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All things Kooky and Spooky in the Sooner (or Cowboy) state! Native Oklahomans and cousins, Jess and Tiff, explore all the dark history, paranormal, and true crime in their home state.
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Tucked away in northwestern Oklahoma, The Cherokee Strip Museum, located in Alva, Oklahoma, is recognized as one of the state's most haunted locations. Established in 1961, the museum originated as a civic and social club and has since evolved into an educational space showcasing the history of Oklahoma's Cherokee Strip. Alva, a city with a rich history dating back to its establishment during the 1893 land run, played a significant role in the development of the region, particularly due to its strategic position on the railway. The museum houses numerous exhibits, including Native American artifacts, a World War II display, and several historical vehicles. Notably, it occupies the former Alva General Hospital, which operated from 1932 until 1972 and is believed to be a focal point of paranormal activity.
Visitors and paranormal investigators report numerous ghostly encounters within the museum, particularly on the upper floors where the hospital's surgical suites remain intact. Accounts include unexplained voices, cold spots, moving objects, and sightings of apparitions, including a little girl and a figure with red hair. The presence of spirits is thought to stem from both former patients and items related to World War II prisoners of war, further enriching the museum's haunted reputation. The Cherokee Strip Museum embraces this ghostly lore, welcoming paranormal investigations and providing a unique blend of history and mystery for its guests.
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Are you ready for one of our kookiest (and honestly, spookiest) stories ever? Eugenics is the study aimed at improving human populations by controlling reproduction to enhance desirable heritable traits. Defined by Merriam-Webster as the practice of selective breeding, it gained prominence through Sir Francis Galton's efforts but faced significant criticism, particularly after its adoption by the Nazis to justify their inhumane treatment of marginalized groups. In the United States, legislative attempts at human sterilization began in the late 19th century, with Indiana passing the first successful statute in 1907. The Supreme Court of Oklahoma later upheld sterilization laws, allowing compulsory sterilization for habitual criminals, which sparked considerable controversy and unrest among inmates.
A notable case involved Jack T. Skinner, who was classified as a habitual criminal after a series of offenses, including theft and armed robbery. Under the 1935 Oklahoma Habitual Criminal Sterilization Act, Skinner's case highlighted the inequalities of the law, which exempted certain white-collar crimes while targeting less affluent individuals. Despite facing significant legal challenges and societal pushback against eugenics, Skinner's legal representation argued for equal protection under the law. The U.S. Supreme Court eventually ruled in Skinner's favor in 1942, emphasizing the need for strict scrutiny regarding sterilization laws, which effectively curbed punitive sterilizations. While the ruling did not directly overturn previous cases, it set a precedent for protecting individual rights in the face of state power, influencing future legal standards.
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Today's episode presents a complex and sensitive case involving former police officer Daniel Ken Holtzclaw, who was charged with multiple counts of sexual assault against African American women while on duty. This case, suggested by listener Nicole Smith, highlights the troubling dynamics of power, race, and gender within the justice system. Holtzclaw, who had a promising athletic career and graduated with a criminal justice degree, was accused of targeting vulnerable women, often those with addiction issues, by running background checks to exploit their situations. The case escalated after a traffic stop in June 2014 led to a formal report by one victim, Jannie Ligons, who bravely came forward, prompting an extensive investigation revealing multiple allegations against Holtzclaw.
As the trial unfolded, it raised critical discussions around police brutality and sexual violence. Holtzclaw was ultimately found guilty of 18 out of 36 charges, sentenced to 263 years in prison. However, the story doesn’t stop there…
This case remains controversial, with arguments about the credibility of the victims and evidence presented during the trial. Supporters of Holtzclaw claim various inconsistencies in the prosecution's case, suggesting that the investigation may have coerced women into testifying against him. The case exemplifies the challenges of navigating allegations against a figure of authority, and it continues to evoke strong opinions about justice, accountability, and the treatment of marginalized communities within the legal system.
Do to the nature of this case, listener discretion is advised.
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EPISODE 100!!!!! 🎉
FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU! Thank you to all our listeners and fans! You all are simply the best! We wouldn’t be here without you! You have truly allowed us to grow and share what we love…the kooky and spooky of our home state!
With that being said, join you favorite cousins as Jess gets into this week’s spooky tales…one in OKC and one in Tulsa; The Hatchet and Hex Houses.
Within the historic Gatewood neighborhood of Oklahoma City lies Carey Place, a street lined with 1930s Mediterranean and Spanish-style homes. The street is known for the urban legends and ghost stories surrounding its homes, particularly the "Hatchet House" where a young girl named Carey was allegedly brutally murdered years ago. The house's distinctive hatchet-carved shutters and the red-painted porch and driveway said to conceal bloodstains from the crime add to the eerie lore. While the details of the legend vary, the neighborhood embraces its haunted reputation, with residents going all-out for Halloween celebrations that draw hundreds of trick-or-treaters each year. Other homes on the street, like one with an irreparable bullet hole in the window, also have their own mysterious stories that contribute to Carey Place's reputation as Oklahoma City's "most haunted neighborhood."
The Tulsa Hex House was a real-life haunted house in Tulsa, Oklahoma with a dark history. In the 1940s, Carolann Smith, a woman with a history of suspicious deaths and insurance fraud, held two women captive in the house's basement for 8 years. Smith had convinced the women, Willetta Horner and Virginia Evans, that she was a healer who could save them from damnation, and subjected them to cruelty, torture, and mind control. Police eventually discovered the women and charged Smith, but she received little punishment. The house was later demolished, but the property remains haunted, with reports of strange occurrences like cars moving on their own in the parking lot that now stands on the site. The Hex House has become a notorious part of Tulsa's history, a chilling tale of religious enslavement, fraud, and the paranormal.
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James Brown Miller, also known as Deacon Jim or Killin' Jim or Killer Miller, was born in 1861 in Arkansas. As a child, he was accused of murdering his grandparents but was never convicted. He later killed his brother-in-law and was charged but the conviction was overturned. Over the years, Miller gained a reputation as a violent outlaw, working as a deputy sheriff, city marshal, and hired assassin. He was involved in numerous killings, often using a shotgun as his weapon of choice, and managed to evade conviction multiple times due to his charming demeanor and skillful defense lawyers.
In 1909, Miller was arrested and charged with the murder of a cattle rancher in Oklahoma. Fearing he would be acquitted again, a mob of 30-40 people broke into the jail, dragged Miller and three other men to an abandoned livery stable, and lynched them. Miller's reign of terror, which spanned around 40 years, finally came to an end. Not a single person was ever questioned, tried, or convicted for these murders. A photograph of the lynching was later sold in tourist shops in Ada, Oklahoma for years afterwards.
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Oklahoma Scoundrels: History’s Most Notorious Outlaws,Bandits & Gangsters by
100 Oklahoma Outlaws, Gangsters, and Lawmen 1839-1939 by Dan Anderson with
One of Oklahoma’s favorite pastimes is spending those hot, summer days at any of our beautiful Oklahoma lakes. Pair that with holiday weekend, and you got yourself summer time gold! The July 4th weekend in 1999 had the markings of just that. However, at some point during that weekend, 14-year-old Bobbie Wofford left her friends to hang out with a newer, rougher crowd…never to be seen alive again. Witnesses placed her talking to a man at a gas station. She may have also been seen at a local bar. On Nov. 4, 1999, her decomposing body was found in the woods.
This week, Jess will walk us through the timeline of events; those last seen moments; the witness testimony; and the confession from serial killer Tommy Lynn Sells. The evidence linking him to the case though is shaky, and Bobbie's death remains unsolved. Her picture and story appears in a set of cold cases card decks. But that is exactly where the case stands…cold. A $5,000 reward is offered, and kookily enough, the FBI profile of the killer has never been publicly released.
This tale is twisty and turny…and may be a bit mature for some listeners…listener discretion is advised.
Special thanks to listener Megan Pope Whitehead for recommending this case!!
If you have any information on the unsolved murder of Bobbie Wofford please contact the Kingfisher County Sheriff at (405) 375-4242.
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Who’s ready for a cryptid to kick off spooky season? Still riding the high of our season premier, Tiff dives into the most famous (or infamous?) cryptid of them all…BIGFOOT!!!
Bigfoot, also known as Sasquatch, is a legendary creature described as a large, hairy, human-like being said to live in North America's forests, particularly in the Pacific Northwest. Featured heavily in American and Canadian folklore, Bigfoot has become a cultural icon with a dedicated following among cryptozoologists who seek to provide evidence of its existence through anecdotal reports, photographs, and other dubious claims. Despite this enthusiasm, the scientific hasn’t completely jumped on board yet. The origins of the Bigfoot legend can be traced to European wild man figures and indigenous tales, with similar creatures appearing in various cultures worldwide.
In the United States, particularly in Oklahoma, there has been a recent resurgence of Bigfoot interest, marked by numerous sightings and dedicated events, such as the annual Bigfoot conference in Honobia. Reports from locals describe encounters with a creature resembling Bigfoot, often characterized by its enormous footprints and foul odor, leading to nicknames like "skunk ape." Researchers like David Wilbanks have documented numerous sightings and experiences in Oklahoma's Kiamichi Mountains and other regions, where they have sought to gather evidence and understand the creature's elusive nature. While there remains skepticism about the existence of Bigfoot, the fascination and cultural significance surrounding it continue to thrive, prompting ongoing exploration and investigation into this mysterious figure.
So…what do you think…is there something lurking in the woods?
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Eerie Oklahoma by Heather Woodward
Kiamichi Bigfoot: Investigating the Oklahoma Sasquatch by David Wilbanks
@bigfoot.society on TikTok
YOO-WHO! WE’RE BAAAAACCCCCKKKKK!!
Welcome, cousins, to SEASON 3, of Oklahoma’s kookiest and spookiest podcast!
Blame it all on our roots…Jess is starting this season with an outlaw episode!
Marlow, Ok, derives its name from the Marlow family, particularly the notorious Marlow brothers who became infamous after the town's establishment. Located in the northwestern quarter of Stephens County, Marlow is situated near major highways and the historic Chisholm Trail. The story of the Marlow family begins with Dr. Williamson Marlow, who, after a series of personal tragedies, became a wandering physician. He and his family settled in the area during the 1880s, where they engaged in farming and trading, eventually becoming embroiled in conflicts that led to their notoriety.
The saga of the Marlow brothers escalated when Boone Marlow shot a cowboy in self-defense, prompting a series of legal troubles that culminated in a mob ambush. In a dramatic confrontation, Boone and his brothers defended themselves against a vigilante mob, resulting in casualties on both sides. Despite being wrongfully accused of horse theft and murder charges, the brothers eventually escaped and sought refuge in Colorado, where they were embraced by the community. The tale of the Marlow brothers, marked by bravery and resilience, has been immortalized in popular culture, including the film "The Sons of Katie Elder," showcasing their legendary status in American history.
We are kicking this season off with a BANG! Join us all season long as we continue to cover all things kooky and spooky in the state of Oklahoma!
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BONUS EPISODE!
Your favorite cousins were thrilled to ask author Janie Nesbitt Jones some questions regarding Red Hall’s infamous tale. This week, listen to the questions Tiff and Jess asked Mrs. Jones, and Mrs. Jones’ answers. If you have any questions for the author, feel free to reach out on her facebook page!!
Just a reminder…this is our last new episode until September when Season 3 will start with Jess telling us a tale about some dark, Oklahoma history!
Thanks for all your continued love and support this season! We are so appreciative and blessed by each and every one of you! We can’t wait to bring you more KOOKY and SPOOKY tales in season 3.
Don’t forget! If you haven’t listened to Episodes 89-94, please do so now! We can’t have our cousins being lost!
**Please check out Janie Nesbitt Jones’ book “The Arkansas Hitchhike Killer: James Waybern ‘Red’ Hall” wherever you get your books!
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The end is here! This week, Tiff wraps up our season finale's deep dive!
Now that the prosecution has spoken their piece, it’s time for the defense to attempt to clear Red’s “good name”...
Last week, we listened to Tiff describe how the prosecution could barely get two words in before the defense had some cockamamie objection in response. THIS WEEK, Tiff walks us through the defense’s side, taking us through numerous doctors and family members of Red’s. Was there something cognitively wrong with Red Hall? Did family members believe Red’s personality was backed by family history? Does Counselor Moody allow witnesses to speak for more than 3 words? If you thought the first part of the trial was a doozy, just wait until you hear this last part!
Strap in as we cover the end of the trail all the way through sentencing and *SPOILER* execution. What are your feelings? Did Red get a fair and just trial? Was justice served to Fay’s family and the fellow victims? Does Moody's antics belong in a modern courtroom? You decided as your favorite cousins conclude the saga that was James Waybern Hall.
Don’t forget! If you haven’t listened to Episodes 89-93, please do so now! We can’t have our cousins being lost!
**Please check out Janie Nesbitt Jones’ book “The Arkansas Hitchhike Killer: James Waybern ‘Red’ Hall” wherever you get your books!
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