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[BONUS] Jen Hatmaker Book Club ft. The Little Italian Hotel by Phaedra Patrick Sep 13, 2024

Show notes

Jen and New York Times best-selling author, Phaedra Patrick, discuss “The Little Italian Hotel” and how finding a way through heartache can look wildly different from one person to the next.

Phaedra was a self-taught writer who almost gave up on her dream before she had a breakthrough with her runaway hit, “The Curious Charms of Arthur Pepper.” In her darkest moments she always reminds herself, “When I don’t feel confident, I just tell myself that I can always feel determined instead.” With that boldness in mind, she writes novels to make people feel good about themselves and want to connect with others.

Particularly compelling moments between Jen and Phaedra include:

Phaedra’s incredible story of teaching herself to write and dealing with rejection in the beginning of her career
The author's insights on the challenges women face on putting themselves first
Phaedra’s reasoning on the open ending of the book
Why connecting with others in warm and gentle spaces can lead to healing

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“When I don't feel confident, I just tell myself that I can always feel determined instead.” - Phaedra Patrick

Resources and Books Mentioned in This Episode:

The Little Italian Hotel by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/4fJ92fJ

The Year of What If by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/4drmseX

Rise and Shine, Benedict Stone by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/3X3ugOr

The Curious Charms Of Arthur Pepper by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/3WIQWSw

Garden Spells by Sarah Addison Allen - https://bit.ly/3YKUsyA

The Authenticity Project by Clare Pooley- https://bit.ly/4fC6XT7

The Love of My After Life by Kirsty Greenwood - https://bit.ly/46SffSQ

Phaedra’s Writing Tips - https://www.phaedra-patrick.com/writing-tips

Guest’s Links:

Phaedra’s Website - https://www.phaedra-patrick.com/

Phaedra’s Instagram - http://instagram.com/phaedrapatrick

Phaedra’s Twitter - http://twitter.com/phaedrapatrick

Phaedra’s Facebook - http://facebook.com/phaedrapatrick

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy.

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[ENCORE] Redefining Aging: Cheryl Bridges Johns on Embracing the Menopausal Journey Sep 11, 2024

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Have you ever met someone who’s excited about menopause? It might seem like a rare breed, but isn’t it time we reconsider our relationship with aging? While society often tells us that 50 should look like 30, the reality is that growing older is a badge of honor—even if it comes with its own set of quirks. Menopause, instead of being a dreaded foe, is more like an old friend that invites us to a new chapter filled with wisdom, laughter, and some hilariously unpredictable moments.

Rather than shying away from this natural transition, Cheryl Bridges Johns encourages us to lean into it, celebrating the changes and uncovering the vibrant selves we’ve always been. Through her insightful book, “Seven Transforming Gifts of Menopause,” she illuminates the idea that this phase is an opportunity for rediscovery—like uncovering a hidden treasure chest on a stormy day. As we navigate these waters together, it's easier to see that aging is not the end; it’s merely the beginning of a bravely authentic and empowered life. PLUS an all new episode intro from Amy and Jen who get into a Rant & Rave segment about the joys of permimenopause and menopause that you won’t want to miss.

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“Women are allowed to age but we are not allowed to mature.” - Cheryl Bridges Johns

“We're the daughters of the Silent Generation but our daughters don't have to be.” - Cheryl Bridges Johns

“Menopause is a gift to revisit. What did you let go, what did you repress? The uncovering of menopause is like a storm that comes in and you realize there’s a ship where you couldn’t see it before. It was hidden and the storm became a clearing, an uncovering.” - Cheryl Bridges Johns

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

The Silent Passage - Gail Sheehy - https://bit.ly/4dTE1Ve

How to Survive a Shipwreck: Help Is on the Way and Love is Already Here - Jonathan Martin - https://bit.ly/4gaB5oL

The Wisdom of Menopause: Creating Physical and Emotional Health During Change - Christiane Northrup - https://bit.ly/3TifroB

Jen’s Blog - What’s Saving My Life Right Now: Perimenopause Edition - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/pages/perimenopause-survival-guide

Guest’s Links:

Cheryl's Website - https://cherylbjohns.com

Cheryl's Twitter - https://twitter.com/cb_johns

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy.

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MAKING SENSE OF THE 2024 ELECTION: With Pantsuit Politics’ Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers Sep 04, 2024

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It’s election season, and it’s been an interesting ride to this cycle’s moment of truth! Jen and Amy dive deep into the heart of the upcoming 2024 election with the insightful women from Pantsuit Politics–Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers. The conversation centers around the distinct dynamics shaping this election, along with insight as to why it’s vastly different from 2016; sparking a thought-provoking dialogue about the evolving political landscape.

With Vice President Kamala Harris potentially on the brink of breaking barriers as our first female president, the discussion also touches on the hopes and challenges ahead. Sarah and Beth were participants at the Democratic National Convention in August, and they share what that experience was like, and how it informed their views of the current political terrain. As we look to a potentially historic outcome, Beth and Sarah share practical ways we can engage in the process and build community as we navigate this pivotal moment together.

You also won’t want to miss a new GenXcellence segment where Jen and Amy reminisce about their first voting experiences.

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“Humans rising to the moment; that just never gets old to me. That's what politics can really be--including politicians who I know get a really bad rap. But watching them come into a moment they couldn't have expected, watching history show up on their doorsteps and go, all right, let's do it. I think it's just been so exhilarating”. - Sarah Stewart Holland

“I could talk all day about all the things that Vice President Harris has done that no one talks about. I have been on the train for years that Biden needed to be a one term president, and that she was an excellent successor to him. And I think it's played out in a really strange way that presents some challenges, but also some opportunities for her. I am thrilled that America is finally getting to have a real introduction to her.” - Beth Silvers

“Good governance needs people advocating for really different approaches to legislation, to policy, to issues, to messaging.” - Beth Silvers

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Project 2025 - https://bit.ly/3XqR2jt

New York Times Article about Jelly Roll - https://bit.ly/3MrFrKv

I Think Your’re Wrong (But I'm Listening) by Sarah Stewart Holland & Beth Silvers - https://www.amazon.com/Think-Youre-Wrong-Listening-Conversations/dp/1400208416

Now What? By Sarah Stewart Holland & Beth Silvers - https://bit.ly/4cOXV2b

Guest’s Links:

Pantsuit Politics Website - https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/

Pantsuit Politics Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/pantsuitpolitics/

Pantsuit Politics Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/pantsuitpolitics/

Pantsuit Politics Twitter - https://bit.ly/3Xsx32H

Escaping the Productivity Trap: Kendra Adachi’s Lazy Genius Perspective Aug 28, 2024

Show notes

It’s a brand new season of the show and we are thrilled to have Amy Hardin, Jen’s longtime friend, join us on the podcast for a whole new adventure in laughing at ourselves and learning from our incredible guests.

The Lazy Genius herself, Kendra Adachi, joins Jen and Amy today to challenge our culture's obsession with productivity and time management. Kendra offers a revolutionary perspective: the problem isn't you — it's the capitalistic, patriarchal culture we've all been raised in. Kendra unpacks why traditional productivity advice often fails women and shares a more compassionate approach for managing busy lives.

Whether you're drowning in laundry, juggling work and family, or simply craving a kinder way to approach your days, this conversation will leave you feeling seen, encouraged, and equipped with practical strategies.

Discover how to:

Shift your mindset from pursuing 'greatness' to embracing contentment
Take small, sustainable steps instead of attempting drastic overhauls
Adapt your systems to fit your unique life and needs
Find freedom from rigid to-do lists and unrealistic expectations

Don't miss Kendra's sneak peek into her upcoming book 'The Plan' - it just might change your life!

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

"I thought I just had to try harder or give up. And those are not the only two options, everybody. There's a wide middle between ‘try hard’ and ‘give up.’ And so that's when I pivoted my online writing to this space to the Lazy Genius Ecosystem, as you called it, which is, 'let's be a genius about the things that matter and lazy about the things that don't. And everyone gets to choose what those things are.'" - Kendra Adachi

"I think that we forget that the paradigm that we all live under in a Western, capitalistic, patriarchal society is not one that supports what I'm talking about in many ways. And so, it's hard to do. It's very, very hard because the waters that we live in really do not support this kind of idea. So the problem is not you is what I'm saying. The problem is not you." - Kendra Adachi

"Your to-do list is not the boss of you. It's a tool." - Kendra Adachi

“93% of time management productivity books are written by men.” - Kendra Adachi

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Feed These People by Jen Hatmaker- https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/products/ftp-book

The Lazy Genius Podcast - https://bit.ly/4drs4WB

The Lazy Genius Way - https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/way

For the Love Podcast ft. Kendra Adachi - https://bit.ly/3WUZdD7

The Plan by Kendra Adachi - https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/theplan

For the Love Podcast ft. Emily P. Freeman - https://bit.ly/4cGSRNr

Guest’s Links

Website - https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thelazygenius/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/groups/2548803345149849

Twitter - https://twitter.com/lazykendra

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - ht ...

Friendship By the Numbers: Enneagram Expert Ian Cron Weighs In Aug 21, 2024

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It’s an exciting time here at the For the Love Podcast and we are excited to share a brand new season of the show, now featuring Jen’s longtime friend, Amy Hardin! Amy’s been popping into the show all summer, and we’re thrilled to welcome her with an official seat across from Jen for all our upcoming episodes!

And what better way to get to know Amy and Jen together all over again than to bring on an Enneagram personality typing expert to give the nod to their beautiful partnership.

Ian Cron, author, podcaster and Enneagram expert weighs in on Jen and Amy’s longtime friendship and gives a peek into how he thinks they will mesh as a podcast duo (tip of the hat to any friendships that are a “three” and “six” combo out there!). They also spend a little time talking about the Enneagram types of their partners—highlighting the dynamics in how different types complement (and sometimes clash with) each other.

If you’re not familiar with the Enneagram, you’re going to be fascinated, and if you are, you’ll love hearing Ian’s incredible insight into many of the 9 personality types. PLUS, Ian for the very first time on any podcast, talks about his brand new book “The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between.”

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“What I love about Enneagram sixes is; you are practical, loyal, and very witty—in a wry, wonderful way. Your humor comes out as being very self-deprecating. Then sometimes, when you're on autopilot, you default to a lot of questioning and self-doubting, and sometimes you'll be seen as being skeptical or anxious.” - Ian Morgan Cron

“What determines the health of a relationship has to do with how much self-awareness each of the two people in it have. So two types of people of any Enneagram type or combination can be great with each other to the degree that they're self-aware and they're doing their own personal work.” - Ian Morgan Cron

“I think the friendship exchange between an Enneagram three and a six is really interesting and beautiful. The three’s ambition and drive are tempered by the six’s caution and loyalty.” - Ian Morgan Cron

“People ask me all the time; are there two Enneagram types that really go better together than other types? I'm like--it's all about how self-aware you are. Any two types can do great together to the degree they're doing their work and sharing the journey of self-discovery.” - Ian Morgan Cron

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

For the Love of The Enneagram - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-27/

For the Love Episode on Enneagram Fours ft. Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3Aa6oPU

Jen Hatmaker Book Club Podcast Episode ft. Hillary McBride - https://bit.ly/3AvW4lL

For the Love Encore Episode ft. Bessel van Der Kolk - https://bit.ly/3YzyRcg

The Story of You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/46FWbam

The Fix It by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3WzFYyK

The Road Back to You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/4dejnPf

The Last Blockbuster - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8704802/

Find out your Enneagram typ ...

[BONUS ENCORE] Following Your Heart for Meaningful Change with Jennifer Garner Aug 16, 2024

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Jen and her longtime friend, Amy Hardin, return together to introduce this previous interview with Jennifer Garner that was one of For the Love’s top downloaded episodes of all time. Jen and Amy chat about their favorite Jennifer Garner projects and how impressed they are with her activism and philanthropic work.

In the interview itself, Jennifer Garner shares how she navigates life as a mom, an entrepreneur, and an actress. So many of us have followed Jen's career through TV & film, but she takes us back to the early days when she fell in love with theater, doing auditions in New York while she slept on the floor of a friend’s home who offered a place to lay her head. We also find out that her first job was working with Melissa Gilbert (Laura Ingalls of Little House on the Prairie fame) and how that eventually led to working with J.J. Abrams in Felicity, who then cast her in her breakout role as the star of Alias. The two Jens discuss everything from what it’s like to raise kids as they transition from littles to bigs and what eventually drove Jen’s pursuits outside of Hollywood to co-found Once Upon a Farm and become involved with Save the Children.

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“Change is hard. I mean, I have a tendency to, or I did when I was younger, where I leapt into living in New York before I thought about living in New York. And then I leapt into moving to LA, and then had to absorb that, wait a minute, I just left this all. That was a big transition for me, because I didn't realize I had built a community for myself in New York.” - Jennifer Garner

“I hunted down what organization was really doing work in rural America and Save the Children was all over the world. Our whole global goal is to help kids where no one wants to go and where no one's helping them. So we are in Afghanistan, we're always in the middle of the Ebola crisis, we're always in the middle of helping kids as they're leaving Syria. And we're in those refugee camps and we're in disasters, and we are hand in hand with the Red Cross, and just one of the leading organizations helping kids in the whole world. And in the US, the work is so beautiful. And it's almost unknown, because we're in the little tucked away corners.” - Jennifer Garner

“I think food insecurity and poverty in America, it's a little bit invisible, because we want it to be. We choose what we look at. And so, it is, in some ways, easier to look across the globe and see it somewhere else in a country that is so different than ours or with such obvious distinctions. But the food insecurity in America is high, high, high.” - Jen Hatmaker

“You know what I love? I love any community. I just like to be in a community.” - Jennifer Garner

“What is saving my life right now? I mean, I can’t imagine it ever being anything other than girlfriends.” - Jennifer Garner

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Once Upon a Farm - https://onceuponafarmorganics.com/pages/jens-farm

Save the Children - https://bit.ly/4dnOuHM

13 Going on 30 - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337563/

The Last Thing He Told Me - https://bit.ly/4d9wEbK

Love, Simon - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5164432/

Guest’s Links:

Jennifer’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jennifer.garner/?hl=en

Jennifer’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/thejengar ...

How Positivity Goes Toxic with Kate Bowler Aug 14, 2024

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Jen and her longtime friend, Amy Hardin, are back together to introduce this interview with Kate Bowler that originally aired as a premium channel episode. They examine the ways a “toxic positivity” mindset and a misguided understanding of “blessings” can harm relationships and culture.

If you’ve ever felt your soul drag to the ground after reading a #blessed post on Instagram, there’s relief for you here. Kate Bowler shows us a gentler way to look at the concept of blessings, so that someone else’s #blessing doesn’t feel like our #fail.

In the interview, Jen and Kate talk about:

A brief history of the prosperity gospel in America and the origins of toxic positivity
The original definition of “blessing” from the Bible
The absurdity of life and how tragedy can feel when watching other people’s happiness
What the point of praying is
Kate tries out being a late night radio DJ and shares a blessing she wrote specifically for our podcast

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“[Toxic positivity] is the overemphasis, the bright siding of truth to the point where you can't be honest. You can't really say what's going on.” - Kate Bowler

“There is frankly almost no relationship between people's lives working out and whether they are fundamentally good and lovable by God among other people, period.” - Kate Bowler

“I was in a waiting room the other day looking over at two people absolutely cracking each other up over an oxygen machine. And I felt the flicker of the tragic comedy of the world, and I was like, ‘Yep, that is a little blessing.’” - Kate Bowler

“Such a weird moment when your life is in tatters and then you just see somebody walking their dog. You're like, ‘What are you doing? How is that happening? Why are you laughing?’” - Jen Hatmaker

“The more we take what we think we know, and then we just rearrange it a bit, it offers us a chance to see something.” - Kate Bowler

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Blessed: A History of the American Prosperity Gospel by Kate Bowler - https://bit.ly/46ynpPX

The Lives We Actually Have, 100 Blessings for Imperfect Days by Kate Bowler- https://bit.ly/4ftQOie

Everything Happens for a Reason and Other Lies I've Loved by Kate Bowler -

https://bit.ly/46DRopS

For the Love episode with Maggie Smith - https://bit.ly/4fwTfR4

Have a Beautiful Terrible Day by Kate Bowler - https://bit.ly/4cdiS6T

Guest’s Links:

Kate’s Website: https://katebowler.com/

Kate’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/katecbowler

Kate’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katecbowler/

Kate’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/katecbowler

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook...

[BONUS] Jen Hatmaker Book Club ft. Wisdom of Your Body by Hillary McBride Aug 09, 2024

Show notes

And what better way to get to know Amy and Jen together all over again than to bring on an Enneagram personality typing expert to give the nod to their beautiful partnership.

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

For the Love of The Enneagram - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-27/

For the Love Episode on Enneagram Fours ft. Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3Aa6oPU

Jen Hatmaker Book Club Podcast Episode ft. Hillary McBride - https://bit.ly/3AvW4lL

For the Love Encore Episode ft. Bessel van Der Kolk - https://bit.ly/3YzyRcg

The Story of You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/46FWbam

The Fix It by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3WzFYyK

The Road Back to You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/4dejnPf

The Last Blockbuster - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8704802/

Find out your Enneagram type here:

Crime Junkies Host Ashley Flowers on True Crime, Activism, and Becoming a Novelist Aug 07, 2024

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As part of our summer series of re-airing the best of “For the Love,” we also have Jen’s long time friend, Amy Hardin, joining Jen to introduce this episode that was originally aired on the premium channel. In this new episode, we’ll hear about Jen and Amy’s summer so far and what constitutes guilty pleasure TV binges.

True crime might be considered a guilty pleasure, but if you haven’t done a deep dive into the genre, then this will be an eye opening conversation for you. We’ve got an amazing guest who is here to talk about the true crime podcast phenomenon, and she’s one of the folks that really put it on the map — Ashley Flowers, the host of the wildly popular podcast, Crime Junkies.

Ashley Flowers and her co-host Brit have spent years researching, analyzing, and solving cases. And with over 1 billion downloads, it’s easy to say they are pretty good at what they do. Jen and Ashley get into how Crime Junkies got started, their thoughts on why the true crime genre is so popular and how Ashely’s using the platform to educate as well as entertain.

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“I was looking for something specific, and the way we tell the stories was all based on me as the fan, not coming into a genre and being like, ‘It's popular. What can I do to make it successful?’ It was, ‘What would I really care about?’ And I think that's been the success of this show, as it comes from such a genuine place.” – Ashley Flowers

“I founded a nonprofit called Season of Justice that's all about funding testing for law enforcement. We pay the labs directly so we can do this advanced testing. Because I found in my work and the more I talk to families, the more I talk to law enforcement, one of the barriers over and over again was just finances. And that's where I was like, ‘I can fix that.’" – Ashley Flowers

“If you're truly invested in the community, there are so many different ways you can get involved and use your own talents to make a real difference and help solve these cases. I'm a storyteller, I'm a business owner, and now I'm solving murders.” – Ashley Flowers

Guest’s Links:

All Good People Here by Ashley Flowers - https://www.amazon.com/All-Good-People-Here-Novel/dp/0593496477

Ashley’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ashleyflowers/?hl=en

Crime Junkie’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/crimejunkiepodcast/?hl=en

Season of Justice - https://seasonofjustice.org

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://Jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/Jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/JenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/Jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy.

Four Eyes Media: https://www.iiiimedia.com/

Kelly Corrigan Wonders Preview Episode - Going Deep with Mónica Guzmán on Making Family Work Aug 02, 2024

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Móni Guzmán came to the US from Mexico with her family many decades ago. In the past two presidential elections, her parents voted for Trump while she voted for Clinton and Biden. This created the kind of tension that must be managed very carefully. Fortunately, and relatedly, Móni has professional experience with difficult conversations in her capacity as a senior fellow at Braver Angels. We lean heavily on the ideas in Móni’s book, I Never Thought of It That Way, in this episode and throughout our 5-part series on getting along: Rupture + Repair.

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