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    Drink Beer, Think Beer With John Holl

    Drink Beer, Think Beer is a weekly conversation with brewers, growers, and other brewing industry professionals that explores the art, culture, and business of craft beer. Hosted by John Holl and recorded on location, this podcast gets to the bottom of every pint and offers insight into the dynamic world of beer.

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    Ep. 80 - Sean Burke of ForeLand Beer Apr 14, 2021
    Show notes

    From the time he started as a professional brewer Sean Burke has been on the brewing deck spearheading some of Portland Oregon’s best and exciting breweries, including The Commons and Von Ebert Brewing Co.


    He made headlines last summer when he announced that he was heading out to open his own brewery, in McMinnville, Oregon that would eventually become known as ForeLand Beer. It opened in the pandemic but Burke has used his experience to guide the business and his team. He sees a little bit of hope on the horizon for this brewery that has repeatedly had to adapt before its doors even opened.

    This episode is sponsored by:


    Source Brewing Co.
    Source Brewing is looking to award a diversity and inclusion scholarship to a candidate from a diverse background who may otherwise underrepresented in the craft brewing industry. The recipient of the scholarship will have the opportunity to take the Siebel Concise Course in Brewing Technology and possibly receive a paid internship at the brewery. Send an email expressing your interest in the scholarship to Info@sourcebrewing.com or to seek additional information.

    NZ Hops
    In a little country far down in the Pacific, you’ll find a cooperative of Master Growers, whose legend and cultivars have been crafted for over 150 years, with creativity and passion, to produce some of the world’s finest hops.

    This is NZ Hops. The industry originated in 1843 not long after the early settlers arrived from England. Years of partnership with a dedicated hop breeding programme, and farming knowledge handed down through the generations, sees the current day Master Growers proudly providing 18 unique New Zealand hop varieties to the world.



    Rare Beer Club
    Unlike any other beer club, The Rare Beer Club often works with breweries like Lost Abbey, The Bruery, and American Solera to create craft beers made exclusively for members. They also bring in hard to find and exclusively imported selections such as Fantome’s Magic Ghost and Westvleteren XII. Their Personalized shipment program allow members to customize each shipment and skip beers you don’t want to get. Get 50% off your first shipment when you sign up for an open-ended ongoing membership at beermonthclub.com and use promo code: DrinkRareBeer. (2 shipment minimum).

    For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.

    • Host: John Holl
    • Guest: Sean Burke of ForeLand Beer
    • Sponsors: NZ Hops, The Rare Beer Club, Source Brewing, The Beer Edge
    • Tags: Beer, Hops, Lager, Pale Ale, Pilsner, Glassware, Beer Garden, COVID-19

    Ep. 79 - Ryan Wibby of Wibby Brewing Apr 07, 2021
    Show notes

    Ryan Wibby has a passion for traditional lagers but also likes to play around in the space. Since launching Wibby Brewing Co. he has racked up medals, awards, and some top notch reviews. His vienna lager, for example, recently scored 100 points in a blind review panel from Wine Enthusiast Magazine.

    Like so many small brewers he has worries but excitement about the future. He is always trying to find new ways to reach customers. From lagers with cacao nibs, to making shandies and seltzers, it is clear he is a brewer who is enjoying his days and grateful for the customers downing the pints.


    This episode is sponsored by:


    NZ Hops
    In a little country far down in the Pacific, you’ll find a cooperative of Master Growers, whose legend and cultivars have been crafted for over 150 years, with creativity and passion, to produce some of the world’s finest hops.

    This is NZ Hops. The industry originated in 1843 not long after the early settlers arrived from England. Years of partnership with a dedicated hop breeding programme, and farming knowledge handed down through the generations, sees the current day Master Growers proudly providing 18 unique New Zealand hop varieties to the world.



    Athletic Brewing Co.
    At Athletic Brewing Company their innovative process allows them to brew great-tasting craft beer without the alcohol. From IPAs to stouts to golden ales and more, they offer a full selection of beers starting at only 50 calories. Now you can keep your head clear and enjoy the refreshing taste of beer anytime, anywhere. Place an order today at athleticbrewing.com and get free shipping on two six-packs or more.

    Rare Beer Club
    Unlike any other beer club, The Rare Beer Club often works with breweries like Lost Abbey, The Bruery, and American Solera to create craft beers made exclusively for members. They also bring in hard to find and exclusively imported selections such as Fantome’s Magic Ghost and Westvleteren XII. Their Personalized shipment program allow members to customize each shipment and skip beers you don’t want to get. Get 50% off your first shipment when you sign up for an open-ended ongoing membership at beermonthclub.com and use promo code: DrinkRareBeer. (2 shipment minimum).

    For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.

    • Host: John Holl
    • Guest: Ryan Wibby of Wibby Brewing Co.
    • Sponsors: Athletic Brewing Co., NZ Hops, The Rare Beer Club The Beer Edge
    • Tags: Beer, Hops, Lager, Shandy, Colorado, Pilsner, Expansion, History, Pools, Beer garden, COVID-19

    This Week in Rauchbier 2021 Apr 01, 2021
    Show notes

    Welcome to This Week in Rauchbier for April 1, 2021.


    Hagan and Bill of Dovetail Brewing in Chicago are off again this week, but joining John Holl is a bevy of rauchbier guests that will warm your hearts and soul, just like properly kilned malt.


    • Lisa Allen of Heater Allen Brewing in Oregon is here to talk about all things rauchbier.
    • Franziska Weyermann of Weyermann Specialty Malts tells us about the family business and what is on the horizon for smoked malt.
    • Jack Hendler of Jack's Abby Craft Lagers in Massachusetts answers letters from the smoked malt mailbag
    • and, as always, Bart Watson of the Brewers Association will be joining us to talk about the smoked beer stats we all look forward to each week.



    Thanks to Hagen and Bill for the inspiration to do this show. Hear the genesis on episode 5 of Drink Beer, Think Beer.


    Music for this episode:
    NewsSting by Kevin MacLeod

    Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/4124-newssting

    License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/


    Sponsor:
    This episode is brought to you by the Barke® line of Weyermann Specialty Malts. Barke once enjoyed the highest reputation among German brewers and was once the most common barley variety. Weyermann believes in Barke®, as an all-time great in the history of barley varieties, with its unique qualities especially for artisanal beers, it will continue to have a home in the portfolio of Weyermann® specialty malts for years to come. Available as Barke® Pilsner malt, Barke® Vienna malt, and Barke® Munich malt. Go to bsgcraftbrewing.com to learn more, or call 1-800-374-2739.


    For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.

    • Host: John Holl
    • Guests: Lisa Allen, Jack Hendler, Franziska Weyermann, and Bart Watson.
    • Tags: beer, craft beer, rauchbier, smoke, April Fool's Day

    Ep. 78 - Bill Oakley Talks About Comedy, Beer, and Fast Food Mar 31, 2021
    Show notes

    Show notes from host John Holl:


    Season eight of The Simpsons introduced us to Cecil Underdunk Terwilliger, the younger brother of Sideshow Bob. Our guest this week is Bill Oakley, who among many other things that we’ll tell you about, was the show runner for that season - as well as season 7 – of the long running animated series.

    So, it seemed fitting to have my younger, but taller, brother on the show. Especially since he is the one who first put Oakley on my radar. On Oakley's Instagram page - @ That Bill Oakley – he chronicles the fast pace, high-caloric, sometimes gimmicky, often tasty, and modern Americana that is fast food. He regularly posts videos of himself outside of familiar spots like Popeyes, Burger King, McDonalds, KFC, and more giving reviews of their latest offerings, or reviewing “hacks” sent in by viewers.


    Like so many of the great comedy writers of his generation he went to Harvard where he worked on the Harvard Lampoon. In 1992 he joined the staff of the Simpsons where he wrote or contributed to many of the episodes that are considered golden classics to this day. He and his writing partner Josh Weinstein won three emmy awards for their work.

    They became show runners and executive producers of the show for seasons seven and eight. You may remember some of them: “The Itchy, Scratchy, and Poochie show” “22 Short Films about Springfield” “Radioactive Man” and “Homer’s Enemy” After leaving the show he and Weinstein created Mission Hill, an animated series that appeared on the then WB network. They also then consulted on Futurama and other projects.

    Oakley began writing and then became a co-executive producer for Portlandia, co-writing every episode on the 3rd season. We’ll talk about comedy, and writing, and will try hard not to geek out too much but this is a conversation about fast food, and the intersection with beer – there are a lot actually aside from bad decisions made after too many pints at the bar."

    This episode is sponsored by:


    NZ Hops
    In a little country far down in the Pacific, you’ll find a cooperative of Master Growers, whose legend and cultivars have been crafted for over 150 years, with creativity and passion, to produce some of the world’s finest hops.

    This is NZ Hops. The industry originated in 1843 not long after the early settlers arrived from England. Years of partnership with a dedicated hop breeding programme, and farming knowledge handed down through the generations, sees the current day Master Growers proudly providing 18 unique New Zealand hop varieties to the world.


    For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.

    • Hosts: John Holl, Tom Holl
    • Guest: Bill Oakley
    • Sponsors: NZ Hops, The Beer Edge
    • Tags: Beer, Hops, Lager, IPA, Fast Food, Maryland, The Simpsons, Steamed Hams, Comedy, Oregon

    Ep. 77 - Paul Kavulak of Nebraska Brewing Mar 24, 2021
    Show notes

    His brewery survived the Great Recession and will do the same with the COVID-19 pandemic, and Paul Kavulak is constantly thinking of new ways to innovate, keep the business running smoothly, and finding the right people for the right jobs.


    In this episode of Drink Beer, Think Beer he shares stories from his homebrewing days, and the early days of the brewery that laid the foundation to what the company is today and can be in the future. It's a family affair, with his children in the brewhouse and front office, taking on key roles to help this brewery, known for barrel-aged offerings as well as a traditional core line up, focused on quality and community.


    From opening up the cellar to offer up rare beers to ease the monotony of endless pandemic days, to the struggles of making a "hazy" IPA that keeps pouring clear, Kavulak is a voice of experience, good humor, and remains a fan of beer.

    This episode is sponsored by:


    NZ Hops
    In a little country far down in the Pacific, you’ll find a cooperative of Master Growers, whose legend and cultivars have been crafted for over 150 years, with creativity and passion, to produce some of the world’s finest hops.

    This is NZ Hops. The industry originated in 1843 not long after the early settlers arrived from England. Years of partnership with a dedicated hop breeding programme, and farming knowledge handed down through the generations, sees the current day Master Growers proudly providing 18 unique New Zealand hop varieties to the world.



    Athletic Brewing Co.
    At Athletic Brewing Company their innovative process allows them to brew great-tasting craft beer without the alcohol. From IPAs to stouts to golden ales and more, they offer a full selection of beers starting at only 50 calories. Now you can keep your head clear and enjoy the refreshing taste of beer anytime, anywhere. Place an order today at athleticbrewing.com and get free shipping on two six-packs or more.


    For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.

    • Host: John Holl
    • Guest: Paul Kavulak of Nebraska Brewing Co.
    • Sponsors: Athletic Brewing Co., NZ Hops, The Beer Edge
    • Tags: Beer, Hops, Lager, IPA, Nebraska, Iowa, Barrel-Aged, Pilsner, Expansion, History, Education, Pale Ale, COVID-19

    Ep. 76 - Davin and Kellan Bartosch of Wise Acre Brewing Mar 17, 2021
    Show notes

    Meet Davin and Kellan Bartosch the brothers behind Wise Acre Brewing Co. in Memphis.

    From talking about their high school beer hi-jinx to how a drive to find joy in education helped them start this fast-growing brewery. Family plays a big role in this brewery's direction and there are lessons to be learned on relying on those you love and trust.

    Wise Acre has helped define and grow Memphis' beer scene and now the brothers have their eye on expansion into new states, including Colorado. Pushing traditional styles with their own flair, Wise Acre makes the case that brewers can still have fun, and customers still want to drink, lagers and ales that taste like lagers and ales.

    This episode is part therapy session, part walk down memory lane, and all about family.

    This episode is sponsored by:


    Bolide Communications
    We are seasoned marketing professionals who have worked with some of the most respected brands in the world.

    We jump in deep, roll up our sleeves and do the work ourselves. With our depth of expertise, we know how to get results that matter – and no junior staff who are learning on your dime.

    For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.

    • Host: John Holl
    • Guest: Davin and Kellan Bartosch
    • Sponsor: Bolide Communications, The Beer Edge
    • Tags: Beer, Hops, Lager, IPA, Tennessee, Hops, Pilsner, Expansion, History, Education

    Ep. 75 - Jennifer Talley Mar 10, 2021
    Show notes

    Show notes from host John Holl:


    "Jennifer Talley is a brewer’s brewer. I can’t count the times over the years of covering beer that her name has come up, often in awe and always in excitement, when brewers talk about who they admire in the industry.

    Still, I never had the chance to interview her or have pints out in the world. When a press release from Firestone Walker arrived in my inbox this week promoting an IPA that Talley brewed with Matt Brynildson, I wanted to remedy that situation and she graciously agreed to come on the show.

    She holds a Bachelor of Science in Sociology and a Masters of Social Work degree from the University of Utah, the same state where she spent more than 20 years at the brewmaster and director of research and development for Squatters Brewery and Salt Lake Brewing Co.

    She’s a graduate of the Siebel Institute, where she met Matthew Brynildson, and was part of a pretty epic graduating class. Throughout her career she’s brewed for the Craft Brew Alliance, Russian River, Auburn Ale House and more.

    With nearly two dozen medals at both the World Beer Cup and Great American Beer Festival. She’s also the author of Session Beers from Brewers Publications. She’s currently on the board of the Brewers Association on the Pub Breweries committee and in 2011 she was awarded the Russell Schehrer Award for Innovation in Craft Brewing

    She’s been described as a force of positive energy, one of the coolest people in the industry, and in an email before this conversation, Brynildson simply called her a 'trip'.

    She spoke to me from California and I started off by asking about the style she wish got a little more respect by brewers and drinkers alike"

    This episode is sponsored by:


    Bolide Communications
    We are seasoned marketing professionals who have worked with some of the most respected brands in the world.

    We jump in deep, roll up our sleeves and do the work ourselves. With our depth of expertise, we know how to get results that matter – and no junior staff who are learning on your dime.

    For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.

    • Host: John Holl
    • Guest: Jennifer Talley
    • Sponsor: Bolide Communications, The Beer Edge
    • Tags: Beer, Hops, Lager, IPA, California, Utah, Hops, Pilsner, Collaboration Beers

    Ep. 74 - Max Shafer of Roadhouse Brewing Co. Mar 03, 2021
    Show notes

    Show notes from host John Holl:


    "I’m excited to have Max Shafer on the show today. In my line of work there are breweries that pop up from time to time, that make a serious impression in the glass and then, when you dig a little deeper, also have a cool story to tell.

    That’s Roadhouse Brewing for me these days. They brewery began popping up in tastings, on social media, and in my email over the last few years and the more I read about it, the more interested I became. Max is the head brewer there and he’s leading a team that is trying to balance the needs of locals as well as the tourists that flock to Jackson Hole, Wyoming to experience the great outdoors.

    He’s familiar with the area, having cut his teeth at Grand Teton Brewing in Idaho, just a short drive away. If it’s brewing with local hops, tweaking recipes to make things a little better, or letting his brewers go wild, the beer work of this growing brewery is never ending."


    This episode is sponsored by:


    Jack's Abby Craft Lagers
    Lagers of the World is the result of our desire to expand our knowledge of lagers beyond our own community, culture, and traditions. What is the state of craft beer and craft lager in other countries? What styles and flavors are important to their beer culture? What brewing techniques do they employ? Our goal is to partner with other craft breweries across the globe, collaborate, and share what we learned with you in the format we do best: LAGER!


    Bolide Communications
    We are seasoned marketing professionals who have worked with some of the most respected brands in the world.

    We jump in deep, roll up our sleeves and do the work ourselves. With our depth of expertise, we know how to get results that matter – and no junior staff who are learning on your dime.

    For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.

    • Host: John Holl
    • Guest: Max Shafer of Roadhouse Brewing
    • Sponsor: Jack's Abby Craft Lagers, Bolide Communications, The Beer Edge
    • Tags: Beer, Hops, Lager, IPA, Wyoming, Idaho, Hops, Pilsner, Collaboration Beers

    Ep. 73 - Shyla Sheppard of Bow and Arrow Brewing Feb 24, 2021
    Show notes

    Shyla Sheppard is our guest this week and she is the founder, president and co-founder of Bow and Arrow Brewing Co. in Albuquerque, New Mexico. The brewery just celebrated its 5th anniversary under the same circumstances that we’ve all been under over the last year, but they had some fun with it. Rather than letting the pandemic get them down, they are adapting quick and planning for the future.


    Before Sheppard got into the beer industry she worked in finance, helping entrepreneurs establish loans that would help fund their dreams. In her words, she wanted to follow them, and do what she loved, and beer was the path forward.

    The brewery makes the most of the area that it is in and draws from family history, especially from her partner Missy Begay, who is the brewery’s creative director. The beers are put together by Ted O’Hanlan, who worked at breweries in Wyoming before going to the Southwest.

    From native ingredients, to business strategies, and a look towards the future, Sheppard offers up unparalleled insight.

    For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.

    • Host: John Holl
    • Guest: Shyla Sheppard of Bow and Arrow Brewing Co.
    • Sponsor: The Beer Edge
    • Tags: Beer, Hops, Lager, New Mexico, Finance, Growth, Special Ingredients

    Ep. 72 - Vinnie Cilurzo of Russian River Brewing Co. Feb 17, 2021
    Show notes

    A few weeks ago Vinnie Cilurzo the co-founder of Russian River Brewing Co. was on Steal This Beer and amid the hop soaked fun, he mentioned how the two breweries in the Russian River family – the pub in Santa Rosa, California and the new one in nearby Windsor – talk between each other to dial in recipes and make sure there is a united front.


    This is a normal practice for brewers with multiple locations, but when it comes to beers are revered as STS Pilsner and Pliny the Elder, it is easy to be intrigued. During that podcast the conversation did not dive too deep, so over the course of the last few weeks John Holl reached out to Cilurzo over email and the two discussed brewing processes and how having a newer brewery with all the bells and whistles has changed long-standing recipes.


    Eventually the two just decided it would be smart to just record a podcast about it, and here we are.

    In fact, this show would have happened sooner but Cilurzo was tied up with the 2021 launch of Pliny the Younger, the triple IPA that is released once per year to great acclaim and long lines. Because of the pandemic the sales were moved into bottles and online and it was a learning experience for the brewery – especially with how many people wanted a chance to drink (or maybe trade) bottles of their own.

    So, that’s where this conversations starts with Holl asking Cilurzo about Younger Day and the aftermath.


    For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.

    • Host: John Holl
    • Guests: Vinnie Cilurzo of Russian River Brewing Co.
    • Sponsor: The Beer Edge
    • Tags: Beer, Hops, Lager, California, Pliny the Elder, Wine, Agriculture, Beer Quality

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