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    Clause 8

    Clause 8 is the long-form IP podcast hosted by Eli Mazour, featuring conversations with the people and forces shaping the patent system.

    Its audience includes sophisticated in-house counsel, judges, IP policymakers, senior USPTO officials, patent dealmakers, and leading practitioners. The show is designed to help listeners stay ahead of the curve by understanding not just the latest patent developments, but the personalities, incentives, and institutions behind them.

    Clause 8 features conversations that provide strategic insight into patent law, policy, innovation, licensing, and other issues affecting the IP community. Past guests have included major American innovators, federal judges, USPTO Directors, senior IP staff on Capitol Hill, in-house leaders, patent dealmakers — and Carole Baskin’s attorney from Tiger King.

    Law360 featured Clause 8 first in its 2026 list of “5 Podcasts to Keep IP Attys Entertained and Informed,” describing its guests as “a bit of a who’s who of IP law.”

    Clause 8 has also been covered or cited by Bloomberg, Courthouse News Service, Above the Law, IAM, Original Jurisdiction, and other publications.

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    Kevin Jakel (Pt 2) - Unified Patent’s Battles v. SEPs & “Patent Trolls” Jan 21, 2020
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    This episode is the second and final part of our interview with Kevin Jakel, the founder and CEO of Unified Patents. On this episode, we continue the conversation with Kevin about how Unified Patents operates, discuss Unified Patents’ new program for targeting Standard Essential Patents (SEPs), debate whether the patent troll narrative has been overblown, talk about the patent quality problem, and delve into some other patent policy issues related to IPRs and the PTAB. We also find out what Kevin has in common with George Costanza!


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Kevin Jakel (Pt 1) - Exclusive interview with CEO of Unified Patents Jan 07, 2020
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    Kevin Jakel is the founder and CEO of Unified Patents. Since the passage of the American Invents Act (AIA), Unified Patents has been focused on using AIA’s new post-grant proceedings to challenge patents at the PTAB that are owned by so-called non-practicing entities or “patent trolls.”

    This is an amazing story of rare and impressive innovation in the patent field. It is also a story about how the AIA allowed third parties – that are not directly involved in a patent dispute - to “independently” challenge patents at the PTAB. When Unified Patents is unsuccessful in challenging a patent at the PTAB, Unified Patents’ member companies are able to separately challenge the validity of the same patent again at the PTAB or in district court. This significantly increases the costs and difficulty of trying to enforce that patent.

    Either because it wants to keep patent owners on edge, does not want to provide ammunition to those who question how independently it really operates from its members, or for some other reason, Unified Patents has not publicly disclosed how it decides what patents to target. This interview with Kevin tries to resolve some of that mystery surrounding Unified Patents.

    This episode is the first part of our interview with Kevin. We talk about his career, what drove him to start Unified Patents, how Unified Patents came about, and start our conversation about how Unified Patents operates.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Gene Quinn - Creating World’s Largest IP Publication & How To Effectively Impact IP Policy Sep 10, 2019
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    Gene Quinn is the founder of IPWatchdog.com. It has been the leading online publication focused on intellectual property for almost twenty years. Although they don't always agree, Federal Circuit judges, Congressional staffers, and K Street follow it closely to stay abreast of latest IP policy-related developments.

    During the episode, Gene discusses the serendipitous start to IPWatchdog.com, why it has been so successful, and what it's like to be read by Federal Circuit judges and other luminaries. Gene also talks about the IP policy landscape in Washington, DC and how to effectively impact the policy making process. And, Gene shares his insights regarding the state of patent eligibility, the USPTO's Patent Trial and Appeal Board (PTAB), and the future for America's patent system and innovation.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Gilbert Hyatt - David v. Goliath battle of Inventor of Microprocessor v. USPTO Jul 16, 2019
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    Gil Hyatt is one of the most significant American innovators in the field of personal computing - the inventor of the microprocessor. And, he has been involved in a David versus Goliath battle with the US Patent and Trademark Office for decades. Initially, Gil was able to successfully obtain patents for his innovations and license them for hundreds of millions of dollars. However, in the mid 1990s, the USPTO started secretly flagging his applications under the Sensitive Applications Warning System (SAWS) program and processed them in a way that prevented him from obtaining any more patents. In response, Gil filed multiple lawsuits against the USPTO (including a successful appeal to the Supreme Court). During this episode, Gil discusses his story, including a recent class action lawsuit that he filed in his continued battle to obtain the patents that he believes he deserves.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Makan Delrahim - DoJ’s Head of Antitrust on Patents Mar 26, 2019
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    Makan Delrahim is the Assistant Attorney General for the Antitrust Division. Makan is the first registered patent attorney in that role and has already made some significant changes with regards to the DoJ’s approach to intellectual property issues and encouraging innovation.

    During this episode, we discussed Makan's personal story, the Antirust Division itself, the intersection between patent and antitrust issues, the relationship between the DoJ and the FTC, Standard Setting Organizations, and many other topics.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Kathi Vidal - On Being an IP Lawyer In Silicon Valley Mar 05, 2019
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    Kathi Vidal is the managing partner of of the Silicon Valley office of Winston & Strawn LLP. Kathi is also one of the top patent litigators in America and one of the most interesting thought leaders in the legal industry.

    During this episode, we discussed how Kathi became so successful, what it’s like to be an IP lawyer in Silicon Valley, the state of patent litigation, strategic patent prosecution, business development, and many other subjects.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Aaron Cooper - Passing the AIA as Sen. Leahy’s Chief Counsel Feb 05, 2019
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    Aaron Cooper was the Chief Counsel for IP and Antitrust Law on the Senate Judiciary Committee during the passage of the Leahy-Smith America Invents Act (AIA) and is now the head of global policy for the trade group BSA (fka the Business Software Alliance). The AIA arguably made the most substantial changes to patent law since the Patent Act of 1836.

    During the episode, we discuss the passage of the AIA, post-grant proceedings created by the AIA, the role of BSA and other interest groups in shaping intellectual property (IP) policy, current patent-related legislative proposals, and many other subjects.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Tariq Hafiz - Secrets of Successfully Navigating the USPTO from USPTO’s Director of TC 3600 Business Methods Dec 02, 2018
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    USPTO's (United States Patent and Trademark Office) Director of Technology Center 3600 Business Methods discusses his career, role at the USPTO, how policy is formulated and implemented at the USPTO, taking over and turning around the TC after the Alice Supreme Court decision, and section 101 rejections. He also provides priceless advice to patent practitioners about how to successfully work with patent examiners and obtain patents.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Henry Waxman - The Hatch-Waxman Act and a Life In Congress Oct 26, 2018
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    Former Congressman Waxman discusses the passage of the seminal Hatch-Waxman Act, recent proposals to improve the balance between rights of brand name pharmaceutical and generic companies, and his 40-year career in Congress.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Gaston Kroub - Helping Wall Street Understand Patent Litigation Oct 08, 2018
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    IP Columnist for Above the Law and Founding Partner at Kroub, Silbersher & Kolmykov PLLC & Markman Advisors LLC. Kroub, Silbersher & Kolmykov PLLC is an IP litigation boutique & Markman Advisors LLC is a leading consultancy on patent issues for the investment community.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

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