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    Backpacker Radio

    From the Appalachian Trail to the Pacific Crest and everything in between. Backpacker Radio is a show all about the wonderful world that is thru-hiking and long distance backpacking.

    Co-hosts, Zach “Badger” Davis and Juliana “Chaunce” Chauncey muse on the backpacking life and the latest from the trail every other week. Topics include but are not limited to news, trail culture, interviews, gear, advice, and all you can eat buffets.

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    #143 | Sophia "Wheelz" Garber Apr 04, 2022
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    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by former Trek Vlogger, Sophia "Wheelz" Garber. Wheelz was a member of the AT NOBO turned NOGO class of 2020, due to the pandemic- duh. Her shot at redemption didn't have to wait too long, as Sophia ended up completing her mission to hike the AT the very next year.

    We learn what it was like to be on trail during the early days of the pandemic, how it felt to deal with social media trolls when trying to decide whether to stay or go (and the challenge of even getting off trail), the role Sophia's recently deceased friend played in her motivation to hike, and how thru-hiking compared to Sophia's 4,000-mile bikepacking trip just a couple years prior.

    Things fall off the rails a bit in the segments, as we answer a couple of listener voicemail questions, do a triple crown of thru-hiker no-no's, and a listener accuses Chaunce of having stinky privates.

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    Interview with Sophia "Wheelz" Garber

    • Sophia's Instagram
    • Be the Sun Design Co Instagram
    • Be the Sun Design Co Website
    • First Descents Website
    • Sophia's Hiker? I Barely Know Her Shirt

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:04:39 - QOTD: Are there more doors or wheels in the entire world?

    00:10:41 - BPR Announcements: Asheville Meetup Location May 11, 6:30pm

    00:11:55 - Introducing Sophia

    00:13:48 - Tell us about your cross-country bike adventure.

    00:15:12 - What group did you bike with?

    00:17:02 - Awkward silence.

    00:17:12 - What would you pick between being on foot or being on a bike?

    00:20:28 - Did you know anyone going into the bike ride?

    00:21:07 - What if someone wants to quit?

    00:21:57 - What kind of roads did you bike on?

    00:22:15 - Was there any carryover between your biking gear and your hiking gear?

    00:23:55 - Were there trail names on the bike ride?

    00:24:35 - What would your next long bike ride be?

    00:25:08 - Did the ride feel rushed at all?

    00:26:04 - At what point did you realize you wanted to do the AT?

    00:29:40 - Tell us about starting the AT on March 15, 2020.

    00:30:38 - Discussion about getting off trail.

    00:33:40 - Tell us about being on the receiving end of social media comments?

    00:36:25 - What were the vibes on trail before you got off?

    00:39:02 - Did you know right away that you'd re-attempt the trail the next year?

    00:41:02 - Tell us more about Cristal and fundraising for the Ulman House.

    00:46:38 - What led you to working for the Ulman House?

    00:49:37 - Have you heard of the program First Descents?

    00:50:18 - What was your fundraising goal?

    00:53:21 - Having started the trail twice, did you prepare any differently the second time?

    00:54:01 - What did it feel like to do horrible climbs twice at the start of the AT?

    00:55:12 - What was your experience vlogging on trail?

    00:56:40 - What was your editing practice and how long did editing take?

    00:58:10 - Did you ever get weird comments?

    01:00:31 - How often did you hike alone?

    01:03:00 - Tell us your poop story.

    01:07:30 - Tell us about aqua blazing.

    01:11:55 - What's another not boring story?

    01:14:35 - Tell us about your woodburning side hustle.

    01:16:14 - Where can people find your site?

    01:17:49 - Did you go to school for art?

    01:18:20 - Discussion about stick and poke tattoos.

    01:19:40 - Tell us about your upcoming hiking plans.

    01:21:10 - Thank you!

    SEGMENTS

    Shaming Chaunce

    Trek Propaganda

    • Thru-Hiking with a Partner? Save Weight (and Money) by Sharing Gear by Kelly Floro

    Listener Voicemails

    Triple Crown of thru-hiker no-no's

    Mail Bag

    5 Star Review

    Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross.

    Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play.

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    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.


    #142 | Peter Bergman Mar 28, 2022
    Show notes

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Peter Bergman. In a nutshell, Peter is the ultimate wildcard. His hiking resume, which includes a completed section hike of the PCT and a cross country hike from his front door in Denver to Mt. of the Holy Cross- doesn't even begin to tell his story. We learn about the life of an art professor, some of most ridiculous projects, which toes the line between art and prank, and his latest release, PaCT, a series of projects related to his two-part section hike of the PCT, the first chunk as a 23-year-old, and the rest at twice the age of 46. Chaunce and Badger were thoroughly entertained during this one, you will be too.

    We wrap the show with a special triple crown, Elise edition, some surprise birthday wishes to Chaunce - including a voicemail that had us LMAO'ing, and much more.

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    Interview with Peter Bergman

    • An Address: Institute of Sociometry
    • is PRESS Website
    • is PRESS Instagram
    • PaCT Website
    • PaCT Report Instagram

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:04:38 - QOTD: What is something every junk drawer must have in order to be considered a proper junk drawer?

    00:09:03 - BPR Announcements: Denver Hiker Meetup April 5, New Intern

    00:13:30 - Introducing Peter

    00:13:36 - What's your elevator pitch?

    00:14:53 - Tell us about being a professor.

    00:15:54 - What percentage of your students would you say are garbage people?

    00:16:58 - What is your favorite course to teach?

    00:17:57 - What's the most memorable art project you've seen while teaching?

    00:20:20 - What's your take on the Van Gogh exhibit?

    00:20:51 - What's your take on Meow Wolf?

    00:21:51 - What's your overall experience as an artist?

    00:27:18 - Would you say there's a theme among Cabriolet owners?

    00:28:33 - Tell us about the postcards.

    00:31:49 - How did you not get shot?

    00:33:28 - How do you differentiate between art and entertainment?

    00:33:58 - What's the name of the documentary?

    00:34:38 - What was it like during/in the pre-Jackass, Southern California, skate-punk scene?

    00:36:20 - What about skateboarding created that culture?

    00:38:17 - What's your take on Jackass?

    00:38:57 - Discussion about free library project.

    00:43:38 - Are you currently in the midst of any pranks?

    00:51:15 - Tell us about the PCT section in 1996.

    00:55:10 - Discussion about deciding to finish the trail in 2019.

    00:56:06 - Discussion about hike from Denver to Mt. Holy Cross.

    00:56:40 - How much of that route was off-trail vs. on roads?

    00:56:58 - Discussion about returning to the PCT in 2019.

    00:57:17 - How do Peter and Elise know each other?

    00:58:25 - How did you end up with two feet of Dylan's hair around your neck?

    00:59:25 - Discussion about the hair collection.

    01:02:16 - Discussion about the time capsule.

    01:08:10 - Discussion about getting off trail in 1996.

    01:12:14 - With your exciting hobbies off-trail, how did you keep yourself entertained on trail?

    01:16:06 - As someone who is a professor, how would you assign an on-trail project to hikers as if they were students?

    01:19:27 - Walk us through the flipbook, zine, and book.

    01:21:25 - Discussion about book printing.

    01:24:20 - Discussion about the time between 1996 and 2019.

    01:25:09 - How did your dad respond to the book?

    01:25:34 - How many books are left?

    01:25:53 - Discussion about badgers.

    01:28:29 - Tell us about the snowstorm.

    01:34:20 - Discussion about completing the trail in 2019.

    01:37:12 - What were the primary differences between the two hikes?

    01:41:43 - What was your gear like in 1996?

    01:43:57 - What's your poop story?

    01:49:22 - Thank you!

    SEGMENTS

    Trek Propaganda

    • Matthew "Odie" Norman to Retire from Hiker Yearbook Project by Penina Satlow

    Triple Crown of Elise

    Chaunce's Birthday Well-Wishes

    5 Star Review

    [divider]

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    Advertise on Backpacker Radio

    Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram.

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    A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Matt Soukup, and Jason Snailer.

    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.


    #141 | Andy Laub Mar 21, 2022
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    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Andy Laub. Andy is a thru-hiker, documentarian, cinematographer, director, editor, visual effects artist...basically all things under the sun dealing with making videos. His work has been featured on the Discovery Channel, National Geographic, BBC World, Amazon Prime, Hulu & PBS World Channel. His first trail documentary, As It Happens, has more than a million views on YouTube. We chat all about his backpacking career, what goes into a professional video production, juggling his adventures while being a parent of two youngsters, and we go deep on his latest project, THRU, a six-part series featuring his 2018 thru-hike of the Pacific Northwest Trail. Whether you nerd out on video stuff or not, I guarantee you'll enjoy this chat. It's a fun one.

    We wrap the show with a more formal announcement of the winner of the Backpacker Radio Sponsorship, we get a fan submission patent-pending about drinking sunscreen, and do a triple crown of thru-hiking phrases, clichés, and acronyms.

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    Interview with Andy Laub

    • Watch THRU here
    • @thru_film on Instagram
    • @laub.films on Instagram
    • andylaubfilms.com
    • @pjoart on Instagram

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:06:22 - QOTD: Do you Wordle?

    00:10:12 - BPR Announcements: Trail Days Road Trip & Meetup Location

    00:14:56 - Introducing Andy Laub

    00:15:20 - Where'd you get into backpacking?

    00:17:42 - What was your AT start date?

    00:18:35 - Did you start at the stars?

    00:19:41 - When you're stuck, do you think like a film narrator?

    00:20:01 - Were you in front of or behind the camera?

    00:20:56 - Discussion of on-camera hand gestures and film angles

    00:22:14 - Is there a bubble in February on the AT?

    00:23:05 - What research did you do pre-trail?

    00:24:30 - Tell us about meeting your first trail friend.

    00:25:33 - Tell us about The Dusty Camel.

    00:27:02 - Tell us about your time at the Discovery Channel.

    00:28:45 - What's Ian's background at this point?

    00:29:14 - Was the idea for the PCT film first or the idea to hike?

    00:29:25 - Tell us about the PCT in 2011.

    00:32:10 - What was your film equipment and how heavy was it?

    00:32:35 - How do you decide who films what?

    00:34:06 - Is it tough to capture both the highs and the lows?

    00:36:53 - Is it harder for you to be in front of or behind the camera?

    00:38:19 - What doors did As It Happens open for you?

    00:39:16 - How did the National Geographic Society project come about?

    00:41:05 - How did you go from As It Happens to the production value of THRU?

    00:43:22 - What other equipment do you have on trail?

    00:44:39 - Discussion about the cinematography and camera gear of THRU.

    00:47:48 - What was the secret videography weapon Chaunce brought on the AT?

    00:48:28 - What's the process of making a documentary?

    00:51:22 - Are you recording your flashbacks while hiking?

    00:52:18 - Are you directing all of the footage on trail?

    00:53:40 - Do you decide what you want the scenes to look like while hiking?

    00:57:09 - How do you keep everyone on the same page?

    01:00:16 - Do you need to have a lot of patience or social awareness?

    01:03:07 - How did you put the group together?

    01:04:44 - What packs did you use?

    01:07:47 - Discussion about the group dynamic.

    01:09:40 - Discussion about square tarps and gear weight.

    01:10:03 - Is there a way to lighten heavy camera equipment?

    01:11:27 - What are your three top tips to take something amateur and make it look high class?

    01:14:34 - If you could go back and critique As It Happens, what feedback would you give?

    01:16:16 - Are there ever moments you wish you could have captured on camera?

    01:19:25 - What is THRU?

    01:22:46 - Did you have any crazy grizzly encounters or oh shit moments?

    01:27:25 - Do death-defying moments hit differently now that you have kids?

    01:31:37 - Who does the graphics in THRU?

    01:33:20 - What's the dumbest thing you did on the hike?

    01:34:12 - Discussion about the PNT's trail types, usage, and season/weather window.

    01:37:11 - Did you miss any miles?

    01:37:56 - What's your full trail resume?

    01:38:25 - What are some of the films you made between trails?

    01:41:56 - How do you maintain your positivity in the face of climate change?

    01:43:34 - Discussion about climate change.

    01:48:22 - What's your dream project?

    01:51:30 - Were you on the fence about bringing a drone?

    01:53:45 - Discussion about the future of the PNT and value of the National Scenic Trails.

    01:56:54 - How can people watch THRU?

    01:58:43 - Will there be a season 2?

    02:01:25 - Lobster facts!

    02:04:17 - Discussion about trees.

    02:06:00 - Thank you!

    SEGMENTS

    Trek Propaganda

    • Tell Us Your Story: How Has Thru-Hiking Changed Your Life?
    • Meet the Winner of the 2022 Backpacker Radio Sponsorship!

    Listener Voicemail

    Triple Crown of hiking catchphrases/lingo

    5 Star Review

    Trail Days

    [divider]

    Check out our sound guy @paulyonthedrums

    Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play.

    Support us on Patreon to get bonus content.

    Advertise on Backpacker Radio

    Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram.

    Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.

    Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.

    A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Matt Soukup, and Jason Snailer.

    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.


    #140 | Hiking the Appalachian Trail pt 2: How to Train, Dangerous Wildlife, and More Mar 14, 2022
    Show notes

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are running back the Appalachian Trail panel. This time, your favorite cinnamon connection are working in tandem to share some more of their top, trail-tested advice for hiking the AT. This includes how to prevent against the biggest threat presented by the Trail, the right resupply strategy (or lack thereof), how to train for the Trail, and much more.

    We wrap the show with a triple crown of traits you'd want in a hiking partner and we chat about some of our favorite down jacket options.

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    AT Panel with Chaunce & Badger

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:03:48 - QOTD: How do you feel about mint chocolate chip ice cream?

    00:10:40 - BPR Announcements: WE ARE GOING TO TRAIL DAYS!

    00:13:10 - Badger Tip #1: Permethrin your clothes!

    00:19:34 - Chaunce Tip #1: Give shelters a shot

    00:23:47 - Badger Tip #2: Dry out your gear

    00:25:21 - Don't worry about tidying your pack

    00:26:52 - Chaunce Tip #2: Train vertically

    00:28:34 - Alternatives to stair stepper machines

    00:30:38 - Why running isn't enough training for the AT

    00:31:47 - Badger Tip #3: Don't pre-plan resupplies on the AT

    • Food planning for the A.T.

    00:40:22 - Chaunce Tip #3: Instead of researching sights, research trail towns and history

    00:44:29 - Be sure to have a seasoned hiker give you a shake down

    00:49:15 - Panel wrap up

    SEGMENTS

    Trek Propaganda:

    • Best down jackets for thru-hiking by Kelly Floro

    Join The Trek Newsletter (see bottom of webpage)

    Triple Crown of traits you want in a hiking partner

    Listener Voicemails

    5 Star Review

    Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross.

    Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play.

    Support us on Patreon to get bonus content.

    Advertise on Backpacker Radio

    Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram.

    Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.

    Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.

    A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, and Matt Soukup.

    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.


    #139 | David "AWOL" Miller Mar 07, 2022
    Show notes

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by David "AWOL" Miller. If you know anything about the AT, then that name is likely already familiar to you as AWOL is the author of not one but TWO of the most popular books related to the Trail, including Miller's Memoir, "AWOL on the Appalachian Trail", and "The AT Guide" which AWOL has since sold. We talk all about Miller's writing process, the incredible amount of work that went into bringing The AT Guide to life, why he decided to sell the guidebook to Anti Gravity Gear, what he's been up to since, and much more

    We close out the show with a chaotic series of segments, including a triple crown of grocery store aisles followed by listener voicemails which somehow devolves into a conversation about the Mason Dixon line of sperm potency.

    But first.

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    Interview with David "AWOL" Miller sponsored by Good To-Go

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:05:32 -QOTD: What's the worst recent injury you've sustained?And… What is your weird pet peeve?

    00:10:02 - BPR Announcements: Badger Sponsorship Results, Internship Apps have closed, & Trail Days

    00:12:45 - Introducing David "AWOL" Miller

    00:13:05 - How much trail press have you done?

    00:13:44 - Who were you before you became "AWOL"?

    00:15:06 - What was your hiking experience prior to hiking the AT?

    00:16:02 - Were you in Florida prior to your AT hike?

    00:16:42 - Are there any mountains in Florida?

    00:18:00 - What was the official title of your guide?

    00:18:27 - Any favorite stories from your journey?

    00:19:53 - What was the AT culture like in 2003?

    00:21:56 - Did you plan on writing your memoir prior to the hike?

    00:23:06 - Did you save the newspaper clippings?

    00:23:17 - Did you use your articles in the memoir?

    00:24:33 - Do you have a specific writing methodology?

    00:25:40 - Was it challenging to open up in your memoir?

    00:26:43 - What were your thoughts on "A Walk in the Woods"?

    00:28:10 - Is your book the second most popular of AT books?

    00:30:48 - What was the writing process like?

    00:35:33 - How did the partnership with Amazon work?

    00:37:14 - What goes into a good guide book?

    00:40:20 - What are the logistical steps to make a guide happen?

    00:41:31 - Are you using a digital mapping system?

    00:42:20 - How did you approach all the changes that happen to the trail?

    00:44:08 - What does it take to get the non-technical information

    00:46:56 - What percentage of the year was dedicated to guide research?

    00:47:37 - Tell us about selling the guidebook

    00:49:28 - How did you see the book evolve?

    00:52:48 - Tell us about your other hobbies (golfing, ballroom dancing, etc.)

    00:54:09 - Future book topics

    00:55:20 - What's your exercise routine like these days?

    00:57:23 - What does the new digital guide look like?

    00:59:55 - What's your take on what the next big thing will be for trail guides?

    01:03:05 - What are you focusing on now these days?

    01:04:52 - Thank you!

    SEGMENTS

    Trek Propaganda:

    • ZOLEO Satellite Communicator Reviewby Carl Stanfield
    • Rough Start to Your Thru-Hike? It Could Be Because of Your Diet by Terry "Finder" Rice

    Voicemail Segment: Leave us one here!

    Triple Crown of grocery store aisles

    Mail Bag

    Thank you again, Good To-Go! Try Zach's favorite, Mushroom Risotto,and use code "bpr25" at checkout for 25% off.

    [divider]

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    Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes(and please leave us a review)! Find us onSpotify,Stitcher, andGoogle Play.

    Support us on Patreonto get bonus content.

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    FollowThe Trek,Chaunce,Badger, and Trail Correspondentson Instagram.

    FollowThe TrekandChaunceon YouTube.

    Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.

    A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, and Matt Soukup.

    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.


    #138 | Hiking the AT: How to Prepare, Reduce Pack Weight, and Transition Post Trail Feb 28, 2022
    Show notes

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are talking all things Appalachian Trail (drink?). Everybody's favorite honorary third co-host, Jabba, joins us in a roundtable of tips we would offer someone looking to take on a long distance backpacking trip on the AT (drink). We touch on budgeting tips, ways to reduce your pack weight, advice for ensuring you complete your goal, insight on how to transition post-trail, and much more.

    We round out the show with a triple crown of dance moves, some fast facts from the AT Class of 2021, and a fun announcement about the cinnamon connection's very own visit to the AT this year (drink).

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    AT Panel with Chaunce, Badger, & Jabba

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:05:08 - QOTD: What is the correct thermostat temperature for sleeping?

    00:11:13 - BPR Announcements: We'll be at Trail Days!

    00:12:23 - Introducing the AT Panel

    00:13:28 - Badger''s Tip #1: For NOBOs, earlier start dates may be favorable but southern Appalachia weather may not agree

    00:21:05 - AT hiking experience

    00:22:13 - Chaunce's Tip #1: Avoid the town experiences in the beginning, so you can slow down later on the trail

    00:25:04 - Jabba's Tip #1: Have some type of game-plan for post-trail life

    00:31:06 - Badger''s Tip #2: Mentally prepare yourself for the hike

    00:34:15 - Did your "Why?" ever changed on a hike?

    00:34:54 - What was your "why" for the PCT in comparison to the AT?

    00:44:06 - Chaunce's Tip #2: Keep a stricter budget

    00:44:57 - How do we feel about hiker "Go Fund Me" pages?

    00:54:44 - Jabba's Tip #2: Figure out your footwear

    01:02:53 - Badger''s Tip #3: You don't need as much water on the AT

    01:11:45 - Chaunce's Tip #3: Strategize your days around the rain, when convenient

    01:14:11 - If you're going to hike the AT, get Verizon!

    01:15:25 - Let's family/friends know when you won't be having service

    01:16:47 - Jabba's Tip #3: Experience the social bubble & allow yourself to pivot

    01:19:20 - Panel wrap-up, thanks Jabba!

    SEGMENTS

    Trek Propaganda:

    • TLDR: Summarizing the 2021 Appalachian Trail Thru Hiker Survey (Plus Hikers' Favorite Sections of the Trail) by Joal & Jenny

    Triple Crown of dance moves

    5 Star Review

    "Love is Blind" Debrief

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    #137 | Andrew Skurka 3.0 Feb 17, 2022
    Show notes

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, Andrew Skurka returns! Again. In studio. Not that you need any convincing to continue listening, but this chat starts normal and devolves into Chaunce tricking him into saying that he'll do sexual things a bug. We also talk about the new normal of backpacking in the West, we learn about the Skurka Scholarship, and we get a detailed overview of the backcountry bidet butt cleaning technique. This one has it all.

    We do a triple crown of reality tv shows, share the sad news of the passing of a beloved PCT trail angel, and give a last call for our internship application.

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    Interview with Andrew Skurka

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:04:41 - QOTD: What is everyone binging on Netflix right now?

    00:12:24 - Reminders: Internship opportunity

    00:14:16 - Introducing Andrew Skurka

    00:14:57 - What has changed for you since 2021?

    00:17:20 - How many minutes a mile do you average?

    00:17:58 - How does your passion for running compare to your thru-hiking?

    00:19:18 - What does your off season look like?

    00:19:50 - Are you wrecked after one of these marathons?

    00:21:05 - How many miles are you averaging a week?

    00:21:42 - How do you break up your miles throughout the week?

    00:22:23 - Why do you prefer road running?

    00:22:58 - Has running dulled your excitement for long distance hiking?

    00:25:51 - Do you use the van on guiding trips?

    00:27:00 - The Guiding Business

    00:28:52 - Is there a limit to your trips?

    00:30:37 - What makes a good guide?

    00:31:40 - What becomes stressful during the trips?

    00:33:11 - What happened in 2014?

    00:36:42 - Tell us about the guiding services you offer

    00:37:30 - What's the most difficult aspect of a guiding business?

    00:38:27 - What does the Olympic Mountains trip have that others don't?

    00:41:21 - What factors do you take into account for trip cancellations?

    00:42:54 - Do you think forest closures will becomes more and more common?

    00:44:50 - Do you think strict fire-starting rules will be put into place?

    00:45:40 - How do you feel about the condition of the West?

    00:47:00 - Where are you house hunting?

    00:49:42 - What's your advice for CDT and PCT SOBOs?

    00:51:45 - Do you think hikers need to strengthen snow skills?

    00:52:24 - Which of your new trips are you most excited about?

    00:53:11 - What do you look for when you scout out a new trip?

    00:53:48 - Do you plan bailouts?

    00:54:19 - What are the deadlines for applying for your trips?

    00:54:45 - How many applications do you commonly receive?

    00:55:36 - Do you use waitlists?

    00:57:17 - How do you weed out applicants?

    00:59:50 - Guide Hiring

    01:02:21- What got you interested in birding?

    01:04:32 - Skurka Scholarship

    01:05:43 - Diversity of guiding trips

    01:09:13 - Skurka Scholarship deadline - Feb 21st

    01:10:48 - Thoughts on gear innovation

    01:16:30 - What are your thoughts on inReach Mini 2?

    01:22:22 - What other categories have innovation opportunities?

    01:24:26 - What's your least favorite flying insect?

    01:25:24 - Fuck, Marry, Kill: Insect version

    01:27:36 - Anything else gear-related?

    01:29:45 - State of content-websites

    01:32:26 - How do affiliate links?

    01:34:45 - What's the future of content websites?

    01:36:49 - Voicemail Listener Questions - Backcountry bidet etiquette

    01:46:59 - Listener Question - High Sierra in a high snow year

    01:47:18 - Listener Question - High route development

    01:48:38 - Listener Question - Who does Skurka follow in the outdoor space?

    01:50:48 - Find Andrew Skurka: www.andrewskurka.com

    SEGMENTS

    Trek Propaganda:

    • (Almost) Every PCT Town, Ranked by Taylor Bell
    • Sympathies to the Jerry Dinsmore family

    Triple Crown of reality tv shows

    5 Star Reviews

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    #136 | Ryan "Constantine" Bunting Feb 14, 2022
    Show notes

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Ryan Bunting, known on trail as Constantine. Constantine may already be a familiar name, as he was recently featured on a Trek Propaganda segment about becoming the youngest person to hike all 11 National Scenic Trails at the age of 27 years. He put a bow on the achievement by setting the Fastest Known Time on the North Country Trail alongside his girlfriend, Magpie.

    Seeing that this is a Valentine's Day episode, we go deep into the origin story of Constantine and Magpie's relationship, we get a rundown on which were his favorite and least favorite National Scenic Trails and why, and a hilariously awkward poop story.

    We wrap the show with an almost announcement of the winner of the Backpacker Radio Sponsorship winner, the triple crown of national scenic trails, and the odd ways in which Chaunce and I are attempting to stay fit.

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    Interview with Ryan "Constantine" Bunting

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:07:33 - QOTD: Are you training for hiking season yet?

    00:19:08 - Reminders: The BPR Sponsorship recipient has been chosen & internship opportunity reminder

    00:24:10 - Welcome Constantine!

    00:24:52 - Do you know how many miles you've accrued?

    00:25:20 - When did you get started hiking?

    00:26:00 - What are the National Scenic Trails?

    00:27:28 - When did you fall in love with the long trails?

    00:28:37 - Did you hike them in the traditional order?

    00:28:45 - Did you know you wanted to do all 11?

    00:30:25 - Did you know you could become the youngest to complete them all?

    00:31:18 - How many people have completed them all?

    00:33:20 - Tell us about the Potomac Trail

    00:35:45 - Fuck, Marry, Kill: PCT, AT, or CDT

    00:36:00 - What 3 scenic trails would you get rid of?

    00:37:33 - What's the rest of the chronology?

    00:39:37 - How many miles was that in 2021?

    00:41:44 - What's your take on the Florida Trail?

    00:42:50 - How many alligators did you see?

    00:44:08 - What made you swear off the state of Alabama in 2019?

    00:45:28 - Any other details on the Potamac hike?

    00:46:45 - Did you end up doing 35s on these trails?

    00:47:40 - What food issues did you have on trail?

    00:47:46 - What did you change with your food strategy?

    00:51:05 - Given you experience, how did the transition to the NCT go?

    00:52:07 - Did you hike the trail westbound?

    00:52:23 - When did you start the NCT?

    00:53:17 - Does snow deter you?

    00:55:52 - Did you have a satellite communicator with you during the hypothermia scare?

    00:56:40 - Do you recall what you were wearing?

    00:56:56 - Walk us through the hypothermic experience

    01:00:08 - The Magpie love story

    01:12:55 - Can you compare your relationship on trail vs. off trail?

    01:14:47 - What were the highlights of the NCT?

    01:17:39 - Have you been able to pinpoint the timeframe between hiking and getting the bug to hike again?

    01:18:36 - What do you enjoy about the non-stop hiking?

    01:20:30 - Do you go out of your way to talk to locals?

    01:21:44 - How are you able to fund these hikes?

    01:22:50 - What's your company? ElevenSkys

    01:23:45 - How do you go about starting an apparel company?

    01:26:26 - What's your go-to pair of shorts?

    01:26:38 - Tell us your 2022 hiking plans

    01:29:30 - The Donut Story

    01:31:48 - Constantine's Poop Story

    01:33:58 - Find Constantine here: ElevenSkys, Instagram

    SEGMENTS

    Trek Propaganda:

    • Hearing Gunfire on the AT Near Hawk Mountain? Don't Worry, That's Normal
    • Trevor Spikes Program to Ship Discounted Microspikes to PCT Hikers in Memory of Trevor Laher

    Triple Crown of National Scenic Trails

    Mail Bag

    5 Star Reviews

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    #135 | Hiking the PCT: Logistics, Preparation, & Gear Advice Feb 01, 2022
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    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, we are diving into all things Pacific Crest Trail related. This is another panel featuring our hero and fellow PCT hiker, Elise Ott aka Sauce, and in it we share our best advice in regards to training, logistical prep, gear advice, ideal start dates, pacing, dealing with extreme temperatures, and much more. If you're planning a long-distance trek on the PCT, whether a section hike or a thru, you will glean valuable insights from this one. We wrap the show with a slew of segments in celebration of Backpacker Radio turning four years old, including some trivia, a listener voicemail, Trek propaganda, and more.

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    PCT Panel with Chaunce, Badger, & Sauce

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:05:45 - QOTD: What's been your most iconic moment of Backpacker Radio over the past 4 years?

    00:12:13 - Reminders: Elise's Announcement & Internship Opportunity

    00:18:30 - Mara thinks she's fired

    00:27:35 - Introducing the PCT Panel

    00:21:16 - Chaunce's Tip #1: No bulking seasons

    00:38:00 - Elise's Tip #1: Don't over plan

    00:43:27 - Zach's Tip #1: 3 steps to prep

    00:49:20 - Zach's Southbound Advice: It's all about timing

    00:52:38 - Having a good diet on-trail

    00:53:52 - Zach's healthy hiking food recommendations

    00:59:48 - Chaunce's Tip #2: Shipping food on PCT

    01:04:50 - Packing out morale-boosting snacks/drinks

    01:08:15 - Elise's Tip #2: PCT start dates

    01:14:20 - Elise's snow experience in September

    01:20:30 - Zach's Tip #2: Heat Training

    01:29:37 - Electrolytes in the desert

    01:32:00 - Gear Setups

    01:32:14 - What tents did everyone use?

    01:43:33 - What's everyone's sleep system?

    02:00:40 - What backpacks did everyone use?

    02:10:40 - Is the BPR crew outdated with their gear?

    02:21:00 - Voicemail Question: What's your opinion on PCT resupplying?

    02:30:38 - Elise's advice for a snow year: collaborate with a group

    SEGMENTS

    BPR's Top 10 Cities

    Countries w/ 1 BPR Download

    4 Year Trivia Answers

    • Dragonfly = 4 weeks, Houseflies = 4 months, Guinea Pig = 4 years
    • Who is the 4th richest American? Larry Ellison of Oracle
    • What hike did Jabba complete in 2018? Colorado Trail
    • You have $4 for a meal, what do you buy?

    4-Themed Trek Propaganda Articles

    • Four Reasons Why I Will Thru-Hike the A.T. at Forty by Heather Oconnell
    • Four Things I Will Never Hike Without Again by Claire Dumont
    • Our Colorado Trail Gear Lists: The Big Four by Kate Houston

    5 Star Review

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    #134 | Rolf Gunnar Asphaug Jan 25, 2022
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    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Rolf Gunnar Asphaug. Rolf's adventuring career started in 1987 when he quit his cushy job as a lawyer, and set off to backpack from Tuscon, Arizona to Portland, Oregon on a route he devised using a Rand McNally road atlas. We of course go deep into this epic journey- we also learn all about the Colorado Mountain Club, for which Rolf used to serve as the organization's president, his time volunteering for Jefferson Country Open Space and a number of Colorado state parks, and we touch on Rolf's Colorado Trail thru-hike last year at the age of 62.

    We wrap the show with a triple crown of pizza toppings, and we introduce a pair of new segments- what's in a trail name, and listener voicemails!

    But first.

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    Interview with Rolf

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:04:06 - QOTD: What's the most uncommon/odd meal you've had on trail?

    00:07:24 - Reminders: BPR Sponsorship & Internship Opportunity

    00:10:58 - Welcome Rolf!

    00:11:29 - What was your career prior to getting into backpacking?

    00:15:40 - The start of Rolf's cross country adventure

    00:16:11 - Did you save up for this trip?

    00:19:40 - Did you avoid the interstates?

    00:20:15 - What was hitchhiking like in 1987?

    00:22:10 - Was Zion covered in the Atlas?

    00:23:33 - Raisins

    00:24:10 - How did you navigate through Zion National Park?

    00:24:45 - Post-Zion Events

    00:26:22 - Did you ever stay in hotels/motels?

    00:27:25 - How did people react when you told them what you were doing?

    00:28:09 - Passing through Yosemite

    00:29:44: - How do you coordinate meeting up with people on this trip? Pay phones?

    00:30:40 - Did you have a specific time frame?

    00:31:17 - Did you have awareness of the PCT at that time?

    00:32:00 - Which way did you go up Mt. Whitney?

    00:32:26 - Did you have the entire route written up?

    00:33:11 - Were permits needed yet?

    00:33:43 - Did Half Dome have cables then?

    00:36:24 - Do you remember your route through San Francisco?

    00:38:22 - Did you hike in boots?

    00:38:54 - Long Peak Trail Runners

    00:40:06 - Was this life changing for you?

    00:40:36 - Did you think you were going back to being a lawyer after this?

    00:42:18 - Journaling a thru-hike

    00:43:17 - How did you path shift after this hike?

    00:46:55 - Colorado Outward Bound

    00:53:03 - Rolf's Trophies

    00:53:45 - Rolf getting creative in court

    00:57:34 - How do you think Denver is doing with mass transit?

    01:00:35 - Rolf's volunteering experience

    01:01:48 - How did you meet your wife?

    01:06:04 - Tell us about the Colorado Mountain Club

    01:08:11 - What did you do as President?

    01:10:12 - What other classes does the CMC offer?

    01:11:45 - What does the membership go for?

    01:12:56 - How long were you President for CMC?

    01:15:26 - Volunteering for Jefferson County, CO

    01:18:15 - What is bark patrol?

    01:21:54 - How much trash do you pick up on average?

    01:22:31 - Cleanliness of CO parks

    01:25:34 - How many people are employees vs. volunteers?

    01:27:05 - Do you know what parks have foxtails?

    01:28:02 - In which park are you most likely to see mountain lions?

    01:32:00 - Tell us about your Colorado Trail experience

    01:38:18 - Durston Gear

    01:40:22 - Chaunce hiking with Harper

    01:42:24 - Leo Fact from Zach

    01:43:24 - What was your sobering experience at Cascade Creek?

    01:49:20 - Thank you, Rolf!

    01:50:58 - Find Rolf on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube

    SEGMENTS

    Trek Propaganda

    • 8 Things I'm Excited to Do to Attempt a More Sustainable Thru-hike by Rachel Shoemaker

    Triple Crown of Pizza Toppings

    What's in a Trail Name?

    BPR Voicemails

    • URL: sayhi.chat/bpr

    5 Star Review

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