Enneagram 2.0 with Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes

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#TBT S03 E03 - Fooling The Personality Jun 11, 2026

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Due to CP's summer break, we're not having any new episodes, so we hope you enjoy this blast from the past with one of our curated episodes!

We are not our personalities. However, when we are unaware of our lower selves, it’s easy to identify with our personalities. In this episode, Uranio Paes goes through each of the nine types to give examples of how to fool the personality so that we can be free from its hold on us.

Each of the nine Enneagram types has an over-developed Center of Intelligence. Uranio talks about The Fourth Way, an approach to self-development created by George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was the pioneer who brought the Enneagram to the West. He taught that the first way is the way of the body, the second is the way of the heart, and the third is the way of the mind. The Fourth Way is mixing these three Centers of Intelligence so our personality doesn’t control how we react and we can be a more complete human beyond the confines of our personality.

Check out our podcast episodes on Levels of Awareness:

The Enneagram Levels of Awareness Part 1 of 2

https://youtu.be/5FfW5Duma6w

The Enneagram Levels of Awareness Part 2 of 2

https://youtu.be/Ox54PKEhrt4

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S3 Ep25 - How each Enneagram type creates problems in close relationships May 29, 2026

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Due to CP's summer break, we're not having any new episodes, so we hope you enjoy this blast from the past with one of our curated episodes!

By definition, the nine Enneagram personality types are problematic, and issues related to the ego affect close relationships.

It's easy to see how the other person brings problems into a relationship, but it's much harder to see how we bring challenges, too. Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes explain the challenges that each of the nine Enneagram types creates in close relationships.

Bea and Uranio are giving a workshop called Art of Conscious Connection: Healing Through Dialogue in January and February of 2025. Participants will explore how styles of communication can help bridge gaps and help overcome challenges. Reserve your spot today by visiting our event calendar. ⁠https://cpenneagram.com/live-courses⁠

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#TBT S4 Ep6 The Psychological Dimensions of the Instincts May 14, 2026

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This week, due to our retreats happening on full speed, we're reposting one of our #BestOF2025 episodes!

In this episode, we dive deep into the psychological layers of the Enneagram’s three instincts: Self-Preservation, Social, and Sexual. We explore the profound influence of parenting dynamics on the dominant instinct, uncovering how caregivers shape our instinctual survival strategies.

How does a parent’s role reinforce or distort an instinct’s expression? Why do some of us become hyper-independent while others seek belonging at all costs? And what happens when our core needs feel unmet?

Join us as Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes bridge the wisdom of the Enneagram with psychological inquiry.

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S4 EP31 - Deepening your understanding of the Enneagram fixations May 01, 2026

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Today, Uranio Paes speaks about fixations in the Enneagram and deepens the understanding of this essential concept for self-development. In this episode, he explains that fixations are limiting beliefs of the mental center, which arise from the loss of contact with higher ideas and shape the way we think, perceive, and interpret reality.

Urânio shows how each type builds an identity based on these fixations, creating biases, obsessions, and patterns that restrict awareness. He also presents how recognizing and working through these structures is fundamental to breaking identification with the ego and accessing higher levels of perception and presence.

Learn more about Wilder’s work at https://www.wilderheath.com

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Interview with Wilder Heath - S4 EP30 - The Self-Preservation 4: Identity, Envy and Emotional Integration Apr 17, 2026

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Today, Beatrice Chestnut interviews Wilder Heath about his journey with the Enneagram and his experience as a Self-Preservation 4. In this episode, Wilder shares how his path of self-discovery involved testing different types, recognizing patterns of envy, and understanding his tendency to intensely absorb emotions and identities.

Based in Seattle, Washington, Wilder is a psychotherapist, Hakomi therapist, and Enneagram life coach. He has a Master’s Degree in Clinical Psychology with a dual focus in Marriage & Family Therapy and Drama Therapy. He has been a practicing mental health professional for over 10 years and maintains Professional Certification from CP Enneagram Academy.

Learn more about Wilder’s work at https://www.wilderheath.com

Like learning about the Enneagram from Bea and Uranio? Join a community of Enneagram enthusiasts and participate in live monthly webinars and Q&As with Bea and Uranio. Sign up for a FREE trial of CP Online membership at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://learn.cpenneagram.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Want to discover which Enneagram type you could be? Visit our webpage ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://enneagramcompass.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn about the Enneagram test they created, Enneagram Compass.

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Interview With Rita Hovakimian - S4E29 - From Instinct To Awareness: Enneagram, Spirituality and Presence Apr 03, 2026

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Today, Beatrice Chestnut interviews Rita Hovakimian about her journey with the Enneagram and her work in human development. In this episode, Rita shares her path as a self-preservation Type 8, exploring themes such as control, vulnerability, and the role of therapy in the growth process.

The conversation also addresses how to integrate body, emotion, and mind in self-development, as well as the importance of practitioners doing their own inner work. They further explore connections between spirituality, the Enneagram, and ancient wisdom traditions, showing how this path can lead to a deeper and more conscious transformation.

Rita Hovakimian is a leadership advisor with over 30 years of experience partnering with founders to expand how they think, lead, and build organizations that are both human-centered and profitable. She integrates the Enneagram as a practical framework to help leaders understand motivation, navigate team dynamics, and turn insight into clear, effective action.

Through coaching, retreats, and long-term partnerships, she guides leaders in creating aligned cultures, addressing hidden limitations, and driving meaningful, sustainable growth. To learn more about Rita, visit her website

Learn more about Rita’s work: https://inspiringsuccess.com/

Like learning about the Enneagram from Bea and Uranio? Join a community of Enneagram enthusiasts and participate in live monthly webinars and Q&As with Bea and Uranio. Sign up for a FREE trial of CP Online membership at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://learn.cpenneagram.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Want to discover which Enneagram type you could be? Visit our webpage ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://enneagramcompass.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn about the Enneagram test they created, Enneagram Compass.

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Interview with Scott Allender - S4 EP28 - The Enneagram In Emotional Intelligence and Leadership Mar 19, 2026

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Today, Beatrice Chestnut interviews Scott Allender about his personal journey with the Enneagram. In this episode, Scott shares how his life story, an anxiety crisis, and the realization that he is a Type 3 sexual being led him to deepen his self-discovery work.

The conversation explores themes such as emotional disconnection, the importance of self-awareness, and the role of the Enneagram in developing emotional intelligence. Scott also talks about his work applying the Enneagram to leadership, coaching, and developing practical tools to help individuals and teams grow with greater awareness and authenticity.

Learn more about Scott’s work: https://www.scottallender.com

Join our Expert Typing Methods Workshop: https://cpenneagram.com/expert-typing-methods-mar-2026

Like learning about the Enneagram from Bea and Uranio? Join a community of Enneagram enthusiasts and participate in live monthly webinars and Q&As with Bea and Uranio. Sign up for a FREE trial of CP Online membership at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://learn.cpenneagram.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Want to discover which Enneagram type you could be? Visit our webpage ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://enneagramcompass.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn about the Enneagram test they created, Enneagram Compass.

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Interview With Anne Mureé - S4 EP26 - When The Enneagram Teaches Us To Teach Mar 05, 2026

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Today, Urânio Paes and Beatrice Chestnut welcome Anne Mureé for a profound conversation about teaching the Enneagram from one's own wholeness. In this episode, Anne shares her journey as a social Type 2, her experience in the corporate world, and how working with the Enneagram transformed her life, her community, and her leadership style.

She talks about ambition, humility, mutual support, and the importance of doing inner work before teaching, highlighting that true impact comes from presence and consistent practice. Anne also presents her book, Teach the Enneagram, Teach from Your Wholeness, reinforcing that teaching the Enneagram is one of the most powerful ways to grow and shine a light in the world.

Learn more about Anne’s work: https://annemuree.com

Like learning about the Enneagram from Bea and Uranio? Join a community of Enneagram enthusiasts and participate in live monthly webinars and Q&As with Bea and Uranio. Sign up for a FREE trial of CP Online membership at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://learn.cpenneagram.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Want to discover which Enneagram type you could be? Visit our webpage ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://enneagramcompass.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn about the Enneagram test they created, Enneagram Compass.

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Interview with Eric Severson - S4 EP26 - A Social Three's Journey on Professional and Personal Level Feb 20, 2026

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Today, Uranio Paes and Beatrice Chestnut welcome Eric Severson to discuss his personal and professional journey as a social Type 3 in the Enneagram. In this episode, Eric shares how patterns of achievement, external validation, and emotional repression have influenced his life, his work, and his path of self-development.

The conversation explores the role of instincts, emotional growth, therapy, and the Enneagram as a tool for personal transformation and conscious leadership. They also discuss how the Enneagram can be applied in organizations and teams, promoting self-awareness, healthier relationships, and collective development.

Learn more about Eric’s Work: https://www.eric-severson.com

Like learning about the Enneagram from Bea and Uranio? Join a community of Enneagram enthusiasts and participate in live monthly webinars and Q&As with Bea and Uranio. Sign up for a FREE trial of CP Online membership at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://learn.cpenneagram.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Want to discover which Enneagram type you could be? Visit our webpage ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://enneagramcompass.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn about the Enneagram test they created, Enneagram Compass.

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Interview with Valentine Marie - S4 EP25 - The Enneagram Journey of a Self-Preservation Six Feb 05, 2026

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In this week's episode, Bea and Urânio have the honor of interviewing fellow podcaster Valentine Marie, who brings in depht insights of her Enneagram professional and personal journey. In this hearwarming chat, Valentines open up about meaningful and fulfilling steps on her journey!

Valentine is a writer, traveler, podcast host, and Enneagram coach based out of the Washington DC area. The Enneagram transformed her life and she is desperate to make it more accessible to all people, everywhere. She especially loves working with Enneagram newbies and skeptics so, if that's you - please reach out!

Check Valentine's website: https://www.enneagramwithvalentine.com

Follow Valentine on Instagram: https://instagram.com/enneagram_ish

Listen to her podcast: open.spotify.com/show/7iqwkejerqw5msxinwegqa

Like learning about the Enneagram from Bea and Uranio? Join a community of Enneagram enthusiasts and participate in live monthly webinars and Q&As with Bea and Uranio. Sign up for a FREE trial of CP Online membership at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://learn.cpenneagram.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Want to discover which Enneagram type you could be? Visit our webpage ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://enneagramcompass.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn about the Enneagram test they created, Enneagram Compass.

Please subscribe and share this podcast with others. It will help us out a lot!

Subscribe to our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@ChestnutPaesEnneagramAcademy

Questions? ⁠hello@cpenneagram.com

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