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If you want to know how to save money, just look at your expenses. Odds are, if you’re like most people, you aren't budgeting or tracking your expenses to a tee. But there’s no need to be so hard on yourself, even our money mages themselves, Scott Trench and Mindy Jensen don’t always write down every cent spent. That being said, if you’re planning for a big trip, different expenses, or a sudden life change (like leaving your job), there is no better time than NOW to start tracking your expenses. Today’s guest, TJ, knows this all too well.
TJ makes a phenomenal income and already has a multi-million dollar net worth. But, he still suffers from money anxiety and not knowing how much he’ll need to step away from full-time work. Not only that, TJ is planning to take his children on a two-year-long expedition around the globe, all while TJ and his wife aren’t bringing in their regular high incomes.
But he isn’t just relying on his salary for monthly cash flow. TJ has also invested in rental properties as well as real estate syndications—both of which are providing him thousands a month in passive cash flow. But, after the globe-trotting ends, will TJ have to find himself another job or can he happily ski his way to early retirement upon re-arrival?
In This Episode We Cover
Retirement accounts, private pensions, and setting your future self up for financial success
Cash savings and emergency funds, plus who needs them (and who doesn’t)
Rental property investing and real estate syndications for passive cash flow
Reducing spending and building a “future budget” that forecasts future spending
Money anxiety and how to mitigate it even if you have a high income and net worth
The 4% rule and using it to easily map out your date of financial independence
And So Much More!
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“Hustle culture” has been a term for the past decade or so. It somehow became a badge of honor to prove that you’re working the hardest, longest, and most stressful job around. You can handle it, you’re making money, putting in the hours, but what do you have left at the end of the day? This constant grind is what Mindy likes to call the “death race to FI” due to its unnecessary harshness on your free time, relationships, and mental health.
Pete McPherson foresaw this “hustle culture” taking over his life when he quit his sixty-hour week accounting job and decided to start his own business. This wasn’t the first, or second, or fiftieth time Pete had started a business, and he was driven to never set foot in an office again. He wasn’t making phenomenal money the first year, but he made enough to provide for his family, and that was enough for him.
Mindy and guest host Sarah Putt from OT 4 Lyfe talk with Pete about the rarely discussed downsides of chasing early retirement and financial independence. Make no mistake, even if you decided to work twenty hours a week, like Pete, you can still make plenty of money all while being able to watch your favorite movies in the middle of the day or spend time with your kids!
In This Episode We Cover
The detriment of “hustle culture” and why working hard doesn’t mean burning yourself out
The importance of having an available safety reserve in case you get let go from a job
Jumping into entrepreneurship and developing the grind to make it work
Learning from your mistakes and seeing every failure as a lesson
Picking your “good enough” number and living life on your terms
Why time freedom is the ultimate goal of FI, not exorbitant wealth
And So Much More!
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Emergency funds, frugal experiments, free photons, and “thoughtful spending” were just a few things that came to light during Carl and Mindy Jensen’s January 2022 budget recap. If you didn’t know already, Mindy has been publicly tracking her expenses and budgeting for BiggerPockets Money listeners (and the world) to see. But of course, as soon as Mindy shared her public budget, things started to go awry.
Nothing says “let’s start the month off right” like car repairs, furnace replacements, and sky-high gas prices. But, Mindy isn’t a quitter! Even with some big emergency expenses, she and Carl have managed to stay within budget for most of their costly categories in spite of life's fun financial curveballs.
Carl and Mindy discuss their January “frugal experiment” including hotels and air fryers, how “dry January” became “moist January”, and why this financial powerhouse has opted out of the traditional emergency fund. If you’re starting this year with a few budget busters like Carl and Mindy, don’t let it keep you from hitting your overall 2022 spending goals. Track it, stick with it, and shoot for FI!
In This Episode We Cover
How expense tracking inadvertently stops you from overspending
Using money in the most efficient way possible so you can increase your “thoughtful spending”
Budgeting wins (and challenges) that Mindy and Carl faced this January
Preparing from unexpected budget busters and whether or not an emergency fund is necessary
How to allocate large bills throughout the year so you don’t go over budget
Splurging on things you truly enjoy while keeping everyday costs as simplistic as possible
And So Much More!
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Lifestyle creep, budget hesitancy, and cash scarcity are problems you’d likely hear from someone just getting into the realm of financial independence/literacy. But, funnily enough, these wealth woes aren’t coming from newbies—they’re coming from two asset-stacking veterans, Mindy Jensen and David Pere from The Military Millionaire Podcast.
While on the outside David and Mindy may look like squeaky clean financial figures, they’ve realized recently that they have to tighten up their systems to maximize wealth. Mindy has seen a slow and steady lifestyle creep, and although her income can support her, she still wants to have a strong sense of strategy when it comes to budgeting and expense tracking.
David has tried time and time again to budget, but it’s never really gone to plan. He also is feeling a bit stressed at times due to his “cash poor, asset rich” lifestyle that has allowed him to build so much wealth. Our two hosts serve as financial therapists for one another other in this episode as they dive deep into how each other can re-strategize their financial situations. Even the gurus don’t always get it right!
In This Episode We Cover
How to turn budget hesitancy into expense-tracking mastery
Stocking up your emergency reserve so you (and your business) can survive life’s hiccups
Entrepreneur income and why you should go lean on your business spending, without compromising quality
Lifestyle/income creep and how to fight it so you can save and invest more
Why everyone (even our money gurus) make mistakes from time to time
And So Much More!
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Rental properties can be a phenomenal second source of income for the majority of us who work at regular jobs. One or two rental property purchases every year or so can slowly, but surely, build a strong foundation for financial independence, sometimes within only a few years. Today’s guest Connor has taken this approach to wealth building and now sits on six rental units, splitting some of the profits with his partners.
Connor runs a lot of the operation for these rental properties. He has a background in construction management, making him an integral piece of any future BRRRR, flip, or rehab project he and his partners decide to take on. But, could these real estate partnerships be slowing down his personal wealth growth? And if so, how does he mitigate the risk of being an independent investor in a cash-intensive business?
Aside from his real estate portfolio, Connor also wants to simplify his personal portfolio, plan for future baby expenses, maximize his retirement, and get a better handle on his financial situation in total. Scott and Mindy leave Connor with some clear action items that may help him achieve financial freedom in his five to seven-year time horizon!
In This Episode We Cover
Real estate partnerships and establishing the value that you bring to them
Generating more income (and reducing expenses) through live in flips and house hacking
Land contracts and seller financing on rental properties that allow you to scale faster
Student loan repayment, deferral, and when you should plan on starting up your payments again
Shopping for a baby as frugally as you can so you can invest for their future
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The poverty cycle is a hard one to break out of. For some people, it is near impossible to climb yourself out of the hole that society, family, or unfortunate circumstances have placed you in. But sometimes, through sheer willpower alone, those who break through can crush this cycle and bring their families up with them. Someone who’s done this (and much more), is Dr. David L. Rhoiney from surgiFI.
Dr. David is a renowned “robot surgeon”, operating on patients using the finest precision that modern technology has to offer. He holds two degrees, has two homes, and invests heavily. You’re probably assuming he was raised in a family that taught him the worth of hard work, education, and investing early. You wouldn’t be more wrong.
Dr. David’s childhood consisted of a combination of living in cars, homeless shelters, sleeping on friend’s couches, and surviving completely on the edge. After being accepted into the US Naval Academy, he knew that he had to do everything he could to never return to that life. He has been told “no” thousands of times, that he wasn’t good enough, didn’t look the part, or simply that he wasn’t worth it. He proved every doubter wrong and has had the last laugh as he and his family now are on the path to a phenomenal financial future.
In This Episode We Cover
Growing up and poverty and using it as fuel to strive for something greater
Why you should always choose the “hard path” and pursue something others would fear
Medical student loans and going debt-free through intelligent financial decisions
House hacking and using rental properties to propel your net worth higher
Affordable housing and what real estate investors can do to help those in need
Giving yourself no other choice but to succeed, even when all bets are against you
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Ahh, the age-old question: pay off your mortgage early or invest? It’s no wonder so many members of the financial independence community have strong feelings about one or the other. With a paid-off mortgage, you’re less in debt, with more free cash to invest or spend on things you love doing. But, there’s another side to that cash flow coin. If you’re paying off your mortgage early, you’ll have less money to invest, leaving you with less compound interest.
If you’ve been asking for someone to answer this question for you, be sure to thank today’s guest, Javier. He’s been doing a phenomenal job paying down his mortgage as quickly as he can, especially at such a young age. Javier has a respectable net worth and works not only at his W2 but also as a real estate agent on the side. Javier is struggling to find where to best put his extra $1,300/month once he pays off his primary residence.
And while this is a BiggerPockets Podcast episode, Scott and Mindy do not immediately vouch for real estate investing. Instead, they take a look at his overall risk tolerance, personal finance situation, and work backwards from his goals to find what he really wants out of early retirement, instead of just grasping for cash.
In This Episode We Cover
Setting up your “bare-bones emergency fund” so you can invest with confidence
Whether or not you should pay off your mortgage early
When the right time to leave your W2 job is and pursue your side income streams
How to pay for healthcare when you’re self-employed or without work subsidies
How much to allocate towards taxes per month as a self-employed individual
When real estate investing does and does not make sense for your lifestyle
And So Much More!
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You Need a Budget is the expense tracker/budgeter that requires no introduction…but we’ll give it one anyways! In 2004, Jesse Mecham launched this ground-breaking software, allowing money masters and novices alike to easily track their money and plan for a financially stress-free future. Jesse may have been the perfect person to build a product like this—he started tracking his expenses at age sixteen for fun!
As Jesse grew older, he continued to track his expenses regularly, allowing him to have a tight hold on his money and fight back the urge to go into debt. When his wife decided to take a backseat on working and have children, Jesse started to work harder at converting YNAB from a simple spreadsheet to a full-blown business. He was so conservative that three years into the business when he was making twice as much as his accountant salary, he continued to reinvest almost every cent of profit so he could have a strong financial foundation behind him.
Now, some eighteen years after launching, Jesse still holds the principles that he started YNAB with. He lives a simple lifestyle, enjoying “parlor time” with his seven children, keeping a strong emergency fund, and investing in a very, very conservative manner. Take it from someone like Jesse who has “made it”—budgeting can change your life.
In This Episode We Cover
Why budgeting and expense tracking are important at an early age
How simple expense tracking allows you to save and invest more while starving off debt
The four money rules that will change the way you think about your finances
Where to keep the money that you’re saving for emergencies, down payments, and more
How to know it’s the right time to quit your job and pursue your passions
Running your real estate business through YNAB’s intuitive budgeting
Why Jesse refuses to invest in high-risk assets while building his business
And So Much More!
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Financial flexibility is one of the hidden stages along the path to financial independence. When you hit financial flexibility, you have far more choices than you did before. You can invest more, spend more, save more, and work less if you choose to do so. But, this type of lifestyle can only be achieved by being mindful and proactive about where your money is going, as today’s guest Kevin, knows very well.
Kevin’s story was posted on the BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group, where he relived the horror of his credit card being declined at his girlfriend’s birthday dinner. This struck Kevin, since he made a decent salary and was relatively responsible with his money. He contributed to retirement accounts and kept a lean emergency fund, so where was all his money going?
In today’s discovery, Scott and Mindy walk Kevin through which parts of his budget need a tune-up, and whether or not aggressive loan paydown is worth it for optimal financial flexibility. So where can you tweak your budget to maximize flexibility while minimizing credit-card-induced stress?
In This Episode We Cover
How to pay off bad debt fast and work your way to debt-free status
Achieving “financial flexibility” before financial independence and the steps to get there
Tracking your expenses and budgeting for spending (every single month!)
How to cut food and eating out spending so your stomach and wallet stay happy
What to do with extra income once you’ve paid off all your debt
The importance of a strong emergency fund and always having a safety reserve
And So Much More!
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Today’s guest, Jennifer Grimson, is a prime example that every problem has a solution. Jennifer has always been a hard worker so she had no problem working through college as she aspired to be a foreign service officer, but her life took a turn when she fell in love and married her (now) ex-husband. Her dynamic with money completely changed as he spent money frivolously while she spent conservatively. When things ended poorly 8 years later he sued her 25 times, not including when he sued her mother and brother, and left her with $500,000 worth of attorney fees.
At this point, she was left with nothing and had two children to raise on her own. While most would be completely devastated, Jennifer focused on finding a way out. Jennifer had never been scared of a little hard work so she found a job with a steady paycheck and filed for bankruptcy to help with her attorney fees. She continued to file for bankruptcy and start from scratch until she could build herself back up financially. She was then able to rebuild her credit through various methods and gain financial autonomy.
Her overall goal was to experience financial peace— but she didn’t stop there. She started building small pockets of wealth and always had at least three streams of income at all times. Once Jennifer found out about short-term rentals, she saw an opportunity and started buying houses to convert into Airbnb properties and turn a profit. After 4 years she created an astounding $1.4 million in income-producing assets!
In This Episode We Cover
How to properly intertwine money and romantic relationships (and how to protect your personal wealth)
Filing for bankruptcy and how it can be your saving grace from future lawsuits
Borrowing against a 401k and investing with retirement funds
Rebuilding your credit from scratch (and even bankruptcy!)
Short term rentals, passive investments, buying land and other ways to build long-lasting wealth
Cost Segregation and how to greatly reduce your tax burden
And So Much More!
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