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    BAD WORDS

    An exvangelical podcast giving toxic theology the read it deserves by taking another look at some of the bad books given major influence in evangelical christianity.
    Hosted by Janice Lagata and Melanie Kleimola

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    Copyright: © 2021 God Has Not Given

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    Open Letter to Black Exvangelical Leaders Aug 15, 2026
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    Dear Tamice, Malynda, Kristian and Ciara —


    This is the 1st draft of this letter. That is mostly a note to self, because I keep thinking of the stutter in terms of one I started to write on April 7th of this year. Similar in tone but to someone completely different. Someone we all know, and anyway, I never finished that letter. I thought this would be a continuation, a spinoff of that, but reading that other draft of that other letter? Ugh. Not only was it for someone I don't speak to anymore, it was from someone I don't speak as anymore. Honestly, I couldn't even finish it. It was embarrassing how gentle it was.


    Before reading it, I had a thought that maybe I would go back to one of the last official religious resignation letters I wrote. Maybe the one from nine years ago to the lead pastor of the mega church I was part of, or maybe the open letter from six years ago that kinda catapulted me into this space when I wrote about the evangelical behavior of that pastor when it lost him his job. To see, and, I guess, prove not only how much I've grown, but that I grew up here, in front of y'all, to prove my right to be here, and to say what I'm about to say. To show you all my papers, 'cause that's what we've been conditioned to do as black folks.


    But, turned out there was no need for me to go that far back to be cringeworthy.


    Daniel and I, as Cat Tetris, are posting something to social media every day in August. He's got the odd days. I got the evens. And today is an even day, so...


    We are posting to make ourselves practice a few different visibility skills, including no disclaimers. So we've got a 10 word caption limit. Because there is never a day when I legitimately have nothing to post, but there are infinite times I don't, because I feel like I need to explain what I'm sharing, and I can't, because what's understood doesn't need to be explained. So the fact that I'm constantly expecting to be misunderstood here, that's actually red flag shit, 'cause it didn't used to be this way. I didn't used to feel that way in or about this space.


    The whole way I fell in was just speaking my mind and connecting with people who were in the same spiritual and or emotional and or mental place at the same time. And for a while, it was fine. But at some point, we lost the plot, because we stopped following it. We stepped into the space and started just standing around, commiserating instead of conspiring, plodding in circles, instead of plotting and planning. Settling instead of setting off.


    One of my best friends just FaceTimed me. I told her I was writing this letter, and that it's a step in my plan to give us free. I know she believed me about this letter. I hope she believed me about the freedom, and I hope I come through.


    So I didn't end up looking back at either of those other letters. They don't matter. They were to and for an audience that has aged badly and is looking more and more like its parents.


    I'm handwriting this letter. When I finish this draft, I will go back and rewrite all of this, to satisfy the people pleasing part of my brain that likes being known for my handwriting. I'm not going to type it, because typing allows for a certain level of convenience that lends itself to wasting words. But when handwriting, ain't nobody got time for all that. So it helps me stay focused.


    I'm leaving the deconstruction space for real and for good this time. I've been trying to leave for the past few years, which is extremely reminiscent of how I left, and how I felt, leaving evangelicalism. There were attempts, and then there, eventually, was a definitive break. This is my definitive break from exvangelicalism, which is literally just new evangelicalism. And y'all are the new tokens.


    drapetomanic behavior: PLAY Aug 02, 2026
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    To be completely honest, I don’t know exactly what this is. I mean, it’s a podcast episode, but the precise genre? Unclear. So when it comes to describing it, the only thing I can say for sure is that I like it.

    It basically began as a sermon (did I mention that I’m starting a church?** 👀), that became the beginning of an ongoing conversation I hope to keep having with whosoever will.

    ** That bit about “did I mention that I’m starting a church” is obviously a joke — I’m well aware that I haven’t mentioned it. And it’s absolutely true.

    Drapetomanic Ministry is a real thing I am really starting and that I really hope you’ll support in whatever way makes the most sense to you.

    So check out this episode of drapetomanic behavior and then, as the spirit leads…


    hijacked by better gods again (7.21.26) Jul 22, 2026
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    Thinking out loud.

    This is what I do now. (For now)


    lagatascratch@gmail.com


    hijacked by "better gods" May 19, 2026
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    A quick heads-up before you hit play: for this episode BAD WORDS is being hijacked by "better gods".


    Welcome to a special broadcast introducing better gods—an offensive Christian podcast hosted by Janice Lagata where she doesn’t talk to people she doesn’t like. Consider this episode a masterclass in friendly fire, a clearing of the decks, and the official introduction to the next phase of Janice's public ministry.


    If you’ve been following Janice's journey through the deconstruction space, you know she left her social media platform last year. In this premiere episode of her new venture, she explains exactly why she left, what she learned from the outside looking in, and why she is completely done investing hope in white male proxies or centering aggrieved white women who can't hold nuance or see Black women as actual people with agency.


    From the dehumanizing "White Shirt" tier systems of her past Christian employers to the shallow, capitalistic numbers game of the modern exvangelical movement, Janice holds nothing back.


    What You'll Hear in This Episode:

    • The Origin Story: Why this episode drops on May 18th—the birthday of Janice's late cat, David.

    • The Bubble Problem: Disillusionment in the exvangelical space and the rise of the mediocre white "midman".

    • Imagined Communities: The deep sociological difference between a country and a nation.

    • The Announcement: A breakdown of the new bi-weekly better gods schedule, the Study To Be Quiet Hour, and the upcoming BYO Elder Book Club.

    Where to Find the New Space:The old email address isn't going anywhere. If you want to submit to be on the new show for Tell Me About Your God, apply for Debate Practice, or get information on the Study To Be Quiet creative hours, reach out directly.


    📬 Get in Touch: godhasnotgiven@gmail.com 🎧 Subscribe to the new feed: Search for better gods on your favorite podcast platform to catch every new episode dropping bi-weekly starting the week of Juneteenth.



    312. BROTHELS FOR SINGS with Lauren Jul 30, 2025
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    In this episode of Bad Words, guest host Lauren joins Janice and Melanie to take apart chapters 31-32. They discuss Angel's struggles, Michael's motives, and the problematic depictions of sex work, gender roles, and racial themes. The conversation expands into the broader implications of purity culture and evangelical teachings. They also reflect on the harmful effects of guilt and shame instilled by such narratives and provide a critical and insightful examination of the book, questioning its lasting impact and Francine Rivers' stance on her work.


    00:00 Introduction and Recap

    00:18 Angel's Christmas Crisis

    00:47 Angel's Escape and New Beginnings

    01:07 Back to Rock Bottom

    01:29 Meet the Hosts

    04:15 Religious Trauma and Therapy

    06:09 Purity Culture and Personal Stories

    09:45 Book Analysis: Redeeming Love

    11:33 Paul and Miriam's Story

    11:53 Angel's Struggles and Rescues

    16:20 Angel's New Mission

    18:07 Critique and Discussion

    58:42 The Portrayal of Angel: Victim or Sinner?

    59:30 The Role of God in Angel's Journey

    01:00:05 The Hypocrisy of Redemption

    01:01:04 Angel's Struggle with Identity and Redemption

    01:01:38 The Absurdity of Character Names

    01:02:40 The Symbolism of Milk and Food

    01:04:50 Paul's Misogyny and Double Standards

    01:09:24 The Dark Reality of Duke's Character

    01:20:17 The Racism and Sexism in Evangelical Teachings

    01:33:40 The Impact of Purity Culture on Women

    01:46:13 Final Thoughts and Reflections


    311. PEE SOUP FOR THE SOUL with Stephanie Jul 16, 2025
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    In this episode of Bad Words, hosts Janice, Melanie, and Stephanie delve into the problematic aspects of chapters 28-30 of Redeeming Love.

    The conversation highlights key plot points, including Angel's traumatic past and her current struggles with identity and self-worth. The hosts critique the portrayal of Michael as a supposedly virtuous man despite his manipulative and controlling behavior, and they address the book's disturbing themes of child abuse, victim-blaming, and evangelical beliefs.

    The episode also explores the problematic representation of sex work and trafficking, and how the novel perpetuates harmful stereotypes and unhealthy dynamics. The hosts question Francine Rivers' choices in depicting trauma and scrutinize the underlying messages about women's roles and value in evangelical ideology. 00:00 Introduction and Recap 01:30 Meet the Hosts 03:42 Stephanie's First Encounter with the Book 05:54 Revisiting the Book in 2024 15:26 Angel's Journey and Struggles 18:15 Critique of Francine's Writing and Themes 52:59 Women Hating Women 53:20 Francine's Hatred for Angel 54:01 Angel's Father's Tragic End 54:15 Duke's Manipulation and Angel's Guilt 54:55 The Disturbing Story of Angel's Father 55:14 Angel's Struggle with Guilt and Blame 56:54 Biblical References and Twisted Morals 58:55 The Cycle of Abuse and Trafficking 01:08:05 Evangelicalism and Trauma Porn 01:28:22 The Church's Failure and Evangelical Hypocrisy 01:36:40 Final Thoughts and Critique of Francine Rivers


    310. THE BATS AND THE BEES with Marlaina Jul 04, 2025
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    In this episode Janice Lagata & Melanie, tackle chapters 25 through 27 of Redeeming Love and reflect on the broader cultural implications of the story with guest host Marlaina . The trio discusses the book's portrayal of gender roles, purity culture, and the dehumanizing nature of evangelical influences. They explore the convoluted relationships, historical inaccuracies, and the challenges of dealing with a narrative that intertwines romance with indoctrination.


    309. FOREHEAD OF A WHORE with Cheyanne May 21, 2025
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    In this episode of Bad Words, hosts Janice (janicelagata.com) and Melanie (@climbholamel), along with guest Cheyenne, dive deep into Francine Rivers' 'Redeeming Love'. They unpack the toxic relationships, patriarchal themes, and misinterpretations of biblical stories that permeate the novel. Through thoughtful critique and personal insights, they discuss how the novel mishandles issues of trauma, redemption, and agency, paying special attention to the misrepresentation of biblical characters like Gomer and Mary Magdalene. This episode provides a critical lens on Christian romance novels and their impact on readers.


    00:00 Introduction: Contrasting Lives

    00:19 Angel's New Life on the Farm

    00:48 Angel's Confession and Michael's Response

    01:13 Angel's Escape and Return

    01:30 Welcome to Bad Words

    02:08 Meet the Hosts and Guest

    02:58 Packing and Moving Stories

    07:18 Diving into Redeeming Love

    09:09 Chapters 22-24: Angel's Second Departure

    10:44 Analyzing Michael's Behavior

    16:26 Theological Reflections on Hosea

    50:49 Angel's Forced Marriage and Lost Choices

    52:08 The House of Magdalene Controversy

    54:21 Michael's Questionable Actions and Angel's Insecurities

    57:09 Miriam's Secret and Angel's Struggles

    01:02:30 Angel's Redemption and Francine's Narrative

    01:18:36 Christian Romance and Its Audience

    01:31:55 Final Thoughts and Reflections


    308. FATHERS, DAUGHTERS AND THE WORKS with Leslie May 07, 2025
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    Join Janice (@godhasnotiven), Melanie (@climbholamel) and Leslie (@leslie_delman) as they dive into chapters 19 -21 of ‘Redeeming Love’. This episode captures the ongoing drama of Michael and Angel's tumultuous relationship, the arrival of the sickeningly wholesome Altman family, and the deep-rooted issues stemming from Angel's dark past. The hosts hilariously scrutinize the depiction of Angel, Michael's misguided saintliness, and Francine's problematic portrayal of female sexuality. They also discuss personal stories about evolving perspectives on relationships, body autonomy, and raising kids in today's world. Tune in for a blend of humor, critique, and genuine moments of reflection.


    00:00 Introduction: Contrasting Lives

    00:12 Recap of Previous Events

    00:17 Michael and Angel's Journey

    00:42 Angel's Revelation and Miriam's Reaction

    00:51 Angel's Internal Struggles

    01:30 Welcome to Bad Words

    01:36 Hosts' Banter and Bird Talk

    03:18 Discussion on Flamingos

    04:35 Reflecting on 'Redeeming Love'

    05:22 Leslie's Introduction and Bird Metaphor

    06:34 Leslie's Experience with 'Redeeming Love'

    15:55 Angel's Emotional Journey

    16:57 Summary of Chapters 19-21

    26:48 Critique of 'Redeeming Love'

    33:58 God's Intervention and Story Pacing

    34:26 Character Dynamics and Plot Twists

    34:55 Family Drama and Tragic Backstories

    36:08 Exploring Themes of Guilt and Redemption

    40:06 Disturbing Revelations and Author Critique

    49:42 Purity Culture and Its Impact on Women

    01:02:56 Parenting and Teaching Body Autonomy

    01:14:52 Balancing Safety and Freedom in Parenting

    01:15:51 Healing Trauma and Raising Kids

    01:16:46 Personal Growth and Marriage

    01:18:15 Influence of Parents and Boundaries

    01:19:04 Acceptance and Family Dynamics

    01:21:13 Evangelicalism and Personal Beliefs

    01:34:45 Book Recommendations and Final Thoughts


    307. DECENT TO THE SLAVES with Karla Apr 02, 2025
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    Join hosts Janice (@godhasnotgiven) and Melanie (@climbholamel), with guest Karla (@holasoykarla), as they dive deep into chapters 16 to 18 of 'Redeeming Love' by Francine Rivers. They unmask the underlying themes about misogyny, autonomy, and the persistent stigmatization of women, while also discussing how the characters endure chaotic and undeserved challenges. The episode also covers the cultural and personal implications that stem from reading such works, tackling topics like purity culture, power dynamics, and the struggle for self-redemption amidst judgmental environments. The conversation is unfiltered, emotional, and sprinkled with humor. Tune in for an in-depth critique and a fresh perspective on this controversial classic.


    00:00 Introduction: Contrasting Lives

    00:18 Angel's Desperate Escape

    01:01 Michael's Chaotic Rescue

    01:30 Meet the Hosts: Bad Birds of Paradise

    04:13 Karla's Journey with Redeeming Love

    13:50 Michael and Angel's New Companions

    14:53 Discussing the Book's Themes and Characters

    38:23 The Burden of Purity Culture

    41:53 Society's Double Standards

    45:38 Power Dynamics and Evangelicalism

    48:12 The Struggle for Female Autonomy

    57:56 The Insidious Nature of Patriarchy

    01:11:15 Questioning Evangelical Beliefs

    01:18:28 Final Thoughts and Reflections


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