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    Bobby and Jens

    Cycling’s odd couple is back with an informative, entertaining, and occasionally feisty new podcast. Longtime friends and former teammates Bobby Julich and Jens Voigt shared the agonies and ecstasies of World Tour racing, gaining an unrivaled understanding and appreciation for the sport. Every week, they bring insightful commentary and unique chemistry to conversations with the riders, coaches, and diverse new personalities shaping today’s scene. Tune in for revealing interviews about life at the front—and back—of the peloton, along with behind-the-scenes stories about emerging trends in training, gear, and coaching.

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    PYSO, ep. 63: Julich reflects on mistakes, successes, and helping others Jul 30, 2020
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    In this special episode, co-host Bobby Julich becomes the hot-seat guest as Tejay van Garderen and Gus Morton pepper the Olympic medalist and Tour de France podium finisher about not only his career, but the decisions behind his actions, his regrets, and his most cherished moments. After watching ESPN’s two-part LANCE documentary, van Garderen has questions for Julich about how the sport and society treated riders who doped, citing the depression and drug-related deaths of Marco Pantani and Frank Vandenbroucke. Julich talks about his own involvement in doping, his now-wife’s prescient words about it decades ago, and his decisions to not only opt to race clean years ago, but to come clean to Team Sky years after, knowing that it would cost him his job. Van Garderen and Morton are empathetic but probing in their frank conversation. Van Garderen raced under Julich’s guidance at BMC and still considers him a mentor. The younger American says he regrets racing too cautiously in the past, and seeing success as a zero-sum game, and asks Julich if he feels the same about his career. Julich also talks about his rare moments of zen on the bike, including one special instance during his Olympic time trial ride in Athens that netted him a silver medal. And, at Morton’s prompting, Julich closes the episode by reading two diary entries from his 1998 journal before and during the Tour de France, where he ultimately finished third behind Pantani and Jan Ullrich.


    PYSO, ep. 62: Cam Wurf on using WorldTour racing as training Jul 23, 2020
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    How many athletes can you name that use one sport as cross-training for another? Probably a few, right? But can you name any athletes that participate in the very highest levels of professional competition in one sport as preparation for another sport? That is exactly what Ineos-Grenadier rider Cam Wurf is doing, using WorldTour racing as training for the Ironman world championships, which were recently postponed until February. In this episode of Put Your Socks On, Cam catches up with Bobby and Gus after the hosts catch you up with the final two stages of the Virtual Tour de France on Zwift. Oh, and if you're impressed with Cam's two-for-one professional sports plan, you should also know that he has been to the Olympics — in rowing!


    PYSO, ep. 61: Heart-health expert Mike Lepp on cycling's impacts Jul 16, 2020
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    In 1996, Bobby Julich thought his career was over - as it was just beginning to take off - because of a heart arrhythmia. Instead, George Hincapie introduced him to cardiologist Mike Lepp, he had a heart ablation procedure, and went on to have a very successful career. In the wake of the untimely death of young Belgian rider Niels De Vriendt (VDM), Mike joins Bobby and Gus Morton to talk about various personal instances of how cycling can exacerbate heart issues, and what can be done about it. Mike Lepp is currently the senior athletic advisor to Joe Gibbs Racing in NASCAR, but his involvement in sports physiology and heart health goes back decades to his time as director of a cardiology clinic for many years in the 1980s.


    PYSO, ep. 60: Zwift co-founder and CEO Eric Min Jul 09, 2020
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    Zwift has redefined indoor cycling. What started in 2014 with a 5km virtual track and a handful of users is now a global phenomenon. Just this weekend, for instance, Zwift had nearly 90,000 people sign up to ride one of the company's Virtual Tour de France social rides. On this episode of Put Your Socks On, Bobby and Gus speak with Zwift co-founder and CEO Eric Min about where they company came from, and where it's going. Some of the hurdles are technological: How do you ensure power-measurement accuracy and consistency with riders around the world using different equipment? And some of the hurdles are sociological or psychological: It took six years for the Zwift community to accept the idea of a burrito Power Up that makes them un-draftable for a few seconds. "So we've taken baby steps [in adding game enhancements], but now I think if you took away all the gamification in the game, it would just be boring," Min said. "We even went to ASO to ask professionals, 'do you want these events to have have power ups or not?' They overwhelmingly said yes, we want power ups because why wouldn't you want to have a gift of an arrow power up? You know, ahead of a sprint. It's a freebie."


    PYSO, ep. 59: The Cyclists' Alliance founder Iris Slappendel on creating change Jul 02, 2020
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    After being elected by her racing peers to serve on the athlete's commission for the UCI in 2015, Iris Slappendel quickly realized that there was no overarching structure of support for female riders. So, she created one. The Cyclists' Alliance was founded in 2017 to support female racers during and after their careers. The Cyclists' Alliance is a union funded by donations and subscriptions. Approximately one third of the women's peloton are paying members, Slappendel says. As a veteran former racer, Slappendel talks with PYSO hosts and former racers Bobby Julich and Gus Morton about the discrepancies between women's and men's unions for riders, and how they all interact with the UCI. "It took me 10 years, but I realized there's no one holding teams or anyone accountable for how the riders are treated," Slappendel said of her thought process behind starting The Cyclists' Alliance. "And I think that was the spark that started me thinking about a union or at least having a better representation of the riders and the stakeholders." Slappendel says that while the sport has made strides forward since 2004 when she began racing — "there are more top riders, more riders who are able to live from the sport, more good races" — that the sport still has a long way to go. "It's becoming a professional sport, but it's not there yet," she said. Listen in for a fascinating conversation on the dynamics of life as a female professional rider.


    PYSO, ep. 58: Keeping cool with Trek-Segafredo's Steven de Jongh Jun 25, 2020
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    As racing returns to the real world with the Slovenian national championship, Bobby and Gus cover all the happenings in the Zwift community. Also, Gus's brother Lachlan Morton is an absolute madman! Gus gives his perspective on Lachlan Everesting not once but twice in one week to set the world record. Hear all about these stories and listen to an exclusive interview with director Steven de Jongh of Trek-Segafredo. We talk to Steven about his calm, cool demeanor, and how his recovery from a scary cycling accident has added more perspective to his approach to directing and life. It's time to Put Your Socks On.


    PYSO, ep. 57: Tyler Farrar on his old life as a ProTour sprinter and his new life as a firefighter Jun 18, 2020
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    Which is harder: racing for the win in the grand tours, or working as a firefighter? Listen to former top pro Tyler Farrar, who has done both. This week on Put Your Socks On, coach Bobby Julich is joined by special guest host Christian Vande Velde, who raced with Farrar on Slipstream-Garmin, a team that redefined American racing at the highest levels. Christian and Bobby talk with Tyler about his early career – from racing as a junior and pro domestically to going to Cofidis and then Slipstream – how he dealt with the loss of his close friend and training partner Wouter Weylandt, his recovery from COVID-19 and much more.


    PYSO, ep. 56: Jolanda Neff on competition, overcoming injuries, and YouTubing Jun 11, 2020
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    Road bikes, cyclocross bikes, mountain bikes, and motorbikes — Neff loves riding them all. On this episode, the multi-time world champ talks about the special Swiss cycling programs that helped propel her to the top. Bobby and Gus speak with Neff about overcoming injuries, and her new series JolandaLand on YouTube. After getting stuck in the U.S. for 2.5 months because of travel restrictions, Neff is back in Switzerland now for a national training camp, where eight of the nine riders have world junior titles to their names. How does Switzerland create such successful riders? Part of it, Neff believes, is the unique race formats for young kids that prioritize handling skills and not just pedaling. Like many Olympic-bound athletes, the coronavirus pandemic has changed Neff’s life and timing, but after the Swiss star suffered a terrible crash in December, the extra preparation time is probably a blessing. Neff, a veteran of the Rio Olympics where she placed eighth in the road race and sixth in the cross-country mountain bike race, talks with Bobby, an Olympic medalist himself, about lessons she wants to take into the Tokyo Olympics. Forefront among them, is advocating to have trusted female staff with her. “I need to have the people around me in those days before the Olympics and during the Olympics that I’ve been working with for years,” she says. “In Rio, we did not have one single female person on staff. I get along great with men, that’s no problem. But at the competition, you need a certain balance and especially for me, my physio that I’ve been working with for years, she is a girl. She was not selected to go to the Olympics. So I’ve been working on that very much.” At the coming Olympics, Neff will be unable to race both road and mountain because the two competitions are on the same day. Outside of the Olympics, Neff recently launched a YouTube channel. “I want to show people cycling is social. It’s fun. It’s great. It keeps you fit. I don’t want to show like, ‘ah, it’s so hard to train and everyone who’s at that level has to put in work and has to train hard,'” she says. “For me, what got me into mountain biking and what I want to inspire other people to get into mountain biking is the fun, the social aspect.”


    PYSO #55 REGGIE MILLER Final Jun 04, 2020
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    Basketball Hall of Famer, Olympic gold medalist, and all-around legendary player Reggie Miller is now a huge cyclist. He joins Bobby Julich and Gus Morton to talk about the impact of sports on culture, and the impact of culture on sports, in both broad terms and in this specific moment in time. On this episode of Put Your Socks On, the Hall of Famer encourages us all, especially white people, to "put your ears on" and listen to hard conversations. Miller talks about the positive role sports can play in society, and how the coronavirus has put that on hold in many ways. "I think sports in general and especially the NBA has always had a huge platform in terms of healing. But I think a lot of people are frustrated right now because covid and the coronavirus has stopped everything. So there's no outlet for people," Miller says. "Sports used to be the great equalizer in healing form. You know, after 9/11 it was baseball. You remember George Bush going to Yankee Stadium and throwing out the first ball, you know, 'We won't be defeated.'" Miller, Julich, and Morton talk about the similarities between Michael Jordan and Lance Armstrong, and about how Miller first got into cycling. They talk about Miller's first bikes (a Giant, then a custom Moots, then a Santa Cruz), and Miller's charitable work. Miller also talks about the importance of having uncomfortable conversations. "When you see a murder on TV of George Floyd, and this has been going on forever, and people are frustrated, they're tired, they're hurt," he says. "And you keep telling people to turn the other cheek and do have peaceful protests, and change never comes about. They are tired. So what? You know, we saw Colin Kaepernick taking a knee a peaceful protest to what has been going on, and he gets blackballed from the NFL format. And I see all these images now of police and other people kneeling. It's funny how things have come full circle because the murder of George Floyd and this officer kneeling on him forcibly for over eight minutes, lynching this man on national TV for the world to see and you got Colin Kaepernick has been telling you guys this has been going on forever." "Sports and its brightest stars can help heal the pain hopefully, but it starts from within. People need to start listening and when I say people, white people need to start listening to the pain of black and brown people in this country and in the world because it's been going on way too long," Miller says. "A young man goes out for a jog — for a jog! — and gets murdered for that, you know, we got to stop. Sometimes you've got to take an aggressive approach to create change, they want change, and it starts with people getting out there and getting to the polls and voting. You don't like a prosecutor? You don't like a president? You don't like an attorney general? You don't like a judge, vote them out. Go vote, people, get them out." Miller says people people don't want to have these conversations because they don't want to believe that racism in 2020 exist. "This goes back 400 years. I mean, I don't want to go in a history lesson here because this is a basketball and cycling show. But as long as people are willing to have a conversation and admit that racism is alive and well in America in what can we do black and brown people and white people, how can we help one another, get past this, if they're willing to have that conversation, that's the only way the healing is going to start," Miller says. "But if you're going to sit in your nice house, and turn the channel and think if we're not going to go anywhere, is nothing, no change will ever evolve from that. So if you're willing to listen, and open up and say, 'You know what, you're right.' God gave us two ears, and one mouth. Listen, put your listening ears on." And with that, give this episode of Put Your Socks on a listen.


    PYSO, ep. 54: Tejay van Garderen on risk assessment and not taking the joy of racing for granted May 28, 2020
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    American Tejay van Garderen, twice a fifth place finisher overall and winner of the white jersey at the Tour de France, wishes he had taken more time to appreciate the good times during his career. Whether it was winning the Tour of California, or just having fun rooming with riders like George Hincapie or Taylor Phinney, van Garderen says he took a lot of things for granted. “I wish I would have savored the moment a little bit more and appreciated it,” he said. “ I always just thought, ‘Okay, I'm here now and I'm gonna go there and that's a stepping stone. That's kind of the story of cycling in a nutshell. You never stop to just say, ‘Hey, what I did was pretty cool.’ I wish I had done that a little bit more.” Van Garderen talks at length on this episode of Put Your Socks On about trying to keep perspective heading into the strange 2020 season. In 2016, van Garderen skipped the Olympics because of another virus. At the time, his wife Jessica was six months pregnant, and he didn’t want to risk contracting the Zika virus. Van Garderen also talks about the people who helped get him to where he is today, including a framebuilder in Bozeman, Montana: Carl Strong. “Without him I wouldn't have been a bike racer,” van Garderen said. “I just I wouldn't been wouldn't have been able to afford it.” Listen now to Put Your Socks On.


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