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    BiggerPockets Money

    For those who have money… or want more of it!

    Join Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench (from BiggerPocketsMoney.com) weekly for the BiggerPockets Money Podcast. Each week, financial experts Mindy and Scott interview unique and powerful thought leaders about how to earn more, keep more, spend smarter, and reach financial independence.

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    Scott and Virginia Trench Talk Goal Setting, Spending, Prenups, and Future Plans Feb 28, 2025
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    How has Scott achieved so much financial success already in his early 30s? He’s got a secret weapon nobody else has: Virginia Trench! That’s right, the woman behind half of the puns you hear on this podcast is coming on the show! She's sharing her view on Scott’s early (and extreme) frugality, massively successful financial planning dates, goal setting as a couple, prenuptial agreements, and the Trenches’ recent decision to sell a solid chunk of their index fund portfolio.

    Virginia met Scott before he was CEO, before he had a sizable rental portfolio, and before he became one of the internet’s favorite money nerds. Together, they’ve worked hand-in-hand, building a FI lifestyle that fits their family while chasing their own individual dreams, including Virginia becoming a published author with her new book, Our Secrets Were Safe, coming out this summer!

    In this episode, we peel back the curtain and get a glimpse into how Scott and Virginia run the Trench household and its finances. What’s the one thing they have trouble not spending on? What is their repeatable process for achieving enormous financial goals? And is Scott secretly the world’s worst/best baker? If you’re a long-time listener, this is an episode you can’t miss!


    In This Episode We Cover

    The repeatable money date that Scott and Virginia use to keep their family finances in shape

    Goal setting as a couple and how to reach seemingly impossible milestones

    Prenuptial agreements and why Scott and Virginia would recommend one for couples

    What Virginia thinks about Scott’s recent decision to sell off their index funds

    The one spending problem that Scott and Virginia both admit they struggle with

    And So Much More!


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    BiggerPockets Money 301 - Why You’re (Probably) Wrong About Prenups

    Preorder Virginia’s New Book, “Our Secrets Were Safe”

    Grab Scott and Mindy’s Book, “First-Time Home Buyer”

    Sign Up for the BiggerPockets Money Newsletter

    Find an Investor-Friendly Agent in Your Area

    BiggerPockets Money 607 - Has the FIRE Formula Changed? Why 100% Index Funds Isn’t the Answer


    (00:00) Intro

    (01:47) Super Frugality and FIRE Goals

    (04:57) Spending and Blind Spots

    (08:42) Getting a Prenup

    (12:08) Financial Planning Dates

    (17:08) Goal Setting 101

    (24:57) Scott Goes Coconuts

    (321:05) Selling Index Funds

    (35:49) Grab Virginia’s Book!


    Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-611


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    Teacher Retires Early at 45 Thanks to Strategic Living (FIRE in Paradise!) Feb 25, 2025
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    Teachers aren’t known for their high salaries, so how did this one reach early retirement and FIRE at just 45 years old? Through “aggressive” saving and smart cost-of-living choices, Amy Minkley was able to quit her demanding international teaching job only three years after finding out about the FIRE movement. Now, she spends her days living in paradise and hosting “FI Freedom Retreats” once or twice a year for like-minded FIRE-chasers.

    To reach FIRE in your 40s, you must make some strategic moves like Amy. Thankfully, you don’t need to make six figures to retire early in 2025. Throughout Amy’s career, she never entered the “high income” threshold but could still save aggressively, thanks to the perks of teaching at international schools. We’re talking free rent, subsidized travel, and plenty of paid vacation.

    But it wasn’t always the dream life that it sounds like. Amy had constant stress and was routinely feeling burned out, forcing her to take multiple sabbaticals, change where she lived, and deal with some of the money trauma that had plagued her past. Now, she’s FIRE, thriving, and living entirely on her terms. You can (and should) do it, too!


    In This Episode We Cover

    How to reach FIRE in your 40s even if you feel like it’s too “late” for you

    Why teachers should look into teaching abroad to save a significant portion of their income

    Investing from abroad and what to do when you have little-to-no social security contributions

    How much cash you should keep on hand when you’re ready to retire early

    Living off the three percent rule (instead of the traditional four percent rule) by moving to low-cost-of-living areas

    Why you must take a sabbatical at least once in your working career

    And So Much More!


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    Finance Friday: Chasing FIRE by 35 WHILE Supporting Extra Family Members Feb 21, 2025
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    Is something stopping your FIRE? Today’s guest wants to retire early at 35, but with a shaky budget, extra expenses, and a problematic rental property, her path to early retirement isn’t clear. In today’s episode, we’ll break down her finances and help her get back on track!

    Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! Sarah earns a great salary and diligently saves for retirement each month. You’d think she’s on pace to leave her W2 job in a few years, but there’s one problem—she has more expenses than the average person. Financially responsible for two extra family members, Sarah pays for their mortgage, food, and lifestyle, all while covering her own expenses!

    Does Sarah’s financial situation need a major shake-up? Tune in as Scott and Mindy debate whether it’s time for Sarah to part with a property that’s bleeding money, strategize about when to put it on the market, and discuss what to do with the money from the sale. We’ll also touch on the tough conversations Sarah needs to have with family members if she wants to achieve her retirement goal!


    In This Episode We Cover

    The three things Sarah must do to achieve her goal of FIRE by 35

    How to reach your financial goals despite extra expenses

    What to do with a rental property that has negative cash flow

    The BEST time to put an investment property on the market

    How to budget for future children (family planning 101!)

    And So Much More!


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    BiggerPockets Money 12 – How to Become an “Overnight” Success in 10 Short Years with David Greene



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    CPA Shares Tax Tips to Lower Your 2024 (Yes, 2024) Taxes Feb 18, 2025
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    2024 may be long gone, but it’s NOT too late to lower your taxes for the previous year. If you have real estate or retirement accounts, you already hold the key to minimizing your taxable income and owing less to Uncle Sam. But how do you do it? We’re sharing 2024 and 2025 top tax reduction strategies in today’s show with expert CPA and real estate investor Amanda Han!

    Do you know about the real estate tax “loophole” that helps everyday investors cut their taxable income by tens of thousands? Got an employer-contributed retirement plan? You could STILL use it to lower your 2024 taxes! And why should you NOT take the standard deduction if you’ve bought a home in the past few years? We’re answering all of these questions so you can keep more of your hard-earned money.

    Finally, what audit red flags is Amanda seeing with her clients? There’s one easily avoidable audit trap that MANY Americans are falling into that could take just minutes to circumvent. Should we even be talking about income taxes if President Trump plans to eliminate them? Amanda, Mindy, and Scott are sharing their opinions on whether this will reach fruition.


    In This Episode We Cover

    How to save on your 2024 tax bill and moves to make before Tax Day 2025

    The easily avoidable audit red flag that Amanda has seen spike lately

    The real estate tax deduction that could save those earning $150K or less tens of thousands

    Most commonly missed tax write-offs that many Americans can take but forget about

    Will President Trump abolish income taxes during his second term?

    Whether to pay your estimated taxes OR invest instead and take the interest hit

    And So Much More!


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    (00:00) Intro

    (00:56) You Can STILL Save on 2024 Taxes

    (05:54) Lowering Your Taxable Income

    (10:27) You Can STILL Contribute for 2024!

    (14:22) Estimating Your Taxes

    (16:22) Itemizing vs. Standard Deduction

    (18:21) Commonly Overlooked Write-offs

    (21:41) Audit Red Flags!

    (23:06) Will Tax Rates Rise or Fall?

    (28:03) Opportunity Zones Have Changed

    (31:08) How to Prepare for 2024/2025

    (35:15) Connect with Amanda!


    Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-608


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    Has the FIRE Formula Changed? Why 100% Index Funds Isn’t the Answer Feb 14, 2025
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    Is a 100% index fund portfolio no longer the FIRE formula? The market has changed, and maybe your portfolio allocation needs to change with it. With index funds at all-time-high prices and price-to-earnings ratios at an eye-watering 29, you might be feeling a bit worried about whether your FIRE will last or you’ll even make it to FIRE in the first place. You’re not crazy; Scott is feeling the same way, too.

    Recently, Scott decided to make a move much of the FIRE community would protest—he sold 40% of his index fund portfolio to reallocate to real estate. Why did he do it now, even as a strong index fund believer? On the other hand, why is Mindy sticking with her stock and index fund portfolio, ready to ride out whatever potential market downturn could be coming our way?

    Scott explains, in detail, why real estate is a better choice for him at the moment, the reason prudent FIRE chasers should question the conventional wisdom of a 100% index fund portfolio, and why his new rental property could act as a hedge against a significant market downturn. If Scott is selling his index funds, should you?


    In This Episode We Cover

    The historical price-to-earnings ratios making index funds a riskier bet

    How holding 100% index funds could throw your FIRE off by a decade

    The optimal portfolio for retiring early on the four percent rule

    Is real estate a safer bet than stocks in 2025?

    Real estate cash flow vs. selling stocks for income and why one is much easier to actualize

    And So Much More!


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    The Points Guy's Travel Hacking Tips to Fly for FREE in 2025 Feb 11, 2025
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    Travel hacking allows you to fly and travel for free, often in luxury, without spending tens of thousands of dollars on flights or hotels. So, how do you do it without managing thirty different credit cards in your wallet? Brian Kelly, AKA The Points Guy, world-renowned travel hacking expert and author of the new book How to Win at Travel, is here to show you as we rapid-fire our top credit card rewards questions at him.

    In this show, you’ll learn how to fly to Europe, Asia, and beyond for FREE, even in business class, all by spending the same amount of money you typically would every month. These cards can turn your weekly grocery run into free flights, hotel stays, cashback, and more, plus give you huge perks like airport lounge access, travel protection, and even a credit to spend on your next trip. Love free money? This is how you get it.

    Plus, we’re asking The Points Guy what cards he has in HIS wallet, what he spends on which card, and why he does NOT recommend staying loyal to a specific airline, even if you travel often. These tips alone could save you thousands of dollars this year while turning your economy seat into a lie-flat first-class experience. Don’t let your money go to waste; start travel hacking!


    In This Episode We Cover

    How to travel for free by spending money on groceries, eating out, and business expenses

    The Points Guy’s three favorite credit cards that everyone should keep in their wallet

    Why you (probably) shouldn’t stay loyal to a specific airline, even if you have their credit card

    Why Chase points can get you even MORE free travel than American Express points

    Evaluating annual credit card fees and whether a $300+/year credit card is worth it

    Best credit cards for renters and those who live a frugal lifestyle (but still want to travel!)

    And So Much More!


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    (00:00) Intro

    (01:39) Travel for FREE!

    (06:06) Best Credit Cards for Beginners

    (13:48) Annual Fees

    (17:56) Brian’s Favorite Credit Cards

    (20:51) Airline and Hotel Partner Cards

    (27:49) Keeping Track of Cards

    (29:34) Best First Card?

    (31:21) Cards for Low-Spenders

    (34:03) Inheriting Points?

    (36:52) WIN at Travel!

    (39:01) Get Your Points!



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    The 4% Rule Naysayers Are Wrong (We Retired at 47 Using It!) Feb 07, 2025
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    Does the four-percent rule actually work? On paper, yes. So why don’t more people put it to the test? Today’s guest retired at forty-seven years old and is living proof that the math really does check out. Stay tuned to find out how!

    Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! Bobby Beck has done what so many in the FIRE community are seemingly unable to do—he actually retired on the four-percent rule! What’s more? He did it while living in the Bay Area, one of the most expensive markets in the US. What gave him the confidence to leave his job and never look back? While “One More Year Syndrome” keeps many people from retiring early, Bobby’s mantra of “take a year” compelled him to take a leap of faith. Even though his retirement portfolio took a sixteen-percent hit right before he retired, he weathered the storm, and sure enough, the market rebounded!

    Now, Bobby lives the life people dream of when they discover FIRE. He has a comfy lifestyle, travels multiple times a year, and only checks his portfolio once a month. If you need the motivation to call time on your career and put your retirement date on the calendar, you don’t want to miss this episode!


    In This Episode We Cover

    How Bobby and his wife retired on the four-percent rule (at age 47!)

    Why the FIRE community overestimates how much they’ll owe in taxes

    How to beat “One More Year Syndrome” and actually retire early

    Growing your brokerage accounts and cash to avoid the middle-class trap

    The portfolio allocation that will give you the confidence to retire

    And So Much More!


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    How Much Do You Need for Early Retirement? (How to Calculate Your FI Number)


    (00:00) Intro

    (01:03) Retired at 47!

    (05:49) Bobby’s Portfolio

    (08:35) Real Estate Investments

    (17:05) Withdrawals & Tax Strategies

    (26:45) 100% Stock Portfolio

    (34:36) What Does Your Life Cost?

    (39:47) The 4% Rule Works!



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    Sahil Bloom: The “X Factor” for Financial Freedom and Why FIRE Won’t Make You Happy Feb 04, 2025
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    Do we focus too much on just one type of wealth? What if the key to a happy life isn’t retiring early, ascending the corporate ladder, or having more money than you know what to do with? Serial entrepreneur Sahil Bloom spent years chasing money, only to find that it didn’t provide happiness—it robbed him of it. Find yourself in the same boat? This episode is for you!

    Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! Today, Sahil joins the show to discuss the core concepts from his latest book, The 5 Types of Wealth. Many FIRE-focused folks believe that financial wealth unlocks time, social, mental, and physical wealth, but Sahil is living proof that this isn’t the case. In this episode, he shares about his own journey from financial illiteracy to financial independence, the different levers he pulled along the way, and how he was able to dig himself out of a rut that was slowly destroying his life.

    Whether you’re stuck on the happiness hamster wheel, burned out at your nine-to-five job, or lacking in any area beyond money, you’re not alone! Sahil will show you the “x factor” that leads to financial freedom, the best and most scalable side hustles to start, and how to transition from your W2 to entrepreneurship!


    In This Episode We Cover

    The five types of wealth explained (and why you shouldn’t focus on just one!)

    The “x factor” that catapults you from a decent living to financial freedom

    Why increasing your income is more important than controlling your expenses

    The number one thing the FIRE community gets wrong about building wealth

    How anyone can start (and scale) their own online business in 2025

    Steps every person must take to lay a strong financial foundation

    The “safety net” you need when moving from stable W2 income to entrepreneurship

    And So Much More!


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    (00:00) Intro

    (01:02) Sahil’s Money Journey

    (03:18) Building a Financial Foundation

    (13:29) Leaving the Fund & Moving Home

    (21:43) The “Scalability” of the Internet

    (28:09) Structuring His Company

    (33:18) The 3 Pillars of Financial Wealth

    (39:09) Riding Out the Market

    (43:40) The 5 Types of Wealth

    (46:08) Connect with Sahil!

    (47:03) Build “Well-Rounded” Wealth!


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    How to FIRE Faster with a Self-Directed IRA Jan 31, 2025
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    How can you use your retirement accounts to reach FIRE faster? We’ve talked a lot about the “middle-class trap”—having too much of your net worth trapped in your retirement accounts and home equity—and we may have the secret weapon to help you escape it. Not only that, this strategy allows you to keep more of what you earn, take control of your investments, and build a (relatively) passive real estate portfolio while you get closer and closer to FIRE.

    Of course, we’re talking about self-directed IRAs and Kaaren Hall’s new book, Self-Directed IRA Investing: A BiggerPockets Guide (use code “SDIRA10” for 10% off)!

    Never heard of them? Self-directed IRAs (SDIRAs) are retirement accounts that give you more control over what you invest in. So, instead of just stocks and bonds, you can use your retirement funds to buy rental properties, become a passive private money lender, and invest in real estate syndications. These investments can often get higher returns than stock market averages, helping you reach your retirement goals faster!

    So, how do you use it to escape the middle-class trap? Today, Kaaren shares some of the often overlooked strategies to withdraw early from your self-directed IRA so you can FIRE in your forties or fifties instead of waiting until your sixties!


    In This Episode We Cover

    Self-directed IRAs explained, plus why they’re a “secret weapon” for retirement

    Self-directed IRAs vs. traditional IRAs and what you can invest in with each

    Escaping the “middle-class trap” with early withdrawal strategies for retirement accounts

    Completely passive real estate investments you can put inside your self-directed IRA

    How to turn your old employer-sponsored retirement account into a self-directed IRA

    And So Much More!


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    (00:00) Intro

    (01:23) Self-Directed IRAs Explained

    (05:49) Buy Real Estate with Retirement Accounts!

    (10:37) Opening a Self-Directed IRA

    (13:55) Escaping the Middle-Class Trap

    (17:41) Real Estate IRA Rules

    (20:52) Best Alternative Investments

    (23:56) 401(k) vs. IRA and Minimum Distributions

    (27:57) Withdraw from Your IRA for FIRE!

    (34:49) Self-Directed HSAs! (Timestamp)

    (36:59) When to Use a Self-Directed IRA

    (41:48) 403(b)s and TSPs

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    The Middle-Class Trap That Could Keep You from FIRE (How to Escape It) Jan 28, 2025
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    Buying a house, maxing out your 401(k), and leveraging real estate can help you achieve financial independence. But suppose your goal is to retire early. Could relying too heavily on these principles actually delay early retirement? Today, we’re going to show you how to break free from the “middle-class trap” that stops so many from retiring early!

    Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! Is most of your net worth “stuck” in home equity and retirement accounts? This is a widespread issue in the FIRE community. On one hand, you could sell your home or refinance your mortgage to tap into your equity, but interest rates are too high! Meanwhile, you can’t withdraw money from your 401(k)—not without incurring severe penalties. In theory, you could already be a millionaire but have little to no cash flow to fuel your retirement. So, what should you do?

    In this episode, you’re going to learn all about the middle-class trap, how to avoid it, and, if you’re in it, how to get out! Mindy and Scott will share the “ideal” portfolio for an early retiree and the bridge accounts you need to retire today. Finally, is the FIRE community wrong about the 100% index fund portfolio? Stay tuned to find out!


    In This Episode We Cover

    The middle-class trap explained and how to avoid (or escape) it

    The “ideal” investment portfolio for the early retiree

    Tweaking your asset allocation to achieve financial freedom

    The power of owning a paid-off rental property in retirement

    Bridge accounts and investments that will allow you to retire today

    Why a 100% index fund portfolio could come back to bite you

    And So Much More!


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    (00:00) Intro

    (00:42) What Is the Middle-Class Trap?

    (03:42) The “Ideal” Retirement Portfolio

    (10:31) Scott’s Path to Financial Freedom

    (16:13) Mindy’s Early Retirement Roadmap

    (24:12) The Power of Paid-Off Property

    (29:18) Middle-Class Trap “Timeline”

    (33:55) Share YOUR Portfolio!



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