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Ian Black - Flying the English Electric Lightning (157) Jan 02, 2021

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Ian Black is a former RAF Fighter Pilot with a passion for photography and motorcycles. He began his flying career with the legendary McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom in RAF Germany at the height of the Cold War.

After three years flying as a navigator Ian underwent Pilot Training in 1984-1986 during which time he was awarded prizes for flying ability , aerobatics and unsurprisingly navigation skills.

On completion of his flying training Ian was selected to fly the English electric Lightning in the Air Defence Role. Twenty five years earlier, Ian’s father had been one of the RAF’s first Lightning Pilots and his son was set to become the last. Serving on 11(F) Squadron.

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0:00 Introduction to guest Ian Black and his flying career

15:45 The use of IFF identification and challenges during the Cold War

28:09 RAF's vetting process and the lack of background checks in the 70s and 80s

33:19 Realistic training methods of the RAF and struggles with pilot training

41:32 Recommendation of Cold War TV on YouTube

43:32 Ian Black's experience flying the English Electric Lightning

55:23 Interception of a Russian bomber: a life-defining moment

1:00:20 Air refueling: strategy, coordination, and challenges

1:09:24 The responsibilities and challenges of flying a single-seat Lightning

1:12:28 Ian Black's photography, Firestreak Books, and future projects

1:17:44 acknowledgement of financial supporters

1:18:33 Closing remarks and continuation of the Cold War conversation on Facebook

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Sovietisation of Estonia (156) Dec 30, 2020

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Michael Zdanowski was born and raised in the UK, but his interest with the Cold War goes back generations. His grandfather having emigrated from Poland to the United Kingdom during the second world war and was a distinguished member of the RAF in the battle against Germany.

Michael’s interest in the Cold War prompted him to pursue a doctorate focused around the Sovietisation of Estonia post-WW2, which he researched over a number of years.

His findings indicated a wholesale imperialistic strategy that centered around language, culture and moving large numbers of Russians into Estonia.

However, his findings also demonstrate a great deal of Estonian resistance to these efforts, with the local population finding ways of celebrating their local culture and heritage through covert means.

It is a story of attempted social engineering that underestimated the desire of a people to be conquered.

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Co-host Peter Ryan conducts our chat and I am delighted to welcome Michael Zdanowski to our Cold War conversation…

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0:00 Introduction and Michael Zdanowski's family history

2:41 Interview with Michael Zdanowski about his interest in the Cold War

10:55 Michael's university studies and encounters with Cold War era tutors

16:48 Discussion on Soviet migration and cultural imperialism in Estonia

29:18 Resistance of Estonians against Soviet rule and preservation of culture

34:56 Independence movements in Soviet Socialist Republics

39:11 Influence of Western culture in Estonia during the Cold War

41:42 Enduring impact of the Soviet era on Estonia

45:27 Rapid fire discussion on Cold War themed books and films

52:23 Imaginary dinner party with Cold War personalities

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Deputy Head of UK Mission in East Berlin - Part 2 (155) Dec 26, 2020

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This is Part 2 of our conversation with Colin Munro who was the British Deputy Head of Mission in East Berlin from 1987 to 1990.

In this episode we move to the monumental events of 1989 as the GDR was wrought by internal protest prior to the opening of the Wall in Berlin. It’s a fascinating account of Colin’s contacts who were giving him insights into the eventual fall of the GDR.

0:00 Introduction and Colin Munro's views on Brezhnev

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2:28 Political situation in East Germany in 1989

10:01 Soviet embassy's uncertainty about orders to Soviet forces in East Germany

19:12 Colin Munro's personal experience during the opening of the Berlin Wall

22:30 UK government's position on German unification

30:02 The economic collapse of East Germany and the decision for a currency union

32:37 The 2+4 negotiations for German unification

35:20 The end of the Cold War and Thatcher's political career

40:27 Closing remarks and acknowledgments

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In today’s episode, Colin tells of translating for Margaret Thatcher during a phone call with Helmut Kohl, UK imports from the GDR and of a drunken Harry Tisch, the East German Trade Union leader.

We welcome Colin to our Cold War conversation…

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Deputy Head of UK Mission in East Berlin - Part 1 (154) Dec 19, 2020

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Colin Munro was the British Deputy Head of Mission in East Berlin from 1987 to 1990. Although the UK did not recognise East Berlin as part of the GDR in 1973 it established an Embassy “to” the GDR (not in the GDR) in East Berlin to provide a diplomatic presence.

As Deputy Head of Mission Colin was effectively the Deputy Ambassador and was responsible for improving trade, ensuring correct dealings on status of Berlin and try to promote peaceful change.

0:00 Introduction and Colin Munro's roles in East Berlin

1:03 UK's stance on East Berlin and the GDR

2:24 Sponsor: Financial Supporters

2:42 Divided city of Berlin and its status

7:04 Colin's account of a sit-in at the embassy in East Berlin

15:31 Story of the sit-in at the Danish embassy

17:05 Trade between the UK and East Germany

26:18 Personal encounters with East German politburo members

33:01 Opening of the Hungarian border and its perception

40:56 Discussion on the unification of Germany

44:45 Show notes and appreciation of the podcast's patrons

45:37 Invitation to join the Facebook discussion group and closing remarks

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Back to today’s episode, Colin tells of life in the Embassy with some fascinating insights into the unique difficulties of being a diplomat in a capital city that the UK did not recognise..

We welcome Colin to our Cold War conversation…

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Just another day in Vietnam (153) Dec 12, 2020

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In this episode we talk with Col. Keith Nightingale who served in the US military from 1965 to 1993. He completed two tours of Vietnam; the first as a Senior Advisor to a Vietnamese Ranger unit and the second as a rifle company commander in the 101st Airborne.

Keith used the experience of his first tour to write ‘Just another day in Vietnam’ which gives a vivid first-hand account of a jungle operation with the South Vietnamese Rangers against the Viet Cong.

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Co-host James conducts our chat and I am delighted to welcome Keith Nightingale to our Cold War conversation…

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0:00 Introduction and Keith Nightingale's early experiences in Vietnam

1:02 Interview with Colonel Keith Nightingale and discussion about his book "Just another day in Vietnam"

7:13 Keith's assignment to the 52nd Rangers and comparison with US army

14:22 Keith's first experience in combat and discussion on PTSD

20:25 The writing process of Keith's book and the decision to write in third person

27:20 The B52 strike against the POW camp and the aftermath of the battle

40:02 Major Hep's leadership and influence on Keith Nightingale

53:21 Public attitudes towards the Vietnam War and preparing for a second tour

1:00:34 Reflections on the war, its impact and lessons learned

1:09:07 Keith's reflections on Vietnam and his book, closing remarks from Ian Sanders

1:10:04 Acknowledgement of financial supporters and politburo level Patreons: Sam Hardwick, Nicholas Butler, and Jeffrey Jones

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With Solidarity in Gdansk in 1980 (152) Dec 05, 2020

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During her first visit to Poland in 1980, Dr Jacqueline Hayden met the leading members of the free trade union ‘Solidarność’, including the future president Lech Wałęsa. As a freelance journalist at that time, she reported the events in Gdańsk in August 1980, when the shipyard workers went on strike to demand the creation of Free Trade Unions.

Our chat includes some vivid descriptions of what she saw and heard at the time, it explains the problems facing the nascent free trade union as well as details of the interviews she carried out with General Jaruselski and Cardinal Joseph Glemp among others.

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I am delighted to welcome Jacqueline Hayden to our Cold War conversation…

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0:00 Jacqueline Hayden's journey and her first interactions with Poland's dissidents

2:25 Cold War Channel on YouTube

11:55 Jacqueline's experiences with the Solidarity movement and Lech Walesa

19:00 Meeting special figures during the Cold War and the prospects of a free trade union

30:25 Interpretation of the round table and the collapse of communism

36:59 Jacqueline's experiences in Poland during the agreement signing and her work with the Irish press

42:51 Jacqueline's encounters with the Polish secret police and other foreign journalists

49:02 Discussions on the potential end of the regime and the beginning of opening up in Russia

55:46 Jacqueline's interviews with General Juruselski and the symbolism of his handshake with Lech Walesa

1:06:07 Analysis of the 1989 election and the impact of the electoral system

1:13:36 Discussion on the role of the Catholic Church in the Cold War and the relationship between Cardinal Glemp and General Jaruzelski

1:22:10 Closing remarks, promotion of Cold War Conversations Coasters, and a call for donations

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Sue Boyd - Deputy Head of Mission at the Australian Embassy in East Berlin (151) Nov 28, 2020

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Sue Boyd has been the head of Australian diplomatic missions in Fiji, Hong Kong, Vietnam and Bangladesh. She also had postings at the United Nations in New York and in the former East Germany.

Sue was posted to East Germany in 1976 and tells of her work, friendships, and life as a single woman in the diplomatic community of 1970s East Berlin. She reveals the fascinating contents of her Stasi file, detailing the intense surveillance she was under as well as confirmation of some of her suspicions, but also there are some surprising revelations too.

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I am delighted to welcome Sue Boyd to our Cold War conversation…

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0:00 Introduction of Sue Boyd and her diplomatic career

1:17 Sue Boyd's postings at the United Nations and East Germany

3:19 Sue Boyd's early career in the Australian foreign service

6:01 Sue Boyd's unexpected posting to East Germany and role as 1st secretary

9:07 Sue Boyd's travel experiences and surveillance by Stasi

15:13 Sue Boyd's observations on East Bloc countries' relationships with the Soviet Union

22:31 Building relationships and friendships in the GDR

34:49 Comments on Sue Boyd's journalist contacts in East Germany

47:12 Sue Boyd's surveillance stories and the impact of Stasi

1:00:02 Gough Whitlam's visit to the GDR in 1976 and Sue Boyd's role

1:03:32 Sue Boyd's book about her life as a diplomat

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Cold War Royal Navy submarine missions (150) Nov 21, 2020

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Today we speak with Ian Ballantyne, the author of “Hunter Killers”, also known as “Undersea Warriors” in the United States.

Hunter Killers’ tells the incredible, true inside story of the Royal Navy’s Cold War beneath the waves.

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We talk about the forgotten role Royal Navy submarines played in the Cuban Missile Crisis while also learning the truth behind what official statements called collisions with ‘icebergs’.

In addition, we cover the processes and procedures of the Polaris submarine nuclear missile launch as well as the “Letters of Last Resort”.

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I am delighted to welcome Iain Ballantyne to our Cold War conversation…

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0:00 Introduction

0:43 Interview with Ian Ballantine, author of 'Hunter Killers'

1:18 Role of Royal Navy submarines in the Cuban missile crisis

3:02 Post-war use of WWII submarines and sharing of captured submarine technology

9:58 Intelligence gathering missions in the Barents Sea

14:49 Royal Navy's participation in the Cuba quarantine

19:29 Under-ice missions and the Royal Navy going nuclear

30:10 Introduction of nuclear-powered submarines in the Royal Navy

41:00 Identification of NATO submarines by the Soviet Union

52:08 Authentication and launch process of missiles

1:02:05 Collision incident between HMS Splendid and a Typhoon

1:09:37 The burial at sea prank on the Russians by HMS London

1:14:30 The uncertainty during the hardliner's coup in Moscow

1:19:10 The most dangerous area of confrontation: Under the Sea

1:21:00 Proposal for a submariners' memorial

1:23:52 Acknowledging the contributions of patrons and sponsors

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Détente – the chance to end the Cold War (149) Nov 14, 2020

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Today, we speak with Richard Crowder, the author of “Détente – the chance to end the Cold War”.

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Between 1968 and 1975, there was a subtle thawing of relations between East and West, for which Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev coined the name Détente.

The leaders of the United States and the Soviet Union, Richard Nixon and Leonid Brezhnev, hoped to forge a new relationship between East and West.

We talk about some of the key moments such as where Henry Kissinger, Nixon’s Secretary of State agreed the end to the war in Vietnam, the 1973 Arab Israeli war where the world stood on the brink of armed conflict between the Soviet Union and the United States and the Helsinki Accords where the agreement to uphold human rights unleashed dissident movements against the Communist Parties of Eastern Europe.

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I am delighted to welcome Richard Crowder to our Cold War conversation…

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0:00 Introduction and Patreon appeal by Ian Sanders

1:06 Introduction to Richard Crowder and his book "Detente"

5:07 Overview of global social and economic changes and politics in the late 1960s

10:11 Richard Crowder discusses the flow of events from 1968 to 1975

14:05 Breakthrough with China and its impact on the Cold War

20:14 The need for the Berlin 4 power agreement

32:25 Discussion on the Paris Peace Accords and the end of US involvement in Vietnam

40:20 The Yom Kippur War and the risk of a superpower confrontation

44:52 Nixon's resignation and the Watergate scandal

49:34 Ford and Brezhnev's meeting in Vladivostok and the final summit of the détente period

57:42 Closing remarks and patron acknowledgements

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Guy Burgess and the Cambridge Spy Ring (148) Nov 07, 2020

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Guy Burgess was the most important, complex, and fascinating of The Cambridge Spies, brilliant young men recruited in the 1930s to betray their country to the Soviet Union. An engaging and charming companion to many, an unappealing, utterly ruthless manipulator to others, Burgess rose through academia, the BBC, the Foreign Office, MI5 and MI6, gaining access to thousands of highly sensitive secret documents which he passed to his Russian handlers.

In his book “Stalin’s Englishman”, Andrew Lownie tells us how even Burgess's chaotic personal life of drunken philandering did nothing to stop his penetration and betrayal of the British Intelligence Service. Even when he was under suspicion, the fabled charm which had enabled many close personal relationships with influential Establishment figures (including Winston Churchill) prevented his exposure as a spy for many years.

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I am delighted to welcome Andrew Lownie to our Cold War conversation…

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