Disordered: Anxiety Help

Am I Doing Too Much Recovery/Exposure?

This week Drew and Josh tackle a common question in anxiety recovery: "Am I pushing myself too hard with exposures?" The guys explore the nuanced balance between challenging yourself and recognizing when you might genuinely need rest.

In this episode:

How to distinguish between being genuinely depleted versus being scared
Why feeling anxious after successful exposures doesn't mean you've done "too much"
The difference between active, reasoned decisions to rest and anxiety-driven avoidance
Special considerations for people with OCD and chronic health conditions
How to balance recovery work with other life priorities like family time

Featured listener stories:

Nicole shares her experience flying to Munich for a Champions League game and wondering if she's overdoing exposures
Tyler's victory over health anxiety by choosing the gym over Google searches
Matt's success working an 8-hour shift without his "safety person"
Chris's inspiring story of dating while tapering off medication

While you can't actually "break" your recovery by doing too much, it's important to allocate your resources wisely and remember that feeling scared doesn't mean you've made a mistake - it means you're doing exactly what recovery requires.

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Disclaimer: Disordered is not therapy or a replacement for therapy. Listening to Disordered does not create a therapeutic relationship between you and the hosts or guests of the podcast. Information here is provided for psychoeducational purposes. As always, please consult your mental health and/or medical care providers. If you are having a mental health crisis, always reach out immediately for in-person help.

Listener Questions About Anxiety & Recovery (Episode 114) Jun 20, 2025

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This week Drew and Josh are answering questions from listeners. Questions addressed in this episode include:

Is it "normal" to feel a letdown after completing and big successful exposure/challenge?
What work can we do to address the fawn response?
Isn't a panic attack a medical emergency? How can it possibly be safe to experience panic?!
Staying off social media is good for mental health, right? But is that anxiety avoidance?
How can I learn how to NOT tense my body? It's such a habit now!

We're also hearing from inspiring "Did It Anyways" and inserting the usual doses of humor and compassion as we address anxiety and anxiety disorders.

Thanks to the entire Disordered listening community for sending in questions, wins, and for supporting our work. We appreciate you!

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Death Anxiety w/Professor David Veale (Episode 113) Jun 13, 2025

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https://www.veale.co.uk/news/free-yourself-from-death-anxiety-book-published/

Death anxiety - an obsessive fixation on death, dying and existence driven by intense fear of the inevitability of death - is a very common experience for listeners of Disordered.

This week Josh and Drew were lucky enough to have a chat with Professor David Veale, one of the leading authorities in in the UK on the topic of death anxiety and mental health issues related to death and existence. David helped spread some light and some much-needed humor on this topic that might help you change the way you approach your death-focused anxiety and fear.

The highlights:

Death is in fact an un-solvable problem. This creates discomfort for all humans, and fear is some kind for most humans. That is also unavoidable. Being uncomfortable with death is part of living. Approaching death anxiety means coming to grips with this reality.

We can all experience discomfort around the idea of death because it really is an important topic, however importance and urgency are not the same things. Please keep this in mind. Death might be important, but that does not make it a topic you need to tend to immediately as if it is a current emergency.

Compulsively searching for answers or solutions when it comes to death is a pointless exercise that just makes things worse than they have to be.

Overcoming death anxiety is an exercise is doing what we can do to prepare for death (writing wills, making funeral arrangements, talking about our feelings, etc.), then bring our discomfort or fear with us as we do our best to return to living the best life we can while we have it!

If you are struggling with death anxiety, this episode is worth a listen.

For more on Professor David Veale visit his website:

https://www.veale.co.uk

Find David’s book about death anxiety (co-authored with Rachel Menzies):

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Rumination ... Or Reflection? (Episode 112) Jun 06, 2025

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What's the difference between rumination and reflection? Ruminators, worriers, and over thinkers often struggle to recognize the useful limits of thinking. They can become unsure when they are engaging in helpful reflection or problem solving .... and when they are ruminating and worrying with no good outcomes and often actual negative outcomes.

This week on Disordered Drew and Josh are digging in to the difference between rumination and reflection. Reflection is good. Rumination ... not so much. How can you tell the difference? Can you always tell the difference? Isn't thinking ALWAYS good because it solves problems? Why are your friends and loved ones looking at you sideways when you insist that worrying and thinking is a good move and they see you getting more and more agitated and anxious the more you think?

These questions and more on episode 112 of Disordered, so tune in.

Oh, and we also have a new sound effect this week. We're super pleased with that. 😂

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If Its Anxiety .... It MUST Be Trauma! (Episode 111) May 30, 2025

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This week on Disordered we're discussing the all too common narrative in wellness circles that demands that we ascribe all anxiety or suffering of any kind to unhealed or unprocessed trauma. And while its certainly a good thing that we are more concerned with life experiences than structural defects now, this narrative can be unhelpful or even harmful in the context of anxiety disorders.

All humans experiences crises. Some of those crises remain unresolved and create trauma. In some of those cases that trauma appears as functional impairment long after the traumatizing experiences are over. Some anxious people struggle with this. BUT NOT ALL. It's not automatic. The word "some" is the most important word in this discussion.

When there is trauma in the mix - and not all difficult things in life need to be called trauma - that makes anxiety recovery more layered and even more tricky in some cases, but it doesn't make things impossible. And when there is no lasting functional impact due to "trauma", insisting that anxiety disorders are an unhealed / unprocessed pain problem is a really bad strategy.

Whatever your experiences in life with crisis, trauma, or anxiety may be, this episode is worth a listen.

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Anxiety Recovery: Worse Before Better - Part II (Episode 110) May 23, 2025

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"Help! I started doing exposures and trying to accept my anxiety and its getting worse!"

This is a very common experience in anxiety disorder recovery. Its been spoken about at great length in the community surrounding the Disordered podcast. This week we're tackling the "worse before better" issue.

When you stop running, hiding, avoiding, escaping, distracting, and otherwise drowning out your anxious thoughts, fears, and sensations, you will find yourself in a situation where you feel them more fully. This is natural, normal, to be expected, and part of the recovery process as designed. However, it can be easy for many reasons to interpret this as things getting "worse".

Tune in to this episode as the guys are talking about how this interpretation is created, why feeling more does not equal getting worse, and how fully experiencing the things that disturb and bother us is a required part of the recovery equation.

If you're adopting acceptance, tolerance, or non-resistance and feel like this is "making you worse", this episode is for you.

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My Anxiety Makes Me Frustrated / Angry / Sad / Guilty! (Episode 109) May 16, 2025

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When we struggle with chronic or disordered anxiety, we regularly experience powerful emotions that tend to look like fear or tension. We may experience intense feelings of being vulnerable, or doomed. We talk about these things all the time.

But what about when you have emotions about having those emotions? Struggling to overcome an anxiety problem that is creating disruption in your life is going to trigger actual emotions beyond just fear.

Many feel:

Frustrated - because they can't seem to get better fast enough or make steady progress
Angry - because they feel stuck in the anxiety loop
Guilty - because anxiety is keeping them from living the life they want to live
Sad - for the time they may have lost to anxiety

This is just a partial list. The emotions that come along with the struggle are real, valid, and must be acknowledged and addressed. Expressing them is important! This week Josh and Drew are talking about these often confusing and hard to handle emotions.

Have a listen. The conversation touches on the validity of all emotions, learning to be OK with all states of your humanity, why doing hard things is going to bring other parts of your life into the process, and how declaring catastrophe over how you're feeling NOW is a trap.

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Anxiety, ChatGPT, AI, Reddit ... and Dr. Google (Episode 108) May 09, 2025

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https://theanxioustruth.substack.com

"Hey ChatGPT. Please tell me how I'll know if I'm accepting my anxiety or avoiding it."

"Hey ChatGPT. When I get anxious my vision gets weird. Can anxiety do that? "

"Hello Reddit. Does anyone else feel like ...."

The guys are back after a short break to talk about the use of ChatGPT, AI, Reddit, Google, and the Internet in general in the context of anxiety and mental health issues.

There's no doubt that large language models - software that aggregates extremely large amounts of information found on the Internet and in libraries and huge databases - are here to stay. But while AI bots and engines like ChatGPT are sometimes quite impressive and can even present themselves as human, we do have to be mindful of how we're using these new tools as we work toward overcoming chronic and disordered forms of anxiety.

This episode includes

A look at how compulsive reassurance seeking, analysis, problem solving, and resources gathering can turn AI or online tools into counterproductive habits
How the Internet can't ever really know your specific situation or the real details of who you are, and therefore can't answer your recovery questions with any degree of certainty or even safety in many cases.
How AI engines are being used to create mental health and wellness content targeting engagement, growth, and influence rather than accuracy or usefulness.
General guidelines we might lean on when trying to use tools like ChatGPT or Reddit to help us in recovery.

If you want to use AI or online tools to help you get better, this episode is probably worth a listen.

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Two Week Break - April 18, 2025 Apr 18, 2025

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We're taking a short two week break, so no new episode of Disordered for April 18 or April 25. We'll be back again on May 2!

In the meanwhile, head over to disordered.fm and check out our back catalog of episodes. We've done some cool (and fun) stuff over the last two years so check it out.

Thank you for all your support. We really appreciate all of you guys!

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Doing ... And NOT Doing ... In Anxiety Recovery (Episode 107) Apr 11, 2025

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When working on anxiety recovery, sometimes we're DOING. Other times we have to focus on NOT doing. How confusing is that!?

This week Drew and Josh are chatting about how DOING things specific to anxiety recovery and NOT DOING things specific to anxiety recovery are related and how these two concepts work together.

In a nutshell, doing is about activating and engaging in behavior that anxiety says you should avoid. On the flip side, not doing is about refraining from the actions (including mental actions like rumination) that anxiety and fear will insist are good ideas.

This is subtle and nuanced, and will look a bit different from one person to the next. Things may change from day to day. So if you are confused by this - especially if you are dealing with GAD or health anxiety and want to know what you're "exposures" should be - this episode may help clear things up for you.

As usual the episode celebrates some wins from your peers - others struggling with the same issues you may be struggling with - and a healthy dose of humor and compassion. So listening is a good DOING thing. On the other hand, judging Josh and Drew for their continued insistence on talking about bologna sandwiches is definitely a NOT DOING thing. ;-)

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