Compared To What Podcast

i-respect-music-michael-beinhorn — **Episode 48: The Michael Beinhorn Conversation.** May 28, 2015

Welcome Michael Beinhorn to the Compared To What POdcast family. For those of you who don’t know who Michael is, here’s a brief rundown. A young boy in Queens sells ice cream from a cart, saves his money, buys a micro-moog. He then meets Bill Laswell and helps make one of the most important sampling/synth/drum programming records ever with Herbie Hancock. “Rock it” from “Future Shock” defined an era. Michael was an absolutely integral part of its creation. Then he decided to continue producing and making music ( why not, its fun right?) and went on to Produce The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Soundgarden, Korn , Hole, Marylin Manson , Social Distortion, The Verve Pipe , Ozzy Osbourne and Soul Asylum among many many others.Producing and laboring to make all of those artists best recordings. There, we said it. its true. (because we say its so ). Michael is very up on the state of things in the music business. This episode is enlighting in many areas covering today’s shall we say “interesting” musical climate. Sit back and relax and enjoy the stories. If you can , try to listen to some late 19th century Russian string quartet music in the background. Michael would like that. Welcome to the CTWP family Michael! So psyched to have you on the CTWP fun bus.

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**Episode 47: The Tommy LiPuma and Matt Pierson Conversation Part 2** May 20, 2015

Part 2 of the Tommy LiPuma and Matt Pierson Conversation. The fellas get started RIGHT where they left off. More stories from an incredible life in music. Tommy Lipuma!

gamson — **Episode 45: The David Gamson Conversation** Mar 12, 2015

Question: Who has worked with Miles Davis,Roger Troutman,Marcus Miller,Meshell NdegeocelloJesse J,Kelly Clarkson and written 12 tone music/dodecaphonic jams with disco breakdowns?

Answer: The one and only David Gamson! (If you answered correctly please proceed to the bonus round!)

David Gamson is a song writer/Producer who first came to fame as a major part of 80’s Synth Pop funk band Scritti Politti. With the smash hit “Perfect Way” leading the way Scritti made some astoundingly great albums. This conversation starts with Mowo! admitting he had obsessed over their song “Boom There She Was” while driving down to meet with David. Imagine the surprise Scritti Politti must have had when they learned that Miles Davis was covering “Perfect Way” for his “Tutu” album? That album was produced by Marcus Miller (a friend of CTWP Episode 42). The connections continue with Marcus having also played on the song “Boom There She Was”. That’s how we roll at CTWP. David Gamson also produced the majority of Meshell Ndegeocello’s absolutely classic first recording “Plantation Lullabies”. Mowo! and David sat down in David’s studio and covered everything from virtual synthesis,USB midi controllers,Hans Zimmer,our mutual friend Dave Porter (Episode 30 of CTWP) and Dave’s new TV show “Choose Your Wank” (this is not an actual TV show). David co-wrote Kelly Clarkson’s “Stronger (What Doesn’t Kill You)” (which was nominated for 2 Grammy’s) and has worked recently with Jesse J. More importantly though David is capable of writing 12 tone music with disco beats. Do not SLEEP on that folks! Welcome to the CTWP family David! Very happy to have you in the fold!

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johnny-vidacovich — **Episode 44: The Johnny Vidacovich Conversation** Mar 04, 2015
Johnny Vidacovich is a legend in New Orleans. Name any artist down there and he’s probably worked with them. He’s an Educator , a Poet , a philosopher and probably the only drummer we can think of that breathes like a horn player when playing through the melody. This year during some time down in New Orleans for a gig Charlie got to sit down with his old friend Johnny and talked about such a wide variety of things that we’d be actually hard pressed to explain it in any sort of sensical way. Johnny spent time playing on Riverboats so that’s one thing that you’ll take away from this episode. Also…….not many 16 year olds have played in strip clubs under the guise of staying late at school to take extra Algebra tutoring . That’s how Johnny rolled as a kid. Here’s a list of artists Johnny has played with just for some background Johnny Adams,Professor Longhair,Alvin “Red” Tyler, Mose Allison, Bobby McFerrin and our dear dear friend Charlie Hunter. Welcome to the CTWP Family Johnny.

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wigg2-e1360394248478 — **Episode 43: Charles “Wigg” Walker with your guest Host Greg Bryant** Feb 24, 2015
This episode marks the very first time we’ve opened up the show to a guest host. Please welcome Bassist,Producer and good friend Greg Bryant to the CTWP family. Very happy to have him sit down with Charles “Wigg” Walker…….take it away Greg!

Charles Walker is a soul singer and native of Nashville, Tennessee. He came up through the ranks and earned his stripes among the who’s who of cats. Charles recorded his first single in 1959 for Nashville-based soul label, Champion records. By the time he was 21 in 1961, he moved to Harlem, New York. During his first two years in the city, he went out on the road as the front man with the JC Davis Band on several tours opening for James Brown, Etta James, Little Willie John and Sam Cooke. By the mid 60’s, Charles had settled in NYC and formed his own group “Little Charles and The Sidewinders.” They recorded a singles for Decca and Chess, and held residency in Small’s Paradise for nearly ten years.Since 2007, he’s toured the US and Europe as a member of Charles Walker and the Dynamites (sharing bills with Maceo Parker and Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings) and has recently formed a small group with a new release on the way.

It’s been great getting to know and play behind Charles over the past couple of years. He’s the real deal.
-Greg Bryant
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20130721_stravinski_marcus_miller_lf_0002 — **Episode 42: The Marcus Miller Conversation** Jan 10, 2015

How do you start off a new year of episodes?? With a bang so without further ado please welcome…….(Cue dramatic Las Vegas show room tympani roll)…..Marcus Miller to the Compared To What Podcast Family. Mowo! sits down with Marcus and the two cover a wide range of topics. The two have been friends since late 1986. Mowo! first reached out to Marcus as a fan at the age of 15 writing him a letter only to be astonished about 8 months later when he received a phone call from his idol (run on sentence alert!).Now today in 2015 that seems quite normal as Marcus has cemented himself as not only one of the greatest bass players of his generation but also as one of the best MUSICIANS of his generation. At the time though we’re not so sure he was getting lot’s of fan mail from 15 year old annoying bass players like Mowo! so the timing was great. After an informal audition of Mowo!’s ability as a young bass player during a break at the mix session of E.U’s “Da Butt” where Marcus played drums and Mowo! played ONE million notes, Marcus invited Mowo! to come to any session he was producing to sit,watch and learn. Sit , watch and learn he DID! Those sessions included albums for Miles Davis , David Sanborn , Joe Sample , Luther Vandross , Roberta Flack and Marcus’s group The Jamaica Boys.But enough about Mowo!, lets talk about his childhood……sigh…..So who is this Marcus Miller you may ask? (Thanks for asking)(how on earth do you not know who Marcus Miller is btw?!!?). Just listen to the conversation.That’s him on bass on “Just The Two of Us” ……He co produced and co wrote just about Every Luther Vandross album….. He joined Miles Davis’s band at the ripe old age of 20 isn’t that enough already?!?!?? Chances are he’s scored a film you love, played bass on hit record you love or tap danced his way into your heart somehow by now…..What more do you people need?!?!?!? Please visit his wikipedia page! A not well known fact: Marcus is a huge fan of Gluten Free crackers! That’s all we’re gonna give away from this episode. Very excited to have Marcus in the CTWP family we hope you are too!

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url9 — **Episode 41: The Charlie and Mowo! …………Too conversation** Dec 13, 2014

Your fearless leaders meet up again in Los Angeles and discuss a world of topics. A state of the union if you will. CTWP is rapidly approaching its first birthday and Charlie and Mowo! sit down to discuss what’s coming,what’s happened and government cheese. Charlie happens to be in LA playing with his good buddy, drummer Scott Amendola so why not take this time to sit down and talk about Mowo!’s dearly departed Nigerian Uncle Linus. Charlie’s shares his love of mankind with all. A magical series of moments that you the takers and users get……..for nothing! Sop it up dear listeners………sop away! it’s short but boy is it sweet.

26109_112098808825482_1669204_n — **Episode 40: The Howard Smiley Conversation** Dec 09, 2014

Howard Smiley……..what can we say? He was so behind the scenes in the record business that the only photo we could find of him is one in the kitchen of him making some fried matzoh! Without further ado let us introduce you to Mr. Howard Smiley the man behind the man next to the guy behind the guy…….but don’t let his anonymity fool you. Howard worked some of the biggest records ever as a one man wrecking machine for Henry Stone’s TK Records.The home of artists such as George McCrae , Betty Wright , K.C. And The Sunshine Band , The Village People , Latimore , Ralph Macdonald etc etc…..Howard saw the birth and explosion of Disco happen and he was a big part of it. Howard grew up in south Florida in the late 50’s and 60’s. A nice jewish boy who decided sort of to go into the record business.Kind of by accident as his record business job during college just happened to fit in between classes. He also batted (or attempted to) against hall of famer Steve Carlton in high school but that’s an entirely other story. After an incredible run as the swiss army knife of a gigantic indie label Howard moved to New York from Miami to basically invent the licensing and cross marketing of music for a plethora of other uses. Over the last 40+ years Howard has had his hand in just about every aspect of the music business expect for maybe playing bongos on an album but we hear that’s in the works. He can also hit a jump shot at will from just about anywhere on a basketball court. So here you go folks stories about an incredible time and what used to be an incredible industry filled with stories and characters. Howard was and is one of those amazing characters. Welcome to the CTWP family Howard…….now fry us up some matzoh!!!

shelly peiken — **Episode 39: The Shelly Peiken Conversation** Oct 24, 2014

Joining us this week is the incredible pop songwriter and actual writer,writer Shelly Peiken.She recently had a piece on Huffington Post cause a big stir and her blog “Confessions Of Serial Songwriter” (she’s also writing a book with the same title) http://www.shellypeiken.com/confessions-of-a-serial-songwriter/ is a read you’ll always look forward to after you visit the site (THIS IS NOT A PROMOTION but a tool for creatives to find inspiration) .She writes from her heart. You may know Shelley for hits she’s written for The Pretenders , Natalie Cole , Brandy , Britney Spears , Celine Dion , Backstreet Boys , INXS , Selena Gomez , Backstreet Boys , Keith Urban , Ethel Merman and Phil Silvers (ok…..not Merman and Silvers but you get the drift! ……we just love Merman and Silvers round these parts). Or you may not know her but you will now. She also co-wrote the song “Bitch” for Meredith Brooks. A gigantic hit. A funny story about “Bitch” ……..but you’ll have to listen to the episode to get to that little chestnut. Shelly and Mowo! talk about the state of things. She’s kinda fascinating. She’s worked with so many different types of pop artists in so many settings. A real songwriter in the pop mold. From the older (she is NOT old) school. This episode is a look into the area of the music business you just don’t get to see very often that we’re very happy to share with you. For the first and probably time in the history of this podcast Rhianna and Sam Smith will be spoken about. Fear not, it’s in a context that makes sense. Shelley speaks to writing songs today and staying in your lane. She’s driven. Do NOT let the calm nice voice fool you. She has found success in a “Game Of Thrones” environment. She’s also fun to sit down and talk to. You’ll enjoy this episode. Welcome to the CTWP family Shelley.

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10553621_10154388517370375_3840373898037640553_n — **Episode 38: The Third Story vs. Compared To What Conversation** Oct 14, 2014
Leo Sidran, musician, producer, and composer SORT of joins the show this week. You see, Leo is the host of an incredible podcast called “The Third Story” and he got in touch with us recently with a brilliant idea to have a conversation about our two shows and each other. Mowo! took the call and sat down in Brooklyn at Leo’s studio. Leo’s father is Ben Sidran an incredible artist composer and producer and also a friend of Mowo!’s dad Joel Dorn. Leo – Drummer , Mowo! – Bassist……it was meant to be. Both fathers are spoken about at length during this episode. Also covered ? Being a musician today. Growing up in the shadows of fathers also in music. Electronic music and technology and making the perfect egg cream ( that wasn’t actually spoken about ). The conversation goes back and forth a lot. Leo has an incredible ability to interview folks so at points it gets a little Mowo! heavy! That was not the goal but Mowo! plus caffeine equals TALKINGGGGGG!!!! We also speak about the Peterson brothers, Leo’s amazing time spent living in Spain and eventually working on the Oscar™ winning film “The Motorcycle Diaries”. Mowo!’s time as a youth ( pronounced my Cousin Vinnie style please ) in the studio with Marcus Miller ( yeah yeah yeah….we’ve heard about that guy before! ) . An all around great sit down with two kindred spirits ( yes I just wrote that….sorry ). Also,check out Leo’s incredible music if you get a chance. The Compared To What podcast is absolutely stoked to now be part of The Third Story collection of stories and vice a versa. Good times indeed.

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10563104_10154379947575468_6483253078543981956_n — **Episode 37: The Vernon Reid Conversation** Oct 08, 2014
Charlie sits down with Vernon Reid in a bookstore in Staten Island or “North Shaolin” as Vernon calls it. You probably know Vernon as the driving force behind the incredible band Living Colour . Charlie and Vernon touch on a wide ranging variety of topics including Vernon having given Charlie one of his first big gigs opening up for Living Colour. The advent of the Saxophone , The Importance of Eddie Harris , Leonard Bernstein’s knowledge and focus on jazz as a composer , The inconvenience of genius , the mystery of Trap music , Tom Jenkinson aka Squarepusher ( not Wilkenson Vernon ) and attitude being everything. The two wind their way through a multitude of topics. Vernon has worked in so many different circumstances as a musician and producer to name them all would be impossible. Some highlights include Producing and playing with James Blood Ulmer , Geri Allen , Salif Keita , Bill Frisell , Marcus Miller, The Yohimbe Brothers with DJ Logic and many many more. Such a creative career. We are incredibly proud to add Vernon to The Compared To What collection of stories. Also……..”Mr. Magic…….Chuck Brown…..”Luke I am your Father moment……”

peter-stage1 — **Episode 36: The Peter Bunetta Conversation** Oct 01, 2014
Peter Bunetta joins “the merry mix up” this week here at Compared To What. Peter has produced many hit records from the mid 80’s on. Patti Labelle , Smokey Robinson , Kenny G. (Just remember the classic W.C. Field’s line from the mother of the little obnoxious girl in “The Bank Dick” …”I bet you’d like a nose that big full of nickels!” ) , Matthew Wilder , and many many many more. He’s also the father of Julian Bunetta , currently one of the biggest producers in the game of Pop music ( One Direction ). While that particular hustle is not our area of expertise over here in our corner of the world Peter and the entire Bunetta family are long time friends. Peter and Mowo! sit down and talk about everything from today’s record business , Touring in the 70’s. Working with Clive Davis , Fly Williams and many more topics. A great new addition to the collection we’re building. Thanks Peter! Enjoy everyone!

**Episode 35: The Al Kooper Conversation** Sep 09, 2014
Al Kooper and Charlie Hunter get together and Al makes Charlie an amazing hotdog. They chomp on chips and talk about ………..well we don’t wanna get ahead of ourselves. Let’s welcome Al Kooper to The Compared To What Podcast. For those of you who know Al Kooper no real introduction is needed. For those of you who do not you are about to hear from one of the real legends of music. Period. Al has written massive hit songs, played on some of the most incredible records ever. Produced classic recordings. At 16 he wrote the massive hit “This Diamond Ring” and the story he tells about it is spectacular. What followed is a career that is unmatched. He played with Bob Dylan (That’s Al playing organ on the classic recording “Like A Rolling Stone” ). He was a founding member of Blood Sweat and Tears ( leaving the band after the first album was made ). He recorded with and played with the following artists The Rolling Stones , B.B King, Alice Cooper ( another “Al Kooper” ), The Who, Jimi Hendrix,George Harrison Cream …….basically slouches. (not slouches). He discovered the band Lynyrd Skynyrd. Produced their first 3 albums and performed on them which includes the classic recordings “Sweet Home Alabama” and “Free Bird”. He even was the musical force behind the 70’s kids TV classic “The Banana Splits” ……name another guy with a list of credits and experience like this?? You cannot. Charlie and Al sit down and talk about a wide variety or topics. A fascinating conversation. Al Kooper joins the CTWP family. ( and yes there are some jumps here and there because every once in a while……..things went off the record. Totally understandable ) also……Jimmy Miller is the drummer on “You Cant Always Get What You Want” (You’ll understand why I wrote this when you hear the episode)

MtumePhoto — **Episode 34: The Mtume Conversation** Sep 03, 2014

Mtume….Musician,Producer,Composer,Political Activist,Radio Show host. Mtume is not someone that can be put in one box. That’s just not gonna happen. Mowo! had the absolute pleasure of being able to sit down with Mtume after Mtume finished his weekly radio show. 8am on a Sunday morning in NYC made MOWO! think of the famous Lenny bruce bit where Lenny gets called at 8 am and the caller says “Did I wake you up Lenny?” and Lenny says “Of course not, I always get up 14 hours before I go to work……”. There was no set of circumstances that were gonna keep this episode from happening. Along with his incredible stint with Miles Davis during the 70’s he also had a band under his own name that had some massive hits. Look up “Juicy Fruit” …….you’ve heard it 45,985,957 times on its own and sampled by many hip hop artists. We purposely didn’t even touch on this because there were so many other things to talk about. McCoy Tyner, Freddie Hubbard , Roberta Flack , Stephanie Mills , etc, etc. We touched on Mtume being a young black competitive swimmer in the 60’s. We touch on his now famous debate with jazz critic and prickly know it all Stanley Crouch and many many other things. Also joining us from time to time is Mtume’s partner Melody Fox so don’t be surprised by the occasional female voice. We are extremely proud to have Mtume now be part of the Compared To What family. So is Nile Rodgers…….

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STEVE-BERLIN-cortesía — **Episode 33: The Steve Berlin Conversation** Aug 18, 2014

Steve Berlin learned it the right way. Some of you may know Steve from his being a member of Los Lobos. He’s also been a member of The Blasters and Top Jimmy And The Rhythm Pigs. He was born in Philly and subsequently moved to LA and cut his teeth working on just about every style of music you can mention. His resume as a producer and sideman is incredible Angelique Kidjo, John Lee Hooker , Smithereens, Willy Nelson , Sheryl Crowe, Pual Simon , Rickie Lee Jones , Buckwheat Zydeco , Doug Sahm the list goes on and on and on. Charlie and Steve got to sit down over the weekend during the Monterrey Jazz festival and have a great conversation. Steve talks about how Los Lobos broke, his friendship and apprenticeship/touring experiences with Lee Allen ( Look up Lee Allen…….LEGEND ) and making it as a young musician in the wilds of late 70’s Los Angeles. An incredible addition to the world of Compared To What.

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harry-manx — **Episode 31: The Harry Manx Conversation** Jul 30, 2014

Harry Manx is best described as where East meets West musically. “Mysticsippi”. Harry plays an instrument called the Mohan Veena the invention of Vishwa Mohan Bhatt a very unique stringed instrument with 20 strings. Charlie sits down with Harry and talks about the incredible world of busking and being a street musician. For Charlie and Harry to sit down is kind of incredible. They both play and have mastered instruments that they basically pioneered. A very unique interaction between two incredibly gifted musicians. Harry spent 12 years in India learning how to play this instrument and unlearning what he had about a slide instrument up until that point. Harry explains in detail how he came to learn the instrument and how much it changed everything about his life. A very heavy set of circumstances. An incredible tail. He would go to Japan from time to time to play on the street so he could come back to India and have some money. Pretty wild in and of itself to be a Canadian surfing between those two intensely different cultures. One of the types of conversations that makes this show so worth doing. We really hope you enjoy it!.

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portersmaller — **Episode 30: The Dave Porter Conversation** Jul 06, 2014

Who’s the dude that wrote all that insanely cool music on the TV show “Breaking Bad” and writes like 40 minutes per episode on “The Black List” ?? Answer : Our good friend Dave Porter.( hearty round of applause ). Mowo! sits down with the composer who just won ASCAP’s “Tv Composer Of The Year Award” for “Best Tv Music” for his work on the aforementioned programs. Dave is not a man of many words he let’s his music do his talking for him. He and Mowo! cover many things as their friendship has spanned over 20 years. An interesting look into the world of composers. A fun time is had by all. We’re extremely happy to have Dave be part of The Compared To What Podcast family now!

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1410691_1382881308629785_1494445991_o — **Mini Episode-The Dorthaan Kirk Conversation** Jul 05, 2014

Charlie sits down with the wife of jazz legend Rahsaan Roland Kirk to find out that Dorthaan is a legend in her own right! Mowo! and Charlie discuss the awesomeness that is Dorthaan!

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erickalb1 — **Mini Episode – The Eric Kalb Conversation** Jul 05, 2014

Charlie sits down with our good friend Eric Kalb and has what one would call a rather hysterical conversation about the adventures of Drummer Eric Kalb. Not to be missed!!

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brad-parker — **Episode 28: The Brad Parker Conversation** Jun 09, 2014

CLICK THE LINK BELOW ITS INSANELY AWESOME

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Mowo! had the honor of sitting down with Brad Parker. The two had met just about 10 days earlier at a music business meeting of songwriters and composers. Brad is a musician, a songwriter, a progressive thinker , a lobbyist and problem solver. Brad has a real clear viewpoint on what ails the music business and the United States in general. Raised in Iowa , New Mexico and Texas in the late 50’s and 60’s Brad and his brother figured out that sooner or later they’d be drafted into Vietnam so like any teenage musicians from the late 60’s they decided to move to San Francisco in the late 60’s. This episode covers a lot of ground. The late 1960’s Bay Area movement in music , political thought , food etc etc. brad’s had a lot of success as a songwriter and producer. His body of work ranges from Psychedelic Rock, Punk , Country music and 80’s Hair Bands to Cher to Asian Pop. A wide range of work in music. brads take on how the music business works and what needs to change kicks in about halfway into the conversation. It’s what its all about. Artists , Songwriters and Label owners as Eddie Harris once said…….”Listen Up”.The conversation settles on a bigger picture of ISP’s , Big Technology and how the internet will be run and what we can think of and try to do to change that. A great episode and a welcomed addition to the Compared to What Podcast collection. Enjoy. *** We sat outside in the lovely country side of South Pasadena…….so you might hear some outside noises. Big deal. Content Content content rules the day.

matt-pierson-1 — **Episode 27: The Matt Pierson Conversation** Jun 02, 2014
CLICK THE LINK BELOW…….AND GET THAT NIGERIAN INHERITANCE YOUR UNCLE LINUS LEFT YOU!

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So you wanna go into the record business eh kid? Meet Matt Pierson. Matt has a long creative history in the record business. He got his start as the buyer for Peaches Records and Tapes in Miami in the early 80’s while attending the University of Miami on a full scholarship as a trumpet player. Born and raised in the Detroit area and the son of a professional musician it took until one night on a gig as the second chair trumpet player to realize that it might be another 10-15 years before he moved over to the first chair and that maybe, just maybe he had some more to offer in the way of skills. Matt moved to NYC in 1988 and after a little bit of luck and a lot of effort landed a gig at the Blue Note Record label where he learned from Bruce Lundvall and Michael Cuscuna ( a protege of Mowo!’s dad Joel Dorn ). Matt climbed the ladder quickly ultimately being plucked up by Warner Brothers to head their soon to be booming Jazz Department. Matt has produced and signed an incredible amount of artists over the years. While at Warners alone the roster he built included Joshua Redman , Kenny Garrett , Brad Mehldau , Larry Goldings , Joe Sample, George Duke and Kirk Whalum. A stunning roster in what were otherwise in some people’s minds very lean times for jazz. A musician, a producer, a businessman and a creative soul Matt sits down with Charlie and the two touch on so many topics that we don’t even really know where to begin to explain all of them. It’s a long episode. We didn’t want to split it in two. Ladies and Gents get your private Jets fueled and ready for takeoff. Matt Pierson will be your inflight entertainment. Don’t drift off.

Style: "70's look" — **Episode 25: The Joe Satriani Conversation** May 13, 2014

Dateline 1979: A young Charlie Hunter with his mom stumbles into a local guitar shop in Berkley,CA looking to pick up some basics so he can just know how to play a little guitar. The teacher he would meet that day happened to be a young Joe Satriani who just happened to have a gig teaching local kids how to play guitar. Not metal guitar , not progressive rock guitar. ACTUAL guitar. Nuts and bolts guitar. So it was at Second Hand Guitars that a young Charlie got his ass handed to him on a weekly basis by a slightly older Joe. Joe just so happens to have also studied with Lennie Tristano. Think you know somebody by their body of work or the style the specialize in? You don’t.Not many of you would expect that Joe would be Charlie’s teacher. Both have such distinct styles and sound on their instruments. Says a lot about both Joe’s teaching ability and Charlie’s dedication to learning and developing on his instrument. Joe and Charlie sat down in the lobby of a hotel in New York City that wasn’t gracious enough to give them a quiet place to conduct and interview. Thanks unknown overpriced midtown joint in Manhattan!!! Charlie and Joe speak about Joe’s start of his solo career by putting the expenses of his first record completely on a credit card. Taking a shot on making an instrumental rock guitar album during a time where nobody bought them. Joe invented something. Joe reluctantly taught at the guitar store for ten years and helped shape the styles and playing a many players in the area. An incredible conversation between old friends with a real love of music. CLICK THE LINK BELOW AND ALL THE MYSTERIES OF LIFE WILL BE SOLVED

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kristyedmunds — **Episode 24: The Kristy Edmunds Conversation** May 05, 2014

Question: Who’s the only artistic director of a major world player arts program that also happens to be able to say they had a full athletic scholarship to Montana State University to play volleyball? I know,this is a gimme question but for those few of you that don’t already know the answer please allow us to introduce you to Kristy Edmunds. Kristy runs Center for The Art Of Performance or as it’s more well known “CAP”. UCLA’s spectacular performing arts center. Mowo! sat down with Kristy and had an entertaining and frank discussion about the experience of running an arts program and her journey as an artist in her own right.While still in her 20’s in 1995 Kristy founded the Portland Institute For the Contemporary Arts (PICA) which is still going strong. Kristy then left the United States and ran the highly creative and influential Melbourne International Arts Festival from 2005-2008. When she finished up her unprecedented 4 year run there she then served as the Deputy Dean of Victorian College of The Arts at The University Of Melbourne. Having said that we’ve reached a new all time high here at the Compared To What Podcast a Dean has joined us and we just used the adjective “unprecedented” …heady stuff for us.The Dean is here so behave or you will be put on double secret probation dear listener. Kristy is the perfect addition to the show. No pretense , no bullshit. Kristy’s a straight shooter who is in it for the love of the experience of discovering and presenting new and bold things in all aspects of art. She is the master of provoking folks into caring about the arts. A real defender of the arts and why they really matter who also happens to want to run a hotdog cart with an open mic. She can also play some mean volleyball. it’s win win people……enjoy!

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90142*304 — **Episode 23: The Dave Dederer Conversation.** Apr 28, 2014

Charlie sat down with Dave Dederer and had an incredible chat. You guys may know Dave as the guitarist of The Presidents of The United States Of America. Dave joins Charlie in his hotel room, makes a coffee. Dave is a fascinating individual because he’s managed to find success in both music and in the white collar world. Two very different worlds indeed. He also worked at a communist pizza parlor. Just had to put that out there because I wonder if they had a “Trotsky Pie” and what would be on it. Maybe Dave can answer that? We hear about the changes in Seattle over the years. Dave also tells us about how he came to a crossroads in his late twenties with the creation of The Presidents and the success that came with it after having been a teacher and grad student. It’s a wild thing to find success in making music at that point in your life. You’ll love the way he explains that experience. Fans of the Presidents will also love listening to Charlie’s explanation of the Presidents sound and his complimentary words about their process and what they created. They touch on the using of space in music,Rahsaan Roland Kirk, Nels Cline. We’re proud to have Dave join the merry mix up here at The Compared To What Podcast and hope you enjoy this conversation. CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION IN ENGLISH!

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Rocco Smaller — **Episode 22: The Rocco Urbisci Conversation** Apr 21, 2014

What’s the absolute coolest thing that George Carlin and Richard Pryor have in common? ( hint……it wasn’t having heart attacks) ….ok…..The answer is Rocco Urbisci. Rocco worked closely along side Richard Pryor on multiple films and tv shows. He co-wrote “Jo Jo Dancer Your Life Is Calling” with Richard and also Directed the NBC series “The Richard Pryor Show”. As if that wasn’t amazing enough in and of itself, Rocco is also directed all the comedy specials during George Carlin’s amazing run on HBO between 1986 and 2008. Throw in some incredible work with Lily Tomlin on a couple of specials and one woman shows and you begin to see that Rocco has really worked on and helped shape some of the most important comedy of an entire generation. Mowo! got to sit down with Rocco in the intimate setting of The Santa Monica Playhouse (btw, thanks Santa Monica Playhouse for allowing us to use the main stage for this episode very nice of you guys). The two touched on many subjects and Rocco spoke glowingly of both Richard Pryor and George Carlin. He also basically makes it about the artists. He’s NOT about him…..he’s about them. Good times indeed. Enjoy.

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Alekesam_Stills-10-1024x576 — **Episode 18: The Stewart Levine Conversation Part 2** Mar 25, 2014

This week we continue our conversation with the great Stewart Levine. For those that don’t remember where we left off we had decided to break for lunch. I can now confirm that a Badger Salad was NOT on the menu. Please check out part 1 of the conversation because I don’t want to repeat who and what Stewart Levine is here. During this conversation we cover Stewart’s time producing mega hits in England with Simply Red , Womack & Womack and Jamie Cullum. We also cover Stewart’s very spot on viewpoint of the American Idol show. I don’t want to give anything else away. Just give it a listen , you’ll be glad you did. (Stewart is the one on the left in the photo. His son Sunny is on the right…….two great cats. Oh and yes that’s Levine up top giving us a little taste on the sax. CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION

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SidneyGreenmanCTWP — **Episode 17: The Sidney Greenman Conversation** Mar 17, 2014

Charlie got to sit down with his 103 year old grandfather Mr. Sindey Greenman. Born in New York, City in 1911, Sidney remembers clearly the efforts to support the troops in WW I. That’s right I said WW I. He used to bring peach pits to school to support the war effort but you’ll have to listen to the episode to understand why. (it’s kind of amazing actually). Speaking of World Wars, Mr. Greenman also served his country in WW II in the Pacific theater. The son of jewish immigrants from Poland who went on to attend Harvard’s Law School starting in 1928. He’s about as great an example of the “American Dream” as it gets. To say that we are honored to have a guest like this is sort of along the lines of saying “Muhammad Ali was a pretty good boxer”. It’s incredible to hear someone so clearly explain life in the early 20th century in the United States as Sidney does. He vividly remembers horse drawn fire engines and when the site of a plane flying in the air used to stop everyone in their path in amazement . He also got to see Cab Calloway on a kind of regular basis at the Cotton Club. It’s just a fascinating story we hope you all enjoy. Also, if you’ve ever wondered to yourself “Do I know anyone that’s ever seen Ty Cobb play in person?” …..well ,now you do and his name is Sidney Greenman. CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION

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James_Gadson_Drummer — **Episode 16: The James Gadson Conversation** Mar 10, 2014

It brings us great joy to add legendary drummer and incredible human being James Gadson to The Compared To What Podcast family of conversations. Mowo! got to visit James at his home and sit with him for a little while and chat. It’s not often you get to sit down with someone that can say (very modestly we might add) that they’ve played on upwards of 500 Gold and Platinum albums. For those not familiar with James here’s a quick list of artists he has played with: Bill Withers , Charles Wright And The Watts 103rd Street Rhythm Band , Dyke and The Blazers , The Jackson 5 , Marvin Gaye , Paul McCartney , Beck , Lady Gaga , Lalo Schifrin , Freddie King , The Isley Brothers, Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock, Smokey Robinson, and Frank Sinatra………quite a list right? It might even be easier to list the artists James HASN’T worked with. That list would be shorter! James is easily one of the most recorded AND sampled drummers of all time. An unmistakeable sound and feel. One of kinds actually applies when you speak of James Gadson. So many things were covered in the short amount of time we hung out. Things are not quite as they would seem when it comes to how James learned how to play drums. Drummers take notice of the story of his progression as a drummer/musician. You will be surprised to learn that James was actually not much of a pocket player until well into his late 20’s. This is an astonishing fact based on his grand master level knowledge of “the pocket”. Good things come to those who wait. We really hope you enjoy this episode. It’s a special one……and yes…..you’ll hear some rainfall in the background. It does rain in southern California after all! CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO LISTEN TO THE CONVERSATION

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previte2 — **Episode 13: The Bobby Previte Conversation** Feb 17, 2014

Charlie sat down with Bobby Previte and had probably the most complete conversation to date on the show. It begins and ends on the same note. Really an incredible conversation. The epitome of what we want you guys to experience as listeners to this show. Bobby has had a really accomplished career as a drummer. One of the originators and main proponents of the New York “Downtown” music scene in the early 1970’s. He has worked with many different acts and is a leader in his own right. Bobby has worked extensively with Wayne Horvitz , Elliot Sharpe , John Zorn and Bill Frisell for example. More importantly just listen to the stories and the attitude of this conversation. If you’re a young creator of anything in any field actually hopefully this is inspirational for you as Charlie and Bobby repeatedly speak about constantly reevaluating their work on a regular basis. One of the great points of the conversations is the balance between musician and entertainer. Bobby has some amazing viewpoints on this and likes to think that every once in a while it’s not so bad if you have to sit through some music that actually makes you feel as the listener like you’re taking a gigantic virtual risk. Why would that be so bad? Every once in a while it’s not so bad for the listener to know what it feels like to be lost at sea. It’s just music, you aren’t actually lost at sea! If you ever meet Bobby,try not to be clever he has had enough of clever. A good thing also to remember is that “the sleek have inherited the earth”…CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION

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**Episode 10: The Moby Conversation** Feb 04, 2014

Mowo! got to sit down with his old pal Moby. It should be noted that he got to sit down with his friend Moby outside poolside at Moby’s house.From time to time the audio is compromised by the subtle breezes of the rarified air of the Hollywood Hills hitting the recorders microphone. We apologize for the audio blips and bleeps but the content of the conversation far outweighs the audio quality. Subjects touched upon = The rats of the Hollywood Hills , Crack Addicted Landlords , Junkies jumping into garbage from the 3rd story of an East Village apartment building. The hidden secrets of Los Angeles , Two fellas moving to Los Angeles after a lifetime in New York City. A fun conversation that starts out with Moby explaining for the listener how he felt his career was over when “Play” was released. We all know how that worked out. It’s fun to sit down with a friend to find out he admires another very close friend and wishes he had more recognition. Moby’s comments about Hal Willner (the friend in question) alone are worth the listen. Also every once in a while it sounds like we are sitting on a boat and the anchor is hitting the side while we are drifting. Appropriate when you’re speaking to someone named Moby (………….moan here……now) CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO HEAR TWO BALD MEN SPEAK TO EACH OTHER ……….OH , AND THE EPISODE TOO.

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Dionne Ep Photo — **Episode 9: The Dionne Farris Conversation** Jan 28, 2014

Charlie got to sit down with old friend Dionne Farris. You may know Dionne from her days as a key member of the Hip Hop group Arrested Development. Without a doubt you know her her smash hit from the 90’s “I know”. She’s an incredible singer and musician who has continued to grow and master her craft. Do not judge this book by it’s cover. Dionne breaks down the experience of pop stardom and it’s a really fascinating tale indeed. You’ll really enjoy this conversation and you may even hear Charlie’s dog running around in the background too. That’s how we roll. CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION

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GaryStromberg(1) — **Episode 8: The Gary Stromberg Conversation** Jan 28, 2014

How many people do you know that can say that they’ve worked with Ray Charles, The Rolling Stones and Charles Manson? The answer is none. You know actually none people that can say that until now. Meet Gary Stromberg. Gary is a fascinating individual. He got his start in film making , moved on to publicity with a very very short foray into recording producing with a homicidal maniac named Charles Manson. Shortly after that he produced one of the classic films of the 1970’s entitled “Car Wash”. Did I also mention he’s a best selling author who’s book “The Harder They Fall” is an incredible tail about fame and addiction. Mowo! got to sit down with his old pal Gary and talk some talk. We hope you enjoy it.CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO HEAR FROM A NICE JEWISH BOY ABOUT CHARLES MANSON…………..AND OF COURSE THE EPISODE.

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**We really want to thank everyone for stopping by on the opening day!** Jan 21, 2014

What an incredible opening day here at the podcast. Thousands have stopped by and we are blown away by the support. A big thank you from your hosts

Charlie and Mowo!

960x595 — **Episode 7: The Paul Canales Conversation** Jan 21, 2014
If you ever get a chance to meet Paul Canales please ask him about the process of opening and starting a restaurant. His explanation of this process when Charlie sat down with him is one of the funniest things we’ve heard in years. it’s the stuff that this podcast is all about actually. Paul owns and is the head Chef at Oakland’s Duende. Duende is very hip (actually hip not this new nonsensical version of the word) restaurant that features some of the bay areas most creative music as well. AS mentioned Charlie got to sit down with Paul on the middle of a busy day of prep and hear some great stories. By the way Paul might know more about jazz than most jazz musicians. A really enjoyable conversation. CLICK THE LINK BELOW BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON WORDPRESS HATES US AND HAS MADE ALL OF OUR AUDIO PLAYERS VANISH! ( AND YOU CAN HEAR THIS EPISODE )

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Nels-Cline-1 — **Episode 6: The Nels Cline Conversation** Jan 20, 2014
Nels Cline more than anyone understands the expression. “slow and steady wins the race”. Charlie got to sit down with Wilco’s guitarist and talk about the long creative road that lead him to joining one of rocks most creative bands. A real innovator on his instrument Nels is one of the best conversations yet and funny enough it was Charlie’s very first interview…….He’s a natural! (round of applause) The two cover a wide range of experiences that Nels as had over the span of many years. Do yourself a favor and check out the wide variety of work Nels has done over the years. CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO HEAR THIS EPISODE!!

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images — **Episode 5: The Les McCann Conversation** Jan 17, 2014

Les McCann is one of the true legends of music. At least that’s how we look at it here at the Compared To What Podcast. While some of you may be familiar with his mega hit recording along with Eddie Harris of “Compared To What”(yes the inspiration for the name of this podcast). He also is a real innovator in the history of recorded music. A real pioneer in the use of Synthesizers (please check out the album “Layers”). A great singer,songwriter,comedian,photographer and just about everything else. Les also just knows how to make an audience feel good. He’s all about making the room swing. It should also be noted he is basically our favorite piano player ever. Take that Jazzer-Know-It-Alls! CLICK BELOW TO HEAR FROM ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING HUMANS , SINGERS AND PIANO PLAYERS OF ALL TIME………..EPISODE AUDIO LINK BELOW

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Lalah Hathaway; photo by Jonathan Mannion — **Episode 4: The Lalah Hathaway Conversation** Jan 15, 2014
Brand New Grammy Winner Lalah Hathaway is probably the most singular voice of her generation. She’s also an incredible musician who will sing a chord at will and slay you. Deservedly she’s also been nominated (thankfully WON this year) for multiple Grammies. Mowo! was lucky enough to sit down with her and have a nice chat ranging through many topics. The one major thought that was left with Mowo! after this conversation is that Lalah should eventually host some sort of Late Night Talk show. They also spoke a little bit about their fathers having worked together on a couple of classic recordings. CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO HEAR THIS EPISODE.

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MikeClark_Daily — **Episode 3: The Mike Clark Conversation** Jan 14, 2014
Mike Clark is one of the best drummers you’ve ever heard. Believe me on this because you’ve probably heard him hundreds of times without realizing you have. Mike has appeared on a massive amount of Hip-Hop and R&B hits via sampling a topic Mike and Charlie touch on briefly. Mike is known for being an important part of Herbie Hancock’s Headhunters. Mr. Clark was at the center of a very fertile and creative music scene in the Bay Area in the mid late 60’s. A scene where rock, funk , soul and jazz collided and became a very specific thing. Mike is the living master of aforementioned “thing”. Known for being about to play the ever changing incredibly funky yet sophisticated groove that is informed by all the styles mentioned earlier. We are honored to have him be part of this collection os stories and conversations. CLICK THE LINK BELOW IF YOU LOVE HEARING ABOUT DRUMMERS AND TRANNIES!!! ( AND OF COURSE ABOUT MIKE CLARK )

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**Episode 2: The Stewart Levine Conversation** Jan 13, 2014
Stewart Levine is many things. Record Producer,Musician,Raconteur and Expert Cappuccino Brewer are but a few of these things. Mowo! after much wrangling and convincing got Mr. Levine (a.k.a “The President”) to sit down and talk about his experiences in music and life in general. For those who have ever wondered what it was like to tour in a big band this is the conversation for you! I hope you like Seconals ,Vodka and Pernod. Truly one of the most enjoyable conversations Mowo! has had in years. Also if you happen to meet Mr. Levine ask him who his favorite contemporary jazz musicians are and you’ll get a great response. For those interested in Stewart Levine’s credits as a producer: Hugh Masekela,The Crusaders,Simply Red, Jamie Cullum,Joe Cocker,Sly Stone, Van Morrison, and Bobby Womack are on the list.

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100513 — **Episode 1: The Charlie Hunter and Mocean Worker Introduction To The Podcast Conversation** Jan 12, 2014

Welcome to the Podcast. Seriously,sit down and relax,get comfortable and prepare yourself for probably the best conversation about the inspiration for the starting of a podast between a 7 string guitarist and a 30’s inspired electronic musician you will ever hear. Impressed? We know we are. In this episode The hosts sit down and interview each other about why they wanted to start the show in the first place. “This was Charlie’s idea so blame him!” says co-host Adam Dorn (A.K.A Mocean Worker). We wanted to create a conversation show. Some folks might think this is an interview show but really we just sit down with people that we really admire and get more of a sense of who they are and why they do what they do. Is it a music show? Not really. It’s just conversations about life in America seen through the eyes of creative Americans and Americants. CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO LISTEN TO THE CONVERSATION.

p.s. What’s up with the “urban graffiti” settings Charlie and Mowo! are hanging out in in these pictures!?!? Is that a shot from Charlie’s days on “The Wire” ……is this Mowo! as “Toilet Trader” ??

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mowo1 — **Episode 1: The Charlie Hunter and Mocean Worker Introduction To The Podcast Conversation** Jan 12, 2014

Welcome to the Podcast. Seriously,sit down and relax,get comfortable and prepare yourself for probably the best conversation about the inspiration for the starting of a podast between a 7 string guitarist and a 30’s inspired electronic musician you will ever hear. Impressed? We know we are. In this episode The hosts sit down and interview each other about why they wanted to start the show in the first place. “This was Charlie’s idea so blame him!” says co-host Adam Dorn (A.K.A Mocean Worker). We wanted to create a conversation show. Some folks might think this is an interview show but really we just sit down with people that we really admire and get more of a sense of who they are and why they do what they do. Is it a music show? Not really. It’s just conversations about life in America seen through the eyes of creative Americans and Americants. CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO LISTEN TO THE CONVERSATION.

p.s. What’s up with the “urban graffiti” settings Charlie and Mowo! are hanging out in in these pictures!?!? Is that a shot from Charlie’s days on “The Wire” ……is this Mowo! as “Toilet Trader” ??

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nels — **Mini Episode: Nels Cline** Jan 07, 2014

Charlie and Mowo! discuss Nels Cline. You may know Nels as the guitarist for Wilco. You may not however know Nels as a product specialist for the Roland Corp. He tells an incredible story about demo’ing products at a trade show but don’t worry yourself about that now. Listen to Charlie and Mowo! talk about Nels instead!

les-mccann-milano-62 — **Mini Episode: Les McCann** Jan 06, 2014

Charlie and Mowo! discuss the amazingness that is Les McCann. This very podcast is named after and inspired by Les McCann and Eddie Harri’s rendition of the timeless classic…..”Compared To What”. Mowo! talks about growing up and knowing Les and eventually touring with him as a bass player. Also it should be noted that Les is just about one of the best piano players ever. There……..I said it.

**Mini Episode: Lalah Hathaway** Jan 04, 2014

Lalah Hathaway is a grammy nominated recording artist who probably should also be considering a career in comedy and late night talk show hosting…….Charlie and Mowo! discuss Mowo’s sit down with his old friend and chord singing genius Ms. Hathaway.

Your Hosts Charlie Hunter and Mocean Worker have a message for you! Jan 02, 2014

Welcome to The Compared To What Podcast.

Charlie Hunter and Mocean Worker are your hosts. (Please look them up on the interwebs. They’ve worked on some incredible music over the years)

The show is inspired by the classic recording “Comapred To What” by Les McCann and Eddie Harris. The song was written by Gene McDaniels and lyrically is perfect not only for the time they were written in 1960’s) but very much for today as well. Technically the podcast went live at 3:05 PDT on January 17, 2014. Seeing as that is Martin Luther King Jr. Day here in The United States we decided out of extreme respect to go “live” on the 18th instead. Can’t think of a better “born on” date than MLK Day.

The goal for the show is to sit down with as many interesting creative people as possible and just have conversations.That’s kind of it. We want to give you,through our travels, a window into the world of the sort of people we interact with on a daily basis.

You might think in advance that this is a music podcast. It is not. While many of our conversation subjects are in fact musicians you will quickly see that we do not spend most of our time talking about music. That would be too easy. We have one rule here at the show. We are not a cog in your promotional wheel. This is not going to be another stop on someone’s promotional tour for whatever new project they are working. We want to get down to the business of talking and capturing stories and experiences.

So having said all of that here’s a little groove to get you in the mood. “Sho Nuff Now” ( the compared to what “theme”……featuring Mocean Worker and Charlie Hunter……and Bill Frisell , Rahsaan Roland Kirk and Hal Willner ( but mostly Charlie and Mowo! cause those other guys are total schlubs! )

CANALES PHOTO — **Mini Episode: Paul Canales** Jan 02, 2014

Charlie and Mowo! discuss Charlie’s interview with Chef Paul Canales. Paul is the Chef and owner of “Duende” in Oakland , California. Hopefully in the future with our “Compared To What Podcast” Drone we’ll be able to deliver farm to table ingredients to Paul on a daily basis.

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