Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Latest Episodes:

Interview | The Trance of Type with Tom Condon (Part 2) Feb 25, 2021

Show notes

As promised, here’s Part 2 of our conversation with enneagram LEGEND Tom Condon. We said it before and we’ll say it again: If you’re serious about enneagram work, you need to know Tom Condon’s enneagram work. In this episode we dig into some of the depths of each enneagram type. Enjoy!

The hypnotic “trance” of our type [0:55]
Age regression and age progression [6:15]
Trances and group dynamics [11:00]
Creek asks Tom to tell a joke…and it’s glorious [22:15]
How the enneagram community has changed and evolved during Tom’s career [23:15]
“The enneagram is easy to learn, difficult to master” [26:30]
Where Tom thinks the enneagram conversation is headed [29:40]
Tom’s initial encounter with the enneagram [36:15]
How to put the past to rest [40:15]
Tom’s experience with courage [43:45]
What Tom’s working on now [46:20]
Tom’s recommendations on learning more about NLP [48:00]

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Ways to find Tom and his work :

Tom’s website: www.thechangeworks.com
Tom’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/changewk

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Interview | The Trance of Type with Tom Condon (Part 1) Feb 18, 2021

Show notes

In this episode, the Seths and Drew talk with enneagram LEGEND Tom Condon. If you’re serious about enneagram work, you need to know Tom Condon’s enneagram work. There’s so much goodness in our conversation with Tom that we had to divide it up into two episodes. So enjoy Part 1 and stay tuned for Part 2 next week.

Tom’s enneagram origin story [4:40]
Tom’s experience as a dominant Type 6 [6:40]
Bob Newhart and the enneagram [8:35]
Tom’s 4 methods for change [10:15]
On choosing which methods of change to apply [19:00]
“An enneagram style is like . . . “ [21:00]
The “Law” of Secondary Gains [23:05]
Type is like cauterizing a wound . . . [27:20]
Type specific examples [28:55]
RE: trauma and enneagram type [34:55]

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Ways to find Tom and his work :

Tom’s website: www.thechangeworks.org
Tom’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/changewk

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Fathom 15 | Listener Question: Habits & Patterns Feb 11, 2021

Show notes

In this Fathom 15, we talk briefly with one our listeners from “across the pond,” Stephen. Stephen is a dominant Type 8 and had a question for the Fathoms co-hosts: “What role does enneagram type play in habit formation?”

How does the enneagram differ from other typologies when it comes to understanding habits and patterns? [4:15]
Personality and potential [5:55]
Drew explains the origins of “piggybacking” [7:00]
Atomic Habits by James Clear [8:00]
Systems vs. goals [9:15]

Have a question? Send it to us through our instagram account! Our DMs our open.

**If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!**

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Interview | Type as a Verb with Mario Sikora (Part 2) Jan 28, 2021

Show notes

As promised, here is Part 2 with Enneagram teacher and executive coach Mario Sikora. If you missed Part 1, go listen to it and then follow it up with this episode. Mario has some interesting, innovative and, dare we say…controversial (to some) takes on the enneagram. HIs ability to translate some of the deeper concepts of the enneagram to the corporate sector is fascinating. Enjoy!

Distinguishing between Russ Hudson’s instinctual zones and Mario’s zones [0:45]
The Preserving Domain and its subdomains [4:25]
The Navigating Domain and its subdomains [16:45]
A quick plug for Mario’s podcast, The Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast - The Enneagram in a Movie [20:30]
The Transmitting Domain and its subdomains [22:05]
Mario’s Awareness to Action approach to the enneagram [26:00]
Why change is so difficult [33:45]
Mario’s heart space advice for listeners [40:45]
Where to find Mario [45:45]

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Ways to find Mario and his work :

Mario’s books: https://www.amazon.com/Mario-Sikora/e/B072JCJXHS%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share
His website: https://mariosikora.com/

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Interview | Type as a Verb with Mario Sikora (Part 1) Jan 28, 2021

Show notes

Buckle up friends! This is Part 1 of a two-parter with Enneagram teacher and executive coach Mario Sikora. Mario has some interesting, innovative and, dare we say…controversial (to some) takes on the enneagram. HIs ability to translate some of the deeper concepts of the enneagram to the corporate sector is fascinating. Enjoy and stay tuned for Part 2 next week!

Abram sucks up to Mario [3:30]
Mario’s enneagram story and how he uses it in his work [4:45]
Why a lot of enneagram language isn’t suitable for the business world [8:50]
What enneagram ideas tend to create problems in the corporate setting [10:45]
How Mario explores the depths of the enneagram and maintain professional boundaries [14:00]
Mario’s approach to type as “emotional strategy” [18:00]
How Mario’s approach “lands” with clients [23:30]
Each type’s emotional strategy [24:50]
How to work with your type’s strategy [33:10]
“Clarifying the ego” [38:35]
Mario’s unique [heretical?] approach to the instincts [40:00]
Instinctual biases as verbs - [52:05]
The “patterns of expression” for the instinctual domains [55:30]

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Ways to find Mario and his work :

Mario’s books: https://www.amazon.com/Mario-Sikora/e/B072JCJXHS%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share
His website: https://mariosikora.com/

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Fathom 15 | Typing Strategies Jan 21, 2021

Show notes

In this Fathom 15 episode, Drew and the Seths talk about enneagram typing. They cover how they each discovered their type and different typing strategies they recommend. This brief episode is perfect for any struggling to discover their dominant enneagram type. Listen and then go type thyself!

Abram’s typing journey [1:45]
Creek’s typing journey [3:15]
Drew’s typing journey [4:10]
Why for some typing is so difficult [5:45]
Trait language vs. motivational language [10:10]
Our suggestions for typing [11:10]
- Tests [13:00]
- Typing interviews [16:10]
- Reading books [20:18]
- Listening to Sleeping at Last’s enneagram songs [20:45]
- Typing cards [21:15]
Final tips [22:10]

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Interview | Neuroscience & the Enneagram Jan 14, 2021

Show notes

In this episode of Fathoms - An Enneagram Podcast, Creek and Drew talk with enneagram teacher and functional neurologist Dr. Jerome D. Lubbe. Jerome is an enneagram innovator and the author of The Brain-Based Enneagram: You Are Not A Number. We get into some really fun and interesting intersections of science and the enneagram, and also talk about some of Jerome’s innovative ideas with the enneagram. Buckle up, because this episode is FULL of fascinating content.

Jerome’s fascinating story [3:00]
Why Jerome uses the enneagram in his clinical work [5:15]
Why Jerome thinks the enneagram symbol is upside-down [7:20]
The importance of a whole-person approach to the enneagram instead of stereotyping [8:45]
Jerome’s “efficiency” approach to the enneagram types. [12:00]
How Jerome uses the RHETI assessment to develop his Whole Identity profile [15:00]
The pushback Jerome’s received from his unique approach to the enneagram [22:30]
Why Jerome thinks the traditional enneagram symbol is upside down [26:00]
How the enneagram correlates with Executive Function Disorders [30:15]
How do the instincts show up in the brain? [35:30]
What Jerome’s working on right now [40:00]

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Fathom 15 | Personality vs Personhood Jan 07, 2021

Show notes

Fathom 15 | Personality vs. Personhood.

What’s the difference between being a person and having a personality type? In this brief Fathom 15 episode, we talk about it.

We contain multitudes. [2:00]
You have a type. You are not your type.-Russ Hudson [4:35]
Regarding the language we use to describe type [6:30]
Knowing someone’s type doesn’t mean you know that person fully [9:00]
Fractals of type [10:00]
On whether or not we should share what our personality type is with others [14:30]

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Conversation | Grief, Hope, & Kindness with Leslie Hershberger Dec 31, 2020

Show notes

2020 was a dumpster fire, and we walk into 2021 with great expectations. On this New Year’s Eve, we offer to you a powerful conversation about this threshold from one year to the next with our dear friend Leslie Hershberger. It’s tempting to shake off the dust of this past year and never look back. Maybe there’s another way?

How do we honor and integrate our pain and loss from this past year? [1:47]
James Finley: “Love doesn’t save us from suffering. But it does sustain us.” [15:15]
The threshold from 2020 to 2021 [29:50]
Hold the thing that is holding you back [31:50]
How do we look to and dream of the future without being attached to its outcomes? [33:25]
The difference between wise hope and clinging to an outcome [37:00]
How kids are natural mystics [47:00]
Morgan Harper Nichols on giving ourselves grace [50:45]
How do we continue to hold this tension through this new year? [51:30]
Wisdom from the Velveteen Rabbit [54:30]
With intention, live into what matters most in 2021 [56:15]
Not all contradictions are meant to be resolved. [58:30]

Follow Leslie’s work: https://lesliehershberger.com/

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

Conversation | The Advent of Ourselves with Jason Adam Miller Dec 24, 2020

Show notes

Merry Christmas (Eve)! Tonight marks the end of Advent, and tomorrow begins Christmas-time! Enjoy this conversation with friend, pastor, and returning guest Jason Adam Miller of South Bend City Church. He shares with us a profound way to understand Advent in light of who we are…which leads us all to talk about the Advent of Ourselves for each Enneagram Type.

The traditional 3 Advents [1:40]
“It’s true not just because it happened, but because it happens.” [2:40]
The ontology and the experience of Advent. [4:45]
Jason’s theory on Advent and the enneagram [7:00]
Applying Jason’s theory to each enneagram type [15:00]
Did Jason think we applied his theory well? [39:00]

Follow Jason’s: www.southbendcitychurch.com | Social media: @jasonadammiller

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
Follow Drew: @enneagrammers

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Drew’s book: The Enneagram of Discernment | The Way of Vocation, Wisdom, and Practice now available on Amazon or direct from the publisher. [Order direct from www.fallscitypress.com and use code “fcpchristmas” for a 20% discount!]