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    DAOn the Rabbit Hole

    DAOn the Rabbit Hole is the official RabbitHole podcast and is the go-to podcast for people to learn about Web3.

    By going down the rabbit hole with experts on a variety of topics like economics, psychology, politics, history, art, technology, and more, we hope to help crypto natives and crypto-curious individuals think about how they can contribute to the Web3 ecosystem while simultaneously helping our Web2 listeners become interested in learning more.

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    S2 E1: NFTs and the Future of Music (Cherie Hu) May 23, 2022
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    On this episode of DAOn the Rabbit Hole, we’re talking to Cherie Hu, Co-Founder of Water and Music, a research publication focused on the intersection of music and tech which has recently undergone the process of becoming a DAO.

    We kicked off the conversation discussing the state of the web2 music industry today and how blockchain technology and NFTs offer an alternative business model for musical artists and their fans.

    We discuss how digital scarcity is possible in the music industry, which is typically thought of as not scarce at all, with unlimited music streaming virtually for free. Cherie says that what is scarce however, is the relationship between artists and their fans, and it is this scarcity that NFTs can monetize. Cherie also lays out for us her definition of a music NFT and shares how these NFTs can be used to enhance the relationship between artists and their fans.

    Next, we break down some big topics into simpler terms. We go over the ways in which fans can acquire NFTs from their favorite web3 music artists and ways that artists can start onboarding themselves into web3. We dive into the complicated topic of DAOs and break down some possible definitions of a DAO. We discuss the creator economy and how NFTs can benefit not only artists, but their fans as well.

    Finally we wrap up our conversation by leaving you with some advice on how to onboard into web3 and get started with music NFTs. We hope you enjoy this episode of DAOn the Rabbit Hole!

    To continue this conversation and stay up to date on all things DAOn the Rabbit Hole, you can follow Anay on Twitter @anaysim and RabbitHole @rabbithole_gg. You can also follow Cherie on Twitter @cheriehu42.

    ⌛ TIMESTAMPS:

    0:00 Intro

    1:07 State of the music industry today

    4:09 How blockchain technology can affect the music industry

    11:35 What defines a music NFT?

    14:56 How does digital scarcity work in the music space?

    18:03 How to acquire a token from a musical artist

    21:31 Web3 maximalist ideals in the NFT music space

    27:02 Defining a DAO

    32:31 Co-ownership and the creator economy

    37:44 Onboarding web2 audiences into web3

    43:11 Getting started in music NFTs

    47:21 Follow Cherie!

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    DISCLAIMER: The information in this video is the opinion of the speaker(s) only and is for informational purposes only. You should not construe it as investment advice, tax advice, or legal advice, and it does not represent any entity's opinion but those of the speaker(s). For investment or legal advice, please seek a duly licensed professional.


    S1 E20: Breaking Down Celestia, the First Modular Blockchain Network (Aditi) Mar 04, 2022
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    On this episode of DAOn the Rabbit Hole, we’re chatting with Aditi, who initially became enthralled with blockchain technology after witnessing Vitalik himself in a green cat shirt, command a sea of financial businessmen in suits. Today she works for the first modular blockchain network, Celestia.

    Aditi dives into how Celestia differs from traditional layer 1 blockchains, how it separates consensus from computation and the difference between data availability and data storage. We discuss rollups and their compatibility with Celestia as well as the kinds of applications that Celestia could benefit in the future.

    Finally, we look forward to what 2022 has in store for Celestia and what you can expect to see from them in the year ahead.

    To continue this conversation and stay up to date on all things DAOn the Rabbit Hole, you can follow Anay on Twitter @anay_sim and RabbitHole @rabbithole_gg. You can follow our guest, Aditi, on Twitter @adeets_22.

    ⌛ TIMESTAMPS:

    0:00 Intro

    1:12 Aditi’s Background

    3:34 Overview of Celestia

    5:09 Celestia and blockchain scaling

    7:06 Data availability vs. data storage

    9:29 How Celestia differs from traditional blockchains

    10:32 What is a rollup?

    12:42 The two kinds of rollups

    19:24 Exciting projects that can be enabled by Celestia

    23:30 Celestia in 2022

    25:30 How Celestia can help developers in the long run

    27:04 This or that

    29:15 Follow Aditi!

    🐇 GET CURIOUS 🐇

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    DISCLAIMER: The information in this video is the opinion of the speaker(s) only and is for informational purposes only. You should not construe it as investment advice, tax advice, or legal advice, and it does not represent any entity's opinion but those of the speaker(s). For investment or legal advice, please seek a duly licensed professional.


    S1 E19: The Future of Work (Tina He) Mar 02, 2022
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    On this episode of DAOn the Rabbit Hole, we’re chatting with Station founder, Tina He. Station is a hub where DAO contributors can come together, discover, and participate in the most exciting places in web3.

    Growing up in China, Tina was always a writer and creator who looked to challenge the current system. Her status quo-challenging nature and entrepreneurial spirit led her to both journalism and the USA. After a stint writing about AI at Bloomberg, Tina discovered that her true love was for technology and narrative design.

    In this conversation, Tina tells us all about how web3 brings together so many things that she is passionate about. We talk about the power of web3 and to allow new forms of work and coordination, the problems that arise alongside these new opportunities, and some possible solutions. We also discuss systems for incentivizing and rewarding DAO participation, and the impact of web3 on digital identity.

    Speaking on Station, Tina explains how she wants to bring the open-source nature and interoperability of web3 to human data and operations. She believes that Station will not only be a one stop shop for employee onboarding in web3, but a robust discovery platform that DAOs and contributors can leverage.

    To continue this conversation and stay up to date on all things DAOn the Rabbit Hole, you can follow Diana on Twitter @ddwchen and RabbitHole @rabbithole_gg. You can stay up to date with Tina on Twitter @fkpxls.

    ⌛ TIMESTAMPS:

    0:00 Intro

    1:00 Tina’s Background

    5:47 What is Station?

    9:14 Station’s use cases

    10:16 Aligning the incentives of contributors and companies

    12:41 The future of Station

    14:36 Station’s voting mechanism

    17:31 How Station works with DAO contributors

    21:14 Problems and solutions in today’s DAOs

    25:46 Incentivizing and rewarding DAO contributors

    29:23 Community and identity in web3

    36:38 Follow Tina!

    37:30 This or That

    🐇 GET CURIOUS 🐇

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    Support: https://discord.gg/vTqWnbBr

    🎩 GET SOCIAL 🎩

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    Discord: https://discord.gg/rmvpRdRdMv

    DISCLAIMER: The information in this podcast is the opinion of the speaker(s) only and is for informational purposes only. You should not construe it as investment advice, tax advice, or legal advice, and it does not represent any entity's opinion but those of the speaker(s). For investment or legal advice, please seek a duly licensed professional.


    S1 E18: Democratizing Access to NFTs (Cryptnotiq) Feb 28, 2022
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    On this episode of DAOn the Rabbit Hole, we’re chatting with Cryptnotiq, founder of Fraktal. Fraktal is an NFT fractionalization ecosystem consisting of the Fraktal Protocol, their native governance token ($FRAK), and the Fraktal DAO.

    Cryptnotiq brings us back to the first days of Fraktal - a project that began as a workaround for sharing revenue generated from music NFT sales. The result is a protocol that allows many people to share ownership over one NFT, opening the doors to all types of new applications.

    Cryptnotiq explains the many use cases for fractionalizing NFTs, including increased liquidity and co-ownership. We also discuss the advantages of NFT fractionalization as well as some common misconceptions.

    The Fraktal Protocol is entirely governed by Fraktal DAO - a decentralized community of $FRAK holders that protects against any wrongful extraction, and gets rewarded in the process.

    Cryptnotiq looks to the future of NFTs and DAOs with optimism, and shares his thoughts on the potential impact of this new technology.

    To continue this conversation and stay up to date on all things DAOn the Rabbit Hole, you can follow Diana on Twitter @ddwchen and RabbitHole @rabbithole_gg. You can learn more about Fraktal on Twitter @FraktalNFT and on their website https://www.fraktal.io/.

    ⌛ TIMESTAMPS:

    0:00 Intro

    0:57 Cryptnotiq Intro

    2:03 NFT Fractionalization

    3:02 Use cases of fractionalized NFTs

    4:50 Advantages of fractionalized NFTs

    5:50 Misconceptions of Fractionalized NFTs

    6:36 Fraktal Protocol

    7:46 Fractionalization and NFT pricing

    8:38 Fraktal and Charged Particles

    11:06 Fractionalized NFTs and NFT DAOs

    11:59 Fraktal DAO

    15:56 How to get Frak

    16:36 Fraktal Sub DAOs

    18:18 Incentivizing Fraktal DAO

    12:10 Comparing Fraktal and Fractional.art

    21:38 DAO Structure

    23:14 The future of NFTs and DAOs

    26:48 Government and DAOs

    29:18 This or that

    30:29 Follow Cryptnotiq!

    🐇 GET CURIOUS 🐇

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    Build your skills: https://app.rabbithole.gg/skills

    🕳️ GET LEARNING 🕳️

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    Support: https://discord.gg/vTqWnbBr

    🎩 GET SOCIAL 🎩

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    Twitter: https://twitter.com/rabbithole_gg

    Discord: https://discord.gg/rmvpRdRdMv

    DISCLAIMER: The information in this video is the opinion of the speaker(s) only and is for informational purposes only. You should not construe it as investment advice, tax advice, or legal advice, and it does not represent any entity's opinion but those of the speaker(s). For investment or legal advice, please seek a duly licensed professional.


    S1 E17: Building a Trustless and Portable Identity and Reputation System With DIDs (Evin McMullen) Feb 25, 2022
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    On this episode of DAOn the Rabbit Hole, we’re talking with Evin McMullen. Evin is the co-founder of Disco, a company working to bring decentralized identifiers to the web3 party.

    Evin has long understood the value of data and the role it plays in our daily lives. In the web3 space, we finally have the opportunity to take control of that data and use it in new and exciting ways. Evin explains how all of this data comes together to create our digital identities and reputations, and explains how we can better organize and use the data that we choose to put on-chain.

    Evin talks about what types of information should and shouldn’t be put on-chain, and how a more robust reputation system can help us solve more interesting coordination problems. She also dives deep into decentralized identifiers and the important role they can play in aggregating the many names, accounts, and wallet addresses we use on a daily basis.

    To continue this conversation and stay up to date on all things DAOn the Rabbit Hole, you can follow Anay on Twitter @anay_sim and RabbitHole @rabbithole_gg. You can follow our guest, Evin McMullen, on Twitter @provenauthority.

    ⌛ TIMESTAMPS:

    0:00 Intro

    1:02 Evin’s Background

    6:18 Digital Identity and Identifiers

    12:22 Data and reputation on web2

    15:46 Creating a more robust web3 reputation system

    17:53 What are decentralized identifiers (DIDs)?

    23:44 Verifiable credentials

    25:49 Use-cases for DIDs

    29:37 How can we trust DIDs?

    34:40 Criticisms of DIDs

    42:19 What is Disco?

    48:00 Disco’s long term goals

    49:52 This or That

    🐇 GET CURIOUS 🐇

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    🎩 GET SOCIAL 🎩

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    Twitter: https://twitter.com/rabbithole_gg

    Discord: https://discord.gg/rmvpRdRdMv

    DISCLAIMER: The information in this video is the opinion of the speaker(s) only and is for informational purposes only. You should not construe it as investment advice, tax advice, or legal advice, and it does not represent any entity's opinion but those of the speaker(s). For investment or legal advice, please seek a duly licensed professional.


    S1 E16: Legal Issues in DAOs (Marta Belcher) Feb 23, 2022
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    On this episode of DAOn the Rabbit Hole, we’re chatting with Marta Belcher. As a cryptocurrency and civil liberties attorney, Marta wears a lot of hats. She is General Counsel at Protocol Labs, Special Counsel at Electronic Frontier Foundation, and President of the Filecoin Foundation. She focuses a lot of her time on DAOs and policy issues around digital privacy and civil liberties

    To kick off our talk, Marta tells us how she initially found crypto through her work with copyrights and patents back in 2015. Even before that, Marta actually crowd-sourced her graduation speech at Stanford. She’s always been interested in how we can make collective decision making stronger and more efficient. So naturally, she sees a lot of potential for web3 and DAOs.

    That being said, Marta explains some of the potential legal liabilities that DAOs need to be aware of. She gives us some advice on how to more safely structure these new organizations, and talks about the pros and cons of incorporating as an LLC or similar business entity.

    And while Marta certainly is a lawyer, she’s not your lawyer — so please do not take anything in this episode as legal advice. As always, DYOR.

    To continue this conversation and stay up to date on all things DAOn the Rabbit Hole, you can follow Diana on Twitter @ddwchen and RabbitHole @rabbithole_gg. You can follow our guest, Marta Belcher, on Twitter @MartaBelcher.

    ⌛ TIMESTAMPS:

    0:00 Intro

    1:50 Marta’s Background

    5:20 DAOs: technology doesn’t solve human issues

    8:14 DAOs and legal liability

    15:39 Wyoming crypto legislation

    17:55 Does a DAO’s size affect its legal standing?

    20:23 How DAO contributors can protect themselves

    24:51 International issues within DAOs

    26:40 Anonymity and privacy in crypto

    34:51 Creating a legal system that encourages DAOs

    38:47 This or That

    40:06 Follow Marta!

    🐇 GET CURIOUS 🐇

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    Build your skills: https://app.rabbithole.gg/skills

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    Support: https://discord.gg/vTqWnbBr

    🎩 GET SOCIAL 🎩

    -----------------------------

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/rabbithole_gg

    Discord: https://discord.gg/rmvpRdRdMv

    DISCLAIMER: The information in this video is the opinion of the speaker(s) only and is for informational purposes only. You should not construe it as investment advice, tax advice, or legal advice, and it does not represent any entity's opinion but those of the speaker(s). For investment or legal advice, please seek a duly licensed professional.


    S1 E15: An Introduction to DeSci and the Builders Behind It (Sarah and Alex) Feb 18, 2022
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    In this episode of DAOn the Rabbit Hole, we’re talking to Sarah and Alex. They’re leading figures in the Decentralized Science space, and together they co-founded LYNX, a data management system for user data collected through wearables. They’re here to talk about all things DeSci and their experiences building a company in this space.

    Sarah and Alex talk about how they found their way into DeSci from backgrounds in traditional science and blockchain. We discuss some of the problems traditional science is facing and how DeSci can solve them. Then we cover the issue of censorship, and how we can use blockchain to expand participation in science.

    Sarah and Alex also dive into LYNX — what it’s all about, the problems it solves, and how it uses blockchain. We talk about the dangers involved in centralized entities getting hold of our personal data from wearables, and some specific use cases for LYNX.

    Finally, we talk about collaboration in the DeSci community and how it compares to more traditional industries. Sarah and Alex share their long-term vision for LYNX and DeSci in general.

    To continue this conversation and stay up to date on all things DAOn the Rabbit Hole, you can follow Anay on Twitter @anay_sim and RabbitHole @rabbithole_gg. You can follow our guests, Sarah @Shamburgularara and Alex @XandraMcC on Twitter.

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    If you enjoyed this episode, please rate, subscribe, and share with your friends and family so we can keep taking you down the rabbit hole with us.


    S1 E14: Internet Culture & Online Communities (Gaby Goldberg) Feb 16, 2022
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    On this episode of DAOn the Rabbit Hole, we’re chatting to Gaby Goldberg. Gaby is an investor at TCG and has written extensively about internet culture and online communities.

    Gaby talks about her experiences growing up online and how she fell into the crypto world, and how the internet has evolved over time through Web1, Web2, and now Web3, along with how online culture has changed. We talk about how internet-native creators are defining what that culture looks like.

    We discuss how online relationships and interactions have changed over time, how we protect certain parts of our identity online, and how our digital identity is different across platforms. What are the differences between good internet culture and toxic internet culture?

    Gaby talks about DAOs, their benefits, the idea of community ownership, and how DAOs could alter the investment landscape. We discuss exclusivity and how to build a more inclusive and equitable Web3. Finally, Gaby shares what she thinks are some key community-building principles all DAOs should be following and tells us what she’s most excited about for the future in Web3.

    To continue this conversation and stay up to date on all things DAOn the Rabbit Hole, you can follow Anay on Twitter @anay_sim and RabbitHole @rabbithole_gg. You can follow our guest, Gaby Goldberg on Twitter @gaby_goldberg.

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    If you enjoyed this episode, please rate, subscribe, and share with your friends and family so we can keep taking you down the rabbit hole with us.


    S1 E13: The Intersection of Finance and Art (Sarah Meyohas) Feb 14, 2022
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    On this episode of DAOn the Rabbit Hole, we’re talking to Sarah Meyohas. She’s an NFT artist and VC at Spark Capital. She’s here to talk about her experiences in the space and some of the projects she’s currently involved in, bringing together finance and art.

    Sarah talks about her background studying both finance and art and how this led her into crypto. We chat about her early Bitchcoin project, how it came about, and the similarities with the later Damien Hirst project of the same name.

    We talk about how the culture around blockchain, digital art, and NFTs has changed over the last few years and the work that still needs to be done around gender equality and acceptance in this space.

    Sarah tells us about her Stock Performance project and her experiences bringing finance and art together. We talk about how people currently view NFT art and how Sarah would like it to be viewed. We discuss how art could be used to bring the NFT and DeFi communities together and make both more inclusive. Finally, Sarah shares her thoughts on the future and what she’s most excited about.

    To continue this conversation and stay up to date on all things DAOn the Rabbit Hole, you can follow Diana on Twitter @ddwchen and RabbitHole @rabbithole_gg. You can follow our guest, Sarah Meyohas, on Twitter @SarahMeyohas.

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    S1 E12: Building an Open Web with Ceramic (Lauren Feld) Feb 11, 2022
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    In today’s episode of DAOn the Rabbit Hole, we’re talking to Lauren Feld. She’s Head of Business Development at 3Box Labs, the team behind Ceramic Network, and she’s here to talk about the idea of sovereign data, the open web, and what Ceramic is doing in this field.

    Lauren shares her story of how she got into crypto from a background in psychology and working in consulting. She tells us what Web3 means to her, and dives into what Ceramic is and what problems it's trying to solve.

    We talk about how Ceramic is open-sourcing data models and the concept of composability of data. Many people hear about the open web and surrounding ideas and worry about the privacy of their data — Lauren dives into this and explains what steps we should be taking to maximize security.

    Lauren tells us about the kind of community being built at Ceramic, where it’s headed, and whether Web2 developers are coming on board. Finally, we talk about how companies are currently using Ceramic and the most exciting use cases today, along with the future of the platform and the upcoming token launch.

    To continue this conversation and stay up-to-date on all things DAOn the Rabbit Hole, you can follow Diana on Twitter @ddwchen, Anay @anay_sim, and RabbitHole @rabbithole_gg. You can follow our guest, Lauren Feld, on Twitter @web3lauren.

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