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    Changing the Conversation

    Welcome to Changing the Conversation! We discuss critical and timely topics focused on equity, homelessness, substance use, mental health, and trauma. Our hosts interview health and human service experts, researchers, and advocates. Conversations explore how we can adapt our systems to the rapidly changing landscape of social services.

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    Motivational Interviewing 28: Kris Kelly Mar 02, 2026
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    How are Motivational Interviewing (MI) and Peer Support so well aligned? Peer advocate Kris Kelly and host Ali Hall consider the foundational components of autonomy, empathy, and more in this episode!

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    • Kris Kelly; MINT Profile
    • Great Lakes ATTC
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    • The Center for Health Enhancement Systems Studies (CHESS) at the University of Wisconsin-Madison
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    • Ali Hall; website, MINT profile
    • More podcast episodes on Motivational Interviewing
    • Motivational Interviewing: training opportunities and resources from C4 Innovations
    • Motivational Interviewing: resources from the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT)
    • Access a transcript of Motivational Interviewing 28: Kris Kelly

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    Learning from Recovery Elders: Shannon CrossBear Feb 16, 2026
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    What does healing look like from different perspectives, ways of knowing, and approaches? Indigenous elder Shannon CrossBear discusses her wellness journey and the lessons she has learned along the way with host Livia Davis. This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decades and reflect on the journeys that have laid groundwork for today's recovery movement.

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    Learn More Shannon CrossBear Strong Heart Resource Development National Indian Child Welfare Association National Federation of Families National Child Traumatic Stress Network Surgeon Generals Conference on Children's Mental Health Access a transcript of Learning from Recovery Elders: Shannon CrossBear Thank you for listening to this important conversation honoring the history and voices of the recovery movement. Check out more episodes in the "Learning from Recovery Elders" series!

    Learning from Recovery Elders: Laurie Johnson-Wade Feb 02, 2026
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    "We have more power very often than we give ourselves credit for. And we have to keep ourselves educated on our options. Knowing our options also helps us with the ebbs and flows." Laurie Johnson-Wade shares her experiences starting and running a recovery community organization in Pennsylvania with host Livia Davis.

    This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decades and reflect on the journeys that have laid groundwork for today's recovery movement.

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    Learn More: Laurie Johnson-Wade Livia Davis Lost Dreams Awakening, New Kensington, PA Message Carriers of PA Faces and Voices of Recovery (FAVOR) Recovery Café Model Delancey Street Model Pennsylvania Recovery Organization Alliance Email Awakeninglostdreams@gmail.com with questions for Laurie. Access a transcript of Learning from Recovery Elders: Laurie Johnson-Wade Thank you for listening to this important conversation honoring the history and voices of the recovery movement. Check out more episodes in the "Learning from Recovery Elders" series!

    Next Generation Recovery Leaders: Elliott Hinkle Jan 20, 2026
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    "When the systems fall apart, how do I still show up for other people?... If I have a resource and you have a need, that's good enough to help you. It doesn't have to be justified beyond that." Elliott Hinkle shares their experiences providing community aid to youth with a focus on LGBTQIA2S+ youth with host Rowan Willis-Gorman. This episode is part of a series featuring youth peer workers and recovery innovators discussing how to improve and uplift behavioral health systems for youth.

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    Learn More Elliott Hinkle, Unicorn Solutions LLC Casper Pride Youth MOVE Mutual Aid: Building Solidarity During this Crisis (and the Next) by Dean Spade Alok Vaid-Menon Access a transcript of Next Generation Recovery Leaders: Elliott Hinkle

    Learning from Recovery Elders: Mark Salzer Jan 05, 2026
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    "Recovery is the goal. Here's one way to pursue that goal...really promoting community inclusion, supporting people and having opportunities to live a life that they want to live and supporting them with funding." Mark Salzer shares insights on defining and measuring recovery and promoting meaningful community inclusion with host Livia Davis. This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decades and reflect on the journeys that have laid groundwork for today's recovery movement.

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    Learn More Mark Salzer, PhD Building on Recovery: Embracing Community Inclusion in Mental Health Policies and Services by Mark Salzer Fighting the Stigma of Mental Illness with Patrick Corrigan, PsyD Recovery Assessment Scale-Domains and Stages (RAS-DS) from the University of Sydney Recovery in Serious Mental Illness: A New Wine or Just A New Bottle? by Larry Davidson et al Recovery in the Bin Recovery: The lived experience of rehabilitation by Patricia Deegan Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 Olmstead: Community Integration for Everyone (1999) Presidents New Freedom Commission on Mental Health (2003) Access a transcript of Learning from Recovery Elders: Mark Salzer

    Thank you for listening to this important conversation honoring the history and voices of the recovery movement. Check out more episodes in the "Learning from Recovery Elders" series!


    Learning from Recovery Elders: Judy Fox Dec 15, 2025
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    "Nobody wants to have a chronic illness and it's hard to acknowledge, but accepting it rather than fighting it and working on moving forward and celebrating the small increments of change...really makes a difference." Judy Fox shares insights on integrating peer recovery support services with host Livia Davis. This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decades and reflect on the journeys that have laid groundwork for today's recovery movement.

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    Learn More Judy Fox, JD Rhode Island Department of Behavioral Healthcare, Developmental Disabilities & Hospitals Access a transcript of Learning from Recovery Elders: Judy Fox

    Thank you for listening to this important conversation honoring the history and voices of the recovery movement. Check out more episodes in the "Learning from Recovery Elders" series!


    Learning from Recovery Elders: Conni Wells Dec 01, 2025
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    "Family peer support is the critical piece that cannot be missing... this is a family, this is a family in need, and this is a family who's going to have to have someone behind them all across the way." Conni Wells shares insights on family and caregiver peer support with host Livia Davis. This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decades and reflect on the journeys that have laid groundwork for today's recovery movement.

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    Learn More Mental Health Transformation Alliance: Layla's Hope Access a transcript of Learning from Recovery Elders: Conni Wells

    Thank you for listening to this important conversation honoring the history and voices of the recovery movement. Check out more episodes in the "Learning from Recovery Elders" series!


    Next Generation Recovery Leaders: Johanna Bergan and Gina Albano Part 2 Nov 17, 2025
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    "I hope that we can all get better at really authentic conversation and dialogue to build that trust so that there can be more investment in the youth peer movement to move forward." Johanna Bergan and Gina Albano discuss the history and current status of youth peer support with host Rowan Willis-Gorman. This episode is part of a series featuring youth peer workers and recovery innovators discussing how to improve and uplift behavioral health systems for youth. Visit c4innovates.com, subscribe to receive newsletter and training updates, and follow us on LinkedIn and YouTube for more resources to grow your impact.

    Learn More Johanna Bergan UConn School of Social Work Innovations Institute Gina Albano Youth Wellness Coaches at C4 Innovations

    Rowan Willis-Gorman

    Catch up on part 1 of this conversation!

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    Access a transcript of Next Generation Recovery Leaders: Johanna Bergan and Gina Albano Part 2


    Next Generation Recovery Leaders: Johanna Bergan and Gina Albano Part 1 Nov 03, 2025
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    "Developing a focus on youth peer roles opened up a whole pathway to youth advocates to find purpose and energy in this space." Johanna Bergan and Gina Albano discuss the history and current status of youth peer support with host Rowan Willis-Gorman. This episode is part of a series featuring youth peer workers and recovery innovators discussing how to improve and uplift behavioral health systems for youth.

    Visit c4innovates.com, subscribe to receive newsletter and training updates, and follow us on LinkedIn and YouTube for more resources to grow your impact.

    Learn More Johanna Bergan UConn School of Social Work Innovations Institute Youth MOVE National Gina Albano Youth Wellness Coaches at C4 Innovations Rowan Willis-Gorman

    Stay tuned for part 2 of this conversation with Johanna Bergan and Gina Albano coming soon on November 17!

    Listen to other episodes in the Next Generation Recovery Leaders series.

    Access a transcript of Next Generation Recovery Leaders: Johanna Bergan and Gina Albano


    Starting a Recovery Residence Oct 20, 2025
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    Fred Way and Katie Boardman discuss starting new recovery residences with host Ashley Stewart.

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    Learn More Fred Way, Pennsylvania Alliance of Recovery Residences National Alliance for Recovery Residences MN Association of Sober Homes Access a transcript of Starting a Recovery Residence

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