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All things Kooky and Spooky in the Sooner (or Cowboy) state! Native Oklahomans and cousins, Jess and Tiff, explore all the dark history, paranormal, and true crime in their home state.
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Are you ready for one of our kookiest (and honestly, spookiest) stories ever? Eugenics is the study aimed at improving human populations by controlling reproduction to enhance desirable heritable traits. Defined by Merriam-Webster as the practice of selective breeding, it gained prominence through Sir Francis Galton's efforts but faced significant criticism, particularly after its adoption by the Nazis to justify their inhumane treatment of marginalized groups. In the United States, legislative attempts at human sterilization began in the late 19th century, with Indiana passing the first successful statute in 1907. The Supreme Court of Oklahoma later upheld sterilization laws, allowing compulsory sterilization for habitual criminals, which sparked considerable controversy and unrest among inmates.
A notable case involved Jack T. Skinner, who was classified as a habitual criminal after a series of offenses, including theft and armed robbery. Under the 1935 Oklahoma Habitual Criminal Sterilization Act, Skinner's case highlighted the inequalities of the law, which exempted certain white-collar crimes while targeting less affluent individuals. Despite facing significant legal challenges and societal pushback against eugenics, Skinner's legal representation argued for equal protection under the law. The U.S. Supreme Court eventually ruled in Skinner's favor in 1942, emphasizing the need for strict scrutiny regarding sterilization laws, which effectively curbed punitive sterilizations. While the ruling did not directly overturn previous cases, it set a precedent for protecting individual rights in the face of state power, influencing future legal standards.
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Today's episode presents a complex and sensitive case involving former police officer Daniel Ken Holtzclaw, who was charged with multiple counts of sexual assault against African American women while on duty. This case, suggested by listener Nicole Smith, highlights the troubling dynamics of power, race, and gender within the justice system. Holtzclaw, who had a promising athletic career and graduated with a criminal justice degree, was accused of targeting vulnerable women, often those with addiction issues, by running background checks to exploit their situations. The case escalated after a traffic stop in June 2014 led to a formal report by one victim, Jannie Ligons, who bravely came forward, prompting an extensive investigation revealing multiple allegations against Holtzclaw.
As the trial unfolded, it raised critical discussions around police brutality and sexual violence. Holtzclaw was ultimately found guilty of 18 out of 36 charges, sentenced to 263 years in prison. However, the story doesn’t stop there…
This case remains controversial, with arguments about the credibility of the victims and evidence presented during the trial. Supporters of Holtzclaw claim various inconsistencies in the prosecution's case, suggesting that the investigation may have coerced women into testifying against him. The case exemplifies the challenges of navigating allegations against a figure of authority, and it continues to evoke strong opinions about justice, accountability, and the treatment of marginalized communities within the legal system.
Do to the nature of this case, listener discretion is advised.
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EPISODE 100!!!!! 🎉
FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU! Thank you to all our listeners and fans! You all are simply the best! We wouldn’t be here without you! You have truly allowed us to grow and share what we love…the kooky and spooky of our home state!
With that being said, join you favorite cousins as Jess gets into this week’s spooky tales…one in OKC and one in Tulsa; The Hatchet and Hex Houses.
Within the historic Gatewood neighborhood of Oklahoma City lies Carey Place, a street lined with 1930s Mediterranean and Spanish-style homes. The street is known for the urban legends and ghost stories surrounding its homes, particularly the "Hatchet House" where a young girl named Carey was allegedly brutally murdered years ago. The house's distinctive hatchet-carved shutters and the red-painted porch and driveway said to conceal bloodstains from the crime add to the eerie lore. While the details of the legend vary, the neighborhood embraces its haunted reputation, with residents going all-out for Halloween celebrations that draw hundreds of trick-or-treaters each year. Other homes on the street, like one with an irreparable bullet hole in the window, also have their own mysterious stories that contribute to Carey Place's reputation as Oklahoma City's "most haunted neighborhood."
The Tulsa Hex House was a real-life haunted house in Tulsa, Oklahoma with a dark history. In the 1940s, Carolann Smith, a woman with a history of suspicious deaths and insurance fraud, held two women captive in the house's basement for 8 years. Smith had convinced the women, Willetta Horner and Virginia Evans, that she was a healer who could save them from damnation, and subjected them to cruelty, torture, and mind control. Police eventually discovered the women and charged Smith, but she received little punishment. The house was later demolished, but the property remains haunted, with reports of strange occurrences like cars moving on their own in the parking lot that now stands on the site. The Hex House has become a notorious part of Tulsa's history, a chilling tale of religious enslavement, fraud, and the paranormal.
Thanks again for all your love and support! We truly are so appreciative of you!
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James Brown Miller, also known as Deacon Jim or Killin' Jim or Killer Miller, was born in 1861 in Arkansas. As a child, he was accused of murdering his grandparents but was never convicted. He later killed his brother-in-law and was charged but the conviction was overturned. Over the years, Miller gained a reputation as a violent outlaw, working as a deputy sheriff, city marshal, and hired assassin. He was involved in numerous killings, often using a shotgun as his weapon of choice, and managed to evade conviction multiple times due to his charming demeanor and skillful defense lawyers.
In 1909, Miller was arrested and charged with the murder of a cattle rancher in Oklahoma. Fearing he would be acquitted again, a mob of 30-40 people broke into the jail, dragged Miller and three other men to an abandoned livery stable, and lynched them. Miller's reign of terror, which spanned around 40 years, finally came to an end. Not a single person was ever questioned, tried, or convicted for these murders. A photograph of the lynching was later sold in tourist shops in Ada, Oklahoma for years afterwards.
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Oklahoma Scoundrels: History’s Most Notorious Outlaws,Bandits & Gangsters by
100 Oklahoma Outlaws, Gangsters, and Lawmen 1839-1939 by Dan Anderson with
One of Oklahoma’s favorite pastimes is spending those hot, summer days at any of our beautiful Oklahoma lakes. Pair that with holiday weekend, and you got yourself summer time gold! The July 4th weekend in 1999 had the markings of just that. However, at some point during that weekend, 14-year-old Bobbie Wofford left her friends to hang out with a newer, rougher crowd…never to be seen alive again. Witnesses placed her talking to a man at a gas station. She may have also been seen at a local bar. On Nov. 4, 1999, her decomposing body was found in the woods.
This week, Jess will walk us through the timeline of events; those last seen moments; the witness testimony; and the confession from serial killer Tommy Lynn Sells. The evidence linking him to the case though is shaky, and Bobbie's death remains unsolved. Her picture and story appears in a set of cold cases card decks. But that is exactly where the case stands…cold. A $5,000 reward is offered, and kookily enough, the FBI profile of the killer has never been publicly released.
This tale is twisty and turny…and may be a bit mature for some listeners…listener discretion is advised.
Special thanks to listener Megan Pope Whitehead for recommending this case!!
If you have any information on the unsolved murder of Bobbie Wofford please contact the Kingfisher County Sheriff at (405) 375-4242.
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Who’s ready for a cryptid to kick off spooky season? Still riding the high of our season premier, Tiff dives into the most famous (or infamous?) cryptid of them all…BIGFOOT!!!
Bigfoot, also known as Sasquatch, is a legendary creature described as a large, hairy, human-like being said to live in North America's forests, particularly in the Pacific Northwest. Featured heavily in American and Canadian folklore, Bigfoot has become a cultural icon with a dedicated following among cryptozoologists who seek to provide evidence of its existence through anecdotal reports, photographs, and other dubious claims. Despite this enthusiasm, the scientific hasn’t completely jumped on board yet. The origins of the Bigfoot legend can be traced to European wild man figures and indigenous tales, with similar creatures appearing in various cultures worldwide.
In the United States, particularly in Oklahoma, there has been a recent resurgence of Bigfoot interest, marked by numerous sightings and dedicated events, such as the annual Bigfoot conference in Honobia. Reports from locals describe encounters with a creature resembling Bigfoot, often characterized by its enormous footprints and foul odor, leading to nicknames like "skunk ape." Researchers like David Wilbanks have documented numerous sightings and experiences in Oklahoma's Kiamichi Mountains and other regions, where they have sought to gather evidence and understand the creature's elusive nature. While there remains skepticism about the existence of Bigfoot, the fascination and cultural significance surrounding it continue to thrive, prompting ongoing exploration and investigation into this mysterious figure.
So…what do you think…is there something lurking in the woods?
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Eerie Oklahoma by Heather Woodward
Kiamichi Bigfoot: Investigating the Oklahoma Sasquatch by David Wilbanks
@bigfoot.society on TikTok
YOO-WHO! WE’RE BAAAAACCCCCKKKKK!!
Welcome, cousins, to SEASON 3, of Oklahoma’s kookiest and spookiest podcast!
Blame it all on our roots…Jess is starting this season with an outlaw episode!
Marlow, Ok, derives its name from the Marlow family, particularly the notorious Marlow brothers who became infamous after the town's establishment. Located in the northwestern quarter of Stephens County, Marlow is situated near major highways and the historic Chisholm Trail. The story of the Marlow family begins with Dr. Williamson Marlow, who, after a series of personal tragedies, became a wandering physician. He and his family settled in the area during the 1880s, where they engaged in farming and trading, eventually becoming embroiled in conflicts that led to their notoriety.
The saga of the Marlow brothers escalated when Boone Marlow shot a cowboy in self-defense, prompting a series of legal troubles that culminated in a mob ambush. In a dramatic confrontation, Boone and his brothers defended themselves against a vigilante mob, resulting in casualties on both sides. Despite being wrongfully accused of horse theft and murder charges, the brothers eventually escaped and sought refuge in Colorado, where they were embraced by the community. The tale of the Marlow brothers, marked by bravery and resilience, has been immortalized in popular culture, including the film "The Sons of Katie Elder," showcasing their legendary status in American history.
We are kicking this season off with a BANG! Join us all season long as we continue to cover all things kooky and spooky in the state of Oklahoma!
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BONUS EPISODE!
Your favorite cousins were thrilled to ask author Janie Nesbitt Jones some questions regarding Red Hall’s infamous tale. This week, listen to the questions Tiff and Jess asked Mrs. Jones, and Mrs. Jones’ answers. If you have any questions for the author, feel free to reach out on her facebook page!!
Just a reminder…this is our last new episode until September when Season 3 will start with Jess telling us a tale about some dark, Oklahoma history!
Thanks for all your continued love and support this season! We are so appreciative and blessed by each and every one of you! We can’t wait to bring you more KOOKY and SPOOKY tales in season 3.
Don’t forget! If you haven’t listened to Episodes 89-94, please do so now! We can’t have our cousins being lost!
**Please check out Janie Nesbitt Jones’ book “The Arkansas Hitchhike Killer: James Waybern ‘Red’ Hall” wherever you get your books!
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The end is here! This week, Tiff wraps up our season finale's deep dive!
Now that the prosecution has spoken their piece, it’s time for the defense to attempt to clear Red’s “good name”...
Last week, we listened to Tiff describe how the prosecution could barely get two words in before the defense had some cockamamie objection in response. THIS WEEK, Tiff walks us through the defense’s side, taking us through numerous doctors and family members of Red’s. Was there something cognitively wrong with Red Hall? Did family members believe Red’s personality was backed by family history? Does Counselor Moody allow witnesses to speak for more than 3 words? If you thought the first part of the trial was a doozy, just wait until you hear this last part!
Strap in as we cover the end of the trail all the way through sentencing and *SPOILER* execution. What are your feelings? Did Red get a fair and just trial? Was justice served to Fay’s family and the fellow victims? Does Moody's antics belong in a modern courtroom? You decided as your favorite cousins conclude the saga that was James Waybern Hall.
Don’t forget! If you haven’t listened to Episodes 89-93, please do so now! We can’t have our cousins being lost!
**Please check out Janie Nesbitt Jones’ book “The Arkansas Hitchhike Killer: James Waybern ‘Red’ Hall” wherever you get your books!
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Time for Arkansas’ trial of the 40s! James Waybern Hall, aka Red, was going to be tried for his crime against his wife Fayrene. The state felt this was the strongest case they had in placing and keeping Red behind bars. This week, Tiff will walk us through the State’s case against Red. And of course, Red’s attorney will pull every string he can in an attempt to get his client off with an insanity plea…surprised? We weren’t either.
This trial is, at times, a circus event, with the defense interrupting, objecting, and frustrating witnesses and the judge. Was this the plan all along? You be the judge…lol! And with a pile of evidence, the defense will attempt to convince the jury that Fay’s death is anything BUT obvious…something the prosecution easily feels they can prove.
Don’t forget! If you haven’t listened to Episodes 89-92, please do so now! We can’t have our cousins being lost!
**Please check out Janie Nesbitt Jones’ book “The Arkansas Hitchhike Killer: James Waybern ‘Red’ Hall” wherever you get your books!
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This week, Jess takes us into part 4 of our season finale James Waybern “Red” Hall…the Arkansas Hitchhike Killer.
The investigation into the murders connected to Red Hall revealed disturbing details about his actions and mindset. He provided law enforcement with detailed descriptions of his crimes, even taking them to the site where he left his wife, Fay. The identification of Fay was made possible through a jawbone, and as detectives continued their inquiry, they discovered that Red had traveled to California after her murder. This raised suspicions that he might have committed more murders during his travels, prompting authorities to share his picture and fingerprints nationwide. As information poured in from various states, law enforcement sought connections to other unsolved cases, including the Lambert/Nipper killings in Kansas and other murders in Oklahoma and Texas.
As the investigations progressed, Red Hall's personality and interactions with law enforcement became increasingly notable. Despite his heinous acts, he managed to charm those around him, leading to moments of dark humor and disturbing revelations. During his trips with police, he reenacted some murders and expressed a bizarre sense of pride in the attention he garnered, even likening his situation to a carnival sideshow. Red's confessions, filled with contradictions, included claims of having killed numerous individuals, yet he continued to deny involvement in specific cases despite the mounting evidence against him. The investigations highlighted the complexities of Red Hall's character, leaving many questions unanswered as law enforcement agencies worked tirelessly to piece together his dark past.
Don’t forget! If you haven’t listened to Episodes 89-91, please do so now! We can’t have our cousins being lost!
**Please check out Janie Nesbitt Jones’ book “The Arkansas Hitchhike Killer: James Waybern ‘Red’ Hall” wherever you get your books!
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When it comes to serial killers, there are some things that many have in common; childhood abuse, head injuries, discipline and strictness in the name of religion, submissive parent while the other is domineering…Red Hall seemed to check many, if not all these boxes. Narcissism is also a characteristic of these types of people. Red loved to talk…and talking about his crimes was no exception!
When Little Rock PD and the Arkansas State Police questioned Red Hall, it didn’t take much longer than 2 hours to get him to start talking. And talking he did! Investigators not only got motive, but they got blow-by-blow accounts of each death.
This week Tiff will take you through Red’s confession and account on what happened each day, on the roads, while hitchhiking. If his story hasn’t convinced you yet to not hitchhike, perhaps this one will…
This is part 3 of our season finale deep dive covering The Arkansas Hitchhike Killer James Wayber ‘Red’ Hall. Please listen to episodes 89 and 90 before you listen to this one!
**Please check out Janie Nesbitt Jones’ book “The Arkansas Hitchhike Killer: James Waybern ‘Red’ Hall” wherever you get your books!
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This week Tiff takes talks us through part 2, the crimes portion, of our deep dive into the life of serial killer James Waybern Hall.
James Waybern Hall, also known as Red, was involved in a series of crimes spanning various states in the late 1930s and early 1940s. He was suspected of multiple murders and was known to hitchhike and commit violent acts. His first victim was believed to be his own brother, followed by a string of murders in different locations such as Kansas, Arkansas, and Oklahoma. The details of his crimes were gruesome, with victims found beaten and shot. Red's behavior led to suspicions and investigations conducted by law enforcement across different states.
As the investigation unfolded, more connections were made between the murders, and Red's involvement became clearer. He was known for his constant traveling and encounters with various individuals before his eventual arrest. The police gathered evidence linking him to multiple killings, including the discovery of a crucial firearm. Despite initially appearing calm during interrogations, Red's demeanor shifted when faced with incriminating evidence. The investigation into Red's crimes continued, revealing a pattern of violence and deception that kept authorities on high alert.
**Please check out Janie Nesbitt Jones’ book “The Arkansas Hitchhike Killer: James Waybern ‘Red’ Hall” wherever you get your books!
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Well cousins, it’s that time again! Time for our season finale shows! What a season we have had! But don’t fret…it isn’t over yet! You still have a few more weeks before we take our August break!
This Season 2 final deep dive was requested to us by listener Janie Nesbitt Jones! We traveled to Arkansas in May of 2023 to Crime Con. There is where we met Ms. Jones. This is where we learned about a man who would peak our podcasting interests. A man by the name of James Waybern Hall, or Red, for short, who became one of our region’s prolific serial killers. James Hall is known as “The Arkansas Hitchhike Killer”. Ms. Jones reached out to us this May, and the crazy thing was, we were looking for topics for our season finale…and Red’s story was in our choices! So we dedicate these episodes to author and expert Janie Nebitt Jones!
James Waybern Hall honestly had all the makings of a serial killer…strict, zealot-like religious upbringing, abusive father, submissive mother, a head injury…in addition, Red, as he was often called, grew up on a farm where their meals came straight from the field to table…perhaps helping to appease a fascination with death. Throughout his early life, Red seemed to be charming, manipulative, and a tad bit deceitful. He talked a good game, in other words. He dabbled in petty thief, but that didn’t always bring the thrill it seemed he needed at times. Red LOVED traveling…making stops in Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and as far away as Arizona and California.
So buckle up, cousins. Jess is going to kick off this ride with some background info regarding Arkansas’ notorious murderer. Let’s take a ride through the 1940s. Just be careful who you pick-up along the side of the road…
**Please check out Janie Nesbitt Jones’ book “The Arkansas Hitchhike Killer: James Waybern ‘Red’ Hall” wherever you get your books!
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John Stink, a legendary Osage figure, also known as the Osage Ghost, was surrounded by myths and tales of his ability to come back from the dead (maybe they should have called him the Osage Zombie?). He lived a simple life close to nature, rejecting material wealth and preferring the company of his beloved dogs. Despite various versions of his supposed "deaths" and returns, John Stink remained a mysterious and enigmatic character in Pawhuska until his ACTUAL passing in 1938 at the age of 75. But perhaps his spirit has decided to walk the streets of Pawhuska once more…do you hear those dogs barking?
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While traveling last week, Tiff was introduced to someone, or rather, a group of someones, that she had never heard of…the Bald Knobbers of the Ozark region of southwest Missouri.
This group of vigilantes reigned from 1885 to 1889. They wore black horned hoods with white faces painted on them, derived their name from the nearby Ozark Mountains' bald knob summits. The group aimed to protect life and property, assist law enforcement, combat corruption, and uphold community values. The group's actions aimed to restore order in a post-war society plagued by lawlessness and economic struggles. But this wouldn’t be a dark history lesson if something didn’t go drastically wrong…
The Bald Knobbers' story has left a lasting impact on Ozark culture. From plays and tourism developments to a long-running variety show and even a documentary, their presence is still felt today. Despite their controversial methods and violent history, the Bald Knobbers' role in history remains a subject of debate. Similar to other vigilante groups of the time, they emerged in response to a lack of effective law enforcement and societal challenges. While some view them as law enforcement militias, others see them as criminal gangs or groups seeking to reclaim power lost during the Civil War. As descendants continue to explore and share their stories, the Bald Knobbers remain a complex and intriguing chapter in the history of the Ozarks. So strap into this deep dive with Tiff as she explores the illustrious history of bald knobbers…the twists and turns are only rivaled by the roller coaster that portrays their misdeeds!
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Wikipedia; Bald Knobbers
Matthew J. Hernando, The Bald Knobbers of Southwest Missouri, 1885-1889: A Study of Vigilante Justice in the Ozarks
Bill Tilghman, born on July 4, 1854, had an intriguing life as a quintessential Old West Cowboy and Lawman. Tilghman started his journey as a buffalo hunter at the age of 16, becoming known for his exceptional shooting skills with a Sharps rifle. Throughout his time as a buffalo hunter, he befriended notable figures like Wyatt Earp and Bat Masterson, but also engaged in illegal activities such as stealing horses from Native American tribes. Despite this, Tilghman transitioned into law enforcement in Dodge City, Kansas, working alongside figures like the Earps and Mastersons.
Tilghman's lawman career further blossomed when he became part of "The Three Guardsmen," renowned for their pursuit of outlaws in the Indian Territory. His most notable arrest of Bill Doolin in 1895 solidified his status as a national hero. As time progressed, Tilghman's life took unexpected turns, including a foray into Hollywood with the production of "The Passing of the Oklahoma Outlaws." However, tragedy struck in 1924 when Tilghman was fatally shot in Cromwell, Oklahoma, by U.S. Prohibition Officer Wiley Lynn. Despite Lynn's controversial acquittal in court, Tilghman's legacy lives on through the Bill Tilghman Award, recognizing individuals who uphold the highest standards of law enforcement in Oklahoma.
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“100 Oklahoma Outlaws, Gangsters, and Lawman: 1839 - 1939” by Dan Anderson and Laurence Yadon
“Dodge City: Wyatt Earp, Bat Masterson, and the Wickedest Town in the American West” by Tom Clavin
Oklahoma Historical Society - The Three Guardsmen
Two of Oklahoma’s most notable and earliest theaters are The Constantine Theater and The Poncan Theatre. Both were early halls for entertainment in Oklahoma. As we return from our 2 weeks off, Tiff dives right into the spooky tales of these historic theaters.
The Constantine is found in Pawhuska, and is the second oldest theater in Oklahoma. It traces its history to pre-statehood, as well as, participated in many events such as plays, movies, vaudeville, and even oil lease auctions. Touted as being the “finest opera house in the southwest”, Pawhuska built a facility it could be proud of. Yet, over the years, hard times befell it. Eventually, it became abandoned until the fine folks of Pawhuska decided it needed saving. Almost 40 years later, The Constantine is a venue that once again hosts an array of activities…including the spooky type. From turn of the century actors to former managers and a secret tunnel, The Constantine boasts not only the history, but perhaps, the talent, to make things go BUMP anytime!
Just about 45 minutes west is a theater straight out of the roaring 20s! The Poncan Theatre, at its opening in 1927, boasted 1,200 seats! Acts from around the country could be seen there, including Will Rogers, Ethel Barrymore, and more recently, Blake Shelton! Like many theaters of its time, The Poncan experienced its ups and downs. But today, it continues as a working theater, one you can catch a movie on almost every day of the week. But beware, that might not be all that you catch…spirits are said to reach out and let you know that they are nearby. Maybe they just want to share the popcorn?
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Wikipedia: Constantine Theater, Poncan Theatre
Oklahoma Haunted Houses: Constantine Theater, Poncan Theatre
The Battle of Honey Springs, fought on July 17, 1863, was a significant event during the American Civil War in Indian Territory, now present-day Oklahoma. Jess takes a look at this historic battle in this week’s history episode. The battle took place on a rural countryside near Checotah and was the largest and most decisive conflict in the region during the war. It marked a key moment in the conflict between Union and Confederate forces in the area. The engagement, lasting four hours, resulted in the Union forces, including Black soldiers from the First Kansas Colored Volunteer Infantry Regiment, emerging victorious over the Confederates under Brigadier General Douglas H. Cooper.
The aftermath of the Battle of Honey Springs saw significant impacts on the region. The engagement reflected the diverse composition of the soldiers involved, with Black, Native American, Hispanic troops, and enhanced the legacy of the significance of the fight in ending slavery for many. In more recent times, efforts to commemorate and preserve the historic battlefield have culminated in the establishment of the Honey Springs Battlefield Park, including a visitor center with state-of-the-art exhibits detailing the events of the battle. This significant site serves as a reminder of the pivotal role played by the region in the Civil War and its lasting impact on the communities involved.
Honey Springs Battlefield Park is opened Tuesday through Saturday, 9 a.m. to 4:30 p.m and located 423159 E 1030 Road in Checotah. Check out their website for more info!
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This week Tiff wraps up the gruesome and horrific life of crime of one Franklin Delano Floyd. Last week, we left off where Franklin was awaiting trial on a burglary and assault case out of OKC. But what Franklin does while released is the true stuff of nightmares. September 12, 1994 would be a day many students at Indian Meridian Elementary School in Choctaw remember to this day. That is the day that Floyd waltzed into the school and kidnapped, not only the school principal, James Davis, but also Floyd’s “son” Anthony Michael Hughes. Even though Principal Davis would be found alive, Michael would never be seen, dead or alive, again. You read that right…Michael has never been found.
But that is only the tip of this episode’s iceberg. When the truck Floyd stole from Principal Davis that day in September is auctioned off, authorities receive a very peculiar phone call…It seems Floyd abandoned the truck without cleaning out some pretty convincing evidence. Meanwhile, while unusual and disturbing photos are being investigated in Kansas and Oklahoma, the skeletal remains of Cheryl Ann Commesso were discovered on the side of a highway in Florida. What could these two stories possibly have in common, you ask? Commesso was a known coworker and friend of Floyd’s deceased wife and Michael’s mother, Tonya Hughes…aka Sharon Marshall…aka Suzanne Sevakis.
As this knot of lies, abuse, crime, and evasion from police starts to unravel so does the truth behind just who Tonya is, and how depraved Franklin was.
Listener Discretion is advised. This is part 2 of a 2 parter over Franklin Delano Floyd.
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If you’ve watched Netflix's documentary “Girl in the Picture” (2022), you will be familiar with this week’s true crime dive. But do you really know the Oklahoma connections to this story? Franklin Delano Floyd may have a presidential sounding name, but he certainly didn’t have the charm and qualities to go with it. Stemming from a ROUGH childhood, Floyd made multiple life choices that were, well, bad. In part 1, Tiff dives into Franklin Floyd’s troubled past before he really left his mark in Oklahoma’s dark history.
Listener Discretion is advised. This is part 1 of a 2 parter over Franklin Delano Floyd.
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This season seems to be all about the school spooks! Jess jumps back into looking for ghosts and haunting tales, but this time, she stops in at the University of Oklahoma. From dog burials in the football field, to a rolling skating spirit in the old infirmary, OU doesn’t disappoint when it comes to keeping it kooky and spooky! As one of the three universities necessary for statehood (UCO, OSU, and OU), its rich tradition is due to its rich, and long history.
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“Campus Ghosts of Norman, Oklahoma” by Jeff Provine
“Haunted Oklahoma” by Jeff Provine
University of Oklahoma Website
With the recent tragedy in Baltimore, Maryland involving the Francis Scott Key Bridge, it reminded Tiff of a similar tragedy here in Oklahoma back in 2002…
The morning of Sunday, May 26, 2002, started as a normal day for many, until a tragic bridge collapse on the i40 bridge over the Arkansas River in Webbers Falls, OK shocked everyone. The accident resulted in 14 fatalities, 5 injuries, and extensive damage, with an estimated $30.1 million in losses. The collapse, caused by the captain's loss of consciousness possibly due to an abnormal heart rhythm, had far-reaching impacts, affecting families, communities, and leading to emergency response efforts involving multiple agencies, volunteers, and fishermen. Recovery and reconstruction efforts were swift, showcasing the Oklahoma spirit of unity.
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Most 21st birthdays are celebrated with fun filled evenings of pub crawls and fun times. At 21, most of us were more worried about where everyone was going Thursday night. No one plans for their 21st birthday to be their last birthday. But for one coed, that’s exactly what it was. Tracey Diane Neilson, born on January 5, 1960, was a woman known for her vibrant personality. She excelled in academics and sports, and exhibited a passion for life. She went on to join Pi Beta Phi Sorority at Oklahoma State University, where she met her future husband, Jeff Neilson, a pre-med student. They married in July 1980, and moved to Moore so Jeff could attend medical school; Tracey transferred to the University of Oklahoma. In the newlyweds’ apartment, on her 21st birthday, January 5, 1981, Tracey was found horrifically stabbed over 20 times. Despite extensive investigations by authorities, including a task force and technological advancements years later, her killer and motive remained elusive. Details emerged about YEARS LATER, but no conclusive leads were generated. Jeff Neilson and Tracey's family continued to seek closure, offering various rewards over the years for any information leading to the apprehension of her murderer.
Jess’ case this week is an unsolved, cold case. For any information regarding Tracey Neilson's murder, contact the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation at 800-522-8017 or email tips@osbi.ok.gov.
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https://oklahomacoldcases.org/tracey-neilson/
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/65142250/tracey-diane-neilson
https://morbidology.com/who-killed-tracey-neilson/
https://medium.com/@jennbaxter_69070/the-horrific-murder-of-tracey-neilson-46c2e27f0040
Are you a fan of mysterious creatures that may or may not exist? I’m talking, one in the company of wendigos, Moth Man, and BigFoot? Then Tiff has a story for you! The mysterious Pale Crawlers are mystifying entities that emerge at night. These humanoid creatures are thin, pale, and possess sharp claws, long limbs, and large black eyes, appearing fast, stealthy, and smart. They are commonly found in dark and eerie places, especially where evil activities occur, seeking shelter in shadows or dark areas to avoid sunlight that burns their pale skin. Pale Crawlers are known to mimic voices, access memories, and feed off fear, with abilities to camouflage, jump to great heights, and even manipulate thoughts. People encountering them often experience fear, obsession, and nightmares afterward, believing the creatures attach themselves like parasites to their souls. Escaping or combating them is challenging, requiring avoidance of interaction, prayers, and extreme measures like headshots with firearms. So before you decide on a late night stroll, take heed to the many sightings around our state, and decide if that midnight walk is worth it or not…
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It is a bold statement to say that one woman changed the course of rodeo history in Oklahoma, but if anyone fits that description, it is Lucille Mulhall.
Lucille Mulhall, born in 1885, grew up on a ranch in Oklahoma, showing remarkable talent in riding horses and roping at a very young age. Despite her desire to focus on ranch work, her mother insisted she attend school. Lucille's skills with horses and roping led to her becoming a renowned cowgirl, excelling in competitions and eventually performing in Wild West shows alongside notable figures like Will Rogers and Tom Mix. She even gained national attention when Theodore Roosevelt invited her to his inaugural parade.
As Lucille's career blossomed, she traveled extensively, winning competitions and gaining recognition as a skilled horsewoman. She faced challenges, including a decline in her career due to a controversial incident in a Chicago show. Despite setbacks, she continued to break barriers for women in rodeo, establishing herself as a pioneer in the sport and opening doors for future female competitors. So saddle up with Jess as she brings us the remarkable, glass-ceiling shattering COWGIRL Lucille Mulhall!
Sources:
“The 101 Ranch” by Ellsworth Collings and Alma Miller England
“Along Came a Cowgirl” by Chris Enss
“Oklahoma Originals” by Jonita Mullins
“Oklahoma Rodeo Women” by Tracey Hanshew
On May 6, 1984, Eddie Cash, a kind-hearted man from Broken Arrow, was tragically murdered by Gary Alan Walker, a spree killer with a troubled history of abuse and criminal behavior. Walker's background was marked by a childhood filled with abuse, hospitalizations for his behavior, and a string of criminal activities leading up to his murderous spree. His crimes involved robbery, assault, rape, and murder, leaving a trail of victims in his wake. Over a span of several days, Walker wreaked havoc across multiple states, terrorizing and harming innocent individuals like Jayne Hilburn, Janet Jewell, Valerie Shaw-Hartzell, and several others.
Ultimately, Walker was apprehended by law enforcement, brought to trial, and convicted for his heinous crimes. He was sentenced to death and multiple life terms in prison for the brutal murders and assaults he committed. Despite various appeals and legal proceedings, Walker met his demise through a lethal injection in January 2000. His destructive spree, fueled by violence and depravity, left a lasting impact on the communities and families of his victims, showcasing the chilling consequences of unchecked criminal behavior and mental health issues.
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This week, Jess take us to one of Oklahoma’s oldest Native American sites.Spiro Mounds is a significant prehistoric Native American site, evolved from a small village to a key center during the Mississippian Culture era. The site consisted of twelve mounds, ceremonial spaces, and a support city for Caddoan-speaking leaders. Notable for its wealth and artifacts, especially from the burial mound Craig Mound, Spiro Mounds attracted interest but faced looting in the 1930s. Efforts in the 1930s and later by the University of Oklahoma and Works Progress Administration involved excavations that revealed rich burials, artifacts, and the site's historical importance.
But we are here for the kooky and spooky this week!The Spiro Mounds site, aligned with the equinox, showcased remarkable artifacts, including effigy pipes and treasures unearthed in the Great Mortuary Mound. While celebrated for its archaeological richness, the site also carried eerie legends of phantom wagons, mysterious occurrences, and a rumored curse akin to King Tut's tomb. Despite challenges like looting and destruction, ongoing efforts by various institutions aim to preserve and repatriate artifacts. So follow along, or go visit, if you dare…
Sources:
Haunted Oklahoma by Jeff Provine
Myths and Mysteries of Oklahoma by Robert L. Dorman
Weird Oklahoma by Wesley Treat
Tulsa’s Haunted Memories by Teri French
Oklahoma Historical Society https://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry.php?entry=SP012 https://www.okhistory.org/sites/spiromounds
As we close Black History Month, Tiff gives the story of Dr. Ada Lois Sipuel Fisher, born in Chickasaw on Feb 8, 1924. Dr. Fisher was a pivotal figure in the civil rights movement in Oklahoma. Her parents, survivors of the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre, played a significant role in the Black community. Despite Oklahoma's segregated laws, Ada aspired to become a lawyer and challenged the system by applying to the University of Oklahoma's law school in 1946. Represented by Thurgood Marshall, she fought a three-year legal battle that resulted in the landmark case Sipuel v Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma. This case led to the mandate that Oklahoma must provide Ada Fisher with the same educational opportunities as other citizens.
After finally being admitted to the University of Oklahoma's College of Law in 1949, Ada faced continued discrimination but persevered. Her trailblazing efforts opened doors for future African American students at OU and across the nation. Despite the challenges she faced, Ada went on to graduate from OU Law in 1952 and later earned a master's degree in history. Throughout her career, she worked as a law practitioner, faculty member at Langston University, and ultimately retired as the assistant vice president for academic affairs. Dr. Ada Lois Sipuel Fisher's legacy of courage and determination in the face of adversity continues to inspire many, and she was posthumously inducted into the Oklahoma Women's Hall of Fame in 1996.
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Since 1907, the annual State Fair of Oklahoma has attracted visitors from near and far. But in 1981 two 13-year-old friends, Cinda Pallett and Charlotte Kinsey, went missing from the fairgrounds. They were last seen accepting a job offer to help a male carnival worker unload stuffed animals from a truck. Despite extensive search efforts, including eyewitness reports and suspect descriptions, the girls were never found. The prime suspect, a known predator with a history of violence, was charged but the case was eventually dismissed due to lack of physical evidence. The mystery of Charlotte and Cinda's disappearance remains unsolved, haunting their families and investigators to this day. Follow along as Jess details the accounts from witnesses, family members, and detectives, all who worked tirelessly to find closure on this case.
Since this is still an open case, those with information regarding the case are asked to contact the Oklahoma State Police at 405-231-2121 or the Oklahoma City Police Department at either 405-297-1129, 405-297-1290, 405-297-1288 or 405-297-1000. Tips can also be called into the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation at 1-800-522-8017 or 405-427-5421 and the FBI’s Oklahoma City office at 405-290-7770.
Sources:
The Disappearances of Charlotte Kinsey & Cinda Pallett https://storiesoftheunsolved.com/2021/06/01/the-disappearances-of-charlotte-kinsey-cinda-pallett/
Oklahoma Cold Cases https://oklahomacoldcases.org/charlotte-kinsey/
The Charley Project https://charleyproject.org/case/charlotte-june-kinsey, https://charleyproject.org/case/cinda-leann-pallett
KOCO news article https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-fairground-kidnapping-charlotte-kinsey-cinda-pallett/45109287
The Oklahoma State University System consists of six educational institutions in Oklahoma, including the flagship institute, Oklahoma State University–Stillwater. OSU, founded in 1890 under the Morrill Act, is a public land-grant research university. While known for its academic and athletic achievements, OSU is also known for its spooky tales and rumored hauntings. Various locations on campus, including fraternity and sorority houses, the Bartlett Center, Student Union, Edmon Low Library, Williams Hall, and Old Central, have reported paranormal activities. These sightings include apparitions, mysterious sounds, moving objects, and temperature fluctuations. Many of these stories involve tragic events or unexplained occurrences that have left a lasting imprint on the campus. But don’t take our word for it…just read the numerous articles OSU’s own library has collected on all the things going “bump in the night” around campus!
Sources:
Images of America: Stillwater by Stan Tucker
Haunted Oklahoma by Jeff Provine
Tulsa’s Haunted Memories by Teri French
“The Spooks of Williams Hall” by Jan Berry Feb. 2, 1969 for the Daily O’Collegian
"Is Old Central haunted?" Oct. 20, 2012 by KChris Griffin for the Daily O’Collegian
"Haunted buildings on OSU's campus" Oct. 29, 2017 by Nhan Doan for the Daily O’Collegian
This week, Jess recounts a tragic event that occurred on September 28, 1917. A passenger train collided with an empty troop train near Kellyville, resulting in the death of 32 people and injuries to over 50 others. The majority of the fatalities occurred in the Jim Crow car, which was designated for African Americans due to segregation laws. The collision was attributed to a misunderstanding of orders and the running of the troop train in two sections.
The aftermath of the train wreck led to changes in passenger car construction laws, particularly that of prohibiting the use of wood in train car construction. The old metal bridge where the collision occurred can still be seen near the modern bridge on Route 66. It’s rumored the spirits of the victims still linger along the old railway tracks today…
Sources:
“Kellyville, Oklahoma - Small Town America” Legends of America
“Tragic Railroad Accident of 1917” from theroute-66.com
“The Archivist: A Tragic Anniversary” from The Oklahoman
“27 Die When Trains Crash At Kellyville” from RootsWeb
Tiff likes to call this week’s episode an oldie but a goodie. So jump into the way-back machine, and strap in for a true roller coaster of a case. Eugene Monroe was born in 1931 in Tulsa and had a troubled childhood, being placed in an institution at a young age. Throughout his life he seemed to run on the wrong side of the law. By the time he was finally put away at the Big Mac in 1951, Eugene was suspected of 3 murders, numerous assaults, and even some burglaries . There are even suspicions that he may have been a serial killer, with evidence linking him to multiple murders and rapes in Tulsa during the 1940s and 1950s. We hope you don’t get motion sick!
Sources:
Was Eugene Monroe a Serial Killer? By J’amie Rubio Aug. 1, 2017
The Tulsa Tribune (28 July 1951)
This week, Jess takes us to her alma mater for the spooky and kooky.
The University of Central Oklahoma has a rich history dating back to the late 1800s, and with that history comes some spooky tales and ghostly encounters. From the haunted Mitchell Hall Theatre to the eerie occurrences in Old North, there are plenty of ghost stories to keep you on edge. The University House, Murdaugh Hall, and even the Y-Chapel of Song all have their own mysterious happenings that have left students and staff with chills down their spines.
But the ghostly tales don't stop there. The campus is also home to the legend of 'Bronchy' the Broncho Lake Monster, and even has a history of illegal burials on the school land that may have left restless spirits behind.
Whether you're a believer in the supernatural or not, the stories and legends surrounding the University of Central Oklahoma are sure to send shivers down your spine. So, the next time you find yourself on campus, keep an eye out for any unexplained occurrences and maybe you'll have your own ghostly encounter to share with your favorite cousins.
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Hey cousins! This week, Tiff tackles a topic that was “news” to her; Native Freedmen. A freedman is a term used to refer to African-American men and women who were former slaves. This included enslaved people of the Native American tribes, in Oklahoma, before and after the American Civil War. The Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek, and Seminole nations all held enslaved Africans and were required to emancipate their slaves and offer them citizenship in their tribes after the Civil War. These Native Freedmen were to be given full rights as Native citizens. However, many freedmen faced discrimination and challenges in obtaining full citizenship and rights within their respective tribes. The Dawes Rolls, which were used to assign allotments to tribal members, also played a role in determining the citizenship of freedmen. Despite ongoing struggles, many freedmen have continued to fight for equal legal status and recognition within their tribes. Join us as Tiff discusses the plight of these people, while looking at both sides of the coin.
Sources:
Wikipedia Freedmen; Cherokee Freedmen Controversy; Choctaw Freedmen; Creek Freedmen; Dawes Rolls; Seminole Nation; Chickasaw Nation; Black Seminoles
Oklahoma Freedman of the Five Tribes by Angela Y Walton-Raji
Freedmen by the OK Historical Society
Muscogee Nation Judge…by NPR
This week, Jess wraps up the senseless and tragic case of Logan Tucker. Unfortunately, this case doesn’t have that nice, pretty wrap-up we like to see. Jess dives into the trial of Kathrine Rutan, reporting on witness testimony, forensics, and speculation…remember…there was, and still is, no body. Despite everything, a family was dramatically changed that day in late June of 2002. And today, that family, as well as the community of Woodward, are left with more questions than answers…still. Where is Logan? And why? If you have any information, I know the Woodward Police Department and Woodward County Sheriff's Department would love to hear from you.
Listener Discretion is advised.
Sources:
Articles from The Oklahoman, The Enid News and Eagle, News On 6
The Center for Missings persons at ncmissingpersons.org
The Charley Project at charleyproject.org
“Legal and Investigative Strategies for a ‘No Body’ Homicide, by Chris L. Ross, District Attorney, 22nd District, State of Oklahoma from the Journal of the Association for Crime Scene Reconstruction
Talkswithholly.medium.com
“Looking for Logan Tucker” podcast from the The Oklahoman
Continuing from last week, Jess dives into the investigation of Katherine Rutan and the disappearance of 6 year old Logan Tucker. The amount of stories this woman had to keep straight regarding the whereabouts of her child will just blow your mind! Investigator Monty Clems, with the help of not only the FBI, but the citizens of Woodward and other surrounding communities, made it his life mission to find the missing boy. Though Logan’s body was ultimately never located, an indictment of murder was served. This episode is a roller coaster of emotions, so buckle up cousins!
Listener Discretion is advised.
Sources:
Articles from The Oklahoman, The Enid News and Eagle, News On 6
The Center for Missings persons at ncmissingpersons.org
The Charley Project at charleyproject.org
“Legal and Investigative Strategies for a ‘No Body’ Homicide, by Chris L. Ross, District Attorney, 22nd District, State of Oklahoma from the Journal of the Association for Crime Scene Reconstruction
Talkswithholly.medium.com
“Looking for Logan Tucker” podcast from the The Oklahoman
This week, Jess brings us another listener request; the disappearance and murder of Logan Tucker. Logan went missing the summer of 2002 from his home in Woodward, OK. However, leading up to this disappearance, Logan’s mother reported Logan as being troubled and a danger to his family. Although no one seemed to be able to corroborate this, DHS was scheduled to pick Logan up for evaluation at a mental health facility. Yet, Logan was never picked up or placed in DHS’s care. After several weeks, and an uncle asking for a welfare check, it was discovered Logan was missing. When mother Katherine Rutan reported Logan as camping with another uncle, law enforcement became very suspicious. This tale is a roller coaster ride of stories…none of which could appear or seem to be true!
Listener Discretion is advised.
Sources:
Articles from The Oklahoman, The Enid News and Eagle, News On 6
The Center for Missings persons at ncmissingpersons.org
The Charley Project at charleyproject.org
“Legal and Investigative Strategies for a ‘No Body’ Homicide, by Chris L. Ross, District Attorney, 22nd District, State of Oklahoma from the Journal of the Association for Crime Scene Reconstruction
Talkswithholly.medium.com
“Looking for Logan Tucker” podcast from the The Oklahoman
When urban legends are built on truth, some pretty creepy things can happen. Take Weatherford’s own Dead Woman’s Crossing. When the mysterious disappearance and murder of Mrs. Katy DeWitt James happens in 1905, stories from an estranged husband and mystery men and women all fight for a spot on the suspect list. And when the prime suspect unexplainably poisons herself, IN HER JAIL CELL, more questions just seem to come forth. Ride along with Tiff as she tells the tale of Mrs. James’ murder, the disappearance of her child, and the hard working private investigator who refused to give up, even when trails abruptly ended. When the dust settles, spirits are unsettled, perhaps still seeking the justice they so deserve.
Sources:
Ghostlahoma by Tonya Hacker and Tammy Wilson
Dead Woman’s Crossing by Atlas Obscura (https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/dead-woman-s-crossing
Dead Woman’s Crossing by Becky Ray for KC Ghosts (https://www.kcghosts.com/oklahoma-dead-woman-s-crossing)
Tulsa Daily Democrat, Aug 3, 1905
“Father Offers Reward; No Trace of Mrs. Katy James can be found”- Pryor Creek Clipper, Aug 5, 1905;
The Shawnee Herald- “Mrs. Katy James’ Body Discovered” Aug. 31, 1905
As Oklahomans, we are familiar with the stories of how the various Native people came to live and be associated with our state. In most cases, ok, probably all, the government swore peace and other provisions through various treaties with Native tribes. Today’s story is one of those. Enter Chief Black Kettle of the Southern Cheyenne. Famous for stressing the importance of peace, and finding ways to live harmoniously with the ever growing population of white settlers, Black Kettle sought out ways to be nonviolent. Unfortunately, after several lies and broken treaties, many of his tribe members were frustrated. To gain the upper hand, and more land, and to simply rid the area of Natives, a one, Colonel George Custard would enter the scene, leading to one of Indian Territories deadliest battles; the Washita Massacre. Jess tells of the stories of a brave and peace-loving chief, simply trying to do what’s best for his people, all while battling an ambitious American government.
Sources:
“Little Known Tales in Oklahoma History” by Alton Pryor
“It Happened In Oklahoma” by Robert L. Dorman
Battle of the Washita
Washita Battlefield National Historic Site, Oklahoma
https://www.legendsofamerica.com/ok-washitabattlefield/
Washita Battlefield
https://www.nps.gov/waba/learn/historyculture/index.htm
Black Kettle
https://history.denverlibrary.org/colorado-biographies/black-kettle-1807-1868
Biography of Black Kettle
https://www.nps.gov/sand/learn/historyculture/black-kettle-biography.htm
This week, your favorite cousins bring you a doozy of a case. It is little known, but it was brought to light by a relative of the victim and perpetrator…The Oklahoma Cannibal. Yes, you read that correctly. Tiff dives into the disturbing case of Gregory Canatis. Was he suffering from a mental health break? Did he simply snap one day? This case is still very obscure, but extremely complex. For years the family has wondered what happened to Uncle Ted. And why did Cousin Greg do what he did? Give us your thoughts on the case….master manipulator or victim of undiagnosed and uncared for mental health disorder?
Listener discretion is VEHEMENTLY advised.
Sources
The Oklahoma Cannibal by The True Crime Blog
The Daily Oklahoman
Tulsa World
Now that autumn is winding down and winter is amping up, it’s time to get cozy and comfy…and listen to some ghost stories! This week, your favorite cousins tell you about the dark history and spirits associated with both the Wheelock Academy/Missions in Millerton and the Belle Isle in Oklahoma City.
Like many Native American schools during the late 1800s and early 1900s, Wheelock started out with good intentions, but ended with several accounts of mental, physical, and emotional abuse. With this being done on children, you can only imagine the energies that remain around the campus.
Oklahoma City is home to many long-forgotten sites. Belle Isle seems to be one of the biggest sites of former glory in our capital city. Belle Isle started as a way to power our turn of the century streetcars, but ended up being the center of entertainment for those living and working in the city in the early 1900s. At its height in the 1920s, Belle Isle boasted not only the powerplant, but a lake, amusement park, restaurants, and numerous other pleasurable enjoyments for folks. However, when coal power was replaced with electricity and gasoline, the Belle Isle fell into disrepair. Numerous tragedies befell the area, which provides for several generations of ghouls and ghosts.
So snuggle up! The chills may not only come from the colder weather…
Sources:
Haunted Oklahoma by Jeff Provine
Weird Oklahoma by Wesley Treat
Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma by Donovin Arleigh Sprague
Wheelock Mission and Academy from Oklahoma Historical Society at okhistory.org
Wheelock Academy Historic Site from Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma Cultural Services
Wikipedia
Wheelock Mission from Haunted Places.org
Meet 11 Ghosts From Oklahoma and Their Bone-Chilling Stories from OnlyInYourState.com
Wheelock Mission in Oklahoma from ahauntedplace.com
Wheelock Mission - Real Haunts in Millerton, OK from OklahomaHauntedHouses.com
Ghosts & Legends of OK by Mike Ricksecker
Haunted OKC by Jeff Provine & Tanya McCoy
Belle Isle Park by Metropolitan Library https://www.metrolibrary.org/archives/essay/2019/07/belle-isle-park
Belle Isle Park by City of OKC https://www.okc.gov/departments/parks-recreation/parks-trails/ward-2-parks/belle-isle-park
Most Haunted Places in OKC by Haunted Rooms America https://www.hauntedrooms.com/oklahoma/okc/haunted-places
The Daily Oklahoman
Part 2 of the Dust Bowl is out now! Your favorite cousins wrap up their deep dive into one of our state’s biggest natural disasters…although…was it really natural? You be the judge!
The Dust Bowl not only literally reshaped parts of our landscape, but it also reshaped cultural regions around the US. Many “Okie” influences can still be found in parts of California.
So while digesting your turkey and all the “fixins” let your two favorite cousins wrap up a story for you…and share us with all your loved ones!
Sources:
“The Dirty Thirties: A History of the Dust Bowl” by Howard Brinkley
“Little Known Tales in Oklahoma History” by Alton Pryor
“The Dust Bowl” from the National Drought Mitigation Center: University of Nebraska, www.drought.unl.edu
“Dust Bowl” from Oklahoma Historical Society at okhistory.org
Wikipedia: The Dust Bowl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl
“It happened in Oklahoma” by Rober L Dorman
“Main Street Oklahoma” edited by Linda W Reese and Patricia Loughlin
Small Business Shout-outs:
Back on schedule for your favorite two cousins! This week, Jess and Tiff cover part 1 of an historical look at the Dust Bowl. Jess covers the geographic history of the region affected by the Dust Bowl as well as the actual storms and drought. Tiff takes a look at the decisions that went into the great migration, and how the government tried to provide relief. Check out some of our really great resources to find out more info regarding one of the darkest times in American and Oklahoman history.
Sources:
“The Dirty Thirties: A History of the Dust Bowl” by Howard Brinkley
“Little Known Tales in Oklahoma History” by Alton Pryor
“The Dust Bowl” from the National Drought Mitigation Center: University of Nebraska, www.drought.unl.edu
“Dust Bowl” from Oklahoma Historical Society at okhistory.org
Wikipedia: The Dust Bowl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl
“It happened in Oklahoma” by Rober L Dorman
“Main Street Oklahoma” edited by Linda W Reese and Patricia Loughlin
We are taking a break from our regular programming to bring you this special episode your favorite cousins participated in last Spring.
Jess and Tiff met up with Raven and Mandy from Sirens: A Southern True Crime Podcast, and author of Hell in the Heartland, Jax Miller. In a roundtable discussion, your favorite cousins and their podcasting sisters discuss the purpose of ethically reporting true crime cases. Jax Miller gives her insight when doing research for books based off true crime cases. Please enjoy our roundtable discussion. Please feel free to leave a message with your own thoughts and opinions.
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As the spooky season winds down, your favorite cousins bring you a tale of their most recent spooky and kooky adventure…Paranormal Investigating at Lindley Hospital in Duncan.
If you remember, Jess and Tiff went on their first paranormal investigation back on Friday, October 13. Guided by the folks at Haunted Oklahoma, they were treated to the thrills, chills, and spirits at Lindley Hospital and Clinic. From a feisty male spirit, to possibly two children, lots of bumps and creaks, and even a scream, Jess and Tiff were given an experience they won’t soon forget!
Please check out our new friends/cousins over at Haunted Oklahoma (and set up your next paranormal investigation trip), Paranormal Wasteland, and Spooky Okie!
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This week, Jess concludes our 4 parter over the mysterious, tragic, and brutal death of little Phyllis Jean Warren. After a forced confession, botched evidence, and a public defender with something to prove, the case quickly starts to unravel. Listen along as Jess outlines the pretrial and actual trial drama of Buster Youngwolfe. And let us know what your thoughts and theories are regarding this gruesome crime!
Listener discretion is advised.
When
Sources:
“Oklahoma’s Atticus: An Innocent Man and the Lawyer Who Fought for Him”, by Hunter Howe Cates
“Oklahoma’s Atticus: One Lawyer’s Fight for Justice in New Book” by James D. Watts Jr. Nov 17, 2019, Tulsa World
“Family Ties: Oklahoma’s Atticus is a Tale of Two Tulsas” by Jezy J. Gray Nov 6, 2019 updated June 5, 2020.
Well cousins, Jess’s 3 parter has now turned into a 4 parter! This week, part 3 will go over the investigation…if you want to call it that. Law enforcement zeroed in on one particular individual, and like a tale as old as time, sought only to get the answers they believed…all without taking evidence into consideration. Listen now as Jess describes police work that almost mimics other famous cases like West Memphis Three or even the Girl Scout Murders.
Listener discretion is advised.
When
Sources:
“Oklahoma’s Atticus: An Innocent Man and the Lawyer Who Fought for Him”, by Hunter Howe Cates
“Oklahoma’s Atticus: One Lawyer’s Fight for Justice in New Book” by James D. Watts Jr. Nov 17, 2019, Tulsa World
“Family Ties: Oklahoma’s Atticus is a Tale of Two Tulsas” by Jezy J. Gray Nov 6, 2019 updated June 5, 2020.
On another day, much like today (Friday the 13th), one mother’s nightmare was awaiting her when she awoke. Phyllis Jean Warren was missing, her bed never being slept in the night before. After a slow to start search effort got underway, Phyllis’s case quickly escalated to a missing person’s case that gripped Tulsa County. But law enforcement had their eyes on one guy in particular; family friend, Buster Youngwolf. Jess takes us through the maze that was the search for little Phyllis. In this second part, the search efforts seemed well focused and determined one minute, and the next, lackluster and minimal at best. So strap in! This bumpy ride just keeps hitting those “pot holes”.
Listener discretion is advised.
When
Sources:
“Oklahoma’s Atticus: An Innocent Man and the Lawyer Who Fought for Him”, by Hunter Howe Cates
“Oklahoma’s Atticus: One Lawyer’s Fight for Justice in New Book” by James D. Watts Jr. Nov 17, 2019, Tulsa World
“Family Ties: Oklahoma’s Atticus is a Tale of Two Tulsas” by Jezy J. Gray Nov 6, 2019 updated June 5, 2020.
Most of us cousins have read the American classic “To Kill a Mockingbird” by Harper Lee. But did you know that a real-life version of that story happened right here in Oklahoma?
North Tulsa today is seeing a revitalization of the area. In the past, it was known for its crime and poverty, but in recent years, the city has been making waves, trying to improve the area. But as far back as the 1950s, that area of Tulsa was looked down upon by the upper echelon of downtown and midtown Tulsa. When 11 year old Phyllis Jean Warren winds up missing and later murdered, residents thought it would be an open and shut case. However, not all things are what they seem. With hints of such famous cases as that which Author Harper Lee outlined in her novel, and real life cases, like the West Memphis Three, this case really highlights the prejudice of the times…and how in some cases, police don’t want to do the investigative work if they can find a fall guy.
Jess begins this 3 parter with background of the North Tulsa area and who both victims were; little Phyllis Warren and her “supposed” murderer Buck Youngwolfe. Strap in. This is going to be a bumpy ride!
Listener discretion is advised.
When
Sources:
“Oklahoma’s Atticus: An Innocent Man and the Lawyer Who Fought for Him”, by Hunter Howe Cates
“Oklahoma’s Atticus: One Lawyer’s Fight for Justice in New Book” by James D. Watts Jr. Nov 17, 2019, Tulsa World
“Family Ties: Oklahoma’s Atticus is a Tale of Two Tulsas” by Jezy J. Gray Nov 6, 2019 updated June 5, 2020.
Your favorite cousins are kicking off spooky season with two great locals! Tiff covers the history and spooks at Rogers State University in Claremore, and Jess explores the tea-spilling past of the Eskridge Hotel in Wynnewood…a hotel where many residents have either never checked out OR keep visiting ...even after death! With lots of shadowy spirits and strange sounds, we hope you get some chills!
Sources:
TravelOk.com
TravelTips.USAToday.com
Okpri.com (Oklahoma Paranormal Research and Investigation
Oklahoma’s National Register of Historic Places
Eskridge Hotel - waymarking.com
Ghostly Tales of Oklahoma 66 by Legends of America (https://www.legendsofamerica.com/66-okghosts/)
Rogers State University by Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_State_University)
Rogers State University by OK Haunted Houses (https://www.okhauntedhouses.com/real-haunt/rogers-state-university.html)
Want a little more outlaw action this week? Well, have we got a good story for you! In part two, of our season premier, Tiff covers the infamous, the scandalous, the often compared, but never duplicated, outlaw couple of BONNIE AND CLYDE!
The ups and downs this couple experienced….whew! From the couple’s very humble beginnings, to their meet cute, to the thrill of the chase, Bonnie and Clyde live in history as the dynamic duo of crime, love, and murder. Even though these two aren’t actual Oklahomans, some of their favorite stomping grounds were right here in the Sooner State.
So get ready. This story is what Hollywood movies are made of…literally…
Source Material:
100 OK Outlaws, gangsters and lawmen 1839-1939 by Daniel Anderson, Laurence Yadon, and Robert Barr Smith
Oklahoma Tall Tales Uncovered by Joe M Cummings
Oklahoma Scoundrels by Robert Barr Smith and Laurene J Yadon
We’re baaaaaaccccckkkkk!!
Hey cousins! After a month off, Jess and Tiff are ready to hit the trails running, bringing our favorite cousins the darkest of histories, kookiest of spooks, and thrillingest of true crimes…all from here, the Sooner State.
So strap into Season 2. We kick it off going back to where it all began…OUTLAWS!
In this two parter, Jess starts us out by diving into one of Oklahoma’s first law-breaking couples; Flora Quick, aka Flora Mundis, aka Tom King, and her very brief, but thrilling lover Earnest “Killer” Lewis. Being horse thieves at the end of the 19th century/beginning of the 20th century was a “hangin” offense in the Oklahoma and Indian Territories. But somehow, our lovely lady was able to escape prosecution SEVERAL times. One short stay in jail brought the star crossed lovers together, bonding over plans for future robberies. But all wasn’t meant to be, and a single failed train holdup signaled doom for the fast friends.
Source Material:
“Wild Women of the West: Flora Mundis” by Chris Enns from cowgirlmagazine.com, July 27, 2022
“Outlaw Tales of Oklahoma” by Robert Barr Smith
“100 Oklahoma Outlaws, Gangsters, and Lawmen” by Dan Anderson & Laurence Yadon
“Flora Quick aka Tom King” by Marshall Trimble from truewestmagazine.com, August 31, 2015
Part 4 of the Girl Scout Murders
Your favorite cousins have reached the end of their deep dive into the Girl Scout Murders of Camp Scott. Our emotions have literally reached the limit. This case pulls at heartstrings, it causes us to get irrationally upset, and in the end, it devastates us knowing these 3 young girls had their whole lives ahead of them…hopes…dreams…
This episode will cover everything AFTER the trial of Gene Leroy Hart. We will discuss a lot of opinions…please note…they are OUR opinions. We would love to hear your thoughts too!
Also, this is our season 1 finale! We are going to take off the rest of August and some of September. Please stay tuned to our socials (fb, ig, twitter/x?). We will stay active and let you know when season 2 will drop.
Thank you so much for supporting us in our Beginning Era! You all have simply been just the best! We hope to keep you all entertained, informed, and a part of our family. Bigger and better things are planned for season 2. We love you all! Thank you!!
Curious Cousins OK is written and produced by Jess Burnett and Tiff Murray
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All our source material is linked in each show’s show notes.
Sources: The Camp Scott Murders by CS Kelly; OK’s Most Notorious Cases by Kent Frates; Remembering Camp Scott by OSU; Abandoned OK.com; Campscottmurders.com; girlscoutmurders.com; The Horrifying Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders Remain Unsolved 45 Years Later by Cat McAuliffe for Ranker.com; Tulsa World; New York Times; Shattered Justice by JD Morrison
Part 3 of the Girl Scout Murders
This week, your favorite cousins split up part 3; Jess covers the 10 month long manhunt from prime suspect Gene Leroy Hart. Tiff covers the usual preliminary hearing and resulting weeks-long trial. Evidence mysteries, turncoats, and drama that would have been home in a Hollywood film plagued this case. It quickly became the “case of the century” for Oklahoma, even though it gripped the nation.
As always, please use listener discretion. This subject is tough.
Sources: The Camp Scott Murders by CS Kelly; OK’s Most Notorious Cases by Kent Frates; Remembering Camp Scott by OSU; Abandoned OK.com; Campscottmurders.com; girlscoutmurders.com; The Horrifying Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders Remain Unsolved 45 Years Later by Cat McAuliffe for Ranker.com; Tulsa World; New York Times; Shattered Justice by JD Morrison
Part 2 of the Girl Scout Murders
Jess focuses on suspect #1; Gene Leroy Hart. Hart was a petty thief when he started his criminal career. Then, one evening, Hart decided to k!dnap and assault two pregnant Tulsa women. Found guilty, he served time, yet was released, just to resume his life of crime. The similarities between Hart's first crime and the crime against the 3 Girl Scout victims was eerily spooky. Hart's vast knowledge of the Locus Grove area and his mother living within a mile of the camp put him immediately on law enforcement's list persons of interest.
As always, please use listener discretion. This subject is tough.
Sources: The Camp Scott Murders by CS Kelly; OK’s Most Notorious Cases by Kent Frates; Remembering Camp Scott by OSU; Abandoned OK.com; Campscottmurders.com; girlscoutmurders.com; The Horrifying Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders Remain Unsolved 45 Years Later by Cat McAuliffe for Ranker.com; Tulsa World; New York Times; Shattered Justice by JD Morrison
Well cousins, the time has come. We are doing a big one. The next couple of weeks, your favorite cousins will be covering one of Oklahoma’s biggest true crime cases to come out of the Sooner state. This case has been requested several times by various listeners (sorry, I won’t list them all). This week, Tiff introduces us to the Camp Scott Murders, better known as the Girl Scott Murders.
In Part 1, Tiff draws upon a glorious summer camp experience that was supposed to be. However, the nightmare that ensued really does bring the kooky and spooky camp ghost stories to life. This part follows the brutal murders of 3 young girls from the Tulsa area and the following days as law enforcement tries to gather evidence and look for any clues as to why and who.
Sources: The Camp Scott Murders by CS Kelly; OK’s Most Notorious Cases by Kent Frates; Remembering Camp Scott by OSU; Abandoned OK.com; Campscottmurders.com; girlscoutmurders.com; The Horrifying Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders Remain Unsolved 45 Years Later by Cat McAuliffe for Ranker.com; Tulsa World; New York Times
Rumor has it this week’s episodes will bring a little chill to our hot, humid weather!
Tiff explores the spooky history behind Ft. Reno. Starting as a fort in Indian Territory to help protect the native population in the area, many scuffles had to be squashed so everyone could live in SOMEWHAT harmony. The fort was quickly converted into a POW camp during World War 2, where hundreds of German and Italian soldiers were homed. The energy surrounding the land is just ripe for spirits!
Jess takes on the kooky legends, myths, and reports regarding the mysterious Labadie Mansion in Copan. This perplexing home rife with mystery and rumor…none adding up to truth. Was there an affair? Did Mr. Labadie murder a newborn? Was the family forced out of an upstairs window, only to plummet to their death? Or was the family just your typical, well-to-do folks who lived quietly in the country So quietly that neighbors had to fabricate stories…and are there spirits still lurking around protecting (or bolstering) the secrets? You be the judge!
You can schedule your own Ft. Reno ghost tour here: http://www.fortreno.org/ghost-tours/
Pick up a copy of one of our favorite spooky books!
Haunted Oklahoma by Jeff Provine: https://a.co/d/bWpub5f
Ghosts and Legends of Oklahoma by Mike Ricksecker: https://a.co/d/ajdcRAI
Tulsa’s Haunted Memories by Teri French: https://a.co/d/1Lvyubf
Haunted El Reno by Tanya McCoy and Whitney Wilson: https://a.co/d/b1LK5Rh
Oklahoma has its share of dark times throughout history. Oftentimes, this great state shares those dark times with the entire nation. This week, Jess explores the Krebs Mining Accident from 1892. Visiting Krebs today, one wouldn’t know it was the site of Oklahoma's worst mining accident. Gross disregard for miner’s safety and overall safety protocols, as was the case in many mining accidents across the United States, led to this horrific disaster which killed some 100 men and injured nearly 200 more.
With the ups and downs in Russia these days, Tiff delved into how our state contributed to the Cold War. From nuclear missile sites to fallout shelters to starting the nation’s civil defense classes, Oklahoma helped defend our country during the 40+ years of unrest between the two superpowers.
If you would like more info on Cold War Oklahoma, check out SWOSU Professor of History Landry Brewer’s book “Cold War Oklahoma” here.
If last week’s part 1 didn’t give you the willies, maybe this week’s will. Jess wraps up her deep-dive into the Giggling Granny, aka, Nannie Doss, by going through her trial. Nannie continued to wow and stun authorities with her bizarre behavior and flirtatious attitude towards the entire ordeal. How will these exploits be received in the courtroom? Guess you’ll have to listen to find out!
Oh! And we hope this doesn’t have you questioning your sweet ole granny’s cakes…we know 98% of grandmas are the perfect angels! Ours included!
Double Oh! Here is the link to the YouTube video (thank you, @peahix!!) with the interview of Nannie in prison. Let us know how you feel after watching! Make sure to pay attention to her eyes and smile…<shuddering>
Most people probably have warm, fuzzy feelings about their grandmas. Your favorite cousins do! Her warm, tasty cookies…nice, loving hugs…Never does the thought of POISON cross people’s minds when reminiscing about little, old grannies. Or maybe it does…Perhaps if you were a member of Nannie Doss’s family that’s exactly what you’d think!
This week’s episode Jess tackles the Giggling Granny herself. The original Black Widow. The Lonely Hearts Killer. Lady Bluebeard: Nannie Doss.
In part 1, Jess tells us all about Nannie’s background…all FIVE husbands, her children, and her grandchildren. Nannie moved around the USA, seeking out her ultimate fairytale romance. But did she find it here in Tulsa? Guess you better listen to find out!
Old, spooky homes are the best, am I right? This week, your favorite cousins explore the paranormal happenings at two former homes; the Grisso Mansion of Seminole and the former Masonic Children’s Home (now Dominion House) in Guthrie. Footsteps and sounds abound in these two places where energies are HIGH! From the sounds of former servants and other Natives going about their daily business, to the running and giggling of energetic children, you won’t be disappointed in the ghouls!
To watch the YouTube video that Jess references, click here, (The Grisso Mansion by Native Boys Productions.
It’s time to take it back to our roots! How about another episode dedicated to an infamous Oklahoma outlaw and the man who tried to bring them to justice?
Tiff dives into the infamous life of Crawford “Cherokee Bill” Goldsby. For only living 20 years, he lived a life you’d only think was possible through a Hollywood script. Jess then takes over covering the one, the only, Judge Isaac Parker…aka…The Hanging Judge. This judge sat on the bench of many infamous outlaws’ cases…sentencing many to hang high!
Thanks for bearing with us as we devliever this week’s episode late!
Tiff tells the frightening tale of Patrick Henry Sherrill, infamous Oklahoman who’s terrible act coined the phrase “going postal”. Diving into Sherrill’s life paints a picture of undiagnosed mental health issues. Sherrill appeared mostly fine on the outside, but when exploring deeper, patterns can be observed that today would have been cause for concern and cries for help. His loneliness paired with a possibly obsessive/addictive personality meant Sherrill didn’t receive social cues or messages like most of the public. When unchecked, it clearly leads to tragedy.
If you are suffering please seek help! It isn’t something to be embarrassed or ashamed about! We all could use therapy…ALL of us!
National Mental Health Hotline | 866-903-3787
NAMI HelpLine | NAMI: National Alliance on Mental Illness 800-950-6264.
Dial 988 in Oklahoma to talk to someone directly. Especially if you are in an emergency mental health crisis…harm yourself or others
- Mental Health Association of Oklahoma: Contact us anytime Monday-Friday from 8:30 a.m. – 5 p.m. at (918) 585-1213, (405) 943-3700 or using the form found on mhaok.org
Jess and Tiff are taking a break this week, but have we got a treat for you all!
In this episode, your favorite cousins teamed up with the Sirens: A Southern True Crime Podcast to talk about some DARK Oklahoma history. Did you know about 200 years AFTER the famous Salem Witch Trials, Oklahoma had at least TWO of their own? Tiff talks about the infamous Oklahoma Witchhunter himself, Mr. Solomon Hotema, a well respected, well rounded, Choctaw man. Suffering from, what one can now only believe to be trauma from the loss of a child, Hotema sought out the help of a medicine man. This medicine man told Hotema that witches were to blame for the death of his child, and many others (when in fact, it was an outbreak of meningitis). Believing this, Hotema and two others took the "law" into their own hands one afternoon. In another trial, Jess covers the horrific trial of an old Seminole or Miccosukee (part of the Creek Nation) woman. In a account largely from the school teacher at We-Wo-Ka Government Mission School, Jess retells of the horrors and inhuman treatment of the "prisoner" believed to be a witch. Several newspaper accounts boasted how much we as people had learned between the 200 years after the hysteria of Salem...but did we really learn anything? Or did history, like is typical, repeat itself?
Are you ready to listen to tales of things that go bump in the night? This week, your favorite cousins explore two haunted sites; the Mayo Hotel of Tulsa and the McBride House of Ft. Gibson. While the McBride House no longer offers up hotel stays, you can bet you will still come across Ft. Gibsoners that will tell you of the kooky and spooky going on in their town, and in that house! But, if you can’t access Ft. Gibson in real-life, pick of current owner Cecila Back’s book “Ghosts of the McBride House ''. She gives chilling details of the haunts her family endured during their 25+ year occupancy of the home. (It does still stand today, however, it appears to be uninhabited, but still owned by the Back family)
The Mayo Hotel was at one time the crown jewel of Tulsa hotels. Modeled after the Ritz in NYC, The Mayo provided luxurious stays for the rich and famous. Unlike many snazzy hotels, this one seems to have little dark history behind it! The rising costs in renovation led to the hotel closing its doors, and staying that way for roughly 30 years. Thankfully, Tulsa’s iconic hotel has seen a revitalization, and it just might house more than your weary traveler…
Check out Cecila Back’s book “Ghosts of the McBride House” here.
This week, your favorite cousins explore places super kooky and spooky…abandoned hospitals! Jess explores Cottonwood Manor in Yukon, while Tiff takes a trip up the turnpike to Vinita to Eastern State Hospital. Using pictures from Abandoned Oklahoma, you can see just how creepy some of these places were that were supposed to provide help to the innocent, and not so innocent. So sit back and listen to the tales…and probably be thankful you didn’t have to go to either hospital!
Abandoned OK’s Eastern State Hospital Pics
Abandoned OK’s Cottonwood Manor Pics
Jess concludes the soap-opera-like story of Jake Hamon and his lover Clara Smith Hamon. The ups and downs in this case will spin your head! But even more shocking…the conclusion of the trial..and the path lives take afterwards. Remember, Jake and Clara were lovers for 10 years when Jake’s wife’s cousin’s husband (take a breath now) became President of the United States. Jake, ever looking for his next means to elevate his status, dumped Clara to resume life with his wife and family. While breaking up at an Ardmore hotel, Jake suddenly stumbles down stairs with a bullet wound, stating it had been self-inflicted. But could that be? Was this couple known to get physical at times? And what were those marks on Clara’s neck? Grab your ticket and some popcorn too (you’ll get this pun during the episode! lol) for the conclusion of this Hollywood-worthy tale.
Time for an old-timey tale! Jess takes us back to the early 1900s, when Oklahoma’s wild west was being won! This week, Jess dives into the mysterious murder of Jake Hamon. Jake was a well-known Oklahoman…well-known as an attorney, politician, oil-man, and womanizer. Being married with two children didn’t stop ole Jake from having a TEN YEAR long affair with his shopkeeper turned business partner Clara Smith Hamon. But wait…her last name was Hamon too? How did that happen? And how did Jake end up shot at the hotel he was staying at, awaiting the arrival of his wife and children, so they could move to Washington DC because the OG Mrs. Hamon’s cousin was elected president (or at least the cousin’s husband was)? Check out part 1 of this 2 part, Jess-irific series. This story may just be too good for real-life! Wait…is that Hollywood calling???
COUSINS! The kooky and spooky has been TURNT UP this week! Jess takes us along for the kooky cryptid tale of Oklahoma’s famed Stikini, while Tiff explores another haunted building; the Knox Building of Enid. While one story focuses on the Seminole lore of a vampiric owl-man, the other will lead listeners to wonder just what went on for 40 years while this Oklahoma site stood vacant. So enjoy one of Oklahoma’s spring evenings (can you hear the thunder in the background of the recording?) while catching up with your favorite cousins!
This week, your favorite cousins will dive into the mysteries around the Oklahoma Panhandle, as well as the nation’s 6th deadliest fire, the Babbs Switch Fire. Take a ride through history as Jess describes the lawlessness and adventure only an Oklahoman could understand! Tiff explores the tragedy of the Babbs Switch Christmas Eve fire, where one innocent spark took down an entire school house and 36 (or was it 37?) lives were lost.
Time to turn up the kooky and spooky factor! This week, your favorite cousins, along with guest host cousin Ava, dive into the NUMEROUS theories surrounding the mysterious disappearance and deaths of the Jamison Family out of Eufuala, OK. From cult sacrifices to the witness protection program to murder-suicide, your cousins will dish out the facts, and dish on some opinions. We’d love to hear your thoughts, theories, and beliefs surrounding this truly baffling case. Comment below!!
Special thanks to AVA for joining us this week! We can’t wait to have her on again!
Ready for a tale that is both kooky and spooky? Tiff dives into the mysterious and conspiracy centered disappearance and death of the Jamison Family of Eufuala, OK. Requested by listener Brandy McGinley, part 1 takes a look at the family background, dynamics, and strange way they simply appeared to pack up and vanish from the Palona Mountains. Investigators were baffled by all the evidence and theories that all could have been feasible. Dive with Tiff and Jess while they discuss the possibilities behind what could have made this family of 3 walk away from it all…or could it be foul play…witness protection…the world may never know.
Make sure to tune in next week, with special guest Ava, when we explore all the theories behind one of Oklahoma’s most recent who-done-its.
A soft rain is pitter-patter-ing down, so that means it's time for a spooky story, right? Take a trip to T-Town to visit one of its MANY spooky and kooky theaters! This week, Tiff gives us the history of both Tulsa's Little Theatre and Spotlight Theatre. Many spirits are said to roam the stages and halls, giving thespians quite the fright. Tulsa’s oldest show can still be seen at the Spotlight, while the Little Theatre boasts a great venue for shows! Additionally, the theaters are architectural shrines to their history! Check out both places on your next trip to Tulsa! Just don’t mind those who are still reaching for the stars…
Let's hear it for the girls! Let's give the girls a hand!
This week, your favorite cousins are covering some BOSS BABES for Women's History Month! First, Tiff will scratch the surface of Oklahoma's Angel, Kate Barnard, progressive reformer during the time when women's voices in politics were shunned and ignored. Jess takes a look at professional girls baseball player Earlene "Beans" Risinger. Both of these ladies SHATTERED those glass ceilings, and were proud Oklahomans. Both were tenacious, persistent, and pushed barriers for women.
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Are you ready for one of Oklahoma’s first, and relatively unknown, unsolved murders? In 1911, OK Game Warden Charles W Estes, from the Jenks area, was found murdered while on patrol at Turkey Mountain in Tulsa. Several suspicious suspects were cleared. Was it murder by a wayward hunter? How many shots really were fired? Little to no evidence frustrated law enforcement. A missing revolver and money, but a left behind pocket watch is hard to determine if this was an accident or robbery gone wrong. Join your favorite cousins in a Jess-errific murder mystery. What are your theories?
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Do you enjoy taking long walks in the spooky woods? Are you a treasure seeker? If you answered yes, then this week’s episode is for you! Travel with Jess to the Wichita Mountain area and take a peek at Devil’s Canyon. Then travel to Durant with Tiff and visit the haunted stomping grounds of Aunt Jane at Ft. Washita. There’s treasure in them there hills, but trying to find it just might cause you your sanity…
After the heaviness of the last two weeks, your favorite cousins decided to explore some brighter history of our home state. Pioneers in two different areas of Oklahoma history, lawman Bass Reeves and Civil Rights Activist Roscoe Dunjee paved the way for many Oklahomans. Bass Reeves helped bring down the lawless as the first African American Marshall in Oklahoma, and maybe the entire US. Roscoe Dunjee was a self-taught newspaper man, whose life goal was to improve the advancement of other African Americans in his home state of Oklahoma. As editor and chief of the first African American newspaper in OKC, "Black Dispatch". Dunjee used his platform to bring awareness to the different plights people of color were (and many still are today) up against. We hope you enjoy this fascinating dive into early Oklahoma history!
Are you ready for the trial of the century? February 1975 saw just that in Enid, OK! This week, Tiff concludes the two-parter Thrasher Family Murders case with a closer look at Bobby Wayne Collins’ life and the many tales he spun for law enforcement, the judge, and jury. With a high-profile defense attorney named Steven Jones and the evidence with the state seeming to be minimal, the prosecution had their work cut out for them. The goal was justice though, for this innocent, happy family of 4. If you haven’t caught up on Episode 23, go listen to that first before jumping in on Episode 24. Due to the content covered, listener discretion is advised.
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This week, Tiff shares about the horrific 1974 quadruple homicide of the Thrasher family. Quiet little Woodward, OK would wake up after the Labor Day weekend to discover there's a murderer in their mist. Part 1, of this 2 part series, takes you back to 1974 and the lives of Mr. and Mrs. Thrasher and their two children. This normal, all-American family's deaths caused police to scratch their heads, and pull out all the stops, in order to find the perpetrator. Due to the content covered, listener discretion is advised.
Things that go bump in the night? That seems to be the norm at these two places in Oklahoma! This week, your favorite cousins will take you to Anadarko and Wilburton in search of two very spooky places just soaked in history! Tiff talks about Riverside Indian School, the oldest Native American Boarding School in the USA. It's dark history has led many to believe that several students never left when their final bell rang. Jess explores Robbers' Cave, where many outlaws were reported having hid out...but some don't seem to have left there either! So join the girls on this spooky (and a little kooky) ride!
Ghosts & Legends of Oklahoma by Mike Ricksecker
Is there anything more kooky or spooky than abandoned places? We didn't think so! This week's episode, your favorite cousins explore some abandoned places here in our Great State; Eagle Park Amusement Park in Cashe and Dunjee School in Spencer. Each have vivid and interesting pasts, but their futures are bleak. While funds are trying to be raised to save Eagle Park, Dunjee School has burned, and its future is unknown.
As we mentioned in the show...PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO VISIT OR EXPLORE ABANDONED PLACES WITHOUT FIRST GETTING PERMISSION.
Most all our source material came from Abandoned Oklahoma with all pictures take by Michael Schwarz (Dunjee School) and Emily Cowan (Eagle Park). Please check out Abandoned OK's fb page, Instagram, and website.
And if you need more, grab a copy of their book "Abandoned Oklahoma: Vanishing History of the Sooner State":
This week Jess wraps up this roller coaster ride with theories and a mind-blowing ending! From how Chub hid in plain sight, to the thrilling friendship author Dale R. Lewis formed with the #1 suspect, Jess keeps us on our toes the entire time. Just one question...did you see this one coming?
Please, please, please check out Dale R. Lewis' book "Footprints in the Dew"!!
Are you ready for a roller coaster of a ride? Your favorite cousins have been MIA for a few weeks, but they're back with a case that has more twists than a tornado! In part 1, of this two-part series, Jess tells us all about one of Oklahoma's most notorious unsolved murders...the murder of rancher EC Mullendore III. Spoiler...Jess will leave you hanging on a cliff! Mullendore was a well-known rancher in Northeastern Oklahoma. On September 26, 1970, Mullendore was brutally beaten and shot in the head. Only one person is known to have been in the home and witnessed events of that evening...Damon "Chub" Anderson. But his story is rather...kooky...
Find the HIGHLY recommended book "Footprints in the Dew" here or at your local OK bookstore!
Hi Cousins! Jess is a bit under the weather, so it’s just Tiff. We decided to take this week off to celebrate the holidays, so please take this chance to catch up on all our episodes.
If you're all caught up, we would LOVE for you toc check out another Oklahoma-based podcast: Sirens: A Southern True Crime Podcast (Find show info here). This podcast is a favorite of your favorite cousins'!! Right now, they have just released a 6-part series over the Freeman-Bible Case out of Welch/Pitcher, OK. The 23rd anniversary of this missing persons case is TODAY! Please hop on over and give them a listen!!
Jess and Tiff want to thank each and every one of you for your continued support! Your listening, sharing our podcast, ratings and reviews mean the world to us! Without you all, we wouldn’t keep doing this! We hope that you are loving it as much as we love researching and delivering the info to you all. So thank you so so much!
As always, you can reach out to us at curiouscousinsok@gmail.com, @curiouscousinsok on Instagram, and @curiouscousinsOKpodcast on Facebook. We will be back next week with a new show and new case! Keep it kooky and spooky!
Cousins! Welcome to Episode 18! This week, your favorite cousins dive into some really spooky haunts here in Oklahoma. Tiff covers NSU's Seminary Hall, while Jess chats about Waurika's famed Rock Island Rooming House. These two haunts definitely need to be on your next roadtrip!
Episode 17 hits your ears today! Jess takes us on an unusual adventure into something quite kooky for Oklahoma...Ship Wrecks. Tiff pairs that with wondering what really is lurking in the waters of our great state....Maybe an OCTOPUS? So grab your favorite snuggly blanket (because we all know the temps have taken a tumble), and cuddle in for a truly kooky (and spooky) ride!
This week your favorite Okie cousins take a look at some kooky, and not too spooky, headlines from around the Sooner State. Strap in for some wild, TRUE STORIES from all over this great state. So if you need a little mental “bubble gum”, we think you’ll really enjoy these kooky, but true stories from home.
Here are some links mentioned in this week’s episode:
Breakfast with Santa at Overholser Mansion: https://www.overholsermansion.org/christmas-at-the-overholser
Tulsa Spirit Tours Creepy Christmas Light Tour: https://www.tulsaspirittour.com/creepy-christmas
UFO Caught on Live TV in OKC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK6dqLMLCtQ
Henry Hates Halloween: https://a.co/d/5tmY6EN
This week the cousins conclude their dive in the mystery of Karen Silkwood's death. Jess and Tiff talk theories, the aftermath, and all the questions still left. If you haven't heard part 1 yet, go check out Episode 14 first!
Here are the links to the sources Tiff used with links:
It Happened in Oklahoma by Robert L. Dorman
Oklahoma’s Most Notorious Cases by Kent Frates
Case 201: Karen Silkwood pt 1 & 2 by The Sirens: A True Crime Podcast
Episode 13: Karen Silkwood by Eerie Okie Podcast
Are you ready for one of Oklahoma's most talked about cases among conspiracy theorists? Then strap in for this two-parter! In a Tiff-Tastic episode, the cousins dive into the Karen Silkwood story. There are so many bumps and twists and turns in this case! Watch out! Karen Silkwood was thought to be on the brink of whistleblowing the Kerr-McGee Corporation on unsafe and lax health, safety, and security measures at its Cimarron Facility in Crescent, OK. On her way to deliver her evidence to both the federal union officials and a New York Times reporter, Karen mysteriously crashes her car into a culvert...and dies...and all her evidence just...disappears... Ride along as the cousin talk facts and theory in this strange, but true story!
Here are the links to the sources Tiff used with links:
It Happened in Oklahoma by Robert L. Dorman
Oklahoma’s Most Notorious Cases by Kent Frates
Case 201: Karen Silkwood pt 1 & 2 by The Sirens: A True Crime Podcast
Episode 13: Karen Silkwood by Eerie Okie Podcast
Cousins! You will notice we have our first guest host today; ASHLEY! Yes! The Ashley from our two listener tales episodes! Ashley is here to talk about her kooky and spooky experiences! Special shoutout to Purviance Metal Art...an Oklahoma original!! Please check them out on Facebook and Instagram @purviance_metal_art!
This week, Jess and Tiff look at two iconic Oklahoma destinations; the Philbrook Museum of Art in Tulsa and the Stone Lion Inn in Guthrie. Both are landmark destinations in any tour of this great state! But are they haunted? Do spooks run amuck? Do pictures' eyes follow you OR fall of the wall at the mention of names? When lights flicker, you know the kooky and spooky are about to come out! And your favorite cousins are here for it!
To plan your trip to Philbrook, checkout their website!
Need a murder mystery dinner and spooky night away? The Stone Lion Inn is open every weekend!
Want to book your own spirit tour in Tulsa? Check out Tulsa Spirit Tours!
We pick up where we left off last week with Jess's dark history about Cattle Annie and Little Britches (not the Disney one, as Tiff points out). So saddle up and get ready for a tale that once again paints a much tamer picture than history would like us to believe!
10! We've made it to 10 episodes! What starts out as a 1 parter, turns into a 2 parter! Jess and Tiff revisit famous Oklahoma Outlaws again...this time, Tiff dives in after the OG Machine Gun Kelly...George "Machine Gun" Kelly that is! He's infamous for the 1933 kidnapping of oil millionaire Charles F. Urschel from his home in the prestigious Heritage Hills neighborhood (knock, knock, Mrs. Overholser? Can we borrow some sugar, neighbor?). Enjoy another myth-buster type ride, where we once again, discover, the "reputation" of the gangster may be more myth and legend than the actual truth. Keep it Kooky and Spooky!
Here are the links to our FAVORITE reference book: 100 Outlaws, Gangsters, and Lawmen by Anderson & Yadon
Here's a link for you to check out Oklahoma Agritourism
Want to book your own kooky and spooky adventure with a Haunted Tulsa Tour? Click Tulsa Spirit Tours
This week Jess and Tiff entertain the masses with YOUR stories! Yes! These tales come from you, our listeners! The cousins share listeners' responses to past shows, as well as, entertain us all with personal stories from the around the state. So enjoy listening to your fellow listeners share their own kooky and spooky tales!
As Oklahomans, we are no stranger to tornadoes. Let's just say it's in our blood. And the aftermath of any tornado is tragic and heartbreaking. To lose a child is unimaginable. Yet, in 1947, that exact thing happened. But...not in the way that one might expect. Following the F5 tornado that hit the town of Woodward, Joan Gay Croft's family was devastated when this beloved 4 year old VANISHED without a trace. Ride along in this Jess-erific episode, where to this day, you are left with more questions than answers. What are your theories to what happened that night, after a terrible twister changed the course of history?
Interested in one of the tours your cousins took? Below you will find the webpages for more info!
For tour information at OKC's Overholser Mansion, click here!
For info on a Guthrie Ghost Walk, click here!
Ready for another spooky ride through Oklahoma? Jess explores our great state's TWO weird Hills; Gravity Hill in Bartlesville and Magnetic Hill in Springer. Tiff dives into the history of the Spook Light (known by many names around these parts...but we'll keep is simple). These are three places you will want to visit at the end of this episode. Keep it Spooky and Kooky!
This week, your Curious Cousins from Oklahoma dive into some dark and kooky history from our home state! Jess exposes Tiff to a story she had never heard about before; the Aerlex Fireworks Disaster. This tragedy is not widely known or discussed...it's time to share the terrible tale! Tiff explains (and puts to rest some myths) the twists and turns regarding the 20 year long battle over who would be the OK State Capital...Guthrie or Oklahoma City?
What a doozy for our first True Crime episode! It's TIFFerific or TIFFtastic (which sounds better?)! Tiff dives into the life and crimes of Roger Dale Stafford and the Sirloin Stockade Murders. This guy, his wife, and probably his brother, were pure EVIL. This episode isn't for the faint of heart! Just be warned...listener discretion is advised for our younger listeners. The book Tiff constantly references is Oklahoma's Most Notorious Cases by Kent Frates. Get you a copy here! Don't forget to like and follow us!
Do you like haunted houses? Well, we do! And what a great way to kick off spooky (and kooky) season by diving into two of Oklahoma's finest HAUNTED mansions (we know, we know...there are several...we'll get there!). Your two favorite cousins come back this week to examine two of the best know paranormal haunted sites in the Sooner/Cowboy/Hurricane/insert-your-college-mascot-here State. Tiff explores the Overholser Manion in OKC, while Jess delves into the Gilcrease House in Tulsa.
After some serious audio issues...and sorry...we are still getting the kinks worked out...Jess and Tiff are back this week talking about 3 more outlaws; Ma Barker, Belle Starr, and Pretty Boy Floyd himself! Join us on a kooky ride where we dive into what is fact and what is fiction...you help us decide!
YES! FINALLY! After several months of planning, Jess and Tiff, two Oklahoma Cousins, are finally debuting their podcast! Both have a great love for all things Oklahoma, true crime, dark history, paranormal, and all things kooky and spooky! Join us as we explore some of Oklahoma's notorious outlaws; Old Tom Starr, Elmer McCurdy, and Henry Starr.
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