’re back in the studio! While the on-locations shows are quite a hoot for us to do, it sure is nice to be back on our home turf.

    We’re joined this week by Emma Christensen via Google Hangouts. She wears variety of different hats, two of which are author and homebrewer. She’s also an editor at The Kitchn, which according many people (and more specifically Matt) is a super-rad web-based food magazine.

    Brew Better Beer – Emma Christensen

    Emma is the author of the home brewing how-to book, Brew Better Beer. She was kind enough to send us each a copy of the book, as well as four bottles of homebrew that she made from actually recipes in the book! Holy shit, how cool is that?!

    We talk to Emma about the book, what inspired her to write it, and how it’s different from other home brewing books. It should be said that it’s a beautiful book with a large variety of homebrew recipes, and was written for both the beginning and advanced homebrewers. You can check it out on Amazon, if you like.

    Obviously, there’s beer to be drank and don’t worry, we drank it. Emma drank along with us as well. It was fun, and the beers were pretty kick-ass.

    Big thanks to Emma for guesting on the show. Buy the book, and get to brewin’.

    BREW THE SHIT OUT OF IT.

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    [S2/E26] Round 2 with "Dr. Bill" Sysak Jun 29, 2015
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    Season 2, Episode 26 – This week, we’re back in Dr. Bill’s cellar, and talking about the business side of beer.

    This week we’re back in Dr. Bill’s epic cellar, and we’re discussing the beer industry. We kick off the discussion with a beer that falls right in line with the discussion, Stone Brewing Co.’s Enjoy By 07.04.15 IPA. Stone is a big advocate of enjoying beer fresh, and really has led the way in bottle dating and stressing the importance of checking the freshness of beers before they’re purchased and consumed. Enjoy By literally tells you when to drink the beer. Drink it fresh!

    Stone Brewing Co. – Enjoy By 07.04.15 IPA

    The next beer up is Cantillon’s Grand Cru Bruocsella, vintage 2011. This beer kicks off a really important discussion about beer quality, in regards to localized nano breweries. Craft beer is booming right now, and there are a lot of great breweries opening (which is totally awesome), but it does come with its caveats. Brewing beer on such a small scale leaves a lot of room for mistakes and QA issues. We talk about how important it is to make the best product possible, since many new customers are trying beer for the first time. You don’t want to leave them with a bad taste in their mouth…right?!

    Cantillon – Grand Cru Bruocsella

    Thanks again to Dr. Bill for having us at his home and in his radical cellar. You da man, Bill!

    BREW THE SHIT OUT OF IT.

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    [S2/E25] On Location at Urge American Gastropub Jun 22, 2015
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    Season 2, Episode 25 – This week we’re at the ever-so-awesome Urge Gastropub in Rancho Bernardo, San Diego.

    This week, we’re still in San Diego, California at our third stop, Urge American Gastropub. This show is a bit of a deviation from our normal shows in that Urge isn’t a brewery, but rather an awesome beer-geeky pub and restaurant.

    Anna, Hidden Barrel Peche, and Cable Car Ale

    Urge [bURGEr] Gastropub was founded in 2010 by owner and proprietor Grant Tondro and Zak Higson. Grant comes from a family of restaurant owners, and is a huge beer geek. Urge boasts 51 taps of craft beer, and an insane bottle list that even the geekiest beer geek would drool over. We kick off the show with a beer that’s pretty much impossible to get in Southern California, Anna from Hill Farmstead Brewery.

    Urge is a restaurant after all, so naturally we’re gonna have some food on the show. Grant whipped up an awesome spread for us that included a few different burgers and some beer cheese fries. It’s all awesome stuff–Urge is no joke.

    Grant Tondro, General Manager & Proprietor, Urge Gastropub

    The other beers on the show include a peach sour named Hidden Barrel Peche from AC Golden (yup, Coors), a 2015 Cable Car Ale from The Lost Abbey, and a pint of 2015 YuleSmith Summer from AleSmith Brewing Co.. #Whalezbro indeed…

    Inside the Coldbox at Urge Gastropub

    Grant has plans to open a brewery in Oceanside, California in late 2015 named Mason Ale Works, with Mike Rodriguez (formerly of The Lost Abbey and Boulevard Brewing) at the helm. Keep your eyes open…

    Urge Gastropub is a great spot with delicious food, awesome brews and a great atmosphere. Definitely worth checking out the next time you’re in the area.

    BREW THE SHIT OUT OF IT.

    Links to things from this week’s episode:S2/E25 Show Outline

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    [S2/E24] On Location at Belching Beaver Brewery Jun 15, 2015
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    Season 2, Episode 24 – This week, we’re visiting one of the many breweries along the Hop Highway, Belching Beaver Brewery in Vista, CA.

    Belching Beaver is one of many breweries along the legendary Hop Highway in San Diego, California, which is home to many other notable breweries like Stone Brewing Co., Port Brewing Company, Toolbox Brewing Company, and Iron Fist Brewing Co.. Opening just three years ago, they’ve already set themselves apart with their unique takes on classic styles. They really skyrocketed in popularity with the release of their delicious Peanut Butter Milk Stout.

    Belching Beaver Brewery Beers (Rabid Beaver Rye IPA not pictured)

    During the course of the episode, we sample six different beers from the brewery, and discuss them with Belching Beaver brewer, Sean Laidlaw. Sean started in the beer industry at Mission Brewery after returning from a stint at Sierra Nevada Beer Camp, which is also where he met our own Greg Nagel. After working at Mission Brewery for just over a year as an assistant brewer, he decided to just ship and start brewing at Belching Beaver.

    Sean Laidlaw, Brewer at Belching Beaver Brewery

    The first two beers we try on the show are Me So Honey and Beaver’s Milk, both of which are very well crafted and awesome beers. But when we get to their coconut and pineapple infused IPA Great Lei, our minds are blown. Typically, coconut is used in stouts and porters. The roasted notes and tropical sweetness from the coconut really lends itself well to those styles. But when the coconut is paired with pineapple and the right variety of matching hops in the IPA style, it works amazingly well. For those who aren’t keen to IPA, this beer introduces hops and bitterness in a very approachable way by masking the bitterness with the pineapple while enhancing the fruit characteristics of the hops. The coconut really takes it over the top to make it a refreshing and tropical experience.

    Belching Beaver Brewery – Hop Highway IPA

    Next up is a beer whose name is a tribute to San Diego’s stretch of beer-legend highway, Hop Highway IPA. India Pale Ale in San Diego is nothing new, so for a new brewery to launch with an IPA named after such a legendary stretch of road, it’d better be great. This beer delivers. Made with Citra, Nelson, and Galaxy hops, this beer delivers lasting, clean bitterness and tropical hop bite. IPAs these days tend to trend more toward less hop bitterness with massive hop aroma and flavor. This beer pays tribute to the classic style, but also delivers the modern characteristics that IPA lovers today demand.

    Greg Nagel

    Belching Beaver recently announced that they will be canning their beers, which is music to our ears. Cans are super-portable and protect beer very well from light and oxidation. Belching Beaver is currently using a mobile canning line, but plans on installing their on canning line when the new brewery in Oceanside, California is built.

    We can’t thank Belching Beaver enough for having us at the brewery. Next time you’re in North County, pay them a visit.

    BREW THE SHIT OUT OF IT.

    Links to things from this week’s episode:S2/E24 Show OutlineBeers from this show: Me So Honey, Beaver’s Milk, Great Lei, Hop Highway IPA, Rabid Beaver Rye IPA, and Old Smokestack.

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