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    Backpacker Radio

    From the Appalachian Trail to the Pacific Crest and everything in between. Backpacker Radio is a show all about the wonderful world that is thru-hiking and long distance backpacking.

    Co-hosts, Zach “Badger” Davis and Juliana “Chaunce” Chauncey muse on the backpacking life and the latest from the trail every other week. Topics include but are not limited to news, trail culture, interviews, gear, advice, and all you can eat buffets.

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    #169 | Kylie Yang on Ridgerunning on the AT, Working for the CDTC, and Giving Back through Trail Work Oct 03, 2022
    Show notes

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, guest co-host Steven Shattuck aka Twinkle and yours truly are joined by Kylie Yang. Kylie is a Field Programs Manager at the Continental Divide Trail Coalition, a thru-hiker, a former AT ridgerunner, and overall a wealth of knowledge regarding all things pertaining to the great outdoors. We chat about Kylie's foray into the world of thru-hiking, what being an Appalachian Trail ridgerunner looks like- including being called "an overly tattooed, hipster slut" by an angry hiker, and we learn all about her present-day role with the Continental Divide Trail Coalition and the challenges of getting volunteers to remote sections of the trail.

    We wrap the show with a triple crown of conspiracies you maybe buy into a little, useful items you'll likely find in a hiker box, new gear that we've been digging over the last season or two, what hitchhiking on the AT really looks like, and much more.

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    [divider]

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    Interview with Kylie Yang

    • Kylie's Instagram
    • The Bridge Project
    • Continental Divide Trail Coalition

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:05:16 - QOTD: What does today's guest's dad do for a living?

    00:06:13 - Reminder 1: Apply to be a blogger for 2023!

    00:06:31 - Reminder 2: Please subscribe!

    00:07:04 - Introducing Kylie

    00:07:54 - Discussion about growing up in southeastern Virginia/Yorktown

    00:09:15 - How did you get into the outdoors?

    00:11:08 - How did you transition to thru-hiking?

    00:13:40 - Did you have a partner when you hiked?

    00:14:52 - Tell us about your social experience on the AT.

    00:16:25 - What's your favorite story from your AT hike?

    00:19:05 - Tell us another AT story!

    00:21:02 - What was it like to hike through the places you grew up?

    00:23:03 - What is a ridgerunner, for those who don't know?

    00:24:17 - Tell us about bears in New Jersey.

    00:26:56 - Tell us about your tattoos!

    00:30:06 - What's the most common fuckup you see hikers making?

    00:31:03 - Discussion about Kylie's job setup

    00:32:33 - Tell us about the interplay between you and thru-hikers.

    00:35:24 - What's a regular day in the life of a ridgerunner?

    00:36:45 - Were you trained in how to educate people?

    00:39:27 - What's the weirdest trash you collected?

    00:40:34 - Discussion about becoming a ridgerunner, the salary, and tips for interested people

    00:43:44 - What's the most common way people went against LNT practices?

    00:46:10 - Tell us about the Long Path!

    00:48:42 - Why did you hike in winter?

    00:50:01 - How long would it take the average person to hike the Long Path?

    00:51:03 - Why the Long Path?

    00:53:14 - More discussion about section hiking the Long Path in the winter

    00:56:57 - Tell us about working for the Continental Divide Trail Coalition.

    00:58:25 - Tell us about the Bridge Project.

    01:00:00 - Shoe tangents

    01:01:43 - What would you tell people looking to get into trail work?

    01:02:12 - Is there a difference between volunteering out east and in the Rockies?

    01:03:57 - Tell us about the type of work you do and what is most rewarding.

    01:05:30 - Discussion about the openings at the CDTC.

    01:07:20 - What's been the most exciting project in Colorado?

    01:08:05 - Discussion about qualifications and incentives for volunteering

    01:13:20 - Discussion about trail adopters

    01:15:52 - How much of the trail is adopted?

    01:18:00 - What else should people know about volunteering or the CDTC?

    01:19:08 - What's next for you?

    SEGMENTS

    MG Check-In

    Trek Propaganda

    • 6 Useful Items You Can Almost Always Find in an AT Hiker Box by Kelly Floro

    Triple Crown of conspiracies you maybe buy a little

    New Gear Review

    Listener Voicemail (and leave us your own!)

    5 Star Review

    [divider]

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    #168 | Section Hiking vs. Thru-Hiking: Defining Each Style, Benefits and Drawbacks, and Who They're For Sep 26, 2022
    Show notes

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are bringing you another panel episode. Today we are joined by Backpacker Radio regular, Clay Bonnyman Evans aka Pony to compare and contrast thru-hiking and section hiking. We go deep, focusing largely on the benefits of each of these styles of hiking, who they're for, what we have personally gained from them, and much more. If you're curious about whether you should hit the pause button on your life and take a half year to meander in the mountains, this episode will hopefully serve you a ton of value. And, as always when Pony is studio, this one is delightfully wild.

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    • Tom Turcich (and His Pup) Set to Complete 7-Year Around-the-World Walk Next Month by Clay Bonnyman Evans
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    Time stamps & Questions

    00:05:03 - QOTD: What's the stupidest thing you've done this week?

    00:20:05 - Reminders: Apply to be a blogger for 2023!

    00:20:32 - Introducing the panel topic

    00:22:30 - Panelist's hiking experiences

    00:23:55 - Discussion of the definition of section hiking

    00:26:05 - Chaunce's Thru-Hiking Pro #1

    00:28:25 - Zach's Thru-Hiking Pro #1

    00:31:40 - Pony's disclaimer about section hiking

    00:34:02 - Pony's Thru-Hiking Pro #1

    00:38:15 - Chaunce's Thru-Hiking Pro #2

    00:46:18 - Zach's Thru-Hiking Pro #2

    00:57:44 - Pony's Thru-Hiking Pro #2

    01:02:00 - Chaunce's Thru-Hiking Pro #3

    01:05:55 - Zach's Thru-Hiking Pro #3

    01:06:50 - Discussion of friends and trail families while thru-hiking

    01:09:05 - Pony's Thru-Hiking Pro #3

    01:12:10 - Chaunce's Section Hiking Pro #1

    01:17:48 - Zach's Section Hiking Pro #1

    01:20:56 - Pony's Section Hiking Pro #1

    01:26:40 - Chaunce's Section Hiking Pro #2

    01:27:30 - Zach's Section Hiking Pro #2

    01:30:05 - Chaunce's Section Hiking Pro #3

    01:32:48 - Pony's Section Hiking Pro #2

    [divider]

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    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.


    #167 | Kraig Adams on Being a Professional Vlogger and International Trekking Sep 19, 2022
    Show notes

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Minus33, we are joined by Kraig Adams. Kraig has accumulated more than 700,000 YouTube subscribers while showcasing his adventures from around the world, including Mae Hong Son Loop in Thailand, Adirondack High Peaks, Tour Du Mont Blanc Loop in France, Santa Cruz Trek in Peru, Torres del Paine in Chile, Kesugi Ridge Trail in Alaska, Sawtooth Loop Trail in Idaho, just to name a few. We learn how Kraig got into the world of video blogging, how he's turned it into a full time profession, his favorite and least favorite hikes domestically and abroad, what advice he'd offer to aspiring worldly travelers, how and why he maintains a life of minimalism, and much more.

    We wrap the show with a triple crown of things that you aren't superstitious about but may be a little-sticious about, a guide to edible berries along the PCT, and another update from MG!

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    [divider]

    Interview with Kraig Adams

    • Kraig's Youtube Channel
    • Kraig's Instagram

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:03:03 - QOTD: What's a sport that no matter the skill level, you don't find impressive at all?

    00:07:23 - Reminders: Apply to be the Trek's Youtube personality!

    00:07:29 - Introducing Kraig

    00:08:20 - Tell us about your background.

    00:09:57 - Discussion about initial filmmaking in NYC.

    00:11:45 - What's your benchmark for a successful video today?

    00:12:57 - What's the inspiration for your video style?

    00:14:34 - Are you using backpacking as a means to travel or travel as a means to backpack?

    00:16:06 - Tell us your hiking resume.

    00:17:54 - Does it feel like work for you?

    00:18:52 - Do you ever hike with your dog?

    00:20:00 - What goes into planning a trip for you?

    00:23:35 - Would you say your priority is more the video product or your own experience?

    00:25:07 - How do you balance your work and home life?

    00:27:02 - How does being a minimalist impact the decisions you make while traveling?

    00:29:09 - How does minimalism influence your physical belongings?

    00:30:48 - Is your wife a minimalist?

    00:34:10 - Discussion about Big Bend

    00:34:50 - What are your top three favorite US hikes?

    00:35:47 - What are your top three favorite international hikes?

    00:37:31 - How was your most recent Tour du Mont Blanc?

    00:38:05 - What is it like to do a trip with subscribers?

    00:42:10 - Do you get recognized a lot?

    00:43:02 - Do you have any stories about trips going awry?

    00:45:57 - How do you prepare for camping alone in Alaska?

    00:47:15 - Discussion about navigation

    00:48:30 - Hike superlatives

    00:53:15 - What tips do you have about the Sawtooth Loop?

    00:54:03 - What international hike would you recommend for beginners?

    00:55:32 - Which trail has the best wildlife?

    00:57:08 - What's your fear level?

    01:00:14 - Do you have any other travel tips and tricks?

    01:03:03 - What are some primary/secondary hike pairs?

    01:05:06 - Tell us about your camera gear and video process.

    01:08:27 - Is there one component that accounts for the majority of your revenue?

    01:11:09 - Discussion about brand partnerships

    01:13:20 - Where can people follow you?

    SEGMENTS

    MG Check-In

    Trek Propaganda

    • A Short & Sweet Introduction to Picking Edible Berries Along the PCT by J. Taylor Bell

    Triple Crown of things you aren't superstitious about but are maybe a little-stitious about

    Twitter Picture Chaunce Surprise

    Mail Bag

    5 Star Review

    [divider]

    Check out our sound guy @headnodculture.

    Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play.

    Support us on Patreon to get bonus content.

    Advertise on Backpacker Radio

    Follow The Trek, Chaunce, Badger, and Trail Correspondents on Instagram.

    Follow The Trek and Chaunce on YouTube.

    Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.

    A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac, Tracy "Trigger" Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz.

    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.


    #166 | Robbie Balenger, Plant-Based Ultra-Endurance Athlete, on the Colorado Crush: the Colorado Trail, All 58 14ers, and the Leadville Trail Series Sep 12, 2022
    Show notes

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Robbie Balenger. Robbie is a plant-based ultra-endurance athlete, with achievements including a run across the United States and a feat he dubbed the Colorado Crush which involves hiking the 485-mile Colorado Trail, summiting all 58 of Colorado's 14,000-ft peaks, and running the Leadville Trail Series- the marathon, the-50 mile race, and the 100-mile race...all of this in the span of 63 days! We of course go in-depth about these endurance undertakings, including how he manages his diet, his recovery, the highlights and lowlights from these adventures, the role his crew plays, and much more. You will walk away from this one feeling either very inspired or very lazy- and quite likely both.

    We wrap the show with a triple crown of trees, some promising news on the Lyme disease vaccine front, we get another update from MG, and we share some of our favorite shorter thru-hikes for a listener.

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    Interview with Robbie Balenger

    • Robbie's Website
    • Robbie's Instagram
    • Colorado Crush Documentary
    • Outlast a Tesla
    • The Audacious Report

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:05:19 - QOTD: What's something that you like less as you get older?

    00:15:26 - Introducing Robbie

    00:16:17 - When did you get into athletics and endurance sports?

    00:19:23 - What is it about running that draws you in?

    00:20:44 - Discussion about marathon strategies and breaking through the wall

    00:22:48 - Discussion about food during running

    00:24:02 - How did you prevent injury on your transcontinental run?

    00:25:20 - Discussion about shoes

    00:26:12 - Tell us about your plant-based diet.

    00:30:42 - Discussion about alcohol

    00:31:52 - What do you eat to get enough calories?

    00:34:44 - How did you occupy your mind on your transcontinental run?

    00:37:29 - Tell us about the Central Park Loop

    00:39:55 - Discussion about backyard ultras

    00:41:07 - What would you say your mental drive is?

    00:43:29 - Discussion about training intensity and strategies

    00:46:18 - Do you have any recurring injuries?

    00:47:26 - Tell us about NuCalm

    00:56:41 - What was the inspiration for the Colorado Crush?

    00:58:05 - What lessons did you learn about setting up a good sponsorship model?

    01:00:19 - What was the structure and order of the Colorado Crush?

    01:01:34 - What made the Leadville 100 the most difficult event?

    01:03:42 - How did you decide the timing?

    01:04:41 - Has anyone told you they're interested in replicating the Colorado Crush?

    01:05:02 - Fuck Marry Kill: the Leadville Trail Series, all the 14ers, and the Colorado Trail

    01:05:40 - How did the Colorado Trail compare to your expectations?

    01:07:13 - How do you compare/contrast road running and trail running?

    01:09:48 - Any fun hallucination stories?

    01:12:21 - What's your mentality while running at night?

    01:14:30 - What lazy things do you love doing?

    01:15:42 - What did you learn about yourself as a man?

    01:18:22 - Is it unusual to have the height of your career start late?

    01:19:14 - How was your mindspace as you started the 14ers?

    01:21:06 - What were the logistics for getting to and up all the 14ers?

    01:23:10 - Did you have any close weather calls?

    01:24:33 - Tell us about your crew

    01:26:23 - Is there anything you can't eat anymore?

    01:27:37 - Anything else to share from the Leadville 100?

    01:28:41 - What does the future hold for you?

    01:32:00 - Where can people keep up with you?

    SEGMENTS

    MG Check-In

    New Sound Bites

    Trek Propaganda

    • In Defense of Wild: Cheryl Strayed's Memoir Is Nothing Like Your Trail Journal, and That's OK by Penina Satlow
    • Lyme Disease Vaccine Enters Phase 3 Trials by Penina Satlow

    Triple Crown of trees

    Quadzilla's Quads

    Mail Bag

    5 Star Review

    [divider]

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    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.


    #165 | Pattie Gonia: All Things Drag Queen, Hiking in High Heels, and Advocacy for Inclusive Outdoors Sep 05, 2022
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    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Wyn Wiley, better known online as Pattie Gonia. Pattie is a "professional homosexual", environmentalist, and a drag queen. This conversation is fun and informative. We go deep learning all the fun nuances of the drag world, including what goes into a good tuck (who owns the title for the GOAT of tucking), the best drag songs, and the core components of a good drag performance. Pattie shares all the good work she's is doing with various outdoor organizations to improve representation in the outdoors. And of course we get a run down of what goes into being ultra-athletic in high heel boots.

    We close the show with a triple crown of awkward places to run into an ex, a Q&A segment, and we cover if thru-hiking the PCT can give you a dumptruck ass.

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    Interview with Wyn Wiley aka Pattie Gonia

    • Pattie's Instagram
    • The Outdoorist Oath Website
    • The Outdoorist Oath Instagram
    • Queer Outdoor and Environmental Job Board
    • Austin Smith Instagram

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:04:56 - QOTD: What's the easiest meal of the day to eat healthfully?

    00:10:39 - Reminder: Apply to be a 2023 Trek Blogger

    00:11:34 - Introducing Wyn!

    00:13:05 - Who is Wyn Wiley?

    00:15:26 - How did you become Pattie Gonia?

    00:17:40 - Were you always openly queer?

    00:19:23 - Who put boundaries on you as a kid?

    00:22:10 - How do you run in high heels?

    00:24:20 - What were you thinking when you posted some of your first viral videos?

    00:27:22 - Were some people okay with you being gay but not with your wearing heels?

    00:29:26 - Can you explain Wyn and Pattie's different pronouns?

    00:31:40 - What's a good protocol for knowing when to ask someone their preferred pronouns?

    00:33:36 - Discussion about being Pattie versus Wyn

    00:35:10 - What's the most difficult physical endeavor you've done in heels?

    00:36:14 - Discussion about tucking

    00:41:45 - Tell us about your hiking clothes.

    00:42:48 - Do you have any tips for hiking in heels?

    00:44:42 - Do you have any good eating shit stories from hiking in heels?

    00:45:41 - Tell us about your recent event with the North Face.

    00:48:29 - How can businesses be better allies?

    00:50:34 - How can businesses move into the advocacy space?

    00:52:31 - Do you want to give any particular people a shoutout?

    00:54:09 - Have you had experiences where brands have approached you the wrong way?

    00:55:48 - What were some of the biggest lessons you learned?

    00:57:18 - What do you recommend for people looking to join queer outdoor communities?

    00:59:07 - What does into a 10/10 drag performance?

    01:03:42 - If you're stranded on drag island, what 3 songs do you bring for your performance?

    01:05:25 - If you were to make a drag starter pack, what would be in it?

    01:06:28 - What is your go-to hiking snack?

    01:11:18 - Do you feel like the thru-hiking community better accepts the queer community?

    01:15:35 - How do you think you can bring more straight, white men to allyship?

    01:17:01 - Do you see any backlash for caring about hair and makeup in the outdoors?

    01:20:10 - Tell us about your makeup process.

    01:22:09 - If you could pick only 3 pieces of makeup, what would you choose?

    01:22:50 - Tell us about the plastics crisis work you did in Hawaii.

    01:27:50 - Tell us about your organization, the Outdoorist Oath.

    01:28:56 - What are the first projects your organization is starting with?

    01:30:32 - Can you tell us about calling out NOLS?

    01:37:29 - What should companies prioritize to do better by communities?

    01:40:03 - Where can people go to keep up with you?

    SEGMENTS

    Trek Propaganda

    • Hiker Dies After Being Found Unresponsive on Mt. Washington by Penina Satlow

    Triple Crown of awkward places to bump into an ex

    Instagram Q&A

    Mail Bag

    5 Star Review

    [divider]

    Check out our sound guy @Paulybooyshallcross.

    Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play.

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    Follow Backpacker Radio on Tik Tok.

    A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Jason Lawrence, Christopher Marshburn, Sawyer Products, Brad and Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Patrick Cianciolo, Paul Packman Sealy, Matt Soukup, Jason Snailer, Greg Mac, Tracy "Trigger" Fawns, Mike Poisel, and Kristina Diaz.

    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.


    #164 | Danae and Olen Netteburg on Thru-Hiking with 5 Kids and Working as Doctors in Rural Africa Aug 29, 2022
    Show notes

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by The Netteburg family. Danae and Olen Netteburg, alongside their 5 children- ages ranging from 13 to 1, are currently thru-hiking the CDT. This is their second thru-hike in three years, after the family completed the Appalachian Trail in 2020. The Netteburg's story is one of a kind- both Danae and Olen are missionary doctors who run a 100-bed hospital in rural Chad. We go in-depth learning about how a family of seven manages on a trail as challenging as the CDT, their standout highs and lows from the AT, what life is like back in their home of Chad and the challenges of their work, and much more. The kiddos were also in and out of the studio for this one, so be prepared for the fun chaos that will ensue.

    We wrap the show with a triple crown of things you put on a cracker, a fan follow up to Kathryn Miles' episode which paints a different picture of one of the suspects, and we opine on the movies most deserving of a sequel.

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    Interview with Danae and Olen Netteburg

    • Danae's Instagram
    • Olen's Instagram

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:05:10 - QOTD: What movie do you most wish had a sequel?

    00:07:15 - Introducing the Netteburgs

    00:08:15 - How did you end up on trail as a family?

    00:10:15 - Tell us about being doctors in Chad!

    00:13:08 - Can you compare practicing medicine in the US versus abroad?

    00:15:20 - Can anything stress you out while thru-hiking?

    00:18:12 - Tell us some crazy doctor stories.

    00:21:01 - What are the kid's thoughts on the biggest differences between Chad and America?

    00:22:10 - Hippo facts!

    00:25:56 - What other scary animals do you deal with in Chad?

    00:27:15 - What precautions do you take for mosquitos?

    00:30:16 - What drives you to continue being doctors in Chad?

    00:32:24 - How did you decide to hike the AT in 2020?

    00:36:15 - Kids: what was your initial impression of the AT?

    00:39:20 - Tell us about the timeline for starting the AT?

    00:43:15 - Did you ever consider stopping the hike?

    00:47:50 - What does a 6 person resupply/meal strategy look like?

    00:49:15 - Are all the kids hiking themselves?

    00:51:30 - What are some parenting hacks to keep the kids happy while hiking?

    00:54:42 - Is it a welcome distraction or additional burden to keep the kids happy?

    00:55:35 - How do you handle it when they're grumpy?

    00:57:44 - What are each of their hiking personas?

    01:00:15 - At what age do they stay reliably on trail?

    01:00:50 - What's the extent of the gear that the kids carry?

    01:03:35 - What packs do you use?

    01:05:12 - Roughly speaking, what's your typical pace?

    01:08:33 - Discussion about feeding the kids

    01:11:10 - What are the other person's most and least endearing hiking traits?

    01:15:02 - Did you get a lot of criticism in 2020?

    01:15:49 - How would you compare the challenge of the AT and the CDT?

    01:17:29 - Discussion about potty training and hiking with a baby

    01:20:31 - How do you manage sleep deprivation?

    01:21:41 - How do you manage to stay happy partners?

    01:23:19 - Tell us about managing the monsoons and lightning on the CDT.

    01:27:40 - Discussion about using umbrellas

    01:28:50 - Tell us about your spreadsheets!

    01:34:51 - If you could go back to day 0 on the AT, what advice would you give yourself?

    01:36:29 - How do the kids adjust when you return to your busy work schedules?

    01:38:27 - How much would you say thru-hiking is for you two, the kids, or the family?

    01:39:17 - Do you think the kids have the thru-hiking itch now?

    01:40:45 - Where can people keep up with you?

    SEGMENTS

    Trek Propaganda

    • Pooping on the Appalachian Trail: Important Statistics from My Thru-Hike by Brian "Slurpee" Garner
    • Montbell Superior Down Parka Review by Elise Ott

    Triple Crown of things you put on a cracker

    Mail Bag

    5 Star Review

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    #163 | Quinn Brett on Handcycling the Tour Divide and Maintaining an Active Lifestyle after a Paralyzing Climbing Fall Aug 22, 2022
    Show notes

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Quinn Brett. Quinn was a world-class climber prior to her 2017 fall in Yosemite left her paralyzed from the waist down. Since then, Quinn being the badass athlete that she is, has found new modes to adventure, having most recently completed the 2,500-mile Tour Divide on an adaptive handbike, which she did in just 25 days. We learn all about Quinn's accident, how her adventures, friendships, and life have changed since that fall, and we go in-depth about her advocacy work- how Quinn is fighting to improve recreational accessibility for other persons with disabilities.

    We wrap the show with a Triple Crown of Countries You'd Live in if Deported from the US, a brief overview of some of the reasons we've fired Mara, and we opine on where Funyuns belong in the greater chip ranking.

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    [divider]

    Interview with Quinn Brett

    • Quinn's Instagram
    • Quinn's Website
    • An Accidental Life

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:03:08 - QOTD: Have you heard of Elon Musk's dog mode?

    00:07:38 - Reminders: submit your AT terminus pictures!

    00:08:10 - Introducing Quinn

    00:08:37 - How did you originally get interested in the outdoors and climbing?

    00:10:47 - What does climbing look like in Minnesota?

    00:11:51 - What does doing a season in Yosemite mean?

    00:13:04 - How did you get started on the big walls?

    00:14:51 - What is it like camping in a portaledge?

    00:16:25 - Discussion about premier climbing locations in Colorado and the US.

    00:17:28 - Tell us about your accident.

    00:20:47 - How did you get off the wall?

    00:22:49 - Was the fall itself painful?

    00:23:33 - How did you brain process learning that you were paralyzed?

    00:25:21 - How did your relationship with climbing change?

    00:27:13 - Are there options for climbing while paralyzed?

    00:29:30 - Would you go back and change anything if you could?

    00:31:21 - What have you noticed about inaccessibility since your injury?

    00:34:39 - What are the most common barriers to accessibility in the outdoors?

    00:37:30 - Tell us about your documentary.

    00:38:52 - What would you want to change about the documentary?

    00:41:31 - Tell us more about the current and future therapies for spinal cord injuries.

    00:44:01 - Is there any hope in something like Neuralink?

    00:46:30 - Tell us about your ride on the Tour Divide.

    00:47:53 - How did you train for the ride?

    00:49:15 - Would your hand cycle have tipped less with two rear wheels?

    00:51:35 - How did you solve the battery problem?

    00:52:51 - Tell us about the camping.

    00:54:55 - Do you feel like your upper body has gained perception after your injury?

    00:56:04 - What were some of the highlights of the Tour Divide?

    00:57:01 - Do you have any advice for someone who's interested in doing a similar ride?

    00:58:36 - Can you describe the community you've found among other people with disabilities?

    00:59:56 - Do you have any good poop stories from the ride?

    01:02:15 - Did you see any grizzly bears?

    01:03:50 - Are there any states that are particularly accessible or particularly not?

    01:04:44 - Tell us about the political advocacy work you do.

    01:07:03 - Tell us about the advocacy work you've done for public lands.

    01:09:00 - How have your personal relationships changed since your injury?

    01:12:22 - Are there any other toys or gear items you're excited to try?

    01:13:28 - What safety measures do you take while rafting or kayaking?

    01:15:15 - Were you ever interested in the Paralympics?

    01:16:00 - What are some of your plans or goals for the next five to ten years?

    01:17:37 - Where should people go to find you or support initiatives you're working on?

    SEGMENTS

    MG Check-In

    Trek Propaganda

    • 60 PCT Hikers Evacuated from Trail As McKinney Fire Burns Near CA-OR Border by Kelly Floro

    Triple Crown of countries you'd live in if you were deported from the US

    Reasons We've Fired Mara

    Mail Bag

    5 Star Review

    Listener Voicemail

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    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.


    #162 | Arlette "Apple Pie" Laan: the First Woman to Hike All 11 National Scenic Trails Aug 15, 2022
    Show notes

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Arlette "Apple Pie" Laan. Apple Pie is the first woman to hike all eleven of the National Scenic Trails in the United States, which frankly only scratches the surface on her hiking and backpacking career. We chat about some of her favorite stories from her tens of thousands of miles on trail, her favorite and least favorite of the National Scenic Trails, how she managed to become the backpacking legend that she is today despite not starting until she was 30 years old, and much more. Arlette doesn't hold back in her answers, we think you'll get a kick out of this chat.

    We wrap the show with a triple crown of talents most people don't know that we possess, a story of how I ended up at the ER after the Golden Hiker Meetup, and Chaunce has COVID!

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    Interview with Arlette "Apple Pie" Laan

    • Arlette's Instagram
    • Arlette Laan Fiber Creations Instagram
    • Arlette's Website
    • Redline Guiding Website

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:04:35 - QOTD: What's the dumbest thing you've done this week?

    00:12:18 - How was the Golden hiker meetup?

    00:14:02 - Shoutout to the Blue Sky Fund!

    00:15:03 - Introducing Arlette

    00:15:48 - How did you get into long distance backpacking?

    00:17:34 - How did you get your trail name?

    00:19:04 - How many miles have you hiked?

    00:20:14 - What trails have you done other than the National Scenic Trails?

    00:20:51 - How did you experience backpacking in Europe after getting into it in the US?

    00:24:22 - Is there any particular reason you left the Ice Age Trail for last?

    00:27:47 - At what point did you realize you wanted to do all the National Scenic Trails?

    00:31:38 - What were your 3 favorite and 3 least favorite trails?

    00:34:14 - Give us your best sales pitch for the CDT.

    00:38:00 - Discussion about changing navigation technology.

    00:40:27 - How does homesickness play into your long trails?

    00:46:53 - Discussion about the Florida Trail.

    00:48:16 - Discussion about the Pacific Northwest Trail.

    00:49:32 - Tell us why the AT isn't at the top of your list.

    00:51:21 - What are the best 3 states and worst 3 states in the US in your opinion?

    00:57:58 - What do you do when there's no good camping?

    00:59:00 - Do you have any standout wildlife stories?

    01:01:00 - Have you always been an adventure-seeker?

    01:04:03 - Were you pushing your physical limits prior to thru-hiking?

    01:08:56 - Now that you've done so many long trails, what do you wish you knew when you started?

    01:10:24 - How do you think being a woman has impacted your backpacking?

    01:12:49 - How have you been able to financially and logistically do all of these hikes?

    01:15:18 - Tell us about doll making!

    01:18:45 - Tell us more about the guiding you do.

    01:21:56 - What words of inspiration do you have for someone reluctant to get into backpacking?

    01:23:10 - What's your most embarrassing hiking story?

    SEGMENTS

    Trek Propaganda

    • Arlette "Apple Pie" Laan on Becoming the First Woman to Hike All 11 National Scenic Trails by Alison Young
    • [Book Review] Adventure Ready by Katie Gerber and Heather Anderson by Penina Satlow

    Triple Crown of talents most people don't know you possess

    Mail Bag

    5 Star Review

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    A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Liz Seger, Cynthia Voth, Emily Brown, Dcnerdlet, Jeff LaFranier, Peter Ellenberg, Jacob Northrup, Peter Leven.


    #161 | Diane "Sticks" Harsha: FBI Special Agent, AT Section Hiker, and Author Aug 08, 2022
    Show notes

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Diane "Sticks" Harsha. Diane is an AT section hiker, the author of "Sticks and Stones: How to Hike the Appalachian Trail in 13 Years", and a retired FBI agent. We of course spend a lot of time talking about Diane's career in the bureau- including questions about the rigorous training and testing required to be accepted into the FBI, negotiation tactics that could be applied to convincing a spouse to let you leave for an extended backpacking trip, carrying a weapon on trail, and the overlap between working in the FBI and backpacking the AT at large. And yes of course we sneak in a couple of X-Files questions.

    We wrap the show with a triple crown of celebrities we'd most want to party with, a story about Chaunce farting her way through a work Zoom meeting, and Badger announces his next backpacking trip.

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    Interview with Diane "Sticks" Harsha

    • Diane's Facebook
    • Diane's LinkedIn
    • Sticks and Stones on Audible
    • Sticks and Stones on Amazon

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:02:55 - QOTD: What's the most embarrassing moment you have from a virtual meeting?

    00:15:42 - QOTD 2: What's the thing you're most excited about?

    00:20:02 - Reminders: Shoutout to our new Chuck Norris members!

    00:21:40 - Introducing Diane

    00:22:27 - How did you get into the FBI?

    00:25:12 - What was the fitness test you took?

    00:26:47 - Is Chaunce fit enough to join the FBI?

    00:31:00 - Discussion about age norms.

    00:33:11 - Tell us more about FBI training.

    00:37:55 - Discussion about the accuracy of polygraph tests.

    00:39:42 - Were you on any wild cases you can tell us about?

    00:44:40 - Do you feel like you were treated differently as a woman agent?

    00:46:53 - Since it's illegal to make false statements to federal agents, could we go to prison for lying to you?

    00:48:34 - What negotiation skills would you recommend for convincing your partner to let you do a thru-hike?

    00:51:03 - Tell us more about active listening.

    00:53:40 - Did you ever use these communication strategies while hiking?

    00:56:44 - What other skills crossed over between being an FBI agent and hiking?

    00:59:07 - Did you experience fear before starting the trail?

    01:00:30 - Did you hike with a gun?

    01:03:10 - If you had to pick one state on the AT to carry your gun through, which would it be?

    01:06:40 - Was your husband more worried about your career or about your hiking?

    01:08:31 - What were your single most dangerous moments in the FBI and on the trail?

    01:14:03 - What other things did you bring to trail from your career?

    01:18:50 - Did the trail ever grant you any insights related to your work or a case?

    01:21:24 - Is there an emotional lull after completing each case?

    01:24:10 - Did you ever have a case that could have been an episode of X-Files?

    01:25:30 - What are things that movies and shows always get wrong?

    01:28:12 - What are the advantages to section hiking the AT over many years instead of all at once?

    01:31:35 - Tell us about how you planned the sections.

    01:38:14 - Give us your trail name origin story.

    01:42:20 - When did you get the inspiration to write the book?

    01:46:08 - What can a reader expect when they pick up the book?

    01:48:50 - Where can people find the book?

    SEGMENTS

    MG Check-In

    Trek Propaganda

    • Desolation Wilderness Now Requires Bear-Resistant Food Storage by Kelly Floro

    Triple Crown of non-A or B-list celebrities you'd love to party with

    Listener Voicemail

    5 Star Review

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    #160 | Beginner Backpacking Mistakes 2.0 Aug 01, 2022
    Show notes

    In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek we are bringing you another edition of Beginner Backpacking Mistakes. Today we're joined by our good pal and backpacking superstar, Steven "Twinkle" Shattuck, to give you a rundown of mistakes to avoid on your next backpacking trip. If you listened to the first edition of this panel, rest assured that all of the tips in this episode are brand new- backed by many thousands of miles of trail experience- we made all the mistakes so you don't have to.

    We also have a triple crown of our favorite day hikes in Colorado, we learn about Twinkle and Grace's recent epic backpacking trip in Peru, and we wrap the show with a solid hazing of Chaunce.

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    Panel with Badger, Chaunce, and Twinkle

    • Backpacker Radio 61 | Grace and Steven "Twinkle" Shattuck on Their 15 Month Dirtbagging Adventure
    • Backpacker Radio Episode #6: Steven "Twinkle" Shattuck on Dirt-Bagging for a Year, The Best Headlamps for Thru-Hiking, and Curing Anxiety on Trail
    • Twinkle's Instagram

    Time stamps & Questions

    00:06:18 - QOTD: What have you been up to since we last talked?

    00:11:27 - Discussion about Twinkle's Huayllapa Circuit hike

    00:21:14 - Twinkle's Mistake #1: Relying on your phone too heavily for navigation

    00:28:20 - Chaunce's Mistake #1: Not including gear replacements or fixes into your trail budget

    00:36:00 - Zach's Mistake #1: Not eating enough food

    00:43:50 - Twinkle's Mistake #2: Splitting up with your group without making a detailed plan

    00:57:08 - Chaunce's Mistake #2: Just because your body feels like it can push on, doesn't mean it should

    01:02:32 - Zach's Mistake #2: Be more selective with your campsites

    01:15:02 - Twinkle's Mistake #3: Do not buy excess footwear prior to your hike

    01:25:00 - Nancy East fan club

    01:28:13 - Chaunce's Mistake #3: Not preparing for what happens after your hike

    01:34:58 - Zach's Mistake #3: Not budgeting enough extra time for your hike

    SEGMENTS

    Trek Propaganda

    • 5 Backpacking Hacks I Learned from HikeTok by Katie Houston

    Triple Crown of our favorite Colorado day hikes

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