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    BiggerPockets Money

    For those who have money… or want more of it!

    Join Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench (from BiggerPocketsMoney.com) weekly for the BiggerPockets Money Podcast. Each week, financial experts Mindy and Scott interview unique and powerful thought leaders about how to earn more, keep more, spend smarter, and reach financial independence.

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    Latest Episodes:
    Is Your FIRE Strategy Wrong? The Middle Class Trap Debate with Brad Barrett Jun 20, 2025
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    Buying a house, maxing out your 401(k), and leveraging real estate are considered the gold standard for building wealth, but what if these strategies are actually sabotaging your early retirement?

    Today, we're diving into the controversial "middle-class trap" debate with Brad Barrett from the ChooseFI podcast! Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! Is your net worth locked up in home equity and retirement accounts you can't access? Brad, Mindy, and Scott are having a friendly but fierce debate about whether this middle-class trap is real or just financial fear-mongering, breaking down strategies to avoid it and revealing the ideal portfolio for early retirees.

    In this episode, you'll learn:

    • If the Middle Class Trap is real or not!

    • The difference between your Net Worth vs. FI Number

    • The Psychological Barriers to Financial Freedom

    And SO Much More!


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    The Proven Path to Financial Independence in Your 40s Jun 17, 2025
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    On this episode of the BiggerPockets Money Podcast, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench sit down with Dave Fleischer, a teacher who's proving that you don't need a six-figure salary to achieve financial independence. If you've ever felt discouraged because your FI number seems impossibly high or your current salary feels too small to build real wealth, this episode will completely shift your perspective by showing that financial independence isn't about how much you make, but how strategically you manage what you have.

    Whether you're a teacher, earn a median income, or simply want to see how creative financial planning can accelerate your journey to freedom, you'll discover actionable strategies that work regardless of your income level and prove that YOU can follow this simple path to achieve financial freedom too.

    In this episode, you'll learn:

    • How Dave and his wife became net worth millionaires at 39 years old.

    • Can one move change your life?

    • Living below your means is key to building wealth.

    • If you can downsize your lifestyle, it is a cheat code.


    And SO Much More!

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    How to Access Retirement Funds Early Using the 72(t) Strategy Jun 13, 2025
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    On this episode of the BiggerPockets Money Podcast, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench sit down with John Bowens from Equity Trust. John is an expert on the often-overlooked 72(t)t rule that could be a game-changer for early retirees.

    This often misunderstood withdrawal strategy allows people under 59.5 to tap into their retirement accounts without facing the brutal 10% early withdrawal penalty that typically guards these funds. John breaks down the complex world of Substantially Equal Periodic Payments (SEPP), walking listeners through the different calculation methods, critical liquidity considerations, and smart investment strategies that can make or break a 72T IRA approach.

    In this episode, you'll learn:

    • How to access retirement funds early with the often overlooked 72(t) rule

    • Avoiding 401(k) penalties and using retirement accounts to actually retire early

    • The rules and regulations you MUST follow to withdraw penalty-free

    And SO Much More!

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    Money with Katie: Breaking Free from the Middle-Class Money Trap Jun 10, 2025
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    Katie Gatti Tassin from "Money with Katie" escaped the middle-class wealth trap of endless working and spending by having her "financial awakening" early.Through just a few years of self-education she more than doubled her income, built a profitable business, and mastered retirement investing and passive income strategies. She's documented all of these wealth-building strategies in her new book "Rich Girl Nation: Taking Charge of Our Financial Futures," which you can pre-order today.

    You'll learn the exact mindset shifts and actionable steps that transformed Katie's financial life and how you can replicate her success to break free from the cash-gobbling cycle and skyrocket your own net worth.

    In this episode, you'll learn:

    • The “financial awakening” that’ll have you saving more and spending less

    • Tracking spending in real-time is crucial for financial awareness.

    • Financial “truths” that could destroy your wealth if you follow them

    • Earning more money requires smart strategies, not just hard work.

    And SO much more!

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    4% Rule Creator Bill Bengen Reveals His NEW 5% Retirement Strategy Jun 06, 2025
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    The 4% rule just got a major update! Bill Bengen, the creator of the famous 4% withdrawal rule, returns to share his latest research that's changing retirement planning forever. Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! Discover why he's now recommending a 4.7% withdrawal rate and what this means for YOUR retirement strategy.

    In this episode, you'll learn:

    • Why Bill Bengen updated his iconic 4% rule after decades of research

    • The psychology behind why retirees struggle to actually spend their money

    • How market conditions should influence your withdrawal strategy

    • The role real estate plays in a well-diversified retirement portfolio

    • Active vs. passive management strategies for retirees

    • How younger retirees should approach their investment timeline differently

    • Why protecting your principal matters more than maximizing returns

    • The importance of controlling expenses and finding purpose beyond money

    • And SO Much More!

    Whether you're planning for retirement or already retired, this conversation will reshape how you think about withdrawal rates, portfolio management, and creating a sustainable financial future.


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    The Ultimate Guide to Asset Protection: LLCs, Insurance & Partnerships Jun 03, 2025
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    Do you really need an LLC for rentals? What kind of insurance should you get? With so many questions (and confusion) surrounding asset protection for real estate investors, we’ve brought on an expert to set the record straight so you can protect your assets—without going overboard or breaking the bank!


    Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! Today, we’re chatting with real estate attorney and fellow investor Bonnie Galam about the nuances of asset protection. The truth is that there are two sides to this coin, but most investors only focus on the defensive or “reactive” side. Bonnie will show you the keys to 360-degree protection—like setting up strong legal structures before problems arise and the essential documentation you should have from day one.


    You’ll also learn about the potential pitfalls of equity partnerships, how personal events can put your properties at risk, and why car insurance and prenups matter more for your portfolio than you might think. Asset protection doesn’t have to be complicated, but it does need to be strategic, and this episode will help you prioritize what’s important now, what can wait, and how to create a legal framework that evolves as your real estate portfolio grows!

    In This Episode We Cover:

    • Two sides of asset protection to focus on when starting a real estate business

    • Three actionable steps new investors can take to protect their assets today

    • Why you need to create an estate plan (even if you don’t have rentals yet!)

    • How much you should expect to pay for different types of legal protection

    • Debt versus equity partnerships (and why one is better for asset protection)

    • And So Much More!

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    The “Set It and Forget It” Path to FIRE by Your 40s May 30, 2025
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    If you invest consistently, reaching FIRE (financial independence, retire early) by your mid-40s is absolutely possible. These two financial-freedom-chasing twins are proof of it! Only in their 20s, both Andy and Oliver from Twin Finances have six-figure net worths, rental properties, and fully-loaded stock accounts! Conveniently, right after getting their first jobs, they found out about the FIRE movement, and have been quickly approaching their FIRE numbers ever since!


    Andy and Oliver have made substantial financial progress in just six years by doing what’s simple—a “set it and forget it” investing strategy that means less stress and faster FIRE. With $2M FIRE goals each, they’ve got a big gap to fill, but starting in their 20s gives them a huge leg up. In this episode, they break down their net worths, assets, and how they balance stocks and real estate to stay on track for FIRE by 45!


    Are you new to the FIRE movement? Check out Andy and Oliver’s beginner channel for personal finance, Twin Finances, and subscribe toBiggerPockets Money!


    In This Episode We Cover

    The “set it and forget it” investing strategy for FIRE by your mid-40s

    Why you MUST be flexible with your FIRE number as your life changes

    How to handle market corrections and crashes without losing your FIRE progress

    Andy and Oliver’s impressive net worths (they’re only in their 20s!)

    Combining rental properties and consistent stock investing to diversify your FIRE income

    And So Much More!



    Check out more resources from this show on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BiggerPockets.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-645


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    Leaving His Job at 36 to Give Back, NOT Get Rich During FI May 27, 2025
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    For many of us, FI (financial independence) isn’t just about having the biggest bank account. Growing wealth is one thing, but getting rich isn’t the goal. Freedom, time with loved ones, and giving back to your community are. So, when he reached the millionaire mark and achieved Coast FI, Ryan Brennan knew it was time to leave his new director role and focus on something that fueled his FIRE in a non-financial way.


    But, how did he get to a seven-figure net worth in his mid-30s anyway? A few very savvy (and repeatable) money moves catapulted Ryan’s net worth, allowing him to reach a level of financial freedom three decades before traditional retirement age. Through smart investing, unconventional living, and using his money to multiply his investments, Ryan secured the financial runway to enjoy a long sabbatical, doing what he truly loves—service work.


    After multiple volunteering trips, Ryan started the FI Service Corps, a group for those on their way to (or at) FI to give back to the community and help others in less fortunate positions. Ryan and his FI Service friends have helped build houses for qualifying low-income families, laid floors, and painted for Habitat for Humanity, and done it all while staying on track for early retirement. Want to give back, too? Join Ryan on a FI Service Corps volunteer trip!


    In This Episode We Cover


    Repeatable money moves Ryan made to reach Coast FI by 36

    Why financial independence is so much more than just growing your net worth (it’s about giving back!)

    How to know you’reready to take a sabbatical or quit your job

    The live-in flip house hack strategy that will supercharge your FIRE progress

    Why Slow FI may be even better than retiring as early as possible

    How to join Ryan and other FI friends on a trip to help those in need

    And So Much More!



    Check out more resources from this show on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BiggerPockets.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-644


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    If No One Follows the 4% Rule, What IS the Right Withdrawal Rate? May 23, 2025
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    Most people assume the “safe withdrawal rate” for retirement (or early retirement) is 4%. But, if that’s the case, why is it SO hard to find anyone who’s gotten to their FIRE number, quit their job, and lived entirely off of the 4% rule? If the 4% rule is so safe and backed by solid math, why are so few FIRE followers confident enough to actually use it? We don’t know. So we asked Karsten, AKA “Big Ern,” from Early Retirement Now to help answer!


    Karsten has done the math, and the 4% rule checks out. But even he, an early retiree, doesn’t follow it. So, instead of the safe withdrawal rate, what’s the comfortable withdrawal rate early retirees should be following to FIRE on time and with less stress? And with turbulence in today’s stock market, and rising prices (which cause your spending to rise), what does the right FIRE portfolio look like?


    Karsten walks through how your portfolio should change as you approach FIRE. He explains why hedging with cash-flowing assets may be a smart move, how much cash to keep on hand, and whether those reserves can actually protect against sequence risk. Plus, should you pay off your mortgage on the path to FIRE? Scott and Karsten offer two different perspectives on whether it’s smarter to pay off your mortgage or invest that money instead.


    If you’re planning to FIRE, this is info you need to know!


    In This Episode We Cover

    Is the 4% rule math or myth, and why doesn’t anyone actually trust it enough to use it?

    The optimal FIRE portfolio for less risk and higher potential returns

    Cash reserves and emergency “buckets” to limit your sequence of returns risk

    Should you pay off your mortgage early or invest that money instead?

    One smart hedge to protect your portfolio against a stock market downturn

    And So Much More!



    Check out more resources from this show on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BiggerPockets.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-643


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    No, Taxes Won’t Derail Your FIRE: Here’s What You’ll Really Pay in Retirement May 20, 2025
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    No, Taxes Won’t Derail Your FIRE: Here’s What You’ll Really Pay in Retirement

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    Taxes in retirement have been called a “silent wealth killer” for those pursuing FIRE—but does the data tell a different story? If you’re worried about a ticking tax bomb wiping out a huge chunk of your investment portfolioor even delaying early retirement, you won’t want to miss this one!


    Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! Today, we’re joined by fellow investor and self-proclaimed data nerd Mark Livingstone, who has created a free resource and spreadsheet YOU can use to estimate your tax burden in retirement. For most early retirees, taxes are negligible compared to the amount of income they can withdraw, and Mark will demonstrate this with a step-by-step walkthrough of his powerful FIRE tax tool!


    Along the way, you’ll learn the key differences between marginal and effective tax rates and why people who retire today pay much less tax than in decades prior. You’ll also hear about the four income “levers” you can pull in retirement, when income tax and capital gains tax kick in, and how to build the most tax-friendly withdrawal strategy possible!


    In This Episode We Cover

    Why taxes in retirement aren’t nearly as bad as you probably think

    A step-by-step walkthrough of Mark’s free retirement tax spreadsheet

    How the United States’ progressive income tax system works

    Marginal and effective tax rates explained (and how they impact your tax burden)

    The four income “levers” you can pull in retirement (and how each is taxed)

    How taxes impact the safe withdrawal rate (and why the 4% ruleworks)

    And So Much More!


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