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    fiction/non/fiction

    Hosted by Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan, fiction/non/fiction interprets current events through the lens of literature, and features conversations with writers of all stripes, from novelists and poets to journalists and essayists.

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    S7 Ep. 25: Ivy Pochoda on Iowa Basketball Star Caitlin Clark and Women Athletes in Popular Culture Mar 21, 2024
    Show notes

    Following a record-smashing performance by University of Iowa basketball star Caitlin Clark, now the all-time leading scorer in NCAA Division I basketball, novelist and former professional squash player Ivy Pochoda joins host V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk about portrayals of women athletes in media, literature, and film. Pochoda considers the gender binary that continues to divide most sports and how athletes from Serena Williams to Lynette Woodard to Clark have been treated differently due to systemic bias. She discusses the lack of adult literary fiction featuring women athletes, as well as her new favorite novel in this category, the Booker-nominated Western Lane. Pochoda also reflects on how her athletic training helps her as a writer and reads an excerpt from a middle grade fantasy book she wrote with Kobe Bryant, Epoca: The Tree of Ecrof, in which sports play a central role.

    To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/

    This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.

    Ivy Pochoda

    • Sing Her Down
    • These Women
    • Wonder Valley
    • Visitation Street
    • Epoca: The Tree of Ecrof(with Kobe Bryant)


    Others:

    • “Caitlin Clark's record-setting night fuels No. 6 Iowa in 108-60 win at Minnesota,” by Marielle Mohs |CBS News
    • “Fox Sports to Feature Caitlin Clark Solo Camera on Tiktok for Iowa-Maryland Game,” by Tim Capurso | Sports Illustrated
    • “We did not help build women’s tennis for it to be exploited by Saudi Arabia,” by Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova |The Washington Post
    • “Caitlin Clark passes Lynette Woodard for major-college record,” by Michael Voepel | ESPN
    • Nyad |Official Trailer
    • A League of Their Own | Official Trailer
    • “‘Western Lane’ Finds Solace From Grief on the Squash Court,” by Ivy Pochoda |The New York Times
    • Western Lane by Chetna Maroo
    • "In This Satire, Televised Blood Baths Offer Prisoners a Path to Freedom|You can’t applaud Nana Kwame Adjei-Brenyah’s thrilling debut novel, 'Chain-Gang All-Stars,' without getting blood on your hands." by Giri Nathan, April 28, 2023 | The New York Times
    • Borg vs. McEnroe | Official Trailer
    • "R. R. Knudson, a Writer Whose Subject Was Sports, Dies at 75," by Dennis Hevesi, May 10, 2008 | The New York Times
    • Ghost by Jason Reynolds
    • The President’s Daughter by Ellen Emerson White

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    S7 Ep. 24: Lessons for Survival: Emily Raboteau on Mothering and Climate Change Mar 14, 2024
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    Writer Emily Raboteau joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk about mothering in the face of climate change and systemic inequality. Raboteau discusses the difference between “resilience” and “trauma-informed growth,” and considers which one more realistically describes how people react to devastation. She also reflects on writing about Indigenous communities and histories, developing language to capture shifting environmental realities, and the intersections of climate and racial justice. Finally, she explains the influence of her late father, Albert Raboteau, a groundbreaking professor of African American religion, on her community-minded approach to these topics. She reads from Lessons for Survival, her new collection of essays about care and mothering in the climate crisis.

    To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/

    This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.


    Emily Raboteau

    • Lessons for Survival: Mothering Against “the Apocalypse”
    • Searching for Zion: The Quest for Home in the African Diaspora
    • The Professor’s Daughter
    • “Climate Signs”|The New York Review of Books, February 1, 2019
    • “Lessons in Survival”|The New York Review of Books, November 21, 2019
    • “The Unequal Racial Burdens of Rising Seas”|The New York Times, April 10, 2023
    • “Gutbucket”|Orion Magazine


    Others:

    • Fiction/Non/Fiction: Season 2, Episode 15: “Emily Raboteau and Omar El Akkad Tell a Different Kind of Climate Change Story”
    • “Special Report: Global Warming of 1.5 ºC”|Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, October 2018
    • “UN Says Climate Genocide Is Coming. It’s Actually Worse Than That” by David Wallace-Wells|New York Magazine, October 10, 2018
    • The Uninhabitable Earth: Life After Warming by David Wallace-Wells
    • “Young Readers Ask: The Uninhabitable Earth by David Wallace-Wells” by Geronimo Lavalle|Orion Magazine, April 9, 2019
    • “In Pictures: New York Under a Haze of Wildfire Smoke|Le Monde, June 7, 2023
    • Rising: Dispatches from the New American Shore by Elizabeth Rush
    • “Why Indonesia Is Shifting Its Capital From Jakarta”|Bloomberg, August 24, 2019
    • “Sea Level Rise and Implications for Low-Lying Islands, Coasts and Communities”|Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, September 2019
    • “Managed Retreat through Voluntary Buyouts of Flood-Prone Properties” by Katherine J. Mach et. al.|Science Advances, October 9, 2019
    • “Climate Change Isn’t the First Existential Threat” by Mary Annaïse Heglar|ZORA, February 18, 2019
    • Anya Kamenetz
    • “‘Culture Will Be Eroded’: Climate Crisis Threatens to Flood Harriet Tubman Park”|The Guardian, November 23, 2019
    • Charleston: Race, Water, and the Coming Storm by Susan Crawford and Annette Gordon-Reed
    • Justin Brice Guariglia
    • Albert Raboteau
    • Slave Religion: The "Invisible Institution" in the Antebellum South by Albert Raboteau

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    S7 Ep. 23: Alabama’s Embryos: Briallen Hopper on the Personal and Political Consequences of the New IVF Court Decision Mar 07, 2024
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    Writer Briallen Hopper joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk about in vitro fertilization and the recent Alabama State Supreme Court ruling declaring that frozen embryos have the same rights as children. Hopper speaks about the science and thought behind freezing embryos versus eggs, as well as the religious language embedded in the court’s decision. She reads an excerpt from a 2019 Washington Post essay about her choice to freeze embryos as a single person and reflects on repeating the process later, with a partner.

    To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/

    This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.

    Briallen Hopper

    • Hard to Love: Essays and Confessions
    • Gilead Reread (forthcoming, Columbia University Press)
    • “Single Women Looking to Extend their Fertility Usually Freeze Eggs. I Froze Embryos.”|Washington Post, May 10th, 2019


    Others:

    • James LePage, et al. v. The Center for Reproductive Medicine and Mobile Infirmary Association | Supreme Court of Alabama
    • The Human Life Protection Act | Alabama - May 15, 2019
    • Tammy Duckworth | Access to Family Building Act
    • Dobbs |The Supreme Court- June 24, 2022
    • The Radical Freedom Of IVF by Krys Malcolm Belc, Romper

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    S7 Ep. 22: Hit ’Em Where It Hurts: Rachel Bitecofer on Democratic Strategies to Counter Republicans in the 2024 Election Feb 29, 2024
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    Rachel Bitecofer, author of the new book Hit ’Em Where It Hurts: How to Save Democracy by Beating Republicans at Their Own Game, joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk shop about the election strategies Democrats should implement to combat Republicans and prevent fascism. Bitecofer discusses how Republicans use “negative partisanship” to win elections by slamming Democrats as a whole, and argues that Democrats must turn the tables and attack the GOP’s now-extremist brand, which poses an urgent threat to Americans. Bitecofer reads from a section of Hit ’Em Where it Hurts that describes what it means to “wedge” an issue, and talks about how Democrats can do this.

    To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/

    This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.

    Rachel Bitecofer

    • Hit ’Em Where It Hurts: How to Save Democracy by Beating Republicans at Their Own Game, with Aaron Murphy


    Others:

    • Dobbs |The Supreme Court
    • State of the Union Address 2023
    • Project 2025: Presidential Transition Project
    • Stephen Miller(Southern Poverty Law Center)
    • "At CPAC, Stephen Miller Describes His Plan to Round Up Migrants into Camps and Deport Them" | MediaMatters for America
    • "The Benghazi Timeline, Clinton Edition” by Eugene Kiely, June 30, 2016 | factcheck.org
    • Hur Report | The Justice Department
    • "Trump vows to end birthright citizenship for children of immigrants in US illegally" by Ted Hesson | Reuters

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    S7 Ep. 21: The Road From Belhaven: Margot Livesey and What Literature Can Tell Us About The Future Feb 22, 2024
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    As the 2024 Presidential race heats up, award-winning fiction writer Margot Livesey joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss the value of seeing the future in politics and in family life. Are the polls right? Will Donald Trump beat President Joe Biden in the November election? Livesey talks about the role predictions play in our political landscape and in her new novel, The Road from Belhaven, in which a young woman named Lizzie Craig, raised by her grandparents in 19th century Scotland, has the gift of second sight. Livesey discusses the ways that literature has handled the concept of “seeing the future” over time, including the role second sight plays in Macbeth. She reads from her novel.

    To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/

    This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.

    Margot Livesey

    • The Road From Belhaven
    • The Boy in the Field
    • Homework
    • Eva Moves The Furniture
    • The Flight of Gemma Hardy


    Others

    • Daniel Deronda by George Eliot
    • Fiction/Non/Fiction: Season 3, Episode 24: “Summer Books Extravaganza: Margot Livesey and Jaswinder Bolina on Beach Reading When the Beach is Closed”
    • Fiction/Non/Fiction: Season 5, Episode 35: "Boris Johnson: Margot Livesey on British Politics, the Brexit Blunder, and the Prime Minister’s Lies"
    • No Great Mischief by Alistair MacLeod
    • The Thirty-Nine Steps by John Buchan
    • Till We Have Faces by C.S. Lewis
    • Macbeth by William Shakespeare
    • Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
    • Gravity’s Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon
    • L.M. Montgomery

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    S7 Ep. 20: ‘They Want What We Have’: Matt Gallagher on Supporting Ukrainians' Struggle for Liberation Feb 15, 2024
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    Two years after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, novelist, journalist, and veteran Matt Gallagher joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss the current state of the Russo-Ukrainian war and why the country desperately needs the emergency aid in a bill currently under consideration in Congress. Gallagher, whose new novel Daybreak is set in Ukraine, weighs in on where the U.S. stands on the war by comparing it to military conflicts of the past, from World War II to more recent involvements in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan. He also reflects on how reporting and training civilians in Ukraine influenced Daybreak, in which an Army veteran explores his own motivations for aiding the country’s fight for freedom as well as the flawed, messy realities of war. He reads from the novel.

    To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/

    This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.

    Matt Gallagher

    • Daybreak
    • Empire City
    • Youngblood
    • “This is no time to give up on Ukraine” by Matt Gallagher | Boston Globe
    • “There Are Only Two Options Left in Ukraine” by Matt Gallagher | Esquire, Nov. 20, 2023
    • “The Secret Weapons of Ukraine” by Matt Gallagher | Esquire, Feb. 23, 2023
    • “My Advice for American Veterans Who Want to Get On a Plane to Ukraine” by Matt Gallagher | The New York Times, April 10, 2022
    • “Notes from Lviv” by Matt Gallagher | Esquire, March 31, 2022


    Others:

    • “Ukraine is resorting to attacking Russia with small drones because it's running out of artillery ammunition” by Tom Porter | Business Insider
    • “Ukraine and Israel Aid Bill Inches Ahead as Divided G.O.P. Demands Changes” by Karoun Demirjian | The New York Times, 2024
    • The Forever War by Joe Haldeman
    • The Forever War by Dexter Wilkins
    • “What Should a War Movie Do?” by Whitney Terrell | The New Republic, Nov. 21, 2016
    • Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 1, Episode 1: The Art of Taking a Knee: Colin Kaepernick Edition
    • Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 4, Episode 13: Cancellation or Consequences? Meredith Talusan and Matt Gallagher on Accountability in Literature
    • Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 5, Episode 9: Anton Troianovski and Marci Shore on a Possible Russian Invasion of Ukraine
    • Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 2: How Dostoevsky’s Classic Has Shaped Russia’s War in Ukraine, with Explaining Ukraine’s Tetyana Ogarkova and Volodymyr Yermolenko
    • Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 51: Tetyana Ogarkova and Volodymyr Yermolenko on How Artists Are Responding to the War in Ukraine



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    S7 Ep. 19: American Fiction: Jacinda Townsend and James Bernard Short on the Joy, Pathos, and Complexity of Black Experience in the Oscar-Nominated Film Feb 08, 2024
    Show notes

    Novelist Jacinda Townsend and writer James Bernard Short join co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk about the movie American Fiction, which is based on the novel Erasure by Percival Everett. Townsend and Short discuss how the film addresses race in the publishing industry via its central character, Black author Thelonious “Monk” Ellison, who tries to make an ironic point by writing a book exploiting Black stereotypes and finds, to his dismay, that it’s received in earnest and a bestseller. Townsend and Short analyze director Cord Jefferson’s approach and the film’s themes of family dysfunction, freedom in storytelling, and the importance of portraying the complexity of Black lives.


    To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/


    This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.


    Jacinda Townsend

    • Mother Country
    • Saint Monkey


    James Bernard Short

    • “Aqua Boogie” | Blood Orange Review
    • “Rootwork” | Blood Orange Review
    • “Flash, Back: Langston Hughes’ The Simple Shorts” | SmokeLong Quarterly


    Others:

    • American Fiction (movie) | Official Trailer
    • Erasure by Percival Everett
    • An American Marriage by Tayari Jones
    • Harlem Shuffle by Colson Whitehead
    • Sag Harbor by Colson Whitehead
    • Salvage the Bones by Jesmyn Ward
    • The Color Purple by Alice Walker
    • Thelonious Monk
    • Ralph Ellison
    • Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison
    • “The Little Man at Chehaw Station” by Ralph Ellison | The American Scholar, 1978
    • The Tuskegee Institute
    • White Negroes by Lauren Michele Jackson
    • “The White Negro” by Norman Mailer | Dissent, 1957
    • “Dragon Slayers” by Jerald Walker | The Iowa Review, 2006
    • “The Hidden Lesson of ‘American Fiction’” by John McWhorter | The New York Times
    • Origin (movie) | Official Trailer
    • Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 1, Episode 11, “Annihilation, Adaptation: What's It Really Like to Have Your Book Made Into a Movie”
    • Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 2, Episode 11, “Brit Bennett and Emily Halpern on Screenwriting’s Tips for Fiction”
    • Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 33, “The Stakes of the Writers’ Strike: Benjamin Percy on the WGA Walkout, Streaming, and the Survival of Screenwriting”
    • Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 38, “Jacinda Townsend on Why Democrats Are Skeptical of President Biden—and How He Can Win Them Back”

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    S7 Ep. 18: AWP 2024 Preview: Glenn North on Kansas City’s Jazz, Poetry, and Barbeque Feb 01, 2024
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    With AWP’s annual conference headed to Kansas City next week, poet and activist Glenn North joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to tell incoming writers where to find the best food and coolest hangouts in the city. North discusses Kansas City’s diversity, its history of racial covenants, and its newly rejuvenated Crossroads Arts District, which is near the convention site. North and Terrell, who also lives in Kansas City, highlight a variety of spots to check out, including the Green Lady Lounge, Swordfish Tom’s, The Blue Room, the American Jazz Museum, and Kansas City’s not-to-miss barbeque scene. North reads his poem, “Harmony on the Vine,” about the 18th & Vine Historic Jazz District, where he is the current poet laureate, as well as an excerpt from his poem for the 25th anniversary of the American Jazz Museum.

    To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/


    This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.


    Glenn North

    • City of Song
    • Check Cashing Day
    • Love, Loss, and Violence: A Visual Dialogue on War


    Others:

    • American Jazz Museum
    • Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art
    • Kansas City Museum
    • The Arabia Steamboat Museum
    • World War I Museum
    • Union Station
    • Kansas City Public Library
    • BLK + BRWN
    • Bliss Books & Wine
    • Rainy Day Books
    • Wise Blood Booksellers
    • Writer’s Place
    • Green Lady Lounge
    • Afterword
    • The Mutual Musicians Foundation
    • 21c
    • Corvino
    • Farina
    • Extra Virgin
    • Anton’s
    • Soriée
    • Lulu’s
    • Jarocho
    • Prime Social
    • Earl’s Premier
    • River Market
    • Country Club Plaza
    • Gates Bar-B-Q
    • Jack Stack Barbeque
    • Bryant’s Barbeque
    • Joe’s Kansas City Bar-B-Que
    • Q39
    • LC’s Bar-B-Q


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    S7 Ep. 17: ‘What is History?’: Ed Park on Korea’s Past, Real and Imagined Jan 25, 2024
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    Novelist Ed Park joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to discuss the role of alternate histories and counternarratives in popular culture, public record, and the general consciousness, via his new novel, Same Bed Different Dreams. Park talks about depicting and reimagining well known events and eras, including the Japanese occupation of Korea between 1910-1945; Korean resistance to that occupation in the form of the Korean Provisional Government; the post-World War II division of Korea into North and South, which became sovereign nations in 1948; and the Korean War, which lasted from 1950 to until 1953. He reflects on writing about more recent history, as well as his hometown of Buffalo, New York. The conversation suggests that positive alternate timelines, like the one Park creates, invite readers to learn more about actual events, whereas a more pernicious spin on the past may edit for the benefit of a particular group. Park reads from the novel.

    To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/

    This episode of the podcast was produced by Anne Kniggendorf.

    Ed Park

    • Same Bed Different Dreams
    • Personal Days
    • Weird Menace


    Others:

    • Charlie Kaufman
    • Philip Roth
    • Richard E. Kim
    • Jack London on Korea
    • Thomas Pynchon
    • BTS

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    S7 Ep. 16: Former Biden Speechwriter Nate Rawlings on Claudine Gay, Neil Gorsuch, and the Politics of Plagiarism Jan 18, 2024
    Show notes

    Journalist Nate Rawlings, who spent a stint as a speechwriter for then-Vice President Joe Biden, joins co-hosts Whitney Terrell and V.V. Ganeshananthan to talk about the politics (and nuances) of plagiarism. Rawlings discusses how plagiarism accusations derailed Joe Biden’s presidential run in 1987. He examines how the right-wing activist-led plagiarism accusations against former Harvard President Claudine Gay fit into the context of prior plagiarism scandals, and considers the possibility that new technologies like AI will intensify future politically motivated attacks. He also reflects on why some plagiarism allegations stick and shift opinion, and others don’t.

    To hear the full episode, subscribe through iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app (include the forward slashes when searching). You can also listen by streaming from the player below. Check out video versions of our interviews on the Fiction/Non/Fiction Instagram account, the Fiction/Non/Fiction YouTube Channel, and our show website: https://www.fnfpodcast.net/

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    Nate Rawlings

    Nate Rawlings | TIME.com

    Others:

    "The North’s Jim Crow" by Andrew W. Kahrl|The New York Times,May 27, 2018

    "How We Squeezed Harvard to Push Claudine Gay Out" by Christopher Rufo | Wall Street Journal

    Grace: President Obama and Ten Days in the Battle for America by Cody Keenan

    What It Takes: The Way to the White House by Richard Ben Cramer

    "Plagiarism charges downed Harvard’s president. A conservative attack helped to fan the outrage" by Collin Binkley and Moriah Balingit | AP

    Elise Stefanik

    Claudine Gay

    “Echoes of Biden’s 1987 plagiarism scandal continue to reverberate” by Neena Satija | The Washington Post, June 5, 2019

    Democratic Primary Debate, August 23, 1987

    Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 46, “Samuel G. Freedman on What Hubert Humphrey’s Fight for Civil Rights Can Teach Us Today”

    Fiction/Non/Fiction Season 6, Episode 16, “Chatbot vs. Writer: Vauhini Vara on the Perils and Possibilities of Artificial Intelligence”

    Nadia Schadlow, Small Wars Journal

    Peggy Noonan

    “Boys of Pont du Hoc” speech by Peggy Noonan for Ronald Reagan, June 6, 1984

    “I see the boys of summer,” by Dylan Thomas

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