CATO Podcast

Ep 79: Active Shooter Leadership with Travis Norton Aug 21, 2024

Marcus interviews Travis Norton about his doctoral research on active shooter response at the University of Southern California. Travis was one of the authors of CATO's latest two-day course, Active Shooter Incident Leadership. Travis contributed much of the research and content for this POST-approved course, which addresses the common failures and challenges inherent in Active Shooter response. To learn about the class, where it is next or to host it, go to CATOTRAINING.ORG.

Episode 78: Sound Doctrine: A Tactical Primer, Chapter 8, Gathering and Using Intelligence Aug 07, 2024

"Good intelligence is the linchpin for all tactical operations."

-Sid Heal

Marcus, Adam, and Kris discuss Chapter 8 of Sound Doctrine: A Tactical Primer. The group discusses information versus intelligence, the parts of the intelligence cycle, and situational awareness. They also cover the common operational picture and how you can reduce friction during your next operation.

Ep 77: Building Resiliency with Justin Dodge Jul 03, 2024

On June 15, 2023, Denver Police Sergeant Justin Dodge was working the Denver Nuggets celebratory parade when he found himself caught under the wheels of an 80,000 lb fire truck carrying the players.

Lying in the street, Dodge promised himself that if the tourniquets held and he could get to the hospital in time, he would stage an epic comeback. Eight surgeries later, including one that amputated his leg inches below the knee, he's back!

Justin works as a full-time SWAT team supervisor and has found a new passion in motivational speaking. The subject of a PBS documentary, Justin, is just a phone call away for anyone struggling.

We hope his testimony inspires you to build resiliency so you can become the hero of your own story.

Learn more at https://heavyvictory.com/

Follow him on Instagram at: @heavy_victory_

Ep 76: Lessons Learned from the Ohio Tactical Officers Association Jun 19, 2024

It's been said that it's more important how you think than what you think. CATO VP, Marcus Sprague, was fortunate to represent CATO at the Ohio Tactical Officers Association Conference in Sandusky, Ohio.

In this episode of the CATO podcast, Marcus sits down with Executive Director Pat Fiorilli of the Ohio Tactical Officer Association and retired Las Vegas Metro Sergeant Mike Quinn. Both of these men are great thinkers and have a wealth of knowledge and experience in training and developing professionals in our field. Marcus spent the week at the OTOA Conference and can't say enough about what a top-notch training event they put on. We discuss what training in Ohio looks like, their challenges, and some of the lessons learned. For more information about the OTOA, go to https://otoa.org/

Ep 75: Exploring Traumatic Brain Injuries, PTSD and CopLine Jun 05, 2024

In this episode of the CATO podcast, we connect with Stephanie Samuels, a police psychologist and founder of CopLine, a national suicide hotline for law enforcement. We'll explore Samuels' research related to first responders and traumatic brain injury (TBI). Samuels and many others believe that TBI is often misdiagnosed as PTSD, but is instead a major contributor to PTSD symptoms. She is part of a group that is researching the first responder community to better understand the effects of TBI and PTSD. CopLine is the only completely anonymous suicide hotline for police officers that is staffed by fellow law enforcement.

CopLine wants to aid in reducing the stigma associated with asking for help. They believe (as CATO does), that it is imperative for police officers to have a safe place to talk about anything occurring in their life. For more information about CopLine, please visit www.copline.org. Whether you or someone you know is having a "bad day" or a full-blown mental health crisis, CopLine is here with the motto "Cops Understand Cops".

Call the hotline: 1-800-COPLINE or 1-800-267-5463.

Ep 74: The Reality of First Responder Wellness Programs with Clinical Coordinator, Teal Ankeny May 22, 2024

In this episode of the CATO Podcast, Marcus talks with First Responder Wellness Clinical Coordinator Teal Ankeny. Teal's background places her in a unique position to understand some of the wellness challenges facing the first responder community. She and the team at First Responder Wellness have dedicated themselves to serving our community and have achieved a variety of positive results in preventing and treating some of our profession's negative impacts.

To learn more about First Responder Wellness, visit the First Responder Wellness Website.

Ep 73: Our Common Challenges: Reflecting on Five Years of SWAT Team Leader Courses May 08, 2024

CATO Team Leader Instructors Kenny Brayton and Kris Jenny sit down with Marcus to reflect on lessons learned while teaching CATO's SWAT Team Leader course over the last five years. The trio discussed common challenges shared by the majority of teams, how teams address these challenges and the things that great teams do consistently well.

Ep 72: Failing to Plan Is Planning to Fail Apr 11, 2024

One of our Founding Fathers, Benjamin Franklin, said it best, “If you fail to plan, you are planning to fail!” It's a critical element to tactical operations and we're discussing it on the latest CATO Podcast. Kris Jenny and Marcus analyze the importance of planning and how to evolve from a collaborative response to a coordinated response. They present a primer on what planning really is, what it looks like, and when and how you should document it.

Ep 71: Round Table with State Tactical Associations Mar 27, 2024

CATO Vice President, Marcus Sprague, had the honor of attending a meeting with several tactical associations from all across the country. He took advantage of the opportunity and asked a few folks to discuss some of the issues we all face. The group discussed leadership, recruiting, selection processes, annual testing, keeping training fresh and engaging, and how they deal with the challenge of finding training locations.

Marcus was joined by Sheriff Eric Blankenship of the Alabama Tactical Officers Association, Lt. George Bradley and Jon Brock of the South Carolina Tactical Association, and Barry Cape, Vice President of the Rocky Mountain Tactical Team Association.

Ep 70: Sound Doctrine Chapter 7: Strategy and Tactics, Part 2 Mar 13, 2024

Marcus and guest-host, Kris Jenny, discuss Part 2 of Chapter 7 of Sound Doctrine: A Tactical Primer, Sid Heal's 2000 book, which has become an indispensable part of tactical training. Kris and Marcus finish their discussion on the final portion of Chapter 7 of Sound Doctrine. They review fundamental tactics such as The Hammer and Anvile, Envelopment, and the Pincer Movement.

Ep 69: A proactive approach to Mental Wellness with Dr. Stephen Odom and Retired Sgt Jeff McGreevy Feb 28, 2024

Marcus sits down with Retired Sergeant Jeff McGreevy and the founder of First Responder Wellness, Dr. Stephen Odom. Dr. Odom and Jeff discuss their experiences serving the 1st responder community, what works with peer support programs, and a few things some organizations are doing wrong. Dr. Odom does a deep dive on setting yourself up for longevity and how we need to take a long term, preventive approach to mental health wellness.

To learn more about First Responder Wellness, visit the First Responder Wellness Website.

Ep 68: Sound Doctrine Chapter 7: Strategy and Tactics, Part 1 Feb 14, 2024

Marcus and guests Travis Norton and Kris Jenny discuss Part 1 of Chapter 7 of Sound Doctrine: A Tactical Primer, Sid Heal's 2000 book, which has become an indispensable part of tactical training. The group discusses Sid's insightful and compelling advice on strategy and tactics, as well as maneuvering in time, and how we can apply this thinking to current tactical situations.

Ep 67: Common Ground: Dr. Simpson Shares Health Advice with Navy Seals and CATO Jan 31, 2024

So, this episode is a little different than our usual podcast here at CATO. For anyone who has listened to our previous episodes, you know that anytime spent with retired Command Master Chief Jason Tuschen is time well spent.

We also enjoy our conversations with Dr. Graham Simpson. So, when Brent and I were asked to sit down with Dr. Simpson, Jason and retired Navy Seal William Branum, we said yes.

This is an unscripted round table where the group talks about the health and performance challenges that both of professions share and discusses what you can do to ensure a healthy retirement.

As a sidenote, Will has his own company and Ted Talk. I highly encourage you to check it out.

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Ep 66: Interview with Rusty Firmin - The Man with No Gloves Jan 17, 2024

At CATO we believe that history is the repository of all lessons and to ignore history is do doom yourself to repeat it. At the 2023 conference in San Diego, we asked the infamous SAS team leader Rusty “No Gloves” Firmin to debrief the lessons learned from the 1980 Iranian Embassy Siege. I asked fellow CATO board members Toby Darby and Josh Wofford to sit down with Rusty so he could share his wisdom with those who could not see him at the conference.

I spent a fair amount of time with Rusty before and during the conference and was impressed by his humility, sense of humor and how our profession shares many of the same struggles he as experienced throughout his career an ocean away.

I highly recommend his book on the six day hostage taking called GO GO GO!

The assault planning and training, strategy and tactics are described in detail, and the personal stories of the gunmen revealed -- who they were, where they came from, why they did it and Saddam Hussein's direct involvement.

For more information about Rusty, The Iranian Embassy Siege, and to get a copy of his new book please visit his website: https://www.rusty-firmin.com

Ep 65: SWAT Audits, Wellness and the Glamour of being the Secretary of CATO Jan 03, 2024

Marcus and CATO Secretary Jon Cabrera sit down to discuss SWAT audits and some of the themes we have seen team's struggle with throughout the state. The pair also discusses what the CATO Community can do better when it comes to working on their mental health. From wellness programs to less common resources, Marcus and Jon bring their personal stories to the table in this episode of the CATO Podcast. For more information about SWAT audits or wellness programs and resources, please contact Jon directly: secretary@catotraining.org.

Ep 64: Sniper Training Trends and what you need to know Dec 20, 2023

Marcus asked CATO board member Jon Cabrera to sit down with fellow board member Matt Alexander and his teaching partner Frank Harper as the group discusses the common training challenges facing the training and utilization of sniper teams.

Ep 63: Sound Doctrine Chapter 6: Envisioning and Achieving the End State Sep 13, 2023

In this CATO Podcast, the group discusses Chapter 6 of Sid Heal's Sound Doctrine: Envisioning and Achieving the End State. This chapter is filled with examples of how you can better understand and apply the following critical concepts: Assessing the situation, developing and defining an operational end state, Concept of Operations (CONOPS), assigning missions, and issuing orders. Join us for this discussion to explore the strategy behind these fundamental tactics.

Episode 62: Leveraging Science to Enhance Human Performance for First Responders Aug 23, 2023

Marcus sits down at O2X headquarters with John Vargo to discuss how this human performance company is leveraging the latest science and technology to enhance human performance for first responders throughout the country. All too often, law enforcement programs are unevenly focused on mental well-being or physical well-being. John and the team at O2X leverage a scientific, holistic approach to address the specific issues facing tactical populations, including high rates of injury, elevated cancer and cardiac health risks, and behavioral health issues. While originally designed to meet the unique demands of tactical athletes, the science-backed methodology has been successful with Olympic and collegiate athletes, professional sports organizations, and other top-tier organizations. To learn more about O2X, visit: https://www.o2x.com/ Listen to the O2X Tactical Performance Podcast on the platform of your choice.

Ep 61: Interview with Bob Scales: Advice from the frontlines of RIPPA. Consent Decrees and defending police with data. Jul 12, 2023

Marcus, Adam Sharki, and Brent Stratton sit down with the legendary Bob Scales. Bob Scales is a former King County Deputy Prosecutor and Special Assistant, United States Attorney for the Western District of Washington. He worked for 14 years (and three mayors) as a Public Safety Policy Advisor for the city of Seattle. Bob represented the Seattle Police Department during the 2011 DOJ pattern-or-practice investigation and served as the Compliance Coordinator under the federal consent decree. He now serves as the CEO of Police Strategies, where he and his team help law enforcement agencies throughout the country to form strategies that fight bad data and combat those who use it to fit their own narrative. Bob shares his experience with federal and state DOJ consent decrees and the Racial and Identity Profiling Advisory (RIPA) Board. This podcast episode provides an important perspective on what you can do (at any rank) to recognize this battlespace, avoid pitfalls and collect better data to avoid a state or federal consent decree.

Ep 60: Sound Doctrine Chapter 5: Tactical Principles Jun 28, 2023

For this podcast, Marcus joins CATO Board of Directors members Kris Jenny and Kenny Brayton. Kris Jenny is a Sergeant with the Napa Police Department and Kenny Brayton is a CATO instructor and Sergeant with the Ontario Police Department. Together they welcome special guest, Bobby Crees of the Pasadena Police Department. Crees, a CATO Region Representative and a graduate of the CATO Strategic Leadership Program, will join the discussion about Chapter 5 of Sound Doctrine. The group reviews each of the Tactical Principles that are present in all conflicts, and highlights what you can do to tip the scales in your favor during adversarial events.

Ep 59: The Operator’s Point of View: Supporting Large-Venue Operations Jun 14, 2023

Marcus and Travis Norton co-host a conversation about the various ways we train and support large-venue operations from an operator’s point of view. They are joined by Austin who works for a major metropolitan police agency in Northern California. Austin shares his experiences as part of a full-time SWAT team and how their team's approach to supporting large-venue operations has evolved over the years.

Episode 58: California AB742 and Constitutional Policing with Gene Ramirez Jun 02, 2023

Marcus and attorney Gene Ramirez discuss the latest amendments to the California Police Canine Bill (Bill 742), which was placed into inactive status by the bill's author as this podcast was being recorded. This bill will most likely return during the next legislative session, so there is still work to be done. Marcus and Gene also discuss Constitutional Policing: what it is and why it is such a hot topic throughout the country.

Episode 57: Sheep Dog to Bureaucrat with Jack Enter May 17, 2023

Marcus speaks with author and presenter, Jack Enter, about his recently published article entitled, “Sheep Dog to Bureaucrat." CATO invited Jack to return to the podcast to discuss how the structure, roles, and even the promotional process in law enforcement, can turn "WE" leaders into "ME" leaders. Recognizing how it happens may prevent you from becoming a "me-focused" bureaucrat as you rise through the ranks.

Jack began his career as a law enforcement officer in 1972. Since that time, he has worked as a street officer, detective, vice/narcotics investigator, manager and as the administrator of a law enforcement agency in the suburbs of Atlanta. Jack obtained his Ph.D. in 1984, and has worked as a professor and administrator in the university setting. He also served as one of the security planners for the 1996 Summer Olympic Games in Atlanta. Jack has lectured throughout the United States and abroad on the subject of leadership, as well as profiling interpersonal violence and the future of crime and policing. He has authored two books: Challenging the Law Enforcement Organization (2006; Revised 2022) and Law Enforcement Leadership in the Midst of Change (2022). To learn more about Jack, or pick up one of his books, visit https://jackenter.com

Episode 56: Sound Doctrine Chapter 4: The Structure of Command and Control Apr 27, 2023

In this episode of the CATO Podcast, Marcus sits down with CATO President and co-host, Brent Stratton, and frequent CATO guest, Travis Norton, to discuss why we need to formalize the structure that supports Command and Control, some lessons learned, and what you can do today to reduce friction in your command post. The group discusses the importance of building trust throughout the chain of command, and why you need to support the formation of Emerging Organizational Networks.

Episode 55: Critical Incident Review with Medal of Honor Recipient, Earl Plumlee Apr 12, 2023

Learn from the Best: Medal of Honor Recipient Master Sergeant Earl Plumlee CATO joins forces with tactical expert and host of The Debrief, Jon Becker, as he sits down with Medal of Honor recipient Master Sergeant Earl Plumlee. This podcast features the most exciting excerpts from Brent and Jon's interviews with Master Sergeant Plumlee. Earl is an amazing storyteller and he shares the harrowing events of that fateful day in August, 2013 when he earned the Medal of Honor--with both humility and humor. These important conversations reveal a great deal about tactical lessons learned and highlight the importance of training and initiative.

Episode 54: Training: What Can You Do Today to Make It Relevant and Impactful Mar 29, 2023

Kenny Brayton and Marcus sit down with Captain Dustin Kulling to discuss the key components required to design effective training. Learn how to apply the Theory of Constructed Emotion to police decision-making training and how action competency facilities and wellness training enhance the regulation of the stress response. Captain Kulling is a 28-year law enforcement veteran who has spent much of his adult life studying how we learn. He is a California POST Master's Instructor, has earned a Masters of Education degree, and is currently working on his Ph.D. in Communication. He spent the majority of his career in narcotics and has been involved in tactical teams at a variety of ranks.

Episode 53: Episode Sound Doctrine- Chapter 3 Nature of Commanding Mar 15, 2023

This episode of the podcast discusses Chapter Three of Sound Doctrine. Marcus and guests Travis Norton and Adam Sharki discuss Command and Control, the challenges of selecting a commander, and what it means to command effectively.

Episode 52: Attorney Gene Ramirez-Will law enforcement lose bite dogs in California Mar 02, 2023

Attorney Gene Ramirez was a founding member of CATO and has spent the last several decades defending law enforcement officers in civil court. Gene discusses California Assembly Bill 742, which bans law enforcement's use of bite dogs. Gene also discusses his lessons learned from defending officers and how we arrived at a push by the legislature to ban police bite dogs. For more information on AB742, click here https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240AB742. Gene Ramirez can be contacted at epr@manningllp.com

Episode 51: Challenges of Collateral Hostage Negotiations Team Feb 15, 2023

Marcus sits down with Nolan Cleall, who has served on a mid-sized Northern California agency's HNT Team for the last ten years. The two discuss his experiences on a collateral Hostage Negotiation Team. They review common approaches to training SWAT/HNT integration and cover some tools you can implement today to develop a comprehensive approach to solving tactical problems. Nolan is also a whiskey aficionado and has some surprising things to say about peanut butter whiskey. Nolan can be reached at ncleall@sbcglobal.net

Episode 50: Novelty- What you need to know before you face it Feb 01, 2023

Lt Travis Norton and Lt Adam Sharki join Marcus to discuss the concept of "novelty." What does it mean? Why does it make us all amateurs? They'll cover strategies you can use today to enhance your response to these "novel" and critical events.

Episode 49: Taking Care of Your Team Jan 18, 2023

CATO President Brent Stratton sits down with Nick Sprague, the President of the Rocky Mountain Tactical Team Association (RMTTA). The two discuss how to take care of your team, both professionally and personally. They also cover the importance of debriefs--even when they hurt--and the similarities and differences between CATO and RMTTA. Finally, they explore Brent's obsession with Peanut Butter Whiskey...we try not to judge.

Episode 48: Optimizing your health- a conversation with Dr. Graham Simpson Nov 23, 2022

In this episode, Brent and I sit down with retired Navy Seal Command Master Chief Jason Tuschen and world-renowned author, Dr. Graham Simpson, who is the medical director for Opt Health.

Military and first responders share many similar health problems during and after their service. I asked Jason and Dr. Simpson to explore the common health issues found in our communities and how we should be addressing them.

In the past, we’ve discussed how our body keeps score, so think of this episode as a continuation of that conversation. Are we doing the best for our bodies so, when we survive this career, we can actually enjoy all the things we said we were going to do?

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Episode 47: Unified Command lessons during mass casualty events with Jim Etzin Oct 26, 2022

Marcus Sprague and Kris Jenny sit down with Fire Training Division Manager Jim Etzin. Jim has been involved with the tactical community since serving as a corpsman in Desert Storm and as a combat medicine instructor for the 1st Marine Division. Jim attended LASD SEB SWAT school and has dedicated his life to enhancing our response to large events. He is also the founder of the North American Active Assailant Conference (NAAAC). Jim's unique blend of education and experience has also led him to develop a High Risk Unified Command class that discusses lessons learned from real life events, as well as how law enforcement, fire and EMS can work together to enhance our response and save more lives.

Episode 46: Shifting the paradigm of ropes training with Dana Vilander Sep 27, 2022

Is your ropes program ascending to meet the needs of contemporary tactical problems? Marcus Sprague sits down with a longtime friend of CATO, Dana Vilander. Dana has partnered with CATO in presenting Tactical Rope Access courses and has decades of experience in the tactical community as an operator and medic. They discuss Dana's unique background and how he blended his tactical experiences with his medical training and rescue work to form VTC training.

Episode 45: Echelon Front’s Codey Gandey Aug 31, 2022

Kevin Cyr (RCMP SWAT) joins Marcus with Echelon Front's Codey Gandey. Codey is part of the Echelon Front staff and is the lead for their First Responder Training program. Codey has worked with a variety of agencies and has personally worked with Kevin's full-time swat team in British Columbia. The group discusses common challenges agencies face and how Echelon can help your team succeed.

Episode 44: From Atlanta to the Middle East, A conversation with Randy Wagner Jul 27, 2022

Marcus sits down with the Deputy Director of the Northern California Regional Intelligence Center to discuss the importance of fusion centers. Randy started his career as a patrol officer in Atlanta Georgia. However, he spent the majority of his career working for the Drug Enforcement Agency. His final assignment with the DEA was as the Regional Director of the Middle East. After a brief stint in the private sector he became the Deputy Director of NICRIC. Randy shares his lessons learned and his perspective spans from patrol to the Middle East and how what officers do can impact LE efforts around the world.

Episode 43: What’s Wrong With Our Active Shooter Response? Jun 22, 2022

Marcus Sprague, Kris Jenny, Travis Norton and our guest, Kevin Cyr, discuss active shooter training and response and some of the lessons of the past that we have yet to learn. While the nation mourns the tragedy in Uvalde, it would behoove us to discuss what we can do now to better prepare ourselves, our teams and our communities. This discussion is not intended to specifically address Uvalde, as we believe that would be premature. Kevin Cyr is a SWAT Commander for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in the greater Vancouver metropolitan area. He has over 21 years of experience in law enforcement with a variety of specialty and leadership assignments. We like how Kevin thinks and enjoy his articles. Check him out on LinkedIn or come see his presentation at this year’s CATO Conference in Reno, November 9-12th.

Episode 42: Jon Becker and ’The Debrief.’ A New Video Podcast with Leaders in Law Enforcement Jun 01, 2022

Brent and Marcus sit down with Jon to discuss his relationship with CATO and how he has crossed paths with several pioneers of the tactical community. Jon's unique background has given him the opportunity to receive thousands of hours of tactical training as a civilian and work with a variety of tactical teams throughout law enforcement and the military. Jon uses his experiences to blend a unique outside perspective into the debrief, one which leverages a passion for the tactical community combined with an insider's access and knowledge. https://thedebrief.live/

Episode 41: Honor Hike Foundation And Why We Should Support This Noble Cause May 13, 2022

In this episode, Brent and Marcus talk with the founding members of the Honor Hike Foundation. Each year members of this organization hike one mile for every fallen Law Enforcement Officer from around the country, creating a moving memorial. The foundation also supports the officers' families and their agencies. The Honor Hike Foundation was created by a group of active and reserve law enforcement officers and during the hike the participant carries only the gear they need to survive, a Thin Blue Line American Flag, and dog tags made in honor of each fallen officer. This year several CATO members joined the hike along the Appalachian Trail and carried dog tags in remembrance of Deputy Sheriff Phillip Jesse Campas from Kern County Sheriff's Office, who was killed 7/25/21 and Detective Luca Pietro Benedetti from San Luis Obispo Police Department, who was killed 5/10/21.

To learn more about this noble cause and to show your support visit their website honorhikefoundation.org and donate what you can.

Episode 40: Swans, Rhinos, and Gordon Graham Mar 18, 2022

For this exciting podcast, Marcus is joined by CATO board member and training cadre member, Sergeant Kristofer Jenny, and Travis Norton, a southern California lieutenant. The three sit down with the infamous Gordon Graham to discuss Black Swans, Gray Rhinos, and what you can do now to impact your team, your agency, and our profession. Graham, a 33-year veteran of law enforcement and the co-founder of Lexipol, is also a risk management expert and a practicing attorney. He packs the conversation with real takeaways you can use today to improve your decision-making and avoid the next Gray Rhino!

Episode 39 - Sound Doctrine Chapter 2: Crisis and Conflict Feb 18, 2022

In this episode of the CATO podcast, Brent and Marcus sit down with CATO's Demonstration Response Chair, Adam Sharki, and CATO Training Cadre member, Kris Jenny, to discuss Chapter 2 of the Sound Doctrine, Crisis and Conflict. The group discusses the definition of a crisis, the five characteristics present in all crises and why you should be able to explain them to those you serve with, your superiors, and potentially a jury. The group also discusses how to apply these principles in day-to-day operations.

Episode 38 - Blast Analytics and Your Brain Feb 04, 2022

Neuroscientist Dr. James Engall, co-founder and President of Blast Analytics and Mitigation Inc., sits down with Brent and me to discuss the results of BAam360's research and mitigation with the Navy Seals, how they are bringing about awareness and mitigation strategies related to blast exposure in the military, and why it led them to develop Operations Blue Shield where they leverage their knowledge to help the law enforcement community.

There are a lot of layers to these issues, and the circles these folks travel in continue to overlap with CATO. We can foresee this becoming a partnership that can help mitigate these types of risks for those in our profession. For the record, James Engall is a doctor, and we are talking about medical issues, so if you are experiencing any of the symptoms discussed, please seek medical help and talk to your doctor.

We will be posting additional information on the website and in the show notes. As always, I hope you enjoy the show and see the value in the work these folks have done with the military and how it can save law enforcement lives.

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Episode 37 - AB481 Military Equipment Legislation for California Jan 14, 2022

Marcus and Brent sit down with a panel of experts to discuss California Assembly AB481, affectionately known as the Military Equipment Bill. Panel members have spoken with the folks from Lexipol as well as other attorneys and experts throughout the state and come together to discuss the major components of the law, including some of the poorly written and unclear portions. The group also offers suggestions on the intent of the law and what you can do to ensure you and your agency remain in compliance. While this group does represent a variety of experience and expertise, and they have vetted their opinions with several legal experts, you should consult your agency's legal team for their interpretation of the law.

Panel members include CATO President Brent Stratton, who serves as an Assistant Chief in the Central Valley with a background in the tactical teams, internal affairs, and DOJ oversight. Panel member Adam Sharki is a Lieutenant for one of the largest cities in Southern California and has a variety of experiences at his agency and serves as our Demonstration Response Chair. Panel Member Kris Jenny is a Sergeant at a small to medium size agency in Northern California and is charged with the AB481 compliance for his agency. Kris is an SLP2 graduate, a member of the teaching cadre, and was recently appointed to the CATO Board of Directors. Travis Norton is a Lieutenant in Southern California who is a lethal force expert and chairs the CATO After Action Review Team.

Episode 36 - An Introduction to the Book ’Sound Doctrine’ and Why You Need to Read this Book and What It Can Do For You Dec 24, 2021

Brent Stratton, Marcus Sprage and Adam Sharki discuss Sid Heal's book, 'Sound Doctrine'. They discuss what they like about the book and why they feel it should be the cornerstone for the foundation of tactical learning. This will be the first of several episodes that break down 'Sound Doctrine' and how you can apply it to resolve today's tactical problems.

Episode 35 - Is your demonstration response and use of force policies and practices in compliance with AB 48? Here’s what you need to know now Dec 10, 2021

Marcus is joined by CATO SWAT Team Leader Cadre members Kenny Brayton and Kris Jenny, CATO's After Action Review Chair Travis Norton, and CATO's Demonstration Response Chair Adam Sharki for a panel discussion on the component parts of California Assembly Bill 48 and what you need to know to ensure that your demonstration response and use of force is within policy. We'll discuss what you can do to make sure your demonstration response program's training, documentation, and deployments are consistent with this new law.

Episode 34 - A Shotgun Conversation with Sgt. Tom Datro, Host of the Policing in America Podcast Nov 26, 2021

Marcus sits down with Sergeant Tom Datro, host of the POLICING IN AMERICA podcast. Sergeant Datro works for one of the largest police departments on the West Coast and created his podcast to address difficult challenges facing law enforcement today. In this episode of the CATO podcast, Marcus and Tom discuss a variety of topics such as de-escalation, leadership, culture, the importance of empathy throughout the organization, and several other challenges facing our profession. Learn more about Tom's podcasts at policinginamerica.com

Episode 33 - When Your Training Doesn‘t Prepare You for the Fight Oct 15, 2021

Jeff Felts, from Center Mass, is our guest on the latest episode of the CATO Podcast with Marcus Sprague and Kris Jenny, CATO Training Cadre member. As a young sniper, Jeff found himself well trained, but poorly prepared for a very dynamic hostage situation. This setback sent him on a journey to improve his training and resulted in the formation of Center Mass, the National Patrol Rifle Conference and Championship, and the patrol rifle utilization survey. Each year, participants from around the country compete in a variety of patrol rifle scenarios taken from the streets of America.

Jeff retired from law enforcement after serving for twenty years as a Police Officer and Sergeant in suburban Metro Detroit. He is also a veteran of the Army, where he was an MP and in the reserves as an Infantry Drill Sergeant. He also served for 12 years in a part-time capacity with the Western Wayne County Special Operations Team as an Operator, Sniper, and Sniper Team Leader. He holds an associate degree in criminal justice, a bachelor's degree in business administration, and is a graduate of Northwestern University School of Police Staff and Command. Jeff is a certified special weapons and tactics instructor, tactical rifle instructor, sniper instructor, pistol instructor, and President of Center Mass, Inc., and serves as an Advisory Board Member of the American Sniper Association (ASA).

Links of interest:

CMI website https://shop.centermassinc.com/

NPRC main page https://shop.centermassinc.com/info/national-patrol-rifle-conference-championships

Patrol Rifle Utilization Survey https://shop.centermassinc.com/info/patrol-rifle-utilization-survey

CMI Training info https://shop.centermassinc.com/info/leo-training-services

CMI FB page: https://www.facebook.com/centermasslivonia

NPRC FB page: https://www.facebook.com/NationalPatrolRifleConference

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Episode 32 - The Body Keeps the Score with Dr. Bessel van der Kolk Oct 01, 2021

We don't often talk about one of the greatest threats facing our profession. This adversary is hard to name, difficult to identify, and is rarely talked about openly, yet each year it kills more and more dedicated men and women in law enforcement and the military. We all agree these professions leave a mark when you're done. For some, this mark can cost them their happiness, family, and even their life. In an effort to find the best information and tools to address this adversary, we reached out to Dr. Bessel van der Kolk, a pioneer in the field of PTSD research and treatment, a world-renowned psychiatrist, author, researcher, and educator. He’s been researching post-traumatic stress since the 1970s, its effects on the body, and how a variety of modalities can reduce those impacts. He is the author of the bestselling 'The Body Keeps the Score,' which we highly recommend that everyone read.
Dr. Bessel van der Kolk has dedicated his professional life to helping people heal from their traumas, and when we heard about and expressed interest in a brand new 4-week online course on PTSD launching October 20, 2021, Dr. van der Kolk's team graciously offered a limited-time promo code for a discounted rate to our members. CATO is receiving nothing in return for promoting this class, we are not associated with Dr. Bessel van der Kolk or this course in any way, we simply care about our community and want to pass on all resources that can help our community deal with trauma and PTSD. For more information about this 4-week course, and the promo code which expires October 20th, please go to English 4 Week | Bessel van der Kolk, MD..
Joining me as co-host for this episode is Alex West. Alex served multiple tours during his time in the Navy, and led some of the greatest folks our country has to offer through a variety of hot spots around the world. He has dedicated his post-military life to helping veterans and was CATO's keynote speaker at our last annual training conference in San Diego. He also was our guest in podcast episode #3, which we recommend you check out. Alex is truly committed to the CATO Community and joins us today to help veterans and first responders survive the effects of PTSD during and after their careers.

The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma: van der Kolk M.D., Bessel

Episode 31 - Lessons Learned from the 9/11 attacks on the Pentagon Sep 17, 2021

Marcus and Brent sit down with retired Alexandria Virginia Captain Tom Panther. Captain Panther, a former SWAT Operator and Commander, was one of the men charged with coordinating the response to the Pentagon attack on 09/11/01. While we hope to never repeat the experiences of 9/11 and the attacks on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, there are a lot of lessons to be learned. Panther shares his story and lessons learned from a law enforcement perspective. While he is retired now, the event had a profound impact on his personal and professional life. It also solidified his commitment to a controlled and disciplined response to catastrophic events by utilizing the ICS process. Panther is currently an adjunct faculty member of the TEEX Enhanced Incident Management/Unified Command for All Hazards course, a no-nonsense course packed with practical exercises to prepare students to manage a variety of complex incidents. For more information on that course go to teex.org/class/MGT314

Episode 30 - Leadership Lessons with Chief Chris Hsiung Sep 03, 2021

In this podcast episode, Marcus and Brent sit down with Chief Chris Hsiung to discuss lessons in leadership. Hsiung is the Police Chief of the Mountain View Police Department, located in the heart of Silicon Valley CA, and is an internationally recognized speaker and author on the topics of digital strategy, crisis communications, and leadership. In his time with Mountain View PD, Chief Hsiung has held a variety of investigative, tactical, and leadership roles, serving in every division in the organization. He spent 13 years on the Mountain View PD Regional SWAT Team, serving as an assault member, sniper, rappel master, and tactical commander. Chief Hsiung is a graduate of the Harvard Kennedy School of Government Senior Executives in State and Local Government program and has a master’s degree in eBusiness Management from Notre Dame de Namur in Belmont, CA. He also serves in several leadership positions on multiple boards, including committee member on the IACP's Professional Standards, Ethics, and Image Committee, Chair of the California Police Chiefs Association Communications Committee, and as a board member on the Global Advisory Council for the Crisis Ready Institute.

Episode 29 - Drones, Ghosts, and the Edge of Chaos Aug 20, 2021

Marcus and Kris Jenny sit down with Kris Allshouse, Executive Director of the Los Angeles Regional Training Center, to discuss the current state of drones in law enforcement, what future drone technology may look like in the near future, and their must-attend class 'The Edge of Chaos.' Kris also discusses several essential courses available at LARTC.

Kris Allshouse is a retired Detective Supervisor and POST Master Instructor. He has designed and taught over 70 courses for CA Law Enforcement including the POST ICI Officer Involved Shooting, Homicide, Burglary, Vehicle Theft, and Identity Theft Investigative Courses. Kris was an instructor and curriculum writer for the POST ICI Instructor’s Course, the IDI Leadership Mentoring and Coaching Course, the IDI Advanced Instructor Course, and the Master Instructor Certification Course. His tactical background as a SWAT operator, medic, and waterborne team member culminated in his working as an anti-terrorism consultant and a tactical drone instructor for agencies across the United States.

Kristofer Jenny is a Sergeant at a Northern California police agency and is part of the CATO Team Leader Teaching Cadre. He is a CATO SLP 2 graduate and was instrumental in creating CATO's Critical Incident Management for Supervisors course.

Episode 28 - AB 392 and its Effect on Hostage Events Aug 06, 2021

Marcus sits down with Matt Alexander, Kris Jenny, and Travis Norton to discuss the effects of California AB3 92 on managing hostage rescue operations, as well as its impact on the priority of life and things you should consider in training, deploying, and documenting uses of force.

Matt Alexander is a Lieutenant at a Central California agency. He is a CATO Instructor for the SWAT Team Leader and SWAT Commander courses, a CATO Regional Training Rep, and he also teaches for his own company, Advanced Combat Evolutions. Travis Norton is a Lieutenant in a Southern California agency. He is a CATO SLP 1 (Strategic Leadership Program) graduate, leads the CATO After Action Team, and teaches a variety of classes for the NTOA. Kristofer Jenny is a Sergeant at a Northern California police agency and is part of the CATO Team Leader Teaching Cadre. He is a CATO SLP 2 graduate and was instrumental in creating CATO's Critical Incident Management for Supervisors course.

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CALIFORNIA ASSEMBLY BILL 392

Does This New Legislation Affect the Decision to Shoot a Hostage Taker?

by Travis Norton

Episode 27-Command and Control Part 2 (Practical Application) Jul 09, 2021

Marcus continues the conversation about Command and Control with Travis Norton and Kris Jenny. They discuss practical action items you can do now to reduce the friction inherent at all levels during tactical operations. Travis Norton is a Lieutenant in a Southern California agency. He is a CATO SLP 1 (Strategic Leadership Program) graduate, leads the CATO After Action Team, and teaches a variety of classes for the NTOA. Kristofer Jenny is a Sergeant at a Northern California police agency and is part of the CATO Team Leader Teaching Cadre. He is a CATO SLP 2 graduate and was instrumental in creating CATO's Critical Incident Management for Supervisors course.

Episode 26 - Command and Control Jun 25, 2021

Marcus and Brent sit down with Ted King to discuss balancing command and control with independent decision-making through a variety of perspectives. Ted is a Lieutenant with the Bakersfield Police Department and a co-founder and managing member of Alpha Safety Solutions, a company that works with organizations and safety professionals to develop comprehensive emergency management plans based on FEMA recommendations. Ted has over 20 years of combined military and law enforcement experience, including SWAT, complex investigations, counter-terrorism, physical security, and vulnerability assessments. He earned a master's degree in emergency management and is a terrorism liaison officer program coordinator for a large municipal police department. Ted has also been a valued member of CATO for many years and graduated from CATO's Strategic Leadership Program.

Episode 25 - Workers Comp Injuries- What You Don’t Know Can Cost You Your Career Jun 04, 2021

Marcus Sprague discusses workers' compensation issues with Nick Hitch and Laura Rosenthal. They detail what you can do before, during, and after a work-related injury. Nick is a medically retired police officer from Northern California who was forced to retire after his injury was mismanaged by his agency, their insurance provider, and some of the medical folks charged with his care. Laura is a workers compensation attorney who represents first responders to ensure they get the best treatment possible, and if they can't return to work they are treated fairly by their agency and the insurer.

Episode 24 - Strategies for Managing Demonstration Response May 21, 2021

Kris Jenny and Marcus Sprague sit down with Andrew, who works for a large Southern California law enforcement agency and has managed a variety of First Amendment activities. Andrew recently taught a Demonstration Response Class for CATO and we thought it would be a good time to sit down and discuss some of the key components in analyzing and developing a response to demonstrations, protests, and riots.

Episode 23 - Lessons Learned from Years of Practicing Leadership with Chief Phil Hansen May 07, 2021

Chief Hansen is that rare leader you can’t help but want to work for when you meet him. His combination of humility, humor, and sage wisdom not only provide lessons we can all learn from but they set the standard for what today’s leaders should embody. He has dedicated his life to the thoughtful study of leadership and serving others, and in this podcast episode he sits down with Brent and Marcus to discuss the lessons he learned over the course of his 40+ years in law enforcement.

Episode 22 - The Tactical Athlete and Quiet Professional with Rob Shaul from Mountain Tactical Athlete Apr 23, 2021

Our latest podcast episode, The Tactical Athlete and Quiet Professional with Rob Shaul from Mountain Tactical Athlete, is now available.
In this episode, Marcus Sprague sits down with Rob Shaul, founder and president of the Mountain Tactical Institute, to discuss how Rob and his team design mission-directed fitness programs to assist tactical athletes. We talk about common pitfalls in today’s law enforcement fitness programs and some strategies you can employ today to fix them and improve your mission readiness.
We also delve into the keys to becoming a quiet professional, legal challenges to high jeopardy fitness assessments in law enforcement, and how physical fitness has proven to raise your performance level in a variety of other areas

Check out his site:
https://mtntactical.com/
Robs article on becoming a Quiet Professional:
https://mtntactical.com/knowledge/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-quiet-professional/

Episode 21 - Promoting up the Ranks with Andy Borrello Mar 19, 2021

In this episode, Marcus sits down with Police Promotion Expert Andy Borrello. Andy has helped thousands of law enforcement professionals improve their performance during the oral board process. They discuss what executives are looking for, some of the common pitfalls to avoid, and some key things you can do to separate yourself from other candidates. Stay tuned to the end of the episode for a generous offer for CATO podcast listeners. We hope you enjoy the show.

www.policepromote.com

Episode 20 - Building a Culture of Leadership Mar 05, 2021

Deputy Chief Jessica Nowaski discusses an intentional approach to building a culture of leadership and how making quick decisions can make us great emergency managers but can work against us when developing a culture of leadership. She discusses some key things you can do right now to improve morale, listen more effectively and improve the culture of your unit, team or organization.

Episode 19 - Running 4 Heroes with Zechariah Cartledge Feb 19, 2021

Marcus interviews Zechariah Cartledge, a young man who started his own non-profit, Running 4 Heroes, to raise awareness and funds for first responders who have fallen in the line of duty. But don't take our word for it, listen to this podcast episode where Zechariah explains why he runs a mile for every first responder lost throughout our nation. To learn more about Running 4 Heroes, check out their website running4heroes.org. Please spread the word about their great work and consider supporting this worthy cause.

Episode 18 - Police Sniper Response to a Public Venue Feb 05, 2021

CATO Training Cadre member Kris Jenny joins Marcus as they interview Tacflow Academy Instructor Mark Lang. Mark has an extensive amount of experience as a law-enforcement sniper and has trained thousands of snipers throughout the country. We discuss sniper response to public venues, aerial platform operations, and lessons Mark has learned from teaching throughout the country and serving as the sniper chair for the NTOA. You can learn more about Tacflow Academy at tacflow.com.

www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/blog/2018/04/16/safety-act

Episode 17 - A Conversation with Johnny Walker and Jason Tuschen (Part 2) Jan 22, 2021

Brent and Marcus sit down with retired Navy Seal Command Master Chief Jason Tuschen, and one of the Navy SEALs most sought-after interpreters, Johnny Walker, to talk about their experiences with team building, leadership, brotherhood, and trusting one another during times of extreme duress in combat. Jason's exemplary 27-year career in the military included serving with SEAL Team THREE, Seal Team SEVEN, the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, leading the First Phase at BUD/S, and culminated at the Naval Special Warfare Group ONE where, as Command Master Chief, he was responsible for executing National Security Strategy in the Middle East, South East Asia and the Korean Peninsula. Johnny's story is nothing short of heroic and patriotic, detailed is his bestselling book "Code Name: Johnny Walker: The Extraordinary Story of the Iraqi Who Risked Everything to Fight with the U.S. Navy SEALs." While working with the SEALS, he went on thousands of missions and saved many American lives, and for this he received numerous citations and commendations for his work with the Navy SEALs.

Episode 16 - A Conversation with Johnny Walker and Jason Tuschen (Part 1) Jan 08, 2021

Brent and Marcus sit down with retired Navy Seal Command Master Chief Jason Tuschen, and one of the Navy SEALs most sought-after interpreters, Johnny Walker, to talk about their experiences with team building, leadership, brotherhood, and trusting one another during times of extreme duress in combat. Jason's exemplary 27-year career in the military included serving with SEAL Team THREE, Seal Team SEVEN, the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, leading the First Phase at BUD/S, and culminated at the Naval Special Warfare Group ONE where, as Command Master Chief, he was responsible for executing National Security Strategy in the Middle East, South East Asia and the Korean Peninsula. Johnny's story is nothing short of heroic and patriotic, detailed is his bestselling book "Code Name: Johnny Walker: The Extraordinary Story of the Iraqi Who Risked Everything to Fight with the U.S. Navy SEALs." While working with the SEALS, he went on thousands of missions and saved many American lives, and for this he received numerous citations and commendations for his work with the Navy SEALs. Stay tuned for part 2 of this podcast!

Episode 15 - Active Shooter Roundtable Discussion Dec 11, 2020

In this episode, Marcus sits down with Travis, John, and Nick to discuss their lessons learned from responding to a variety of active shooter/killer incidents. They discuss the principles at play during an event as well as things we can do now to prepare decision-makers and the troop to better respond to mass casualty incidents.

Episode 14 - Leading Up with Brent And Marcus Nov 27, 2020

In this episode, Bent and Marcus try a little something different. One of the more popular questions throughout the state from new Team Leaders and Watch Commanders is how to take newfound information back to their teams and lead up and down the chain of command. This is such a prevalent issue throughout our profession that Brent passes out a pdf of the chapter in Extreme Ownership to new leaders at his department. Noted author and previous podcast guest Jack Enter also address this issue in his book. So today Brent and I discuss leading up and down the chain of command and hopefully provide a little direction and tools for those of you who looking for it.

Episode 13 - Challenging the Law Enforcement Organization with Jack Enter Nov 13, 2020

Our newest podcast episode is a conversation with Jack Enter, author of 'Challenging the Law Enforcement Organization: Proactive Leadership Strategies.' We discuss what you need to know about inherent leadership problems in law enforcement and how you can fix it or navigate through it.
Jack Enter started his law enforcement career 48 years ago when he worked as a street police officer, detective, vice/narcotics investigator, and an administrator of a law enforcement agency. He was also one of the research associates assigned to planning the security component of the 1996 Summer Olympic Games. Since obtaining his Ph.D., he serves as a university professor and administrator, and Director of Information and Education for the Governor's Criminal Justice Coordinating Council. He has also lectured throughout the United States and abroad to such groups as the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, Great Britain's New Scotland Yard, and the Moscow Police Command College. In 2019, Jack Enter was a speaker at CATO's annual training conference.

Episode 12 - Envisioning the End State with John Stanley Oct 30, 2020

John Stanley served with the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department for 32 years. During his career, he taught non-lethal weapons, squad and riot control tactics, served as a member of TASER International’s (now Axon) correctional board of instructors, as a Senior Master Instructor, and lead instructor for the LASD Custody Incident Command School. Stanley is also an award-winning historian, authoring over 80 articles on law enforcement tactics and history, 530 biographical sketches on the peace officers who gave their lives in the line of duty serving the people of Los Angeles County, one novel, and a regular column called ‘From the Archives’ for CATO News magazine. He has recently worked as a consultant on Custody Use of Force cases and as a reader for Sid Heal’s book Concepts of Nonlethal Force. Stanley continues to teach Tactical Science courses in California and around the US for the company Field Command.

Episode 11 - Concepts of Non Lethal Force with Sid Heal Part 2 of 2 Oct 18, 2020

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