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    Natural Sciences

    DarkHorse Podcast

    The DarkHorse Podcast is hosted by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying. Bret and Heather both have PhDs in biology, and they seek truth and explore a wide variety of topics with their evolutionary toolkit as society loses its footing. Tune in to infamous spreaders of “Covid Disinformation” Bret and Heather for a podcast—maybe you’ll like what you see!

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    #74: Nothing to Ad (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream) Apr 03, 2021
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    In this 74th in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we discuss the state of the world through an evolutionary lens. This episode marks the first episode in which we broadcast ads. After speaking two ads at the top of the show, we devote the rest of the episode to a critique of advertising, a history of ads in nature (bird plumage or song, bright coloration or patterning on a toxic frog or butterfly), and a discussion of how ads have been used to drive editorial content in some places, notably magazines aimed at women and girls. We then provide eight pro bono ads: products or things that we think are awesome (or not), and why we think so. This was fun; we hope you think so, too.
    Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is now available for pre-sale at amazon. Publication date: 9-14-21: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0593086880/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_5BDTABYFKRJKZBT5GSQA
    DarkHorse merchandise now available at: store.darkhorsepodcast.org
    Find more from us on Bret’s website (https://bretweinstein.net) or Heather’s website (http://heatherheying.com).
    Become a member of the DarkHorse LiveStreams, and get access to an additional Q&A livestream every month. Join at Heather's Patreon.
    Like this content? Subscribe to the channel, like this video, follow us on twitter (@BretWeinstein, @HeatherEHeying), and consider helping us out by contributing to either of our Patreons or Bret’s Paypal.
    Looking for clips from #DarkHorseLivestreams? Here are some, updated frequently: @DarkHorse Podcast Clips
    Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.
    Q&A Link: https://youtu.be/NYOpn7eDImE
    Mentioned in this episode:
    ExpressVPN: VPNs keep you and your information safe. Use this code—darkhorse—to get 3 months free on a year-long subscription at ExpressVPN. Go to: https://www.expressvpn.com/darkhorse
    OMAX CryoFreeze: Pain is necessary and adaptive, but sometimes it interferes with life. This CryoFreeze CBD Roll-On is effective at reducing pain. Go to: https://omaxhealth.com and use code DARKHORSE for 20% off Cryofreeze and all other products sitewide.
    Gloria Steinem’s 1990 essay, “Sex, Lies & Advertising” published in (by then ad-free) Ms. Magazine: http://www1.udel.edu/comm245/readings/advertising.pdf
    If you have a library of print books that you read and return to, and you don’t know about bookdarts, you should: https://www.bookdarts.com
    The next time you find yourself in the jungle, or just slogging through a wet forest, try Aigle boots: https://www.aigle.com/eu/en/made-in-france
    Beautiful pottery by Matthew Kelly: https://matthewkellypottery.com
    Delicious and effective teas, tinctures and more, with a lot of humor: http://giant-herbs.com
    Adjustable crescent wrench with vise lock: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Stanley-MaxGrip-10-in-Locking-Adjustable-Wrench-85-610/203713967

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    #73: Arroz by any Other Name (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream) Mar 27, 2021
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    In this 73rd in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we discuss the state of the world through an evolutionary lens. This episode marks the one year anniversary of the Evolutionary Lens! We discuss its origin, and talk about the books we’ve read from on-air over the last year. In other news: A ship is stuck in the Suez Canal; Bret has an Evergreen take on the situation. Also the former head of the CDC, Robert Redfield, says that lab leak is the most likely origin for SARS-CoV2. Meanwhile, RT wants us to believe that the Amazon rainforest causes global warming. In happier news, saffron seems to lift depression. And finally: why we should absolutely be talking about detransition, which is what happens when people who have transitioned decide that they made an error, and work to regain their former sexual identities, health, and lives.
    Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is now available for pre-sale at amazon. Publication date: 9-14-21: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0593086880/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_5BDTABYFKRJKZBT5GSQA
    DarkHorse merchandise now available at: store.darkhorsepodcast.org
    Find more from us on Bret’s website (https://bretweinstein.net) or Heather’s website (http://heatherheying.com).
    Become a member of the DarkHorse LiveStreams, and get access to an additional Q&A livestream every month. Join at Heather's Patreon.
    Like this content? Subscribe to the channel, like this video, follow us on twitter (@BretWeinstein, @HeatherEHeying), and consider helping us out by contributing to either of our Patreons or Bret’s Paypal.
    Looking for clips from #DarkHorseLivestreams? Here are some, updated frequently: @DarkHorse Podcast Clips
    Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.
    Q&A Link: https://youtu.be/bILzAIWZEkc
    Mentioned in this episode:
    Former CDC Director Robert Redfield sits down with CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta: https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/03/26/sanjay-gupta-exclusive-robert-redfield-coronavirus-opinion-origin-sot-intv-newday-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/
    RT article from March 15, 2021: Amazon rainforest now most likely warming Earth’s atmosphere, not cooling it, scientists warn: https://www.rt.com/news/518111-amazon-rainforest-warming-earths-atmosphere/
    Moghadam et al 2021. Impact of saffron (Crocus Sativus Linn) supplementation and resistance training on markers implicated in depression and happiness levels in untrained young males. Physiology & Behavior 233: 113352. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031938421000445
    Jennifer Finney Boylan on why “60 Minutes” should not do a segment on detransitioners: https://twitter.com/JennyBoylan/status/1373307441648140300?s=20

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    #72: Dogs, Frogs, and Viral Analogs (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream) Mar 20, 2021
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    In this 72nd in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we discuss the state of the world through an evolutionary lens. It’s the Spring equinox, and there are frogs—frogs who are anatomically able to tune out some of the voices of other frogs whom they have no interest in. Then: Bret’s challenge to Ibram Kendi, which includes a simple proof involving dogs and anti-racism. And: the left are increasingly gullible; we provide an example from a class action lawsuit in California against the use of CRT in state agencies. Finally: Is widespread vaccination during a pandemic safe? We discuss the views of a scientist, Geert Vanden Bossche, who argues “no.”
    Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is now available for pre-sale at amazon. Publication date: 9-14-21: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0593086880/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_5BDTABYFKRJKZBT5GSQA
    DarkHorse merchandise now available at: store.darkhorsepodcast.org
    Find more from us on Bret’s website (https://bretweinstein.net) or Heather’s website (http://heatherheying.com).
    Become a member of the DarkHorse LiveStreams, and get access to an additional Q&A livestream every month. Join at Heather's Patreon.
    Like this content? Subscribe to the channel, like this video, follow us on twitter (@BretWeinstein, @HeatherEHeying), and consider helping us out by contributing to either of our Patreons or Bret’s Paypal.
    Looking for clips from #DarkHorseLivestreams? Here are some, updated frequently: @DarkHorse Podcast Clips
    Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.
    Mentioned in this episode:
    How Female Frogs Tune Out Useless, Noisy Males, published March 4, 2021 in The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/03/how-female-frogs-tune-out-useless-noisy-males/618199/
    Lee et al 2021. Lung Mediated Auditory Contrast Enhancement Improves the Signal-to-Noise Ratio for Communication in Frogs. Current Biology 31:1-11. https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0960-9822%2821%2900113-5
    Class action complaint against the use of Critical Race Theory in state agencies in California: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5ac03e14ec4eb74c10016931/t/5fa02b0c4ddbcf7db99555e7/1604332300428/CNRA+class+action+complaint.pdf
    Papers and videos from Geert Vanden Bossche, an independent virologist and vaccine expert:
    March 6 paper: https://dryburgh.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Geert_Vanden_Bossche_Open_Letter_WHO_March_6_2021.pdf
    March 13 paper: https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/document/C4D1FAQG4uUor_dt9uA/feedshare-document-pdf-analyzed/0/1615659141527?e=1616353200&v=beta&t=YVZm6g22QhVEgd5sxs52YKAe8hKgVkL28bd75DBd8fg
    March 17 paper: https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/document/C4D1FAQGu6420Qc24mQ/feedshare-document-pdf-analyzed/0/1615982686272?e=1616353200&v=beta&t=yf_dSRB1HkuEZtRMrckGqOeh0KxzyhNMFbs2OrHqxk4
    YouTube video from March 6: Mass Vaccination in a Pandemic - Benefits versus Risks: Interview with Geert Vanden Bossche: https://youtu.be/ZJZxiNxYLpc

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    DarkHorse Podcast with Irshad Manji & Bret Weinstein Mar 19, 2021
    Show notes

    Irshad Manji is an author, founder of the Moral Courage project, and lecturer at Oxford for the Initiative for Global Ethics and Human Rights.
    Buy Irshad’s new book: Don’t Label Me - How to Do Diversity Without Inflaming the Culture Wars: https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asin=B07D2BXJTS&preview=newtab&linkCode=kpe&ref_=cm_sw_r_kb_dp_AMB2A762PQWAHW6FDZ77
    Find Irshad on her website: https://irshadmanji.com/
    Find Irshad on Twitter: @IrshadManji
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    Find Bret Weinstein on Twitter: @BretWeinstein, and on Patreon.
    Please subscribe to this channel for more long form content like this, and subscribe to the clips channel @DarkHorse Podcast Clips for short clips of all our podcasts.
    DarkHorse merchandise now available at: store.darkhorsepodcast.org
    Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.

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    #71: Make Dopamine While the Sun Shines (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream) Mar 13, 2021
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    In this 71st in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we discuss the state of the world through an evolutionary lens. In this episode, we talk about trees and mental health and lockdowns and polar bears. Among other things. Does having trees outside your window help mitigate depression? If so, how close do they need to be? Does it matter what species they are? What’s so great about trees anyway? What about rivers or birds or volcanoes? Also: how do extended lockdowns affect teenagers in particular? What do we lose when we close schools, shut down organized sports, keep people from socializing? And: what do polar bears eat when melting sea ice keeps the seals out of reach? Duck eggs of course!
    Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is now available for pre-sale at amazon. Publication date: 9-14-21: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0593086880/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_5BDTABYFKRJKZBT5GSQA
    DarkHorse merchandise now available at: store.darkhorsepodcast.org Find more from us on Bret’s website (https://bretweinstein.net) or Heather’s website (http://heatherheying.com).
    Become a member of the DarkHorse LiveStreams, and get access to an additional Q&A livestream every month. Join at Heather's Patreon.
    Like this content? Subscribe to the channel, like this video, follow us on twitter (@BretWeinstein, @HeatherEHeying), and consider helping us out by contributing to either of our Patreons or Bret’s Paypal.
    Looking for clips from #DarkHorseLivestreams? Here are some, updated frequently: @DarkHorse Podcast Clips
    Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.
    Q&A Link: https://youtu.be/sOzo7KThjWk
    Mentioned in this episode:
    Marselle et al 2020. Urban street tree biodiversity and antidepressant prescriptions. Scientific Reports, 10(1): 1-11. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-79924-5
    Mitchell et al 2015. Neighborhood environments and socioeconomic inequalities in mental well-being. American journal of preventive medicine, 49(1): 80-84. (paywalled)
    MacGillis, March 8, 2021. The Lost Year: What the Pandemic Cost Teenagers. ProPublica. https://www.propublica.org/article/the-lost-year-what-the-pandemic-cost-teenagers
    Jagielski, et al 2021. Polar bear foraging on common eider eggs: estimating the energetic consequences of a climate-mediated behavioural shift. Animal Behaviour, 171: 63-75. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59845a6359cc687d5ab8fd4d/t/5fcf8327505b451de18fbdf9/1607435075723/1-s2.0-S0003347220303316-main.pdf

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    Jordan Peterson is Back! - Bret Weinstein's DarkHorse Podcast Mar 08, 2021
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    Jordan Peterson is an author, YouTube lecturer, and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto.
    Buy Jordan's new book: Beyond Order - 12 More Rules for Life: https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asin=B08NP6881K&preview=newtab&linkCode=kpe&ref_=cm_sw_r_kb_dp_8ZSEX3G3CRRHS6Y1N9JK
    Find Jordan on his website: https://www.jordanbpeterson.com
    Find Jordan on Twitter: @jordanbpeterson
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    Find Bret Weinstein on Twitter: @BretWeinstein, and on Patreon.
    Please subscribe to this channel for more long form content like this, and subscribe to the clips channel @DarkHorse Podcast Clips for short clips of all our podcasts.
    DarkHorse merchandise now available at: store.darkhorsepodcast.org
    Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.

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    #70: Loose the Seuss (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream) Mar 06, 2021
    Show notes

    In this 70th in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we discuss the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.

    Our book, A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, is now available for pre-sale at amazon. Publication date: 9-14-21: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0593086880/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_5BDTABYFKRJKZBT5GSQA

    DarkHorse merchandise now available at: store.darkhorsepodcast.org
    Find more from us on Bret’s website (https://bretweinstein.net) or Heather’s website (http://heatherheying.com).
    Become a member of the DarkHorse LiveStreams, and get access to an additional Q&A livestream every month. Join at Heather's Patreon.
    Like this content? Subscribe to the channel, like this video, follow us on twitter (@BretWeinstein, @HeatherEHeying), and consider helping us out by contributing to either of our Patreons or Bret’s Paypal.
    Looking for clips from #DarkHorseLivestreams? Here are some, updated frequently: @DarkHorse Podcast Clips
    Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.
    Q&A Link: https://youtu.be/avqYqLCDRFQ
    Mentioned in this episode:

    These Seuss books: The Zax, Green Eggs and Ham, The Butter Battle Book, I Had Trouble in Getting to Solla Sollew, The Sneetches, The Shape of Me and Other Stuff, Oh the Places You’ll Go!, The Lorax, Horton Hears a Who!, McElligot’s Pool, And To Think That I Saw it on Mulberry Street, The Cat in the Hat, One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish

    CNN says: “6 Dr. Seuss books won't be published anymore because they portray people in 'hurtful and wrong' ways”: https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/02/us/dr-seuss-books-cease-publication-trnd/index.html

    “Learning for Justice” says “It's Time to Talk About Dr. Seuss”: https://www.learningforjustice.org/magazine/its-time-to-talk-about-dr-seuss

    This 2019 paper says “The Cat is Out of the Bag: Orientalism, Anti-Blackness, and White Supremacy in Dr. Seuss's Children's Books”: https://sophia.stkate.edu/rdyl/vol1/iss2/4/

    On Being A Fish: https://inference-review.com/article/on-being-a-fish

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    #69: Evolution of Power (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream) Feb 27, 2021
    Show notes

    In this 69th in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we discuss the state of the world through an evolutionary lens. In this episode, we begin by discussing power, race and social media, specifically regarding the app Clubhouse. We talk about how Covid outcomes are affected by preexisting conditions, such as obesity and hypertension. We ask: should children be vaccinated, and are the reasons being proposed to do so justified? We review a truly sexist obituary of an esteemed scientist, and ask what should be done about it. And we review a new finding in octopi.
    DarkHorse merchandise now available at: store.darkhorsepodcast.org
    Find more from us on Bret’s website (https://bretweinstein.net) or Heather’s website (http://heatherheying.com).
    Become a member of the DarkHorse LiveStreams, and get access to an additional Q&A livestream every month. Join at Heather's Patreon.
    Like this content? Subscribe to the channel, like this video, follow us on twitter (@BretWeinstein, @HeatherEHeying), and consider helping us out by contributing to either of our Patreons or Bret’s Paypal.
    Looking for clips from #DarkHorseLivestreams? Here are some, updated frequently: @DarkHorse Podcast Clips
    Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.
    Q&A Link: https://youtu.be/yq45vlkDjDE
    Mentioned in this episode:

    O’Hearn et al 2021. Coronavirus Disease 2019 Hospitalizations Attributable to Cardiometabolic Conditions in the United States: A Comparative Risk Assessment Analysis, published in the Journal of American Heart Association:
    https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/epub/10.1161/JAHA.120.019259
    Vaccine trials ramp up in children and adolescents (Feb 26, 2021): https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/371/6532/874.full.pdf

    2019-20 Season’s Pediatric Flu Deaths Tie High Mark Set During 2017-18 Season, from the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2019-2020/2019-20-pediatric-flu-deaths.htm?web=1&wdLOR=c5656CABB-FBB6-CB48-AD0A-446F825CCC75

    Obituary of Hertha Ayrton: https://www.nature.com/articles/112800a0

    Call to retract the obituary of Hertha Ayrton: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00472-7?WT.ec_id=NATURE-20210225&utm_source=nature_etoc&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20210225&sap-outbound-id=CBFDD09F8D5DBA5A4D4963684E47377FB3D52DC8

    Perception: Feel the Light (a short story about what octopi can do, Feb 26, 2021): https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6532/twil?utm_campaign=toc_sci-mag_2021-02-25&et_rid=337917989&et_cid=3679411

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    DarkHorse Podcast with Tristan Harris & Bret Weinstein Feb 26, 2021
    Show notes

    Tristan is the Co-Founder and President of the Center for Humane Technology, and Co-Host of podcast "Your Undivided Attention".
    Find Tristan on Your Undivided Attention: https://www.humanetech.com/podcast
    Find Tristan on Twitter: @tristanharris
    Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.

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    #68: Drunk Without Power - or - Is That a Fact? (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream) Feb 20, 2021
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    In this 68th in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we discuss the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.In this episode, we begin by discussing ice storms and electrical outages, and what it suggests about differing ecologies. We review Daniel Schmactenberger’s categorization of “1st, 2nd, and 3rd person epistemics”, and discuss what they suggest about education. Meanwhile, the NYT argues for skipping the critical reasoning and going right to the answer. Modern fact-checkers are an existential threat to civilization. The NYT also thinks that ClubHouse’s “unfettered” conversations are a problem. The House Committee on Energy & Commerce is having a(nother) meeting on misinformation with big tech CEOs. Also, a group of activists got Wikipedia to take down a page on the lab leak hypothesis. Peter Embarek of the WHO commission explains why the lab leak hypothesis is unlikely (or does he?). Another new paper suggests that lab leak should be the default hypothesis. And finally: dung beetles, and what else they can offer us besides cool field projects.
    DarkHorse merchandise now available at: store.darkhorsepodcast.org
    Find more from us on Bret’s website (https://bretweinstein.net) or Heather’s website (http://heatherheying.com).
    Become a member of the DarkHorse LiveStreams, and get access to an additional Q&A livestream every month. Join at Heather's Patreon.
    Like this content? Subscribe to the channel, like this video, follow us on twitter (@BretWeinstein, @HeatherEHeying), and consider helping us out by contributing to either of our Patreons or Bret’s Paypal.
    Looking for clips from #DarkHorseLivestreams? Here are some, updated frequently: @DarkHorse Podcast Clips
    Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.
    Q&A Link: https://youtu.be/k7Qw3JbcwzM
    Mentioned in this episode:

    Bret’s conversation with Daniel Schmactenberger, at the 1:50:58 mark where Daniel discusses 1st, 2nd, and 3rd person epistemics: https://youtu.be/YPJug0s2u4w?t=665

    New York Times op-ed, Feb 18, 2021: Don’t Go Down the Rabbit Hole: Critical thinking, as we’re taught to do it, isn’t helping in the fight against misinformation. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/opinion/fake-news-media-attention.html
    House Committee on Energy & Commerce is having a hearing with Facebook, Google and Twitter CEOs on “misinformation and disinformation plaguing online platforms” (Feb 18, 2021 Press Release): https://energycommerce.house.gov/newsroom/press-releases/ec-committee-announces-hearing-with-tech-ceos-on-the-misinformation-and
    The Lab Leak hypothesis wikipedia entry was “fact-checked” out of existence by a small band of motivated activists. Here’s a WayBackMachine version of it: https://web.archive.org/web/20210210045619/https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lab_leak_hypothesis
    Peter Embarek interviewed by Science Magazine the WHO commission that was in Wuhan (Feb 14, 2021): https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/politics-was-always-room-who-mission-chief-reflects-china-trip-seeking-covid-19-s
    Latham & Wilson 2021. Why China and the WHO Will Never Find a Zoonotic Origin For the COVID-19 Pandemic Virus. Feb 16, 2021: https://www.independentsciencenews.org/commentaries/why-china-and-the-who-will-never-find-a-zoonotic-origin-for-the-covid19-pandemic-virus/
    Humble dung beetles may be ideal DNA detectors for animal surveys. Feb 19, 2021: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/humble-dung-beetles-may-be-ideal-dna-detectors-animal-surveys

    Heather on Meghan Murphy’s channel: The Same Drugs: Heather Heying on gender identity, Twitter, and the lab leak theory: https://youtu.be/eT-BETzAnjc

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