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OpenAI cofounder Greg Brockman on the scaling hypothesis and refactoring as a killer AI use case Jun 18, 2025

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Greg Brockman—OpenAI cofounder and Stripe's first engineer—joins John Collison to talk about research-driven product development, an early moment he thought OpenAI was doomed, S curves in AI advancement, and energy bottlenecks.

Full episode transcript:

https://cheekypint.transistor.fm/1/transcript

Timestamps

(00:00) Intro

(02:51) Was OpenAI the first company to take the scaling hypothesis seriously?

(04:53) Lessons from Dota about deep learning

(08:08) What is a good new Turing test?

(08:57) Personalization in AI

(09:57) Research-driven product development

(10:26) An early moment OpenAI felt doomed

(15:01) OS limits on AI product development

(17:59) When will AI make novel advancements in math or science?

(20:03) Energy bottlenecks

(22:30) S curves in AI advancement

(24:00) AI coding

(26:25) Refactoring as a killer AI use case

(27:26) How OpenAI decides what products to built

(28:53) Growing up in North Dakota

(30:17) How far away is AGI?

Cheeky Pint hosted by Stripe cofounder John Collison Jun 16, 2025

Show notes

John sits down with founders and builders over a pint—Greg Brockman (cofounder of OpenAI), Susan Li (chief financial officer at Meta), Kyle Vogt (founder of The Bot Company and cofounder of Twitch and Cruise), and Pieter Levels (indie hacker).

Watch Cheeky Pint on YouTube: https://youtube.com/@stripe.

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