Stay ConnectedThe Evolution 2.0 Podcast explores the intersection of art, technology, business, biology and spirituality. Discover new trends in evolution that change the way we think about everything. Host Perry Marshall is author of Evolution 2.0 and founded the Evolution 2.0 Technology Prize, a $10 million quest for the missing link between the information age and life itself.
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I met Rev. Prof. Andrew G. Gosler at a dinner at Oxford a few years ago — he's an ornithologist who spent 30 years in the woods studying birds, and he completely lit up the room. He grew up Jewish, ditched religion at his bar mitzvah to go birding, and then decades later, Dawkins' books accidentally pushed him toward Christianity — he was baptized in 2000 and eventually ordained as a priest. Andrew says: "Blue tits don't need to be saved — they're already in heaven. It's only humans that need saving, and we need to be saved from ourselves."
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Anthony Hilb lives with asthma and chronic respiratory issues. In May 2025, he experienced a medical crisis that caused him to briefly lose consciousness and have a near-death experience. In this conversation, Anthony shares what he encountered during those crucial minutes and what the experience has meant to him since. We also explore documented accounts from others who have reported similar experiences at the threshold between life and death.
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Jay Cross interviews me about my new paper, The Reasonable Ineffectiveness of Mathematics in the Biological Sciences (co-authored with Sy Garte and Stuart Kauffman.) Together we explore why “there are no equal signs in biology,” how this revelation redefines medicine as we know it, and the post-computational, post-permission future of healing—with new hope for people facing serious health challenges. Jay is an accomplished direct response copywriter and researcher with great interest in the THIRD TRANSITION in science, and this conversation opens that up in a big way.
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Perry describes a series of life-changing "thin place" experiences that shifted his reality. This was presented to Adam Safron's Sapience group, followed by a guided meditation and a Q&A at the end. A further expansion on these ideas is online at perrymarshall.com/ireland.
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Sy Garte's book, Beyond Evolution, is written for the person who is trying to reconcile their deep yearnings for meaning and significance with the longstanding scientific dogma that nature has no purpose. Not only is the tide shifting dramatically inside of secular science, the new discoveries are connecting gaps between the many factions and divisions within the religious world.
Sy Garte
Email: sygarte@gmail.com [mailto:sygarte@gmail.com]
Website: https://sygarte.com/
Substack: https://sygarte.substack.com/
Pre-order Beyond Evolution on Amazon [https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Evolution-Discoveries-Science-Point/dp/B0DJY6PY7H]
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What happens when researchers from competing scientific worldviews sit down for an honest conversation? In this dialogue, three thinkers—exploring Neo-Darwinism,
Third Way evolution, and Intelligent Design—discover unexpected common ground while respecting disagreements. Denis Noble (Oxford University, Third Way evolution, www.thethirdwayofevolution.com), Casey Luskin (Discovery Institute, Intelligent Design, www.evolutionnews.org), and Perry Marshall (Evolution 2.0, bridge-builder, www.evo2.org) engage in the kind of scientific discourse that's increasingly rare: genuine curiosity about opposing viewpoints without the usual academic tribalism.
This isn't just another evolution debate. It's a case study in how scientists engage across ideological divides to advance understanding. The most profound insights often emerge not from echo chambers, but from healthy tension between opposing ideas. "We don't substitute any certainties whatsoever... let it evolve. Let us find out, let us, for God's sake, be open to what it might be that we discover."
Denis Noble Transcript: https://evo2.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Bridging-Evolution-A-Conversation-Between-Intelligent-Design-and-Third-Way-transcript.pdf
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Andrew Briggs started to write the book Human Flourishing just before COVID and then the world went mad. Since then, the world has gotten even madder and many people are clutching their smartphones, wringing their hands, managing their anxiety, or merely existing. What does it mean to flourish and what do people, relationships, and professions look like and feel like when they flourish?
In this book, authors Andrew Briggs and Michael J. Reiss and painter Roger Wagner weave together a beautiful picture of the material and immaterial, the concrete and the spiritual. Included here is a reproduction of Roger Wagner's painting It Keeps Me Seeking. The original painting hangs in The Auckland Project Faith Museum: https://aucklandproject.org/attraction/faith-museum/
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Derek Dearden from the UK and Perry Marshall discuss how to hold deeply held beliefs while also making space for people with widely differing views.
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Tim Howard interviews me and Sy Garte about our new paper with Stuart Kauffman, The Reasonable Ineffectiveness of Mathematics in the Biological Sciences. Join us for a fascinating discussion about a new revolution underfoot in biology:
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Two of my favorite scientists, Michael Levin and Azra Raza with Aastha Jain Simes, put their heads together in this provocative and touching interview. Azra describes the technology of our new company PredictRX that detects cancer at Stage Negative One.
We do this with a “Stentinel,” (starts at 15 minutes in) a stent with electronic sensors that is implanted in the arm and sense Polyploid Giant Cancer Cells (PGCCs) within 18 days of appearing in a patient.
Azra begins with an unusual definition of cancer and offers a detailed theory of Hybrid Cells based on her 35 years treating patients. This is a heart-gripping conversation. “If you find a single giant cell in a patient who’s in remission, a 2nd cancer is inevitable.”
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