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Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Analyst for E-Commerce Poonam Goyal discusses Amazon posting robust sales and profit growth as they indicated that its cloud unit is regaining momentum. Terrence Yang, Managing Director at Swan Bitcoin, shares his thoughts on Sam Bankman-Fried testifying at FTX fraud trial. Bloomberg Businessweek Editor Joel Weber and Bloomberg News Social Media Reporter Aisha Counts provide the details Aisha's Businessweek story Elon Musk’s Year of Owning X Made a Mess of Twitter’s Business. And we Drive to the Close with Eric Clark, Portfolio Manager at Rational Dynamic Brands Fund. Hosts: Carol Massar and Tim Stenovec. Producer: Paul Brennan. FULL TRANSCRIPT: This is Bloomberg Business Wait inside from the reporters and editors who bring you America's most trusted business magazine, plus gloom O Business Finance and tech news the Bloomberg Business Week Podcast with Carol Messer and Tim Stenebek from Bloomberg Radio. Just all right, folks, were staying with the markets, and actually really two particular names, because as we just talked about, we've got stocks near their lows, some nervousness, the S and P ten percent down from its peak in July. But if you look at something like an Amazon, which makes up about five and a half percent of the Nasdaq one hundred, nearly three point four percent of the S and P five hundred earlier, helping send stocks hire in the session, you've got Amazon really rallying in a big way and holding on to tim most of its gains today yep, seven percent as we speak, help sending stocks overall higher at least earlier. In this from Carol, although the broader market has slipped since then. Intel is also higher on the day today. The company in the midst of attempted to turn around, in which the CEO Pat Gelsinger commented on saying the chipmaker is quote clearly coming back. We're gonna spend this time right now taking a look at both of these two very closely washed companies in the tech world. Let's start with Amazon. Let's do that and with us right now is Punam Goyle. She is Bloomberg Intelligence Senior analyst for e commerce at Leisure, off Price Retail on Zoom from New Jersey. Punham, I'm so glad we have you here. As we always do when we want to talk to Amazon, you focus on the retail side of this company, but to be fair, you look at it holistically. What was the impressive or what impressed you about the earnings and the color on the business when it comes to Amazon. Yes, thanks Carol. So there were really two things. You know, Amazon has two really big businesses. One is the cloud business and one is the retail business. And let's start with the retail business. I think the retail business it particularly well built. On the one PE and three P side. Sales are much stronger than expect did and that's a really good sign going into holidays, because we know that the consumers are clearly stretched for their dollars, but they're finding value in Amazon. Amazon's able to push this value again to them through crime days and deal days that they'll have I think throughout the Christmas season with Black Friday, Cyber Monday, etc. So we think that's good going into holiday. And then on the AWUS side, the fact that they were more optimistic than their peers on the cloud business thing strength with stabilization was really encouraging to hear on the call, and we are very positive on the cloud business longer term. The margins there thirty percent plus were obviously nice to see too, and we do think that cloud business in the longer term with scale will be over forty percent. So put them Why did sales for AWS just missed expectations? And I was a little confused by this move yesterday I said it on air. I thought AWS was kind of everything, and that's you know what either it beat or missed was what moved the company's stock. Why are you optimistic and why are investors still pushing shares higher even if there was that miss on APUs? I mean, I guess it depends on how you look at this, right, So twelve percent versus the twelve point four percent estimate, in my eyes, isn't really a bigness it was in line with what they did last quarter, meaning the second quarter. So the twelve percent gains relative to what we heard at both Google and Microsoft wasn't that bad. And I think really the icing on the cake here is on the call when Andy Jazzy came on and he spoke about how that they're seeing stabilization from those trends even into the fourth quarter. I think that was just really encouraging. We all know that spending will pick up in a matter of time. Businesses have to move towards integrating more cloud into their network as well as they need to spend more on AI. So Amazon is very well positioned for AWS growth in the longer turn. And the fact that they are stabilizing was good news to us and I think that's how the market received it too. Can you make the Amazon Ai connection here? I think a lot of people might not be familiar with why you know boush and AI will help AWS. Yeah, so boost and AI helps not only a WS, but it also helps the retail text business. So when you think about what AI does, it basically helps build the models and interpret data and models for businesses. So the fact that AWI can lean on new AI technologies and embed that into its infrastructure. It's going to help companies use that and leverage that in their own businesses. The retails side, oh keep going, no, no, no, keep going, keep going. On the retail side, you know, AI has been doing phenomenal things, especially generative AI, where it's helping you predict demand, it's helping you streamline inventory, and it's helping you personalize, which is describing conversion higher and industry that typically, especially online, it's very low conversion rates. So does it make sense that I always think about, you know, when we first learned about AWS and they start breaking it out right because of all the streaming that was going on, and you're like, I don't really care who supplies the content. We're just making sure we have the pipe to get it to you basically, right, And that's what AWS was just so involved in the early days. Is that kind of akin to with AI that people are going to need the infrastructure, the backbone, and are they going to be involved in that part. So it's software, right, So AI basically it's software that's powered through AWUS and that they're integrating and embedding into the cloud platform. So as businesses need to become more agile and move on to the cloud. AI can only be done on the cloud, so you need that, you need that support. And for businesses that don't have it, which money don't, they will need to either tap into Amazon, Awus or Google or Microsoft in one of them. But keep in mind Amazon is the largest cloud rider of the thirty. All right, good stuff, as always, so appreciated, Have a great week and put them Goil Bloomberg Intelligence, Senior analyst for e Commerce at leisure and off price Retail on zoom from New Jersey. You're listening to the Bloomberg Business Week podcast. Catch us live weekday afternoons from three to six Eastern Listen on Bloomberg dot com, the iHeartRadio app, and the Bloomberg Business App, or watch us live on YouTube. Well going on in the world of crypto this week Sam Bakman freed testifying at his own fraud trial. He says a lot of people got hurt over FTX, so that he's not entirely sure about the FTX. Alameda Fund flows. Alameda, of course, is the hedge fund, and then there's also the actual crypto market. Carol Bitcoin enjoying a solid week up roughly twelve percent, and you know you got you got to kind of throw that number out there with six two thousand one. Oops, that was Yeah, that was the past. You gotta throw that number out there with the understanding that it trades twenty four to seven. So if you say that number and you know you gotta, you ought to always be looking at it. It's all happening amid hopes of fresh demand from the possible approval in coming weeks of the first US ETF investing directly in bitcoin. Gotta tell you, we got a live blog that's tracking the testimony and what's going on in the courthouse today. Let's get to it though. We've got our weekly check on the world of crypto. We have with us Terrence Yang, managing director of Fintech, Law, Tech Privacy at Swan Bitcoin. It's a platform that allows people to buy bitcoin, including in iras, and he is joining us on Zoom from Los Angeles, California. Terran's nice to have you here with us. I feel like the world of crypto is focused and maybe rightfully so, on what's going on with SBF and FTX. What about the trial and the testimony are you watching very closely? And maybe what it means potentially for the crypto world going forward. I am watching closely. Great to see again, Carol. Bottom line, I think a couple of things. Defense finally present their case. When they do the cross examinations right, it's usually to create doubt about the credibility of the prosecution witnesses. It is not to present their case. And now they're doing that. I think Sam got very lucky and the defense countcil got very lucky to have sort of this mock trial profit yesterday with a judge, and now Sam seems to be doing a better job. He has a tendency to me under, but he's getting the point across. Do you know him, Terrence, You're you're kind of you're talking to You're using his first name and whereas a lot of people you know use his initials. Do you know Sam Bankman freed? No? No, I do not. But how are you following the trial? I follow through X They have a lot of goods, good information, but also at Bloomberg dot com and some other sites. I agree about Bloomberg dot com. There's some great stuff there. Our lifelog is really really good. Now I'm just curious because it's you know, we we're not getting We have to rely on you know, reporting from there, whereas in so many other instances we can actually watch live feeds from what's going on in the courtroom, and you know, we rely on court sketches and impressions Carol from our reporters who are there. So it's you know, it's a different experience I think for people who are observing you don't you know, you don't necessarily see the way he's feeling, at least according to our own interpretations. So talk more about about what you're seeing and what you're reading from the trial. Terrence. Yeah, sure, So based on what I'm reading and seeing, the defense is presenting a case since presenting the case that Caroline is basically the one to plane did not hedge he had doubts about her abilities right, and its thinking of shutting down Alameda and other things. So you just need really one juror to get a hung jury. One jur who thinks there's reasonable doubt does not cave. So someone who's a little bit strong minded, because it would be eleven to one. But that can happen, and then on retrial, what might happen with the black rock and fidelity ATF's happening. Arguably, we're in a bull market FTX with John Ray, who's excellent in my opinion, at this sort of thing, clawing back assets, maybe doing a turnaround and so forth. You could have a situation where maybe people don't care as much because, for example, the investment anthropic and other things mean that everybody gets paid, or at least the FTX investors get paid whole kind of cents on the dollar that's possible by the time they retry, and so that might be how he gets off. See it as kind of a two step process, just because there's so much evidence against him. Terrence. What's productive though for the crypto industry here in terms of the outcome of this trial specifically, so I part ways with my crypto friends, some of them are friends with in real life even today, but I am bitcoin only and I think that there needs to be and there will be massive cleanup in crypto. You see that with Senator Lummis and others kind of asking the government to the DOJ to the side kind of get off the block or not and just issue indictments or make a decision on CZ and finance. But also tether I think Tether's okay, but I don't want to get into that. I think the main point is we have massive tailwinds for bitcoin because of Blackrock, Fidelity and two other trillion dollar plus asset managers all applying for a spotpitcoin ETF and that looks like it's going well. On the other hand, you have crypto which has destroyed many Americans, especially poor and middle class, of their life savings through these pump and dumps, these digital penny stops, that these casinos are basically underregulated, casinos are basically shilling on the American public, and that does not looks so good. I think that's less promising because of all the securities violations and allegedly crimes against committed by SBF potentially as cz in Binance will see a fee. Actually, are you worried about the implications of people changing the way they're thinking about crypto because of SBF and other people who are in the crosshairs of law enforcement Terance that people are saying, Okay, I'm just gonna throw in the towel, because well, look look at the performance and two sure and two look at the people who we thought were reputable. I mean, they named stadiums and had Super Bowl ads. I am not. The reason is because I'm a long term believer in bitcoin. I think five to ten decades out bitcoin should be very valuable. There are other threats to it, with Finsen and other things that the government's doing that's not good. It's under reported for now. I'm sure Bloomberg will fix that and others. But bottom line, I'm not worried because look, there's been a mess, was a massive bubble in twenty twenty one and crypto and bitcoin and the fallout from the bear market and the destruction, and there needs to be a cleanup. I think it's really naive to think that, you know, this is bad for bitcoin, because bitcoin has enduring values and it doesn't have a CEO. It's not a security Hey, terms, forgive me for jumping in. We've just got a couple of minutes left here. But I'm thinking, you know, there might be people listening or watching are broadcast right now listening to you and say, yeah, I get it that there needs to be a cleaning out. That makes sense, right. We certainly saw that in the Internet, you know, in dot com bust, right, there were some things that really made sense and there are a lot of things that didn't. Having said that, you know, you're at SWAN Bitcoin and you're of course going to say bitcoin is the one to follow, and that has legs here. So what would you say to somebody like that that you're basically forgive me, for lack of better words, talking your book. No, no, I am talking my book. I think you do want people to talk their book and reveal it and explain it. I used to be in crypto. I was retired when Corey Klipston, our wonderful founder and CEO, pulled me like made a job offer to come out of retirement. So a lot of time, you're two younger. I was paid on Wall Street. I'm older than I look, and I was overpaid on Wall Street. And I was living frugally taking care of my aging parents. But anyway, so bottom line, I would say at SWON, we have people on a mission to help other people get bitcoin before Wall Street and government supply on the bitcoin. If we're right, and I think we are, that this is the ultimate hard money asset for the future because it's digital, it's bare, it's very hard to stop, very hard to confiscate and take away and incredibly finite at only twenty one million bitcoin. So in my view, it's okay to be hav…
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