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Bitcoin, Stablecoins and America's Debt Endgame w/ Avik Roy | Bitcoin Politics Ep. 1 Jul 19, 2025

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Avik Roy joins Bitcoin Magazine Political Correspondent Frank Corva for a discussion on the passage of the GENIUS Act, the future of Bitcoin in Washington as well as the macroeconomic picture when it comes to U.S. Treasury issuance, stablecoins, and why he believes bitcoin may become the focal asset in years to come.He breaks down the implications of various U.S. debt default scenarios, programmable currency surveillance, and the central tension between free markets and central planning in the digital age.Avik is the Founder & CEO of the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity (FREOPP) and is also the President & CEO of the National Institute for Health Care Management. He is also a Senior Advisor at the Bitcoin Policy Institute and an incoming Board Member at STRIVE Asset Management.🔶 Connect with Avik on X: https://x.com/Avik🔶 Connect with Frank on X: https://x.com/frankcorva🔶 Learn more about FREOPP: https://freopp.org/📰👉 Download Avik's White Paper "Three Scenarios of How a U.S. Fiscal Crisis Could Harm Ordinary Americans": https://freopp.org/whitepapers/three-scenarios-fiscal-crisis-bitcoin/Chapters:00:00 – The US Debt Crisis Explained00:24 – Intro to Bitcoin Politics Show ft. Avik Roy 01:49 – Genius Act & Bitcoin's Maturing Political Strategy 04:36 – Stablecoins, CBDCs & Bitcoin’s Survival Strategy 06:45 – The Genius Act & Surveillance09:05 – Hidden Threats in Crypto Bills14:07 – Can Stablecoins Delay the Dollar's Collapse? 16:32 – How Bad Is the Debt Crisis? The Math Is Worse Than You Think 20:59 – Can AI-Driven Growth Save the US Economy? 24:57 – The 'BitBond' Fix: Default + Bitcoin-Backed Treasuries? 26:36 – De Minimis Bill: A Game-Changer for Bitcoin Payments? 30:56 – Why Bitcoin as a Store of Value Still Wins 32:04 – Africa’s Bitcoin Leapfrog: Lightning in Action 35:31 – Palsy vs. Munificent: 3 Scenarios for Bitcoin’s Future 38:00 – The Political Risk of Unequal Bitcoin Wealth 41:00 – Mass Adoption, ETFs & Bitcoin Treasury Companies 43:40 – Can the Bitcoin Act Actually Pass? 46:20 – BitBonds & Strategic Accumulation for the US Treasury 51:36 – Bitcoin Treasury Companies & Market Evolution 54:01 – Avik Roy’s Closing Thoughts🌏 Join us at Bitcoin Asia 2025, August 28-29 in Hong Kong! 🟧Get your tickets today: https://asia.b.tc/🔶 Subscribe to the Bitcoin Magazine Daily Newsletter 👉 https://bm.b.tc/YT-Newsletter#BitcoinPolicy #AvikRoy #GENIUSAct #USDebtCrisis #StablecoinRegulation #DigitalDollar #CBDCVsBitcoin #CryptoPolitics #BitBonds #BitcoinMagazine #Macroeconomics #Markets #Investing DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.

Crypto Week, CBDC Drama, $120k BTC: Institutional Adoption Tailwinds | Bitcoin Policy Hour Ep. 12 Jul 17, 2025

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In this episode of the Bitcoin Policy Hour, the Bitcoin Policy Institute's Zack Cohen and Zack Shapiro are joined by special guest David Zell, (BPI Co-founder) to break down Crypto Week in DC, including the Genius Act, anti-CBDC legislation, and the Clarity Act.The team analyzes the recent surge in Bitcoin price action, the growing role of institutional capital, and how partisan politics are shaping the current outlook for digital asset policy in the United States. They also dive into the Roman Storm/Tornado Cash trial and the legal threat to open-source development represented therein. (Recorded 7/15/2025)Chapters:00:00 - Intro + Market Moves Breakdown 02:30 - Institutional vs. Retail: Who’s Buying Bitcoin Now? 06:00 - Policy Shift: Why Institutions Are Finally Allocating 12:00 - Crypto Week in DC: Bills and Political Maneuvering 17:00 - Bitcoin vs. Crypto: Political Spending and Influence 21:00 - Genius Act + Stablecoin Politics 34:00 - CBDCs vs. Stablecoins: Privacy, Control, and the Future of Money 43:00 - Tornado Cash Case and Open Source Legal Risk🔶 Connect with David Zell on X: https://x.com/DavidZell_🔶 Connect with Zack Shapiro on X: https://x.com/zackbshapiro🔶 Connect with Zack Cohen on X: https://x.com/zackcohen_🔶 Learn more about the Bitcoin Policy Institute: https://www.btcpolicy.org/⭐ Join us at Bitcoin Asia 2025, Aug. 28-29 in Hong Kong! Get your tickets at: https://asia.b.tc/ today! #CryptoWeekDC #BitcoinPolicy #CryptoLegislation #InstitutionalBitcoin #Stablecoins #CBDCs #BitcoinRegulation #RomanStorm #OpenSourceDefense #CryptoWeekDC #BTCMarkets

Elon's America Party Bitcoin Embrace, 80K BTC "Hack" a Quantum Canary? | Bitcoin Policy Hour Ep. 11 Jul 12, 2025

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Elon Musk’s newly-stated alignment with the so-called “America Party” might mark a turning point in Bitcoin politics—but could it also polarize Trump against BTC? In this episode of Bitcoin Policy Hour, BPI’s Matthew Pines, Zack Shapiro, and Zack Cohen unpack the political chessboard as Elon steps closer to Bitcoin.Meanwhile, the mysterious movement of 80,000 BTC from early wallets sparks intense speculation. Was it a white-hat rescue, a legal gray zone grab, or a quantum canary in the coal mine warning of cryptographic vulnerability? The crew dives into dormant keys, legal ownership vs possession, and the deeper geopolitical and regulatory implications for Bitcoin's future.From space, to courts, to Congress—Bitcoin is now entangled in everything.⭐ Join us at Bitcoin Asia 2025, Aug. 28-29 in Hong Kong! Get your tickets at: https://asia.b.tc/ today! 🔶 Connect with Matthew Pines on X: https://x.com/matthew_pines🔶 Connect with Zack Shapiro on X: https://x.com/zackbshapiro🔶 Connect with Zack Cohen on X: https://x.com/zackcohen_🔶 Learn more about the Bitcoin Policy Institute: https://www.btcpolicy.org/Chapters:00:00 – Elon’s Political Power & Bitcoin Alignment01:04 – Mysterious 80,000 BTC Movement: Quantum or OG?06:00 – Legal Ownership vs Possession of Bitcoin13:00 – Adverse Possession, White Hat vs Black Hat19:00 – National Security Risks if North Korea Brute-Forces Bitcoin22:00 – Elon, Trump, and the Politicization of Bitcoin26:40 – Why the “Bitcoin Unifier” Narrative Still Struggles in DC30:00 – Sidelines in Legislation: Crypto vs Bitcoin in Congress33:00 – The Van Hollen Bill: Bitcoin Punishment via El Salvador35:00 – Bitcoin as Anti-Authoritarian Tech vs State Control38:00 – Stablecoins, Tether, and U.S. Digital Dollar Statecraft42:00 – Geopolitical Stakes in Monetary Technology Wars#BitcoinPolicy #ElonMuskBitcoin #QuantumComputing #BitcoinOwnership #CryptoLaw #BTCRegulation #BitcoinGeopolitics #RomanStormTrial #BitcoinLegislation #BitcoinAndPolitics #BitcoinPolicyHour #BitcoinPolicyInstitute #BitcoinMagazine

How to Value a Bitcoin Treasury Company w/ MSTR CEO Phong Le | Bitcoin for Corporations Ep. 8 Jul 10, 2025

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How do you value a Bitcoin-native corporation? In this exclusive episode of Bitcoin for Corporations, MicroStrategy CEO Phong Le explains how Bitcoin transforms corporate finance—and why MSTR is more than just a software company.Phong breaks down the strategic evolution of MicroStrategy into a Bitcoin treasury leader, the rise of Bitcoin-backed capital markets, and how to understand NAV multiples for Bitcoin equities. He also details how preferred securities like STRF are opening Bitcoin access to institutions and retirees alike. This is the definitive guide to Bitcoin balance sheet strategy, capital structuring, and corporate valuation in the age of digital hard money.⭐ This episode of the Bitcoin for Corporations Show is sponsored by Ledn, a leading provider of Bitcoin-backed loans.👉 Visit their website at https://www.ledn.io/ to learn more!00:00 – Intro: How to Value a Bitcoin Treasury Company01:28 – Phong Le on MicroStrategy’s Bitcoin Thesis04:45 – Why MSTR Isn’t Just a Tech Stock Anymore08:12 – The Role of FASB Accounting in Bitcoin Adoption11:39 – Capital Markets: Equity, Debt & Bitcoin15:20 – Convertible Bonds & Leveraged Bitcoin Exposure19:05 – What Investors Miss When Valuing MSTR23:34 – How Institutions View Bitcoin on the Balance Sheet27:48 – Risks, Volatility, and Shareholder Expectations32:15 – Bitcoin’s Role in Long-Term Corporate Strategy36:20 – Advice for Other Bitcoin Treasury Companies39:12 – Building a Bitcoin-Backed Capital Market43:10 – Addressing Bitcoin Volatility in Financial Products46:00 – Why STRF Is Gaining Market Traction48:30 – Final Thoughts from Phong Le🔶 Learn more about Bitcoin for Corporations and join our Network: https://b.tc/corporations🔶 Connect with Phong Le on X: https://x.com/digitalphong🔶 Connect with Pierre Rochard on X: https://x.com/BitcoinPierreDISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, Bitcoin for Corporations, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.#BitcoinTreasury #PhongLe #MicroStrategy #BitcoinEquities #MSTRStock #BitcoinPreferredShares #BitcoinCapitalMarkets #BitcoinForCorporations #BitcoinAccounting #DigitalAssets

Jesse Myers: BTC Treasury Companies Will Dominate Every Capital Market | Bitcoin for Corporations Ep. 7 Jul 08, 2025

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Why are corporations turning to Bitcoin as a strategic asset—and how will Bitcoin treasury companies reshape the financial system over the next 20 years?

In episode 7 of the Bitcoin for Corporations, host Pierre Rochard sits down with Jesse Myers, Bitcoin Strategy Advisor at UTXO Management (a sister company of Bitcoin Magazine), to break down the emerging playbook behind Bitcoin treasury companies like MicroStrategy, MetaPlanet, and Smarter Web. From intelligent leverage to the rise of perpetual preferreds, Jesse shares why these firms may soon rival sovereigns in BTC holdings—and why institutional capital is now pouring in.

Whether you're a corporate CFO, a macro investor, or a Bitcoiner curious about the next big shift in capital markets, this deep-dive unpacks how Bitcoin-native financial infrastructure is being built in real time.

⭐ This episode of the Bitcoin for Corporations Show is sponsored by Ledn, a leading provider of Bitcoin-backed loans.

👉 Visit their website at https://www.ledn.io/ to learn more!

Chapters:

0:00 - The Bitcoin treasury company model

1:20 - Jesse Myers' Bitcoin origin story

4:30 - Keynesian education vs. Bitcoin adoption

9:00 - Why institutions were late to Bitcoin

12:00 - What separates MicroStrategy and MetaPlanet

16:00 - Corporate adoption tipping point

20:30 - Why Bitcoin is better than bonds

24:00 - Equity issuance vs. leverage

27:00 - Fair value accounting and balance sheet strength

30:00 - Why premium NAVs make sense

35:00 - The endgame: perpetual preferreds

38:00 - Competing with MicroStrategy

42:00 - Capital markets tools only accessible to corporations

45:00 - Global race for Bitcoin treasury dominance

48:00 - The future of Bitcoin-native financial infrastructure

🔶 Learn more about Bitcoin for Corporations and join our Network: https://b.tc/corporations

🔶 Connect with Jesse Myers on X: https://x.com/Croesus_BTC

🔶 Connect with Pierre Rochard on X: https://x.com/BitcoinPierre

DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, Bitcoin for Corporations, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.

"Running It Hot": The Big Beautiful Bill Debt Playbook Explained | Bitcoin Policy Hour Ep. 10 Jul 04, 2025

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The U.S. government is running it hot — and Bitcoin may be the only exit.In episode 10 of the Bitcoin Policy Hour, the Bitcoin Policy Institute team — Executive Director Matthew Pines, Head of Policy Zack Shapiro, and Associate Zack Cohen — break down what just happened with the Big Beautiful Bill and why it matters for Bitcoin, inflation, and America’s fiscal future.They dive into the last-minute push to pass pro-Bitcoin tax reform (including the de minimis exemption and mining tax fixes), explain why it failed, and assess the rising importance of the Blockchain Regulatory Certainty Act (BRCA) as the next key battleground.The episode also explores deep tensions within the Republican coalition, how Bitcoin fits into U.S. national security priorities, and what the growing demand for stablecoins reveals about where the monetary system is headed.🔶 Connect with Matthew Pines on X: https://x.com/matthew_pines🔶 Connect with Zack Shapiro on X: https://x.com/zackbshapiro🔶 Connect with Zack Cohen on X: https://x.com/zackcohen_🔶 Learn more about the Bitcoin Policy Institute: https://www.btcpolicy.org/Chapters:00:00 – The U.S. Is Running It Hot: Fiscal Dominance Explained01:00 – Behind the Scenes at the Bitcoin Policy Summit05:00 – Strategic Bitcoin Reserve & Leaked “Accumulation Plan”08:00 – Why the Big Beautiful Bill Matters for Bitcoin12:30 – What Killed the De Minimis Tax Fix?17:00 – Mining Tax Reform & Wash Sale Loopholes21:00 – Why the Crypto Lobby Failed in DC26:00 – GOP Factions, Elon vs. Trump, and Bitcoin’s Role31:30 – The Real Bitcoin Priorities: BRCA and Privacy36:00 – What’s Next: Senate Market Structure Bill & Regulatory Outlook41:00 – Final Thoughts: Bitcoin, Inflation & the Next Political Chapter#BitcoinPolicyHour #BigBeautifulBill #FiscalDominance #BitcoinMagazine #BitcoinLegislation #CryptoTax #DeMinimis #BRCA #BitcoinRegulation #FiscalDominance #DigitalAssets #BitcoinSummit #Stablecoins #BitcoinAndCongress #BitcoinMining #CryptoLobby #BitcoinReserve #SatoshiVision #BitcoinBackstage #BitcoinNews #MatthewPines #ZackShapiro

TRACE MAYER: The New Monetary Order and the Fall of Fiat | Bitcoin Backstage Jul 04, 2025

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In this explosive episode of Bitcoin Backstage, Trace Mayer—early Bitcoin investor, creator of Proof of Keys, and one of the earliest Bitcoin bloggers—returns to the spotlight to dissect the past, present, and future of Bitcoin. Interviewed live at the Bitcoin Conference by Isabella Santos, Mayer drops hard truths about central banking, strategic reserves, proof of keys, and the global monetary shift already underway.From dissecting the fractional reserve system to revealing what really happened during the Blocksize Wars, Mayer also explains why Bitcoin is outperforming gold, how the U.S. might use BTC as a reserve asset, and what’s holding back its evolution as a medium of exchange. This is Bitcoin history, macro insight, and monetary rebellion all in one.💥 SNAG $10 IN BITCOIN WHEN YOU JOIN FOLD WITH BITCOIN MAGAZINE AND MAKE YOUR FIRST PURCHASE WITH THE FOLD CARD, BUY BITCOIN, OR BUY A GIFT CARD 💥👉 https://foldapp.com/bitcoinmagazine💥 DON’T SELL YOUR BITCOIN — BORROW AGAINST IT WITH SALT LENDING 💥👉 https://bm.b.tc/YT-SALT-LendingConnect with Isabella Santos on X: https://x.com/isabellasg3Connect with Trace Mayer on X: https://x.com/TraceMayerChapters:00:00 - Intro: Proof of Keys & Bank Run Origin Story01:30 - Bitcoin's Rise Since the $1 Era03:10 - Bitcoin as Financial Nuclear Reactor04:30 - Gold Market Manipulation & Central Bank Shenanigans06:00 - China's Secret Gold Strategy07:00 - Gold vs. Bitcoin: Global Monetary Contenders12:30 - The Blocksize Wars: Explained from the Inside15:00 - How Roger Ver and Greg Maxwell Clashed17:30 - Trace on Governance, Tribalism & Testing Innovation25:00 - U.S. Custodying BTC: Armory & The Marshals Story28:00 - Bitcoin's Role in a New Monetary Order29:30 - Hard Take: Innovation vs. Ossification30:30 - Closing Thoughts with Trace Mayer#BitcoinBackstage #TraceMayer #ProofOfKeys #BitcoinReserve #MonetaryPolicy #GoldVsBitcoin #BitcoinConference2025 #BitcoinTreasury #DigitalGold #BitcoinNetworkEffects #IsabellaSantos #BTCInnovation #CryptoRegulation #BitcoinGovernance

$2 Trillion to $10 Trillion: How BTC Will Re-Architect Political Power | Bitcoin Policy Hour Ep. 9 Jul 03, 2025

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What happens when Bitcoin grows from $2 trillion to $10 trillion? In this special edition of Bitcoin Policy Hour recorded in Washington, DC, BPI Exec. Director Matthew Pines and Head of Policy Zack Shapiro break down how Bitcoin's exponential monetization is forcing a re-architecture of political and economic power in real time.They dive into:- Why policymakers are finally paying attention to Bitcoin- How AI, quantum computing, and global instability intersect with BTC policy- What a $10T Bitcoin means for U.S. national security and global influence- The legislative battlefield ahead (Clarity Act, market structure bills, non-custodial dev protections)- How BPI is building the next generation of Bitcoin policy leaders in D.C.Chapters:00:00 - Intro: From the Bitcoin Policy Summit in DC04:00 - Why Bitcoin touches every policy domain06:00 - National security and dual-use tech with Patrick Witt09:00 - Government’s evolving view on Bitcoin10:30 - Balancing privacy, surveillance & freedom12:00 - Private intel conversations on Bitcoin geopolitics15:45 - What’s next for BPI in 202516:50 - Stablecoins, Clarity Act, and legislative strategy18:30 - Strategic outlook: quantum, AI & China22:00 - Lightning, AGI, and machine-to-machine payments25:20 - Preparing for a $5–10T Bitcoin market28:00 - Bitcoin’s monetization: who leads and why it matters🔶 Connect with Matthew Pines on X: https://x.com/matthew_pines🔶 Connect with Zack Shapiro on X: https://x.com/zackbshapiro🔶 Learn more about the Bitcoin Policy Institute: https://x.com/btcpolicyorg#BitcoinPolicy #BitcoinMonetization #BTC10Trillion #CryptoRegulation #NationalSecurity #DigitalAssets #QuantumBitcoin #BitcoinAndAI #BitcoinFuture #ClarityAct #BitcoinStrategy #WashingtonDC #BitcoinPolicyHour #BPI #BitcoinPolicyInstitute

MAX KEISER: $850K In Play - It's Time to UNF**K The Money | Bitcoin Backstage Jul 02, 2025

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Bitcoin iconoclast and prophet Max Keiser joins Isabella Santos at Bitcoin 2025 to discuss his mission to spread Bitcoin nationhood across Latin America—starting with El Salvador and now Panama.He breaks down the dual strategy of top-down political coordination and bottom-up grassroots revolution, and outlines the game theory that compels sovereigns to adopt Bitcoin. Keiser warns of a looming corporate credit bubble in Bitcoin treasury strategy and explains why Japan’s 10-year bond yield is the domino to watch. He ends with a fiery call to embrace Bitcoin as a spiritual force to unfuck money—literally our “last chance.”💥SNAG $10 IN BITCOIN WHEN YOU JOIN FOLD WITH BITCOIN MAGAZINE AND MAKE YOUR FIRST PURCHASE WITH THE FOLD CARD, BUY BITCOIN, OR BUY A GIFT CARD 💥👉https://foldapp.com/bitcoinmagazineChapters:00:00 - El Salvador to Panama03:00 - The Game Theory of Bitcoin Adoption06:00 - The Corporate Treasury Risk08:00 - Bitcoin and Debt Blowup12:00 - Bond Market Collapse Path14:00 - $850K Bitcoin Thesis15:30 - Decentralization vs. Corporate Control19:00 - Fear vs. Love20:00 - The Bitcoin Singularity22:00 - Bitcoin’s Final Boss: Fear23:00 - God, Bitcoin & Humanity#BitcoinNation #MaxKeiser #Bitcoin2025 #PanamaBitcoin #ElSalvadorBitcoin #BitcoinGameTheory #BitcoinTreasury #GlobalReset #BitcoinSpirituality #BitcoinInvestment #BitcoinBackstage #IsabellaSantos

Alex Thorn: The "Great Filter" Coming for BTC Treasury Companies | Bitcoin for Corporations Ep. 6 Jul 01, 2025

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In episode 6 of the Bitcoin for Corporations Show, Pierre Rochard sits down with Alex Thorn, Head of Research at Galaxy Digital, for a wide-ranging and high-signal discussion on the emerging wave of Bitcoin treasury strategy companies.Thorn breaks down the mechanics of Strategy's (formerly MicroStrategy) success, the role of financial engineering, and how Michael Saylor created a model that's difficult—if not impossible—for others to replicate. He introduces the concept of a "great filter" facing the next generation of Bitcoin-focused public companies: only a few will pass through it.⭐ This episode of the Bitcoin for Corporations Show is sponsored by Ledn, a leading provider of Bitcoin-backed loans.👉 Visit their website at https://www.ledn.io/ to learn more!Chapters:00:00 – Pierre Rochard & Alex Thorn at the BPI Summit01:45 – From MicroStrategy to MetaPlanet: Bitcoin treasury strategies emerge04:10 – Shareholder value, buybacks, and Bitcoin: shifting capital allocation06:00 – Why miners are becoming treasury companies09:00 – Financial engineering behind Sailor’s success11:00 – Can others replicate MicroStrategy’s playbook?12:30 – The coming saturation of corporate Bitcoin strategies14:00 – Why Bitcoin is unlike any commodity15:30 – IPO window and reverse mergers for crypto firms16:15 – Where we are in the 2025 Bitcoin market cycle17:30 – Why long-term holders are anchoring this cycle21:15 – Final thoughts: retail is still sleeping on Bitcoin🔶 Learn more about Bitcoin for Corporations and join our Network: https://b.tc/corporations🔶 Connect with Alex Thorn on X: https://x.com/intangiblecoins🔶 Connect with Pierre Rochard on X: https://x.com/BitcoinPierre#Bitcoin #AlexThorn #BitcoinforCorporations #Markets #Investing #PierreRochard #Saylor #BitcoinTreasury #MicroStrategy #btcetf #GalaxyDigital #MSTR #CryptoFinance #corporatebitcoin DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, Bitcoin for Corporations, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.

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