Around the Circle | An Enneagram Podcast

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Saturday Workshop | How do 2s, 5s, and 8s Connect? Jun 11, 2026

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This episode goes some places!

In this month's Second Saturday gathering, we explored the Enneagram's Affect Groups (sometimes called Harmony Groups), drawing on the work of David Daniels.

The conversation focused on the 2-5-8 triad, often called the Relationists or Rejection Group.

Together we explored questions such as:

What does it mean to "expect rejection" in relationships?
How do Twos, Fives, and Eights offer connection through gifts, service, knowledge, protection, and strength?
Why do these types often maintain a small circle of true vulnerability?
How do experiences of rejection, betrayal, unmet needs, and emotional exposure shape the way these types connect with others?
What is the difference between transparency and vulnerability?
How do our instincts (Self-Preservation, Social, and One-to-One) influence the way we seek connection?
An idea to hold that may bring clarity to this discussion is this:
The term "Rejection" refers to the idea that these types unconsciously assume that their ordinary needs may not be welcomed, so they learn to gain connection by offering something rather than simply showing up with their needs. In classic Enneagram language:
Twos reject their own needs and become needed.
Fives reject their needs and become self-sufficient.
Eights reject vulnerability and become strong.

That is somewhat different from the way many people hear the term today. It does not necessarily mean "I expect everyone to reject me." Rather, it points to a developmental stance in which the person concludes:

"My needs won't automatically be met, so I must relate through what I can provide."

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This Saturday we'll continue our exploration of relationship patterns through the lens of the 3-6-9 triad.

How do Threes, Sixes, and Nines create connection? How do they seek belonging, support, and security? What happens when attachment, success, harmony, and safety become central to our relationships?

These monthly gatherings typically include around 30 participants and are one of the most engaging ways to move beyond theory and into real conversation.

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Partners | Enneagram 6 & 3 * Emma & Gregg Jun 10, 2026

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Surprise!

We are doing more than just parent/child episodes now. Emma & Gregg have been dating for 5.5 years, and on this episode we discuss what they've learned about each other and what their specific relationship dynamic looks like. We talk about the difference between a 3's anxiety and a 6's anxiety, and we get to really dig deep about what makes each of them feel vulnerable - and why the answers are so different from each other.

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"Inside Story" | The Work for Nines | Joe in Florida Jun 08, 2026

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In this episode of Inside Story, Kristen sits down with Joe, a Type Nine whose journey through recovery, Enneagram work, marriage, parenting, and leadership offers a thoughtful look at what growth can look like for Nines.

Together they explore the relationship between the Enneagram and 12-step recovery, the challenge of recognizing and expressing anger, passive-aggression, conflict, self-forgetting, and the fear of disrupting peace. Joe reflects on how routines, courage, accountability, and trusted communities have helped him find his voice and take meaningful action.

The conversation also touches on humility, expertise, relationships, spirituality, and why growth often requires doing the thing we least want to do. For Nines—and anyone who struggles to trust themselves, speak up, or act before they feel ready—this is a rich conversation about what it means to remember that you matter.

"Scientific Enneagram" | Episode 2 | PDP 101: An Intro to Dan Siegel's Patterns of Developmental Pathways Framework Jun 07, 2026

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Dan Siegel's Patterns of Developmental Pathways (PDP) framework is one of the first serious attempts to bridge Enneagram ideas with neuroscience, developmental psychology, and clinical practice.

In this episode, I break down the core concepts behind PDP: temperament vs. adaptive strategies, neuroplasticity, the role of "wholeness" in personality development, and the three pillars of the framework -- Vectors, Attendency, and Emotional Regulation Strategies.

We'll also explore how PDP maps onto traditional Enneagram types, where it agrees with existing Enneagram theory, where it diverges, and why Dan Siegel prefers talking about patterns rather than fixed personality types.

If you've heard about PDP but haven't wanted to tackle a 400-page book, this episode is your quick-start guide.

"Atlas of the Heart" | Chapter 1 : Stress, Vulnerability, and Anxiety Jun 06, 2026

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Upcoming Reading Room Discussion

📅 Tuesday, June 9

🕢 7:30 PM Eastern / 5:30 PM Mountain / 4:30 PM Pacific

📖 Discussion Topic: Atlas of the Heart, Chapter 1 — Places We Go When Things Are Uncertain or Too Much

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In this Reading Room episode, Jeff continues our summer study of Brené Brown’s Atlas of the Heart, exploring the emotions and experiences that emerge when life feels uncertain, overwhelming, or simply too much.

Drawing connections between Brown’s research and the Enneagram, this discussion covers stress, overwhelm, anxiety, worry, avoidance, fear, dread, and vulnerability—and asks what these experiences might be trying to teach us.

Topics include:

The relationship between stress, coping, and Enneagram movement
Why overwhelm may require something different than more effort
The distinction between anxiety, worry, and fear
How personality shapes emotional experience
Vulnerability as courage rather than weakness
The ongoing conversation between head, heart, and body

The Space Between Wings | 6↔7 and 7↔8 Jun 05, 2026

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Jeff and Katie continue their exploration of the numbers that sit beside each type, uncovering how neighboring types share underlying emotional patterns, coping strategies, and ways of moving through the world.

They discuss why wings may be more useful for self-awareness than personal growth, the role of instincts and subtypes in Enneagram study, and the surprising similarities between Sixes and Sevens as they manage anxiety.

The conversation then turns to the dynamic relationship between Sevens and Eights: adventure, challenge, disruption, leadership, independence, and the pursuit of a life fully lived. Why do these types seem drawn toward bigger experiences? What happens when feeling takes a back seat? And what gifts emerge when they learn to bring others along for the journey?

Roots | Enneagram 1 & 4 * Molly and Maria Jun 03, 2026

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Katie talks to a mother/daughter duo that she first met at one of her in-person courses in Cincinnati. Featuring our youngest podcast guest ever (eee!), the trio discuss what it feels like to be a teenage 4, what's important as we grow up and think about what we want our life to look like, and the many different ways that a 1 can show up as a parent.

"Morning Show" | Enneagram and the Head Jun 01, 2026

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This week on the Morning Show, the crew continues their exploration of the Enneagram centers by diving into the Head Center.

Jeff, Kristen, Jackie, and TJ discuss fear, certainty, anxiety, planning, and all that emerges through that cognitive, future focus.

Brené Brown's Atlas of the Heart | The Reading Room Intro May 31, 2026

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We've selected our next book.

Brené Brown's Atlas of the Heart is one of the most influential books on emotions in recent years, and we're going to talk through it this June and July.

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In this episode, Jeff highlights fifteen key ideas from the introduction that connect emotional awareness, language, and personal growth with the wisdom of the Enneagram. Along the way, he reflects on the relationship between feeling, thinking, and behavior, the importance of naming emotions, and why emotional vocabulary matters for both self-understanding and healthy relationships.

The Space Between Wings | 3↔4, 4↔5, 5↔6 May 28, 2026

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Katie Whitlock and Jeff Cook continue their dive into the shared space between adjacent Enneagram types, exploring the emotional and psychological overlap between Threes and Fours, Fours and Fives, and Fives and Sixes. Along the way they discuss authenticity, significance, narcissism, objectivity and subjectivity, emotional processing, rumination, preparation, and the strange intimacy that can emerge between neighboring types.

This conversation moves beyond simple wing theory and into the deeper architecture of the Enneagram itself: why certain types sit next to each other, what they share beneath the surface, and how understanding those shared dynamics can deepen our understanding of motivation, emotion, and personality structure.

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