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    Breaking Green Ceilings

    Breaking Green Ceilings spotlights passionate environmentalists we don’t often hear from or hear enough from including those from underrepresented groups – Disabled, Queer, Trans, Black, Indigenous and People of Color. Join eco-nerd, Sapna Mulki, for your weekly installment of Breaking Green Ceilings and learn about the journeys of success, failure, challenges overcome, and aspirations of our eco-warriors. Breaking Green Ceilings features interviews with inspiring environmentalists like Bill Tripp Director of Natural Resources and Environmental Policy at Karuk Tribe Department of Natural Resources, Dr. Ingrid Waldron, author of There’s Something in the Water, Isaias Hernandez of QueerBrownVegan, and Dr. Mariaelena Huambachano, a native Peruvian Indigenous scholar, and more!

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    EP 27: Activating Communities to Cleanup New York City Aug 25, 2020
    Show notes

    Alyssa Perez is many things but among the most important are a mother, an environmentalist, and the founder of Stay Blooming. She's a Puerto Rican and has lived in the Bronx, New York her entire life. She has had a passion for our natural world since young and found herself wanting to protect these spaces over the years. Environmental awareness, education, and stewardship encompass much of her professional and personal lives. Stay Blooming reflects these values. She has also worked with Queens Botanical Garden as a Farm & Compost Intern and with GrowNYC as a Compost Coordinator. Alyssa recently graduated with her BA in Environmental Studies at CUNY Queens College. Her goal is to make environmental education common knowledge, accessible, and digestible for anyone and everyone but especially her community.

    Show Notes - https://watersavvysolutions.com/cleaningup-newyork/

    Topics Discussed:

    • Building effective grassroots effort for volunteer cleanups.
    • Being a woman of color in the environmental field.
    • Effectiveness of plastic bag bans

    Follow Us:

    • Instagram - @Breaking_Green_Ceilings
    • Facebook- @breaking green ceilngs
    • Twitter- @sapnamulki

    EP 26: A Day in the Life of an Interpretive Naturalist Aug 18, 2020
    Show notes

    Jeremy Lin is an interpretive naturalist for California State Parks. Based at Donner Memorial SP, Jeremy is the lead interpreter for several parks in Sierra District. As lead interpreter Jeremy manages several park programs including nature education, docent volunteers, and infrastructural and long-range planning. Jeremy has been involved in creating a number of park programs to increase public engagement – California State Parks Backpacking Adventures (CASPBA) program, Wilderness Patrol volunteer program. Jeremy has also managed all interpretive programs Rancho del Oso – Big Basin Redwoods State Park. Programs include recruiting/facilitating low income communities/schools for field trips. Previously, Jeremy worked as a program director for an outdoor science school. He graduated from University of California, Santa Cruz with a degree in Environmental Studies and is on track to graduate from Prescott College, Arizona with a M.A. Environmental Studies in Spring 2020. His main area of study for grad school is Evaluating the Impact of Volunteers Serving Public Lands.

    Show Notes: https://watersavvysolutions.com/podcast/naturalist

    Topics Discussed:

    • What it means to be an Interpretive Naturalist.
    • How California State Parks is create inclusive outdoor programs.
    • The importance of volunteers to the State and National Parks.

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    • Instagram - @Breaking_Green_Ceilings
    • Facebook- @breaking green ceilngs
    • Twitter- @sapnamulki

    EP 25: Reclaiming Indigenous Rights to Food Sovereignty Aug 04, 2020
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    Dr. Mariaelena Huambachano, is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Civil Society and Community Studies and Director of Biodiversity Protection and Indigeneity at UW, Madison. Dr. Huambachano’s work explores public policies for food sovereignty, social movements, sustainable development, and the role of Indigenous knowledge to improve food security and environmental policies. Dr. Huambachano utilises a novel theoretical approach by using the Traditional Ecological Knowledge (TEK) theory and rights-based approaches to food security complemented with community-based participatory research. To give voice to and recognize unique knowledge systems, she developed the ‘Khipu Model,’ an Indigenous research-based framework, which she uses in her work with Indigenous communities. She is also an active member of the UN Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues and a Lead Author in the global report on the ‘values’ assessment of nature of the Intergovernmental Panel of Biodiversity and Ecosystems Services (IPBES).

    Show Notes - https://watersavvysolutions.com/podcast/indigenous-rights

    Topics Discussed:

    • Basic Principles of Indigenous Food Sovereignty
    • Impact of Colonization and Capitalism
    • Being an Indigenous Scholar in Western Academia

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    • Instagram - @Breaking_Green_Ceilings
    • Facebook- @breaking green ceilngs
    • Twitter- @sapnamulki

    EP 24: Bringing Fire Back to the Karuk Tribe Jul 28, 2020
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    Bill Tripp is a Karuk Tribal Member and Interim Director of the Karuk Tribe Department of Natural Resources. He began learning how to work with fire from the age of four from his Grandmother. His work to restore fire into the hands of Karuk People through an integrated Traditional Ecological Knowledge and western science framework has been instrumental in shaping state and federal policy changes in regards to prescribed fire.

    Show Notes

    Topics Discussed:

    • Ecological Importance of Cultural Burns
    • History of Cultural Burns in the U.S. and Globally
    • Importance of Fire to the Karuk Tribe

    Follow Bill Tripp:

    • Twitter - @CulturalFire
    • #endowactionnow

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    EP 23: Making the Outdoors Accessible to Disabled Hikers Jul 21, 2020
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    Syren Nagakyrie (they/she) is a long-time disabled activist and community builder who is passionate about liberation through connection. Syren grew up with multiple invisible disabilities; they found connection with nature to be a source of comfort in times of social isolation. Syren is the founder of Disabled Hikers, (www.disabledhikers.com), an organization providing resources, events, and advocacy. Syren is a freelance writer, consultant, and presenter. They are the author of The Disabled Hiker’s Guide to Western Washington and Oregon: outdoor adventures accessible by car, wheelchair, and foot, to be published by FalconGuides. Syren currently resides on traditional lands of the Quileute, in Forks, Washington. Syren identifies as a white, queer, and poor person from a disabled and working-class background.

    - Show Notes

    - Topics Discussed:

    • Disabled Hikers Initiative
    • How to be Inclusive to People with Disabilities
    • Inspiration Porn
    • Spoon Theory

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    EP 22: Stories From a Black Ecologist and Aspiring Hunter Jul 14, 2020
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    Dr. Jonathan Hall is a wildlife ecologist by training with a broad interest in wildlife conservation, human/wildlife interaction, environmental justice, and species movement ecology. Much of his research experience is in the semi-arid environment of Western Rajasthan, India, focusing on the ecological and cultural relationships that exist between human populations and vultures. In addition to research in India he is also interested in understanding landscape and other environmental dynamics involving the recovery and range expansion of California Condors. The primary goal of his research is to develop comprehensive conservation strategies for non-human species that accounts for and incorporates human livelihood practices.

    Jonathan founded the Wilderness Geography Lab (previously the Conservation Geography Lab) in 2014 in the Department of Geology and Geography at West Virginia University. The lab currently conducts research in West Virginia, California, Yellowstone National Park, and Rajasthan India. Dr. Hall holds a Ph.D. in Ecology from the Ohio State University and a B.S. in Biology from Morehouse College.

    Topics Discussed:

    • California Condors Rehabilitation
    • How to be a White Accomplice
    • Structural Racism in Conservation/Ecology
    • Hunting While Black

    EP 21: Finding a Place to Belong Jul 07, 2020
    Show notes

    Belinda’s environmental journey began when she was growing up in New York. As the first-born child of immigrant parents from south east China, Belinda found herself caught between two worlds. As a young child, she faced discrimination from white peers who saw her as “other” and faced the pressure of her parents’ desire to pursue a “respectable” and economically beneficial career path.

    To find solace from the pressure and the discrimination, Belinda would seek out the peacefulness of the wooded parks in her neighborhood to “cut down on the voices” in her head so she could hear her own thoughts. She became familiar with the trees and understory plants and “their beauty just helped to quiet the noise”. Those woodlands became sacred and safe spaces for her. From then on, she made a promise to the woodlands to use her life to pay it forward and improve the relationship between humans and nature.

    Building Environmental Education Programs

    As an adult, Belinda decided to pursue a career in environmental education. Currently, she is the coordinator for the Urban Food Systems (UFS) Program at Seattle Parks and Recreation (SPR). She oversees 23+ acres of SPR public space dedicated to growing food. Race & social justice are at the center of her work as she has dedicated herself to equitable access for learning in outdoor spaces in service to a vast diversity of people in a variety of urban settings.

    Through her work experiences she has witnessed a lack of representation of Black, Indigenous, and people of color in her environmental education programs and in the organizations she's worked in. She writes, “The disproportionality is disturbing in light of the diversity of peoples borne from the wilds of this earth. The trees call to me to act.”

    As a result, Belinda uses her position to cultivate diversity by using intergenerational logic models and racial justice tools, and by serving on the The Race & Social Justice Change Team with the city of Seattle. This helps but she stresses that “we have a long way to go!

    Empowering Environmentalists of Color

    Often being the only person of color in her workplace, Belinda felt isolated and yearned for a community that could see and accept her for who she is. Her white workplace peers often tokenized and dismissed discriminatory acts towards her. Wanting to understand the prejudice of dominantly white environmental organizational culture, she started to educate herself on issues of environmental history and environmental justice and attend workshops on the same.

    Belinda attended a Center for Diversity and Environment (CDE) workshop facilitated by Marcelo Bonta and Queta Gonzales where she had an opportunity to connect with other like-minded people and from different cultural backgrounds. She was also uplifted when she saw leaders of color facilitating the workshop.

    It was only until she attended that CDE workshop that she felt like she found a place she belonged - “I was in community with people who could see me! See me as a professional!” It was a watershed moment that inspired Belinda and a few colleagues to co-found the Seattle chapter for the Environmental Professionals of Color - affiliated with the CDE. The Seattle Chapter has been successful and growing; Starting with three co-organizers in 2012 to nine co-organizers and over 400 members in 2020!

    Other Themes Explored

    Belinda is inspiring and a true pleasure to listen to as she explains the intricacies of her work, the realities of institutional racism, tokenism, and so much more, on this week's episode of Breaking Green Ceilings.

    Follow Belinda Chin:

    • Urban Food Systems E-Newsletter Signup

    Related Resources:

    • Climate Action Panel 2017 moderated by former Vice President Al Gore
    • Climate Reality
    • Fruit Matters
    • "How Do You Leave a Legacy for Trails?"
    • Green Teacher Interview
    • Our Story: Climate Justice & Environmental Justice
    • Connecting People to Local Environments
    • Belinda Chin – Green 2.0
    • Center for Diversity and the Environment
    • Racial Justice Tool
    • Emergent Strategy: Shaping Change, Changing Worlds by Adrienne Maree Brown
    • Finding your Roots by Henry Louis Gates Jr.

    EP 20: On Being a Black Feminist Environmental Ethnographer Jun 30, 2020
    Show notes

    Traveling from New Jersey to North Carolina, Frances was able to experience urban city living as well as life in a rural area surrounded by hog farms. Through that, she and her family remained tight knit as her mother inspired her from all angles. With the house matriarch as a teacher and enthusiastic environmentalist, Frances was able to get the support she needed to obtain a BA in Sociology & Anthropology, Environmental Studies & Science Minor, from Spelman College, and currently working on a PhD in Society & Environment at UC Berkeley.

    With her degree, she has charged into the realm of scientific research in a noble effort to make positive material changes in peoples’ lives, particularly indigenous and communities of color who have been marginalized and silenced for centuries.

    Frances’ current PhD dissertation focuses on Gulf Coast women of color’s climate justice activism and strategies to resist environmental racism while navigating contradictory relationships with energy and petrochemical industries. It is titled, “Post-Apocalyptic Environmental Politics: Women of Color, Climate Justice and State-Corporate Crime in Louisiana.”

    Ethnography and Climate Change

    Ethnography is a branch of anthropology and the systematic study of individual cultures. In contrast with ethnology, ethnography explores cultural phenomena from the point of view of the subject of the study. Described as community based research, or participatory action research, this is a feminist research method that focuses on non-invasive and minimal-extractive methods, empowering the community to be hands on and involved in every step of the process.

    Frances’ life work is shaped by environmental justice geographies including Carolina hog and chicken farms, Jersey urban landscapes, and Louisiana petrochemical-plantation corridors. She currently lives and teaches on Indigenous land known as Bulbancha (i.e. New Orleans, Louisiana) that is historically home to the Chitimacha, Choctaw, Houma, Atakapa-Ishak and various other African and Creole Indigenous peoples, which is at high risk to experience adverse climate change effects.

    Other Topics

    Frances is incredibly inspirational and knowledgeable. From sharing the importance of mentorship and navigating imposter syndrome, to empowering everyday people to claim the title “activist”, to describing the different impacts of climate change for different people in varying locations, this week’s episode of Breaking Green Ceilings is going to leave you motivated and inspired to do your part.

    Follow Frances Roberts-Gregory

    1. Website
    2. LinkedIn
    3. Instagram

    Related Resources

    1. On Being the (Only) Black Feminist Environmental Ethnographer in Gulf Coast Louisiana
    2. I do not drive in the South…And here’s why
    3. Diversity and Environmental Grantmakers: A Summer Love Story

    EP 19: Going Rogue: Life After Being an LGBTQ Environmental Educator Jun 23, 2020
    Show notes

    Growing up in Ohio, Katie spent a lot of her childhood outside during the summer months. She spent a year at her grandmother’s house where she immersed herself in nature. Katie was able to take her love and interest for animals and nature into a career. While in attendance at Ohio University, she created her own bachelor’s special studies degree which she used to conduct research around snakes and then salamanders in Kentucky. After graduating, she worked at the OSU Stone Lab as a maintenance crew worker and has also gained experience in working for the National Parks Services and for the Cleveland Metro Parks at the Zoo and Wildlife Rehab Center.

    Currently, Katie has created a company called Legacy 3D which uses 3D scanning as a conservation tool. The company strives to make 3D scanning available and affordable to everyone.

    Salamanders

    In this episode, we learn a little bit about Salamanders. Ambystoma Salamanders are dual-gendered salamanders which reproduce by cloning themselves. They are often found in the between Southeast Ohio to Quebec. We also learned that Salamanders often live in dead wood which up until around 200 years ago caused them to be associated with fire because people would see them running out of the fire (because they were in the dead wood) and thought of as magical/evil creatures.

    Working in the National Parks Service

    Working in the Environmental Education Center and on the tourist train at the Cuyahoga National Park, Katie shared her experience working for the National Parks Services. The National Parks Service was less bureaucratic than the Cleveland Metro Parks which she mentioned as having frequent red tape and limited funding. Seasonal jobs are highly common in NPS, which lead to the Land Management Workforce Flexibility Act.

    Each national park is managed by a different president, so there is often a different tone and management of conflict park by park. Some parks are culturally more conservative and seem like more of a “boys club” than others, normally the more remote the park is, the more conservative it is - either by the visitors or by the employees. One specific example is the Grand Canyon, generally, the “harder work” was done by men at the bottom of the Canyon and often when a woman tried to work down there they were hazed by the male workers. Once a new manager was hired, the harassment ceased.

    Other Topics

    We talked briefly about Katie’s research with Snakes and Salamanders. Katie also explained how she started her business about Legacy 3D and why conservation is so important. Towards the end of the podcast, Katie shared a shocking story about some of the inequities she experienced as an LGBTQ+ woman in her work field.

    Follow Katie Burns

    1. Website

    Related Resources

    1. Land Management Workforce Flexibility Act
    2. History of The National Park Service
    3. History of Salamanders


    EP 18: Unearthing the Lives of Enslaved Africans Jun 02, 2020
    Show notes

    Dr. Justin Dunnavant always had a passion for history and it was only after a study abroad trip to a Mayan site in a rainforest in Belize did he discover his love for archaeology. During that trip he realized that a lot of early history books are written from an archaeological perspective but that balck, indigenous, and people of color were not doing the work. And so, he saw it as an opportunity to bring his background and unique experiences to make a contribution to a profession that lacks racial representation.


    Upon his return and learning that less than 1% of archaeologists identify as black, he became determined to open the door for other people of color in the realm of archaeology.This journey led him to co-found the Society of Black Archaeologists.


    Currently, Justin’s research focuses on the environmental implications of the slave trade and slavery. He also conducts amazing underwater archeological research to investigate where slave ships landed, what courses they took and when.


    Ecology and Enslavement

    The natural environment is more entangled in slavery than most realize. Why were roughly 4.8 million Africans taken to the Caribbean and only 389,000 to the United States? Two main reasons, both involving the environment - Plantations were more common in Central America, where desired crops, mainly sugarcane, could be grown. The other reason being the trade winds that blow from Africa to Central America, which carried the slave ships and deposited them in the Caribbean, where they may have been later sold off to other areas.

    During the Transatlantic slave trade, swaths of land were cleared for agricultural production, port cities were established for import and export, and flora and fauna were transplanted across hemispheres in a process known as the Columbian Exchange, causing an immense amount of change to the ecology of the world. Justin and his team of archaeologists are on a mission to uncover the impacts of that change.


    Other Topics

    Our conversation with Justin is a true lesson in history. Covering topics from the history and intracicies of Caribbean slavery, to the importance of integrating diversity in archaeological projects, to the importance of trees, prepare yourself to be much more informed on the background of the transatlantic slave trade after this week’s episode of Breaking Green Ceilings.

    About Dr. Justin Dunnavant:

    Dr. Justin Dunnavant is an Academic Pathways Postdoctoral Fellow at Vanderbilt University’s Spatial Analysis Research Laboratory. He holds a BA in History and Anthropology from Howard University and an MA and Ph.D. from the University of Florida. While his former research interrogated the history and representation of minority groups in southern Ethiopia, his current work in the US Virgin Islands investigates the relationship between ecology and enslavement in the former Danish West Indies. Justin is co-founder and President of the Society of Black Archaeologists, an AAUS Scientific SCUBA Diver, and consults for the Smithsonian’s National Museum of African American History and Culture Slave Wrecks Project.


    Follow Dr. Justin Dunnavant:

    1. Professional Website

    2. Instagram

    Relates Resources:

    1. Caribbean excavation offers intimate look at the lives of enslaved Africans
    2. Watch archaeologists reflect on unearthing the lives of enslaved Africans
    3. These Divers Search For Slave Shipwrecks and Discover Their Ancestors
    4. These black teens are scuba diving to help find sunken slave ships
    5. A Historical Ecology of Slavery in the Danish West Indies
    6. Slave Wrecks Project

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