Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

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Interview | Enneagram & Spirituality with Nhien Vuong Dec 17, 2020

Show notes

In this episode, we talk with enneagram teacher and ordained unity minister Rev. Nhien Vuong. Nhien is a dynamic and thoughtful teacher and helps us see the ways in which we “bond through pain is we show up the right way.” Soak in her wisdom and be sure to check out her work!

Nhien’s story first encountering the enneagram [5:40]
The importance of being kind to yourself [9:00]
Nhien’s journey to self-compassion [10:05]
How Nhien uses the enneagram in her work [15:00]
Nhien uses Drew’s book in her work! [17:30]
Why Nhien refers to some of her work as “spiritual tutoring” [20:15]
On “bonding through pain is we show up the right way…”[22:45]
On the significance of her company’s name, Evolving Enneagram…[28:45]
The importance of being safe in learning communities [33:00]
4s, 6s, 8s and their emotional realness [36:15]
Nhien’s definition of spirituality [39:10]
“We are spiritual beings having a human experience.”-de Chardin [44:45]
Sin vs. goodness [47:00]
Preaching what we practice [50:15]
Compassionately looking at your type [52:25]

Follow Nhien’s work: www.evolvingenneagram.com | Social media: @evolvingenneagram

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

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Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “fcpchristmas” for a 20% discount!]

Fathom 15 | Enneagram Elevator Pitch Dec 10, 2020

Show notes

What if you were a). on an elevator, b). Someone you deeply admire and have always wanted to talked to joins you and c). Turns to you and asks, “What is the enneagram?”….what would you say? The Seths and Drew gave their attempts at their enneagram elevator pitches.

Drew’s first attempt-“A framework of 9 pilgrimages of personhood…” [2:10]
Creek-“9 Different ways we are falling asleep…” [2:40]
Abram-“Ancient wisdom with modern psychology…” [3:55]
Abram-9 variation of the divine…” [5:20]
Drew-“9 psycho-spiritual strategies” [5:55]
Remember Leslie Hershberger “it’s both your obstacle and your opening to love…” [7:28]
When the enneagram comes up at parties [8:52]
The best conversations about the enneagram aren’t about the enneagram [10:10]
Not about the external…but internal practice [11:00]
“Your type shows up when you don’t”—Russ Hudson [12:14]
What to do if you can’t stop talking about the enneagram [13:30]

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

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Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “fcpchristmas” for a 20% discount!]

Seth Creekmore (574) 361-0019 creekmoremusic@gmail.com

Interview | Narcissism & the Enneagram with Chuck DeGroat Dec 03, 2020

Show notes

Greetings all you raging narcissists! In this episode of Fathoms, Drew and the Seths are joined by author, professor, counselor, and spiritual director Dr. Chuck DeGroat. We talk about his book, When Narcissism Comes to Church, which expands our stereotypical notions of narcissistic leaders through the lens of the enneagram.

Abram quotes Russ Hudson re: coddling our own narcissism [3:12]
The highlight of Chuck’s career [4:02]
When Chuck received the enneagram into his heart [6:15]
About Chuck’s book, When Narcissism Comes to Church [8:00]
Chuck’s definition of narcissism [9:35]
On Narcissistic Personality Disorder [11:45]
Narcissistic style, type, and disorder [12:40]
Narcissism and success [14:55]
Epigenetics [15:33]
The difference between acting narcissistic and being a narcissist [16:30]
Having spiritual authority vs. being spiritually abusive [18:00]
The nine faces of narcissism [19:00]
The gift of healthy narcissism and original goodness [22:30]
Narcissism and the enneagram triads [26:00]
The concept of “splitting” and the path to transformation [30:25]
The importance of shadow work [33:00]
How we can use our narcissism to work towards healing and wholeness [34:47]
Co-dependence and narcissism [38:15]
Re: toxic positivity and toxic negativity [40:10]

Follow Chuck’s work at www.chuckdegroat.net.

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

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Meditation | Grateful Presence Nov 26, 2020

Show notes

Creek & Abram have a quick conversation about how to practically apply the things we talk about in the previous Thanksgiving episode (check your podcast feed). Creek then leads us in a meditation that no matter where you are, is exactly what you need.

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

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Fathom 15 | The Work of Thanksgiving Nov 26, 2020

Show notes

In this Fathom 15, the guys provide a timely conversation for those celebrating Thanksgiving in the U.S. Holidays with family can be uniquely stressful, even more so amid a global pandemic. We hope this short episode helps you get through the day. If you need a break from the political debate, go find a quiet room and have a listen.

On our own experiences around the Thanksgiving table [1:35]
2 tools to help you through today: 1. Transcending and Including & 2. Family Systems Theory [3:40]
Going home can be a liminal space [6:40]
What we should do with tension [8:15]
The false binary of family debates [10:43]
Keep the long game in mind [12:20]
The importance of humility [13:00]
The difference between allowing and accepting [13:30]
Working towards a both/and [15:00]
On Fr. Rohr’s concept of image and likeness [16:30]
Encountering others and honoring the Imago Dei within [17:50]
Still set appropriate boundaries [18:45]
Check out our Season 1 Episode on Conflict Styles [21:40]
- https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/conversation-conflict-styles/id1508239925?i=1000486643264

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

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Fathom 15 | The Depth We Need Nov 19, 2020

Show notes

In this Fathom 15, the Seths and Drew explore this season’s guiding question: “What is your unique contribution to the enneagram conversation that provides the depth we need in our present world?”

How this question is used in Season 2 [2:04]
How the enneagram helps us see ourselves and how it helps us see the world [2:46]
Solitary work that cannot be done alone [4:45]
If you don’t tell the truth about yourself, you can’t tell it about other people [5:30]
The enneagram and our post-truth age [7:15]
Our patterned centers of intelligence vs. reality [9:39]
What Abram did (and regrets) early in his marriage [10:55]
A practical half step to reverse engineering your enneagram type structure [12:32]
The importance of community [14:20]
Our type’s gifts and barriers [16:15]
Our world NEEDS our internal work to have external implications [17:23]

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

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Interview | Cultivating Open-Heartedness with Nan Henson Nov 12, 2020

Show notes

Drew and the Seths interview their teacher, the one and only Nan Henson. Nan is a master enneagram teacher based in Atlanta, Georgia. She’s one of a select few of Enneagram Institute authorized teachers in the world. Nan is the founder of Enneagram Atlanta and co-founder of Enneagram Georgia. And you’ll want to stick around to the end of this episode, because Nan leads us through a brief and powerful meditation exercise.

How Nan is continuing her enneagram teaching amid COVID-19 [3:20]
Nan’s enneagram origin story [4:41]
How long it took Nan to feel confident in her enneagram teaching [9:02]
Advice for stepping into something bigger than yourself [9:45]
As a Type 2, how Nan has learned to live from a more authentic sense of self [11:00]
Living in the heart [14:00]
How to cultivate the capacity for presence [16:45]
The difference between merely eliminating distraction and cultivating presence amid distraction [21:08]
How each enneagram type loses presence [22:45]
On the fear of living from a more authentic self [29:30]
Nan-wisdom on healing the heart [33:00]
The power of repeating questions practices to access the heart [37:10]
Relatedness vs. relationship [39:00]
Supporting others in their inner work [41:00]
Where to find Nan and a bit about her certification program [43:45]
Nan leads us through a closing meditation [46:45]

Follow Nan:

www.enneagramatlanta.com [Nan’s workshops]
www.enneagramgeorgia.com [Nan’s certification program with Lynda Roberts]
Instagram: @ennegramatlanta

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

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Conversation | Season 2 Introduction Nov 05, 2020

Show notes

Conversation | Season 2 Introduction

Drew and the Seths spent a weekend at a cabin in the woods plotting and scheming their second season of Fathoms. They recorded a conversation to share what’s in store . . .

An update on Creek & Drew’s quest to get Abram to move back to Indiana [0:25]
The guys talk about their favorite moments from Season 1 [1:21]
A confession: This is the first time all three co-hosts have been in the same physical location at the same time [4:10]
Where Season 2 is headed: SEASON 2 THEME! [6:15]
How they hope to share the mic this season [10:50]
Possible topics for Season 2 [12:30]
The guiding question for each episode of Season 2 [14:37]
What we “need” from enneagram wisdom right now. [16:40]
Levi Strauss - “Humanity ends at the borders of a tribe” [19:30]
Tribalism in the enneagram community [20:54]
Our need for individual and collective healing [22:28]
“Why you gotta make it weird?” [25:25]

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

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Fathoms | Season 2 Trailer Nov 03, 2020

Show notes

We are so excited to share Season 2 with you, complete with some of our favorite conversations and guests. Our first full length episode drops THIS THURSDAY, November 5, with new content every week through March 2021. Don’t forget to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode!

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Music: “Mending” by Kazi Jay

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers
Follow Kazi: @kazi.jay

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Finale | Season 1 Q & A Aug 06, 2020

Show notes

To wrap up Fathoms’ first season, Abram, Creek, and Drew answer your questions! They cover a LOT of enneagram ground in this episode, and they call on some brilliant friends (and familiar voices to Fathoms listeners) to help. Thanks so much for listening. Stay in touch, and stay tuned for next season!

“Navigating our inner depths…one fathom at a time.”

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Editing/Production: Seth Creekmore

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