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    Clearer Than Truth – Nathan Kiker & George Bogden

    The wisdom of former Secretary of State Dean Acheson inspires our podcast. It emphasizes clarity while examining the intricate global issues of today for a diverse audience. In a world where time is limited, this podcast aims to distill complex ideas into straightforward narratives, making them not just comprehensible but in Acheson’s words, “clearer than truth.” The podcast, much like other news-oriented shows, is committed to keeping listeners updated on breaking global events. Airing once every few weeks, it dissects the latest news, featuring insights from experts around the world. From discussions on significant geopolitical developments to the passage of controversial laws, this podcast provides concise yet comprehensive analyses.

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    Richard Fontaine | CEO of the Center for a New American Security Oct 15, 2026
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    Richard Fontaine, CEO of the Center for a New American Security, joins Clearer Than Truth to examine the strategic challenges facing the United States in an increasingly contested world. From the Trump administration’s approach to military force and the future of American alliances to defense spending, the competition with China, and the growing role of artificial intelligence, Fontaine explores whether the United States has a coherent strategy to match its global power. He also explains why Washington has repeatedly struggled to prioritize the Indo-Pacific, how allies are reassessing American reliability, and why he remains cautiously optimistic about America’s long-term advantages.


    00:00 Richard Fontaine on America's Changing Foreign Policy
    00:32 Is America's Grand Strategy Fundamentally Changing?
    01:53 The Lasting Shift Toward Protectionism
    03:12 Does Trump's Foreign Policy Have Historical Precedents?
    05:28 What Would John McCain Think of America Today?
    07:04 Has America Become an Overextended Superpower?
    09:40 Can America Still Trust Its Alliances?
    11:52 Trump's Way of War vs. the Powell Doctrine
    13:41 Why Clear Military Objectives Matter
    15:05 The Problem With Trump's Flexible War Strategy
    17:32 What the Powell Doctrine Would Say About Iran
    18:51 Can America Afford Another Major War?
    19:19 Could America Defend Taiwan Against China?
    21:17 America's Defense Industrial Base Problem
    22:16 How AI Will Reshape Global Power
    24:16 Should America Stay Ahead of China in AI?
    25:46 Can America and China Agree on AI Safety?
    28:57 What Nuclear Arms Control Can Teach Us About AI
    30:06 Why Crises Sometimes Force International Cooperation
    32:34 Why America Keeps Failing to Pivot to Asia
    34:10 How Middle East Wars Derail America's Asia Strategy
    35:21 Is China Still America's Biggest Strategic Rival?
    36:36 What CNAS Is Working on Now
    37:42 Can America Rebuild the International Order?
    38:45 What Still Makes America Powerful?
    40:38 Why Richard Fontaine Remains Optimistic
    41:13 Where to Follow Richard Fontaine

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    Michael McFaul | Former US Ambassador to Russia | Author of "Autocrats vs Democrats" Oct 13, 2026
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    Ambassador Michael McFaul, former U.S. ambassador to Russia and author of Autocrats Versus Democrats, joins Clearer Than Truth to examine how Vladimir Putin transformed Russia’s relationship with the West and why the war in Ukraine remains so difficult to end. McFaul argues that Putin’s greatest fear is not NATO expansion but the spread of democracy, which threatens the legitimacy of his autocratic rule. He reflects on the achievements and failures of the Obama administration’s Russia reset, contrasts Putin’s leadership with Mikhail Gorbachev’s approach to Eastern Europe, and discusses the uncertain prospects for political change inside Russia. The conversation also explores Ukraine’s nuclear disarmament and security guarantees, the risks of leaving Ukraine outside NATO, China and India’s limited roles in seeking peace, and why McFaul believes stronger military support for Ukraine and tougher sanctions offer a better path toward a negotiated settlement than appeasing Putin.


    00:00 Michael McFaul on Russia and Putin
    01:13 Why Putin Fears Democratic Expansion
    02:07 What the Russia Reset Was Really About
    03:45 What U.S.–Russia Cooperation Achieved
    05:01 Why Dual-Track Diplomacy Failed
    06:37 Could Russia Have Taken a Different Path?
    08:22 How Putin Became More Paranoid and Imperial
    09:36 Gorbachev, Eastern Europe, and Nuclear Secrets
    11:23 Why Individual Leaders Shape History
    12:35 Gorbachev vs. Putin on Democratic Movements
    14:02 Why Arms Control Requires Verification
    15:12 Could Putin Lose the Support of His Elites?
    16:06 How Putin Tightened His Grip on Russia
    18:19 Why Revolutions Seem Impossible—Until They Happen
    19:15 Ukraine’s Independence and the Nuclear Question
    20:27 Putin’s Early Political Years
    22:16 The Budapest Memorandum and Ukraine’s Security
    23:24 Should Ukraine Join NATO?
    24:59 Why China and India Aren’t Helping End the War
    26:27 Russia’s War as an Imperial Project
    27:19 Why Appeasing Putin Won’t Work
    29:06 What Putin Really Wants From Ukraine
    30:37 Why Putin Wants the Donbas
    31:56 Is Russia Trying to Break Ukraine’s Will?
    32:20 The People Who Turned to Putin
    34:33 How Propaganda Becomes a Business
    35:28 The Dinner That Revealed Putin’s Worldview
    37:07 Why Putin Thinks Everyone Can Be Bought
    37:35 Michael McFaul’s Latest Book and Writing

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    Julius Krein | Founder and Editor-In-Chief of American Affairs Oct 12, 2026
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    Julius Krein, founder and editor of American Affairs, joins Clearer Than Truth to examine why the United States has struggled to rebuild its industrial base even as the case for reindustrialization has entered the mainstream. Krein argues that tariffs alone cannot restore American productive capacity: the country needs strategic investment, skilled workers, coordinated supply chains, permitting reform, and institutions that can help critical industries become commercially viable. He explains why the goal should not be to centrally plan the entire economy, but to open opportunities for private investment in sectors weakened by decades of underinvestment. The conversation explores the political costs and potential benefits of rebuilding manufacturing, whether a more productive economy could narrow class divides, and how the United States might redirect its financial resources to compete with China. Krein’s broader message is that America has made progress in recognizing the problem, but the real test is whether it can overcome institutional bottlenecks and deliver tangible results before political support fades.


    00:00 Julius Krein on Rebuilding American Industry
    01:01 Has Industrial Policy Finally Gone Mainstream?
    02:08 Why Rebuilding Industry Could Take Decades
    03:24 From Fringe Idea to National Priority
    04:07 The Problem With Tariff-First Economics
    05:04 Why Tariffs Alone Won’t Rebuild Manufacturing
    06:22 The Real Costs of Trade Policy
    07:35 What a Real Reindustrialization Strategy Requires
    08:30 Why Critical Industries Lost Their Investment
    09:31 The Missing Pieces: Workers, Buyers, and Permits
    10:00 Why America Struggles to Coordinate Economic Policy
    11:00 Why Supply Chains Are Harder to Map Than They Look
    12:16 What Happens When Everything Becomes Strategic?
    12:48 Why America Needs More Than Free Markets
    13:54 The Industries America Can Rebuild First
    14:57 Industrial Policy Without Central Planning
    15:31 Who Pays for Reindustrialization?
    16:49 The Political Trade-Offs of Rebuilding Industry
    18:08 The Long-Term Cost of Deindustrialization
    18:57 Will Working-Class Americans Actually Benefit?
    20:21 Can Manufacturing Narrow the Class Divide?
    21:48 Building an Economy That Works Across Classes
    22:16 What Does American Economic Nationalism Mean?
    23:03 Why Different Political Camps Support Industrial Policy
    24:14 Why Practical Needs Can Matter More Than Ideology
    25:10 Is Pragmatism Driving American Industrial Policy?
    26:34 Can America Compete With China’s Economic Model?
    27:13 Why American Finance Could Help Rebuild Industry
    28:28 China’s Manufacturing Strength—and Its Limits
    28:55 What the U.S. Must Prove to China
    30:19 Can America Fund Long-Term Industrial Growth?
    31:07 How Realistic Is American Reindustrialization?
    32:08 The Bottlenecks Still Holding America Back
    32:59 The Race to Deliver Results
    33:46 Why American Affairs Matters

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    Barbara Keys | Author of "Super K: The Making, Breaking, and Remaking of Henry Kissinger's Legacy" Oct 12, 2026
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    Historian Barbara Keys joins Clearer Than Truth to examine the making, breaking, and remaking of Henry Kissinger’s legacy. Drawing on her book Super K: The Making, Breaking, and Remaking of Henry Kissinger’s Legacy, Keys explores how Kissinger cultivated journalists, managed his public image, used personal relationships and behind-the-scenes pressure to influence coverage, and maintained extraordinary influence for decades after leaving office. She examines the gap between his private policy positions and public presentation, his support for repressive anti-communist governments, and the role of the human rights movement in reshaping how his record is judged. The conversation also considers Kissinger’s diplomatic relationships across political divides and the media’s role in sustaining his reputation, raising a broader question about how power, access, and storytelling shape the way history remembers political leaders.


    00:00 Barbara Keys on Henry Kissinger’s Legacy
    00:53 Why Reexamine Kissinger Now?
    01:47 Why Criticism Bothered Kissinger
    03:08 How Powerful Figures Edit Their Own Histories
    04:00 When Kissinger Could Influence the Media
    04:50 The Myth of the Grand Strategist
    06:28 How Kissinger Entered Nixon’s Circle
    07:29 How Kissinger Won Over Journalists
    08:30 Charm, Threats, and Media Pressure
    09:48 When Kissinger Demanded Special Treatment
    10:51 Kissinger’s Private Views on Ukraine
    12:56 How Kissinger Changed His Public Positions
    14:41 The Power of Strategic Ambiguity
    15:59 Kissinger’s Private Position on Cambodia
    17:13 How Kissinger Leaked Secrets to the Press
    18:07 The Lost Art of International Diplomacy?
    19:36 How Kissinger Built Global Relationships
    20:57 How Kissinger Stayed Influential for 46 Years
    21:27 The Memoirs That Shaped His Reputation
    22:20 Kissinger’s Celebrity Persona
    23:47 Why Kissinger Opposed Human Rights in Foreign Policy
    24:52 How the Human Rights Movement Challenged His Legacy
    26:32 Why Kissinger Won the Nobel Peace Prize
    27:25 Kissinger’s Late-Life Fascination With AI
    28:51 How Kissinger Wanted History to Remember Him
    29:43 Why His Reputation Changed After the Cold War
    30:45 Will Kissinger’s Legacy Change Again?
    31:52 What Future Biographies May Reveal
    33:50 The Most Dangerous Lesson of the Kissinger Myth
    34:16 How the Media Helped Build Kissinger’s Reputation
    35:24 What Kissinger’s Legacy Teaches Us About Media Influence
    35:51 Where to Find Barbara Keys’s Work

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    Vali Nasr | Dean Emeritus of Johns Hopkins SAIS | Author of "Iran's Grand Strategy" Oct 05, 2026
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    Vali Nasr joins Clearer Than Truth to explain why Americans often misunderstand the forces shaping the Middle East. Nasr argues that the region cannot be understood simply through religion, terrorism, or ancient sectarian divisions; instead, geopolitics, competition for power, contested borders, resources, and outside intervention are central to understanding its conflicts. He examines the evolution of terrorism, explaining why it has never been exclusively a product of poverty or religious extremism, before turning to Iran’s grand strategy and the legacy of Ayatollah Khamenei’s resistance to American influence. Nasr also assesses the failures and constraints of U.S. policy toward Iran, the consequences of a potential Iranian nuclear capability, and the possibility of a broader nuclear race across the Middle East. He closes with a warning that the current war may fundamentally reshape the regional order—and that the United States needs to prepare for a Middle East that may look very different when the fighting ends.
    00:00 Vali Nasr on the Middle East
    00:58 What America Gets Wrong About the Middle East
    02:42 Why Sectarianism Doesn't Explain Everything
    04:28 How Americans Misunderstand the Region
    05:29 The Borders That Created Modern Conflict
    07:12 Why Israel-Palestine Is More Recent Than You Think
    08:23 What Americans Get Wrong About Terrorism
    09:14 The End of the War on Terror
    10:59 Terrorism Before Al-Qaeda
    12:28 The Strategy Behind Terrorist Violence
    13:46 Why Wealthy People Join Terrorist Groups
    16:04 Why So Many Terrorists Studied Science
    17:57 Iran's Grand Strategy
    20:05 Where Iran's Strategy Has Failed
    21:23 Why Iran Keeps Resisting the U.S.
    22:19 Iran's Forever War With America
    23:12 What Obama Got Right—and Wrong—About Iran
    25:18 The Limits of American Influence
    27:11 Why Obama Chose the Nuclear Deal
    28:35 Obama Was More Realist Than Idealist
    29:45 What If Iran Gets a Nuclear Bomb?
    31:11 India, Pakistan and the Nuclear Lesson
    33:14 Why Iran Might Want Nuclear Deterrence
    34:21 Could Iran Trigger a Middle East Nuclear Race?
    36:01 How Nuclear Iran Changes the Region
    37:18 The Risk of a Wider Nuclear Order
    37:46 The Middle East May Never Go Back
    38:36 Could This War Get Much Worse?
    39:26 How the Middle East Could Reshape the West
    40:28 What Comes After the War?
    41:40 What America Can Learn From History
    42:34 Closing

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    James M. Lindsay | Distinguished Senior Fellow | Council on Foreign Relations Sep 29, 2026
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    James M. Lindsay joins Clearer Than Truth for a wide-ranging conversation about the future of American power and the international system the United States helped build. Lindsay is a longtime scholar of U.S. foreign policy and the policymaking process at the Council on Foreign Relations, where he previously served as senior vice president and director of studies and where he hosts The President's Inbox.

    For roughly eight decades, American foreign policy has operated around an assumption that U.S. security and prosperity depend on an active role in the world. Lindsay argues that consensus is now under enormous strain, but says the story did not begin with Donald Trump. The American-led system has evolved through several distinct eras, from the bipolar Cold War order to the post-Cold War “unipolar moment,” before the return of great-power competition forced Washington to confront a more complicated geopolitical environment.

    The conversation then turns inward, examining the changing balance between Congress and the presidency. Lindsay explains why the modern “imperial presidency” predates 9/11, how Congress gradually gave presidents greater discretion in foreign policy, and why that authority has proven difficult to reclaim. He also discusses the limits of courts as a check on presidential power and the enduring political difficulty of constraining a president once military action has begun.
    Lindsay also examines the emerging cooperation among China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea, cautioning against treating them as a formal alliance while acknowledging the growing incentives for bilateral cooperation among them. The discussion ultimately returns to the larger question: what comes after American primacy? Lindsay argues that the American-led order is coming to an end, but says historians will debate for years how much of that decline was structural and how much resulted from America's own decisions.


    00:00 James M. Lindsay on the Future of American Power
    01:04 What Broke America's Foreign-Policy Consensus?
    01:54 From the Cold War to the Unipolar Moment
    02:58 The Return of Geopolitics
    03:28 Why Congress Lost Influence Over Foreign Policy
    04:56 The Rise of the Imperial Presidency
    05:46 What Congress Learned From the 1930s
    07:44 Why Presidents Were Given So Much Discretion
    08:06 How Presidents Expanded Their Authority
    09:14 Why Courts Rarely Check Presidential Power
    10:11 The Courts, Trump & National Security
    12:30 When Expansive Presidential Power Serves a Purpose
    13:55 How Far Can the President Go Militarily?
    15:21 Congress and the Authorization of War
    16:22 Why Congress Struggles to Rein In Presidents
    18:12 Is There Really an Axis of Autocracies?
    19:20 Why China, Russia, Iran & North Korea Cooperate
    21:01 Why You Should Watch What Countries Do
    22:03 Why Military Power Doesn't Equal Victory
    23:07 Can Economic Pressure Bring Down Iran?
    24:45 Can Leaders Become Too Detached From Their People?
    25:51 Why Iran Hasn't Become Another Vietnam
    26:21 How War Hits Americans at Home
    28:56 What Vietnam Teaches Us About Public Trust
    29:49 Can America Split the Axis of Autocracies?
    31:03 Why the Nixon-Kissinger Strategy May Not Work Today
    32:13 Why Regime Change Is So Hard to Predict
    33:24 Was American Bipartisanship Ever Real?
    34:03 Washington, Jefferson & America's First Foreign-Policy Fight
    36:20 What Institutions Like CFR Actually Do
    37:30 From Diagnosis to Policy to Implementation
    38:25 The American-Led Order Is Ending
    39:35 Was America's Decline Inevitable?
    40:10 The Mistakes That Weakened American Leadership
    41:54 Did America Fall Behind China?
    42:21 How U.S. Policy May Have Accelerated Decline
    43:21 What Happens to American Leadership Now?

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    Joby Warrick | Two-Time Recipient of the Pulitzer Prize | Author of "The Jackal" Sep 25, 2026
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    Joby Warrick returns to Clearer Than Truth to discuss his new book, The Jackal: The Rise and Fall of Carlos the World's First Super-Terrorist. A two-time Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist for The Washington Post, Warrick has spent decades reporting on terrorism, intelligence failures, and the conflicts shaping the modern Middle East. This time, he goes back to the 1970s to examine the extraordinary career of Carlos the Jackal and what his story can tell us about terrorism today.

    Carlos was more than a terrorist for hire. Warrick describes him as a remarkably flexible figure who moved between Palestinian militant organizations, communist governments, intelligence networks, dictators, and eventually anyone willing to employ him. His ideology was often secondary to his ambition, ego, and desire to become a revolutionary celebrity. But his greatest innovation was understanding the power of spectacle. The early terrorist groups around Carlos realized that attacks far from the battlefield could force television cameras, governments, and the public to pay attention to a cause.


    Warrick traces how those tactics evolved through the 1970s and eventually influenced later terrorist organizations, including al-Qaeda. The conversation also examines the OPEC siege, Carlos's relationships with state sponsors, the conditions that allow terrorist movements to emerge, and the danger of creating new generations of extremists through war, instability, and political collapse.
    The conversation ultimately moves from history to the present. Warrick warns that the combination of weapons of mass destruction and artificial intelligence could create new opportunities for terrorist organizations, while the deterioration of international cooperation may make it harder for states to contain them. Carlos the Jackal may belong to another era, but the methods he helped pioneer, particularly the use of spectacle, proxies, and permissive environments, remain relevant.


    00:00 Joby Warrick on Carlos the Jackal
    00:53 Why Go Back to Carlos Now?
    02:30 What Actually Drove Carlos?
    04:47 Carlos the Jackal and Today's Terrorists
    06:23 The Rise of Proxy Terrorism
    07:43 How Terrorism Became a Global Spectacle
    09:16 Why Terrorists Wanted the Cameras
    10:03 The International Terrorism Network of the 1970s
    11:44 The Shift From Secular to Religious Terrorism
    12:11 The OPEC Siege: Carlos's Most Audacious Attack
    14:01 Gaddafi and the OPEC Plot
    15:35 Why Gaddafi Abandoned Carlos
    16:20 Are Terrorists Products of Failed States?
    17:33 Why Carlos Became a Legend
    18:16 How Dangerous Was Carlos Really?
    19:21 The Incredible Mistakes of Carlos the Jackal
    20:00 Why States Keep Getting Terrorism Wrong
    20:46 The Conditions That Produce Terrorism
    22:18 Are We Creating the Next Generation of Terrorists?
    24:10 The Threat of AI and Weapons of Mass Destruction
    25:47 What Made Carlos Different?
    27:10 Why Carlos Needed to See Himself as a Hero
    28:20 How Carlos Was Finally Captured
    30:54 What al-Qaeda Learned From Carlos
    32:59 Did Carlos Ever Regret What He Did?
    34:22 The One Thing Carlos Regretted
    35:00 How Many People Did Carlos Really Kill?
    36:26 Could a Weaker World Order Bring More Terrorism?
    37:07 The Decline of International Cooperation
    38:22 How Carlos Wants to Be Remembered
    39:28 Closing Thoughts

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    Richard Overy | Fellow of the British Academy | Renowed Military Historian | Author of Why the Allies Won Sep 23, 2026
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    Richard Overy is one of the world's leading historians of the Second World War and the history of warfare. In this episode of Clearer Than Truth, Overy draws on decades of research to examine one of the most enduring questions in international politics: why do leaders continue to choose war when history repeatedly demonstrates how difficult it is to control?

    The conversation begins with the dangers of comparing today's conflicts too directly to the 1930s and 1940s. Overy argues that today's geopolitical environment is fundamentally different, particularly because of nuclear weapons and the existence of the United States and China as major global powers. Yet some historical patterns remain strikingly familiar. Leaders can become convinced that their opponents are weaker than they are, underestimate the costs of conflict, and assume that military force can produce a quick and decisive outcome.
    Overy also explores Russia's war in Ukraine, Putin's understanding of Russia's place in the world, the lessons China may be drawing from the conflict, and whether the emerging relationships between Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea constitute a genuine strategic coalition. He argues against simplistic historical analogies and warns that viewing every geopolitical rivalry through a disaster scenario can obscure the differences between today's world and the past.
    The discussion ultimately returns to Overy's central argument in Why War: technology changes, weapons change, and international systems change—but human beings remain capable of making the same fundamental mistake: believing that war is the solution when it may become the problem.


    00:00 Richard Overy on the Dangers of Historical Analogies
    00:30 Is Imperialism Really Back?
    01:49 Why a Third World War Is Different Today
    02:43 The Nuclear Lesson of the Cuban Missile Crisis
    03:10 How Regional Wars Become Global Conflicts
    04:09 Why World War Isn't Inevitable
    04:57 How Much Does Personality Matter in War?
    06:16 Putin, Russia & the Psychology of Encirclement
    08:30 Why Putin Isn't Stalin
    09:22 Russia's Search for Great-Power Status
    11:33 Why Leaders Underestimate War
    13:32 What Leaders Miss When They Ignore History
    15:07 What China Is Learning From Ukraine
    16:20 Would China Really Invade Taiwan?
    17:10 Could America Push China Toward Conflict?
    18:31 The Historical Roots of U.S.-China Rivalry
    20:25 Is the West Ready for a Major War?
    21:23 Why Modern War Still Looks Like World War II
    22:55 Will AI and Cyberwar Change Warfare?
    24:08 Is There Really an Authoritarian Axis?
    26:19 Why Wartime Coalitions Eventually Break Apart
    27:57 The Danger of Leaders Hearing Only What They Want
    30:09 What Could Actually Remove Putin?
    31:22 Why Do Humans Keep Choosing War?
    32:56 The Lesson Today's Leaders Must Remember
    33:53 Is There Any Reason for Optimism?
    35:08 Richard Overy's Next Book: Hitler's Long Afterlife
    36:20 Why Are We Still Fascinated by Hitler?
    37:53 Was Hitler More Evil Than Other Dictators?
    38:56 Hitler, Ideology & the Holocaust
    39:31 Closing Thoughts

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    Robert Zoellick | Former World Bank President Sep 15, 2026
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    Robert Zoellick, former U.S. Trade Representative, Deputy Secretary of State, and President of the World Bank, joins Clearer Than Truth for a wide-ranging conversation about globalization, trade, American power, and the future of the international order.

    Zoellick argues that the backlash against globalization has become intertwined with a broader backlash against elites and established institutions—but warns that the United States risks responding to legitimate concerns in ways that ultimately make the country weaker. He defends the strategic logic behind NAFTA and North American economic integration, arguing that a stronger relationship with Canada and Mexico gives the United States a powerful economic and security advantage in a world increasingly shaped by China.

    The conversation then turns to the weaponization of economic interdependence, protectionism, supply-chain resilience, and the danger of using national security as a justification for restricting trade. Zoellick argues that the United States should build greater resilience and redundancy where necessary—but shouldn't mistake economic isolation for security. He makes a similar case regarding China: compete aggressively in critical areas, but remain focused on staying technologically ahead rather than simply trying to shut the world off.

    Zoellick also examines the health of America's democratic institutions and the international alliances that underpin U.S. power. He warns that undermining confidence in elections, the rule of law, independent institutions, and America's commitments to allies can have consequences far beyond domestic politics. Drawing on his experience during the end of the Cold War and the global financial crisis, he argues that institutions can adapt to profound changes—but they must be strengthened rather than dismantled.

    The episode ultimately becomes a discussion about what comes next. Zoellick believes the international system is being disrupted and that a new generation will have an opportunity to reshape it. His advice is straightforward: avoid unnecessary conflicts, maintain openness to capital and talented people, and preserve the alliances and institutions that allow the United States to lead without having to dominate.


    00:00 Robert Zoellick on the Backlash Against Globalization
    01:14 Was NAFTA a Mistake?
    02:21 Why Mexico Joined NAFTA
    03:48 Is America Destroying North America?
    04:35 The Strategic Case for North American Integration
    06:31 Why America Needs Mexico and Canada
    08:10 America's Relationship With Canada
    09:59 Globalization Isn't Going Away
    10:25 How Economic Interdependence Can Be Weaponized
    12:07 The Hidden Cost of Protectionism
    13:24 Should America Buy From China?
    14:14 Zoellick's Biggest Regret About NAFTA
    16:35 Can Trade Rules Keep Up With China?
    18:29 The Real Economics of U.S.-Canada Trade
    20:25 Why Economic Change Creates Political Backlash
    21:09 Can America's Institutions Survive?
    22:02 The Threat to American Democracy
    23:14 Is Congress Losing Its Power?
    24:07 Could America's Alliances Unravel?
    25:23 The Lessons of the Cold War
    26:42 Was NATO Expansion a Mistake?
    27:31 Why NATO Still Matters
    28:18 How to Support Ukraine Without NATO Membership
    29:02 Can America Adapt the World Order?
    30:32 America Has Always Had to Fight for Consensus
    31:24 Can America Manage Competition With China?
    32:05 Can the U.S. and China Cooperate on AI?
    32:26 Don't Make America More Like China
    34:31 America's Energy Security Problem
    36:20 Why Allies Matter in a Conflict With China
    37:10 The Best Strategy Against China
    37:54 Can America's Institutions Survive Another Crisis?
    39:19 The Lesson of the Global Financial Crisis
    40:22 Why America Still Has to Lead
    40:47 The Next Generation Will Remake the World
    41:12 Zoellick's Advice for the Future
    42:09 Closing Thoughts

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    Declan Walsh | Pulitzer Prize Recipient | Chief Africa Correspondent, The New York Times Aug 27, 2026
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    Africa is becoming increasingly central to the global order, yet many of its conflicts and political shifts remain overlooked in Western discourse. On this episode of Clearer Than Truth, Nathan speaks with Declan Walsh, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and Chief Africa Correspondent for The New York Times, about the forces reshaping the continent.

    Walsh begins with the war in Sudan, a conflict whose scale and human toll rival some of the world's most prominent wars but has received considerably less international attention. He explains why Sudan has become a critical case study in the changing priorities of the United States and the broader Western world.

    The conversation then turns to Africa's extraordinary demographic transformation. While much of the world faces aging and shrinking populations, Africa remains young and rapidly growing. Walsh discusses what this population boom could mean for the continent—and for the rest of the world—as Africa's share of the global population continues to increase.

    Walsh also examines the changing geopolitical competition in Africa. As American engagement has receded, countries including the United Arab Emirates, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, India, and Russia have expanded their influence, pursuing access to resources, investment opportunities, ports, and strategic relationships.

    A major focus is the impact of reduced U.S. aid. Walsh describes what he has witnessed firsthand in Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo, including the collapse of humanitarian food programs and weakened disease-surveillance networks.

    The discussion also explores Africa's increasingly restless younger generation, the rise of Gen Z protests, the failures of democratic governments to deliver economic opportunity, and the growing appeal of military leaders in parts of West Africa.

    Finally, Walsh identifies some of the continent's most dangerous potential flashpoints—including rising tensions between Ethiopia and Eritrea—and returns to the war in Sudan, warning about the possibility of the conflict spreading across borders and drawing in neighboring powers. Despite these challenges, he closes on a more hopeful note, pointing to Africa's enormous human potential, improving health and education outcomes, and the many people driving progress across the continent.


    00:00 Why Africa Matters to the World
    02:53 Africa's Population Boom
    03:51 America's Changing Approach to Africa
    08:18 The New Powers Competing for Africa
    12:14 The Real-World Impact of U.S. Aid Cuts
    18:42 Africa's Youth & the Threat of Instability
    22:18 What Happened to the Arab Spring?
    26:49 The Sahel's Growing Crisis
    28:23 Ethiopia, Eritrea & the Next Major Flashpoint
    32:41 The UAE, Saudi Arabia & the New Geopolitics
    36:08 Can Sudan Survive as a Unified Country?
    39:32 What Gives Walsh Hope for Africa?

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