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    Anchors Aweigh

    Anchors Aweigh is a podcast for all boaters, from aspiring to experienced. Featuring in-depth conversations with boating experts and industry leaders, and packed full of tips, tricks, gear, and industry info, boaters of all levels will come away with new skills and knowledge each episode.

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    Boat Services on Demand with Boatyard Aug 03, 2017
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    Nathan Heber is the Founder and CEO of Boatyard, the world's first on-demand marketplace for recreational boating. The Boatyard app makes it easy for boaters to find and book qualified marine professionals for services ranging from fuel delivery to cleaning to captaining a boat. Boatyard also has a B2B application. Boatyard for Business provides marine professionals with an easy-to-use platform for automating their admin tasks, while helping them to deliver remarkable customer service experiences to their boat owners.

    Nathan grew up in Miami Beach and has been boating since he was a child. Later in life, he took up sailing and has been hooked ever since. An avid kite surfer, Nathan has found that being on and around the water is an invaluable component of a happy life for him and his family.

    We discussed his sailing adventures, the founding of boatyard and how it helps both boaters and marine professionals, ways to make the boating lifestyle accessible, and much more. Enjoy!

    On growing up in Miami Beach…..You grow up on boats. I've been boating my entire life. Seven years ago my wife bought me sailing lessons and I've been sailing ever since.

    On learning to boat and sail.....I was probably too young to remember how I learned to boat. Sailing has a lot more components. Understanding angles of wind and all the technical stuff that goes into learning to sail, I'd have to say learning to sail is harder. We took a private lesson, just me and my wife and the teacher He was an Olympic hopeful who teaches out of 79th Street in Miami. We took 10 or 12 hours with him and then we could pay him to have access to the sailboats and jump on whenever we wanted.

    On the inspiration for Boatyard.com.....In a way, it started when I was a kid because I've been hearing about this pain point my entire life. The sailing lessons led to a series of events that led to the creation of Boatyard. We were taking a trip to the BVI and jokingly she said, "Why don't we just sail down there.?" It was an off-season time and they agreed to do a short, bareboat charter for us. The two of us went island to island and had the greatest adventure of our lives. When we came back we wanted to rent that same sailboat and it was $800 a day. We thought, if our neighbors knew that we were responsible professionals who were certified sailors I'm sure they would let us rent it for less. But at the time there was no mechanism to do that. I set out to build a peer-to-peer marketplace. I was in an accelerator to do that and kept hearing from our boat owners what a pain it was to service their boats and I saw this big opportunity that wasn't being tapped. So we pivoted the business and that's how Boatyard was created.

    On solving boat owner's biggest headache.....When we originally launched, boat owners were really resigned to word of mouth or google searches to find the providers to service their boats. There's the old joke the best two days of a boat owner's life are the day they buy it and the day they sell it and a lot of that has to do with what a pain it is in between to find qualified guys who will show up on time. They're out there but the average boater has to sift through and find those people that they can trust. We looked at that and said, if we could create a marketplace where we aggregated the best providers we could find and then gave boat owners a really simple user interface where they could place a request and get a qualified service provider, and have a really great experience, we thought we could change the way boat services are ordered.

    On what boaters use Boatyard for.....The most popular are fuel and boat washing. We've been able to expand our service offering to mechanical service, captains, boating lessons, on water help with Sea Tow and a number of other services.

    On the reception among boaters.....You have people who are forward thinking and progressive about technology and those people really buy into it. It's a challenge to get people who aren't forward thinking to try it but once they do they continue to come back. 80% of our orders come from someone who has ordered from us before.

    On the reception among marine professionals.....Currently, they don't really have a great place to put marketing dollars where they're gonna generate a good ROI. With us, the fees we take are far less than the cost of acquisition for attaining those same customers. In addition to that, they don't pay us until they make money. We've had great experiences and great luck finding amazing providers that are very forward thinking and willing to provide this high level of service that we demand for our users. We've even had some customers tell us we're the reason they didn't close.

    On finding qualified service providers.....It's a challenge across the whole industry. It's hard for me to understand why that's happening in such a big way. Boating and boat services is one of those industries where it truly needs a skilled labor set, where having that job can provide someone with a comfortable middle-class lifestyle or more. Some of it comes down to messaging. Letting kids know who are coming out of school or who are in other technical schools about the great opportunities there are in the boat services industry.

    On helping marine businesses grow.....We've recently launched a new platform called Boatyard for Business. It's a B2B SaaS platform that helps marine professionals manage their service requests. They can basically run their whole business off it. It takes all the admin duties that take up a lot of time and keep the smaller shops from growing and allows them to get it through Boatyard for a small monthly fee.

    On getting new boaters into the industry.....It's great what you guys are doing with Freedom Boat Club, the launch of all the peer-to-peer boat sharing platforms, Boatsetter, Boatbound, Sailo, and then companies like Dockwa that make it easy to book dockage with the click of a button. One of the biggest things we can do is make boating more accessible which is happening but also just getting more people on the water. We all know it's not the boat that makes you happy, it's the experiences that you have.

    On misconceptions about the boating lifestyle.....Still, a lot of people think that boating is for wealthy people, that it's intimidating, that it's not accessible. By having boat clubs and peer to peer and all the tech to make it easier to use the boat, I think that's going to go a long way towards introducing a lot more people to boating. At Boatyard we think that when you own a boat it shouldn't be a hassle. You shouldn't spend your free time fixing it, you should be spending your free time on the water and we're trying to solve that pain point.

    On the changing demands of marine customers.....Millennials prize access over ownership. There's a whole significant portion of our business that comes to us because there's no one else to talk to. Close to 40% of our orders are placed between 5pm and 9am or over the weekend. I think it's really important to be able to transact 24 hours a day and make it really easy for customers to connect with you. Customers are having much higher standards as far as customer service goes. If the marine businesses are not doing it now, they're going to have to in order to make customers happy.

    On how boating can drive happiness.....They've done a ton of studies on what drives true happiness and it all came down to experiences. When you're planning an experience, you have all the excitement leading up to it, then you have the time on the water, then you get to look back on it fondly. That's what drives true happiness. That's what we all need to work on – how to enable more people to have these remarkable experiences on the water.

    On learning to kitesurf.....I picked it up because I couldn't sail and boat as much. I couldn't make a whole day of boating but I could throw the gear in the car, set up, go kiting and come home. Last year was the first time I went kiting off a boat and that was spectacular. I'm a pretty good snowboarder and I surf and it still took me 10 hours to pick up. No matter what, it takes some commitment. Once you learn it you can get much better much quicker. The best thing to do is get a little trainer kite and fly it on the beach. Once you get the kite control down, you can pick up the board part fairly quickly. I have a 9-meter kite, a 12-meter kite, and a 15-meter kite for the light winds. The next thing I want to get into is to learn how to foil.

    On advice for would-be boaters.....It can fundamentally change your life. When we learned how to sail it gave us something we could enjoy together for the rest of our lives. You're out there, you're enjoying the elements. And it opens up a world of new experiences you can have. You can go to new parts of the world and have this incredible experience with this incredible perspective that not everyone can have.

    It was so great and uplifting speaking with Nathan. He truly believes that boating and being on the water can lead to a happy life and incredible experiences you will never forget, and is working tirelessly to make those experiences easier to come by. Check out Boatyard and keep an eye out for it in an area near you soon!


    Boating, Clean-N-Simple Jul 12, 2017
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    It was a real pleasure speaking with Barry Berhoff, CEO of Shurhold Industries. Barry is an avid boater who lives and breathes Shurhold everyday not only as a job, but as a lifestyle. Under his direction Shurhold has become the global leader in high quality detailing products.

    Shurhold was started in 1973 in the garage of William E. Peach. Over the next two decades Shurhold continued to grow and migrated into a 10,000-square-foot facility in City. Barry purchased the company in 1998 and expanded the company into a 20,000 square-foot state of the art manufacturing facility. He's helped continue to expand the product line and grow it into the international company it is today.

    Barry and I discussed growing up boating on Lake Michigan, family vacations living aboard their boat in the Bahamas, tips for keeping the boat clean and misconceptions about boat maintenance. I learned a lot and hope you do too, enjoy!

    On getting started in boating…..I started as a child. My dad got into boating. We started boating on Lake Michigan. Being little it was a lot of safety stuff which I find myself now saying to my kids. We did it every summer and I just loved being on the boat. Everything from tying the knots to running the electronics to learning to drive and take care of it, it was something I was just drawn to. All my learning was through my father. The classes weren't as prevalent as they are today. You can go to any Coast Guard Auxiliary; they've got online courses. It's a much better environment for learning.

    On teaching his kids to boat…..I do make an effort to get them learning about navigation, the rules of the road. Florida has an online boater safety course and both my boys have taken that. My older one just finished a two-week camp at Chapman School of Seamanship. They do an amazing kids course and have a whole fleet of little boats. The kids learn how to dock them and anchor them and man overboard drills.

    On family boating now…..The family boat is a 43' SeaVee Express model. It's been a great boat for us. We do a mix of everything. Boats are always a game of compromise. There is no perfect boat because there are so many different styles and one day you want to do one thing, one day another. It's great cause it's still outboard so it allows us to still get up on sandbars and treat it like a little center console but being an express we still have a cabin and we still can take summer vacations to the Bahamas and live on the boat as a family. It's a great time. No electronics allowed. It's just about being together, being out on the water.

    On essential gear to have aboard for long trips…..According to my wife the first and foremost thing is sunblock. You can never have enough sunblock down here. Probably the most important is safety gear. We never leave the dock without making sure that we have the Coast Guard required safety gear, and we have additional stuff that we take. We carry an emergency life raft on board, an EPIRB, and a satellite phone.

    On meeting like-minded boaters…..Yeah we have our summer cruising family. At each port we tend to bump into the same people around the same time of the year. We didn't know what we'd run into but we found a lot more families than we expected. One thing that's always true is that almost every boater you ever meet is friendly. People are out there to have a good time. This is their way of relaxing and kicking back. Not only is everyone friendly but everyone is there to help each other out. Whether I'm giving someone a spare part or someone is helping me fix something on my boat I didn't know how to do, there's always someone on the dock that you can help or that is willing to help you.

    On Shurhold's education goals…..The first and foremost thing that I hope that we provide is the information and education. It seems daunting if you've never done it before and we try to strike a balance. We are advocating that people don't procrastinate and that they do the basic things on a regular basis. That's going to serve them well and make their job easier over the long run and make sure the boat is ready for them when they want to use it.

    On their popular video series…..We get a lot of really good feedback from the basic videos. All the way from what to do when you get back, the fact that you don't have to scrub the boat every time but rinse it. A good rinse will do you a lot of good. We talk about the proper order in which to wash a boat. Top down, front to back, working with the natural flow of water. And then we do some on oxidation and waxing that have been very popular. A lot of people are afraid to use rotary tools or buffers and we show them how easy they are and how that makes their job easier. We take a lot of the mystique and voodoo out of it. Anyone can maintain and care for a boat. It isn't that hard if you just do a couple of key things and do them on a consistent basis.

    On what can be done to keep boats looking new…..There is a protective coat, a lot of people call it wax, we call it a protectant or polish, that your boat should have on it. Depending on whether it is up north or down south, how much sun exposure, is it covered, etc will determine how many times a year that needs to be done. Think of it like sunscreen on your boat. That is what is protecting it and making it look good, making it so that when you get back to the dock you can just rinse it and walk away. A good coat of wax or protection goes a long way, and making sure it is done in the right way.

    On common maintenance misconceptions…..One of the biggest misconceptions that I can share is people want to know - Should they do two coats, should they do three coats? I'm surprised that people have this idea that more coats is going to do more, it really isn't. Think of it like sunblock. Get one good coat on and somewhere down the road, do the second coat. The second coat the same day doesn't do you any good. Putting sunblock on twice in 30 seconds doesn't make it any better but doing it later in the day does. The other thing is there is definitely a difference between boat soap and dish soap. A lot of people will take products from the home and there are two major issues with it. First, a lot of the home products have degreasers in them and they are going to strip your wax. The other is if you happen to be washing the boat on or near the water, those are not environmentally friendly products.

    On industry maintenance product advancements…..Our biggest advancements have been in the waxing technologies. Most of the wax today doesn't have any real wax in it. It is a polymer base. There are little to no fillers in it. When we protect a boat, it is a lot more like putting a sunblock on cause you're rubbing it in until it disappears and that's it. There's no powder, no heavy working to get it off. It's much more viscus when it goes on so it bonds with the boat better, fills in the seams and pores better. That has made the chore of waxing a boat take half the time and half the work.

    On industry boat advancements…..As technologies from other industries get cheaper and filter down into our industry you start to see it. We've seen it in the last couple years, a lot more advancement in some of the computer animated drafting and robotic mold making that's really allowed some of the boat builders to do really unique things. You're seeing a lot more bigger boats with outboards which has changed boating a lot. You're seeing a lot bigger horsepower outboard boats which really lets the manufacturer focus on building the boat and not the engine. It allows them to get a lot more space and use space better and get much prettier curves and lines. The product and the quality that I'm seeing from the manufacturers over the last couple of years has been really exciting.

    On boating destinations…..It's on my bucket list to do the Great Loop as a cruising trip. We do a lot in the Bahamas and I'm really happy with that. We've done crossing the state of Florida through the locks and that's an amazing little trip. I think we're going to try in the next year to go north a little bit up through Georgia and Hilton Head.

    On Shurhold's product philosophy…..Everything that we manufacture is based on a couple simple principals. Everything we do is to help you keep your boat clean and simple. Part of keeping it simple is making products that are multi-purpose. We don't do 22 different chemicals for 22 different parts of the boat, we do about 5 or 6 chemicals that cover the 22 parts of the boat. All of our handles and brushes and attachments are meant to cut down on storage so you have one handle that covers it all. We decided we could do that for the bucket so we came up with a series of accessories for the bucket. (Editors note: Barry describes the one bucket system in detail and it is phenomenal, check it out here!)

    On advice for would-be boaters…..The first thing I tell everyone is definitely do it, you're going to love it! The second thing I tell them is take a lesson. Taking a boater's safety course, going out with someone to show them a couple basic thing, it really doesn't take but an afternoon. It's not a big investment but being comfortable on the boat will do you well.

    Barry was great. Listen to the full episode for many more great tips and stories.


    Boaterz n Bikerz of America: Hull of a Tour Jun 30, 2017
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    Wanda Kenton Smith has worked in the boating industry since 1980. A journalist, she launched her career as editor of Water Ski and Windsurf magazines, and later worked as editor on additional trade titles in both the sailing and watersports sectors. She also has served as the marketing columnist for Soundings Trade Only since 1998, a post she still holds today.

    Wanda previously served as vice president of marketing for Regal Boats for 11 years prior to launching her own award-winning, full service advertising and PR firm for 13 years that serviced more than 35 global and national marine accounts.

    Today, Wanda serves as chief marketing officer of Freedom Boat Club, continues to consult on select accounts, speaks at industry events and is active in several marine industry initiatives. She is president of Kenton Smith Marketing, president of Marine Marketers of America and chairperson of the RBLC's New Market Task Force. She also is the event producer and publicist of Boaterz n Bikerz of America: Hull of a Tour.

    On her first boating experiences.....When I was in middle school, my oldest brother purchased and refurbished a 19' wooden sailboat and my family and I spent a lot of time on that sailboat on the river and local waterways. He had boated when he was younger and had always wanted to have access to a boat. I was obviously the fortunate one to enjoy the benefits of that. My brother and my dad taught me to sail when I was younger but I took a Coast Guard class years later when I was working at Regal Marine and I never looked back. That was a turning point.

    On boating in her adult life.....We have owned five boats in my adult life. We had two Regals, a bowrider and a deckboat. My favorite boat that I have ever owned was the very first Super Air Nautique, when the whole wakeboard industry started. We were the kings of the lake and the envy of all of my daughter's friends. We took them boating and wakeboarding every chance that they got. We also had a Hunter sailboat and a Scout dual console. I now have access to over 500 boats through the SW Florida Freedom Boat Clubs.

    On her current boating lifestyle.....Now we like to get out and cruise. Go to waterfront restaurants. We really like going picnicking, finding sandy beaches and trying different locations.

    On favorite boating destinations.....Two locations come to mind. The first is Italy. I had the opportunity to go boating in Portofino and Lake Como. It was absolutely spectacular. The second place is the Bahamas. Totally love that turquoise blue water and be able to snorkel and see all that fabulous sea life.

    On starting in the industry.....I just got lucky. I was working in Miami and we had moved to Orlando and a friend of mine knew a guy who was advertising for an editor for Water Ski Magazine. I jumped all over it. Terry Snow was the publisher of the magazine and he took a chance on somebody pretty green and helped me launch my career. I went on from Water Ski to launch Windsurf magazine and then to edit Waterski Business, and then got into the agency side of my business.

    On championing women in boating.....It was late in the 1980s and I was working for Regal Boats in charge of marketing Part of my assignment was to do competitive research. I went down to the Miami Boat Show to go and visit 25 different booths and to get information on products. I walked away with some interesting insight. First of all, nobody asked if I need any help. Sales guys wouldn't give me the time of day. From a marketing research perspective that was fantastic. It struck me that no one at any of the booths took me seriously as a buyer. I started a conversation about it in the trade press and wrote a column about it. I went on to launch a training firm that I called Marine Marketing for Women. All told, I had the opportunity to personally train over 4,000 people! I feel like it was an important step in educating the industry about the buying power and the influence that women have in the industry.

    On Freedom Boating Divas.....We launched Freedom Boating Divas for female members of the club. Our goal with the program is to make our female members feel more safe and competent at the helm and to provide opportunities to meet other women who share the same passion for boating. Here in Southwest Florida, we offer free unlimited training classes exclusively for the ladies that we schedule twice a month in different locations. The second part of that is the social part. By hosting social events exclusively for the divas they have the opportunity to meet with and mingle with other women who share the same boating DNA and passion.

    On engaging new markets.....The RBLC was organized several years ago with the primary purpose of growing the boating industry. I chair the new markets task force. We had a VIP influencers group that represent different ethnicities and our task force addresses opportunities to engage new and diverse audiences to boating. Ultimately, our goal is to promote engagement. We are focused on three markets – all affluent Hispanic, Asian, and African-American markets. We produced an award-winning educational module that includes latest demographic and economic trends and the highlight is five outstanding case studies with best practices from boating companies who are successfully engaging and selling to these markets. All of the information and the webinar is available for free from download at the RBLC.org website.

    On Boaterz n Bikerz of America: Hull of a Tour..... It originated from a conversation between myself and Jim Krueger. We were chatting one day during a ride and we talked about our bucket list and we both agreed that our number one bucket list trip would be doing a cross country ride from FL to CA. We planned it and thought it would be fun to mix in some boating activities and decided to invite others in the industry and our friends who also love boating and biking.

    On the connection between boaters and bikers.....It's a fact. I was at the National Sailing conference a few weeks ago and Bonnier shared some statistics – 18% of people who sail are also active motorcycle enthusiasts. There's such a definite lifestyle crossover. Those of us who like to motorcycle and like to boat like that sense of freedom, that sense of adventure and escape that those lifestyle sports deliver.

    On past tours.....It was 3,000 miles. We went from Destin, FL to San Diego. We rode the flatlands, through the scorching dessert mountains, we stopped at the Grand Canyon, plenty of spectacular coastlines, we experienced extreme heat, snow, rain, hail, thunder. It was amazing. We started at Legendary Marine at the yacht club, we had a sunset cruise in Texas aboard a 90' party boat. And then we had a 2 ½ hour splash down in San Diego Bay aboard a brand new Beneteau poweryacht and sailboat. Our second Tour was the Freedom Ride. It went from Florida to Washington DC. We folded into the million bike extravaganza called Rolling Thunder that's held Memorial Day in DC and it pays tribute to MIAs and POWs. We got to ride all the way down to the national Mall with veterans. It was a very touching and moving experience for all of us. We stopped at 5 different freedom boat clubs en route. In Annapolis we had an opportunity to board 7 different boats and watch a command performance of the Blue Angels. We had the Pacific Coast Rush. We shipped our bikes to Seattle and we rode down to San Francisco and took a loop out to Big Sur. We launched it at Alexander Marine with Regal Boats and did a launch party on a 78' Ocean Alexander Yacht. Our splashdown was in San Francisco. We did a sunset sail aboard a large sailing Catamaran. The trip took us through the Glacier National Park. We cruised all the way down Pacific Coast Highway. We rode through the giant redwoods, literally through the trees. And we loved the twisting mountain ride of Big Sur and Monterey. It's just moments that you'll never forget, absolutely phenomenal.

    On the 2017 Lobster Roll.....The event is July 15th-22nd. We're starting in Portland and ride the Maine coast to Canada. We twist through the white mountains in New Hampshire. We make a stop at Cape Cod and then we splashdown in Newport, RI. For those of us who are bikers, we don't like the typical tourist traps. We're staying in some quaint small towns. We're going to go whale watching, we'll be tubing, lots of fun things getting off the beaten path.

    On the importance of sponsors.....Freedom Boat Club is back as our title sponsor. Regal Boats is our boating sponsor. Soundings Trade Only is our media sponsor and I will be writing a blog which will be appearing every day of the tour. Sea Tow is sponsoring our chase vehicle so if we have any breakdowns they come and get us. BRP Evinrude is our power sponsor. Moose Landing is going to be hosting our launch party and two Freedom Boat Clubs are going to be participating with boat rides and Kenton Smith Marketing handles the publicity.

    On how to participate.....You have to have a motorcycle license and we do require group riding experience but there is no cost to participate. I have a hotel planner with our discounted group rates. If anyone is interested about getting more information they can email me at wanda@kentonsmithmarketing.com or visit www.kentonsmithmarketing.com

    On advice for getting into the industry.....It makes sense to talk to people in the industry. There is a lot of opportunity right now for technicians and people working on the service side. Find people who are willing to talk to you about what they do and what they enjoy most. If you're a passionate boater and you love the water and want to be part of a dynamic industry, this is a great place to drop anchor. We have great people and sell fantastic products and are selling fun. I can't think of anything else that's more fulfilling and rewarding than this!


    Barefooting with a 7-time USA Champion! Jun 15, 2017
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    Zenon Bilas is a 7-time USA Barefoot Water Skiing Champion. He has over 30 years of teaching all levels of water skiers, including national and world champions. He has performed barefoot shows and water ski clinics on four continents with stops in the USA, Sweden, Belgium, Brazil, Japan, Lebanon, and China, including one show for over 500,000 people in Yueyang, China. He has authored hundreds of articles on boat tests, product reviews, and water ski coaching tips. And, you may remember a certain cartoon tiger waterskiing in a TV commercial for Frosted Flakes….that was Zenon skiing as Tony the Tiger's body double!

    Zenon and I discussed how he got started on the water, tips for training, finding a coach, and driving the boat for tow sports, innovation on the manufacturing side, and more. With all Zenon has done and continues to do, it was impossible to cover everything we wanted to get to. I really hope I can get him on again for a follow up episode (or two!). Enjoy!

    On what got him interested in being on the water…..We were fishing. We went to a pond in Chicago and it was fun. We did that, and that winter they had a show on fishing in the Northwest Territory and that really intrigued us. That made us go out and buy a 7 ½ horsepower Mercury outboard. We started going to Wisconsin Dells and fishing on the river. We would put the motor on a Jon boat and go fishing.

    On moving into bigger boats…..Like a lot of things, once you get into it, you get into it. We bought a 15' Silverline and it had an 85 horsepower Mercury. It was kind of a sports boat and we went fishing. It served both worlds. We would go to a place on the river, put the boat on shore, and go fishing from the beach. Wisconsin River had stripers, walleye, and occasionally we caught sturgeons. I remember driving that boat. You hear of people now buying their first boat being a 50-footer. I didn't think of it until now but we had a progression. From pond to 7 ½ horsepower to 85 horsepower. We started from the smallest and learned.

    On watersports entering the picture…..It was being at the right place at the right time. We were in the Wisconsin Dells and we went to the Tommy Bartlett Water Ski Show. I tried skiing the year before that and the cottage came with a pair of Cypress Garden skis. But we never skied before. For some reason, I was the one to try it. We tried it and tried it and I couldn't get up because we didn't know what we were doing. We went back to fishing. The next summer we saw the show and that was the game changer. I saw water skiing and jumping and all the tricks they did and barefooting really intrigued me.

    On going from not getting up to hooked…..We would also boat on Round Lake in Northern IL. My brother bought a pair of skis and he learned from a friend. And that friend said he would help me. I didn't want to get up on skis, I was into fishing. He was insistent and he got in the water and showed me how the skis and my legs should be positioned. I was more comfortable with him in the water with me. The first try I got up 50 or 60 feet. We tried one more time and boom, I got around the whole lake. The coaching was a big inspiration. Going from trial and error to having someone with me. I think that coaching in any discipline is really important. The coaching for me was watching the ski show. I would watch it over and over. I had to go up the ladder. I learned to get up on two skis, then I learned to slalom ski, get up on a single ski. That all was self-taught.

    On training for skiing…..I remember skiing so much one Sunday that when I landed back at the beach I couldn't move. Back then I didn't know what I was doing. Once you start coaching people and writing about it, you start thinking about it. When I train I push myself but in a good way where I can't get hurt. I'm a believer that if you stay within a certain range of technique and not over training, that it's hard to get hurt. So, what I do is a push myself but I pace myself. I'm in tune with my body so I know when I need to stop or take a break. I can tell when I teach other people that they don't have that sensitivity.

    On what you can do off the water to see improvement on the water…..If you're gonna focus on one main thing it's eating right. I've been through this, I've gone and skied a ton and gone to the gym and I was getting out of shape because I wasn't eating right. Eating right is the basic foundation so that any training you do after that will be complemented. If you don't eat right your training won't be as effective. I know a lot of people do yoga, it's great for stretching. I'm not a big fan of doing too much at the gym because I see people who are hardcore at the gym and then they get hurt. Any kind of workout should be a light workout, stretching exercises, yoga or pilates; those are all great for skiing. You want a high strength-to-weight ratio.

    On what to look for in a good coach…..Have someone who has a really good understanding of technique. It's not trial and error. There's a lot more information now. Someone who understands body position., how you should be on your skis and on your feet. Someone who has a deeper thought about it than let's go out and try it.

    On how to be a good tow sport driver…..If you want to learn to be a good driver, the main thing is to listen to the skier. It's not about you, it's about the skier. You have to listen to what they want and develop a sensitivity to what they want. Then you have to become sensitive to the surroundings and waterways, to seeing speed and how you accelerate, that you're not abrupt, and be aware of traffic around you. Your job is to drive for the skier in tow, not just to drive for fun.

    On innovation in boat manufacturing…..The innovation on boats keeps getting better. You're seeing boats that do specific things better than before. Unlike a lot of other segments of boating, the water sports industry cares about the wake. Every wake is different. The slalom wake is different than the wakeboard wake, which is different than the hot sport right now which is the wake surfing wake. The tow boat companies are creating features in the wake to make the experience better for the person behind the boat.

    On similarities and differences across tow sports…..There are some differences but a lot of similarities. The biggest similarity is the balance point. Your body position is very key to all those events. The key element is to have your weight centered over the middle of your feet. Most people ski or wakeboard more heel heavy. You can do a small change in your body position which will put your weight over the center of your feet and that's a focus in all water sports.

    On advice for getting started…..With boating or getting into tow sports, it's coaching. Absolutely have someone coach you. Don't do it by trial and error. It's going to take longer and you have a really good chance of forming bad habits. It's harder to get rid of bad habits than to teach someone good habits. Get coaching right now, today, whatever level you're at. You'll progress much quicker and you'll enjoy it more!

    There was SO much I did not get to with Zenon and we will have to talk again. His experiences competing at the highest level of the sport, traveling the world, writing for various publications, getting back into competition at the age of 55 and more are all things we didn't get to tackle.


    Learning From the Pros Episodes 6-10 May 29, 2017
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    Episodes 6-10 featured a wide range of boating experts and industry people: Betty Bauman, Founder/CEO of Ladies Let's Go Fishing; Dan DeGeorge, VP of Sales for Docka; Stephanie Vatalaro, VP of Communications, Recreational Boating & Fishing Foundation; Diane Seltzer, Marketing Director, SureShade, Founder/Editor myboatlife.com and boaterkids.com; and Kristen Frohnhoefer, President of SeaTow International.

    Safety:

    With the timing of these episodes falling around National Boat Safety Week, we touched on a lot of safety issues. Kristen and the SeaTow Foundation are working hard to promote the Designate a Sober Skipper Campaign and National Safe Boating Week. National Safe Boating Week is the kick off week but safe boating is a year-long effort. Freedom Boat Club participated in a national PFD awareness effort. Diane and I discussed raising safe boating children and that starts with getting them accustomed to wearing their lifejackets as soon as they step on the dock. Start the good habits young! We also talked about the importance of Sun Safety and the industry collaborative called Sun Safe Boating. This can often be overlooked but is an incredibly important aspect of safe boating. Many of our guests took the boat safety courses as children and Stephanie was no different, her father required it!

    Getting Started:

    Diane was not a boater as a child, but was hooked after a weekend trip on a sailboat in Rock Hall, Maryland. Soon after, she bought her first boat with her now husband, but then boyfriend. His initial training came from reading everything he could get his hands on and still carries that book knowledge with him on the water today. Kristen, on the other hand, has been boating since just about birth. She too was required to take a boating safety course and learned how to sail and operate power boats. Much of her childhood was spent out on the sailboat, sailing over to Newport or Essex, spending the night in Block Island, or just rafting up with friends. I remember those great days out with the family. Stephanie was boating as a young child on Lake Erie, until at age 7 they relocated to eh Florida Keys and her father became a fishing guide! Dan's family rented boats at their summer getaway on Lake George before purchasing their own, and his father taught him how to boat. Betty also loved boating growing up but got more serious about it after getting a job with Wellcraft doing their marketing. That's where she also learned to fish, figuring after working some tournaments she needed to know a little something about it!

    Favorite things to do:

    Betty loves to fish in the Florida Keys, Chokoloskee, which I call the Jurassic Park of fishing, and the Bahamas. Stephanie and her family go out on their 24' Pursuit center console for a day of fishing or going to the beach. Kristen spends her time on the water rafting up with friends, taking a ride around Shelter Island or Sag Harbor, or going out with her niece and nephew beaching the boat, watching them swim in the water and jump off the boat. Diane is on the Chesapeake Bay - a beautiful, enormous body of water that stretches from Maryland down to Virginia. She says you could spend a lifetime boating on the Chesapeake Bay and exploring it all. Dan still likes to come to Lake George to cliff jump and do watersports with his Dockwa team.

    Important for Beginners:

    Kristen says make sure you do have a cooler full of water and some snacks because you never know how long you're gonna be out there. You might want to bring an extra jacket in case you get stuck a little bit later. Stephanie suggests, More than a thing, is do the training beforehand. Before you go out on the water understand the rules of the road, navigation basics, how to read a chart or GPS. If there's a chance to do a training or do a trial take it! Betty wants to make sure you get the right rod and reel. Learn what's conventional, what's spinning, what kind of reel you need for the fishing you want to do. For boating it's what kind of boat do you want, what kind of boat suits you. Visit your local tackle shop and they will point you in the right direction for the fish you want! Discoverboating.com comes up with almost every guest. It's a great place to start the research process and find out what type of boating – buying, renting, or boat clubs – is best for you and what type of boat fits your lifestyle.

    Random Notes and Quotes:

    Betty:

    I realized if I had a place I could go without him where I could learn the theory, and use the equipment, tie the knots, have a chance to practice, and then go out on the water and practice my skills on the environment then I would be a better part of the fishing team.

    I get the feedback that we changed their lives. They were wanting to be fishing and once they took this they had the courage to go out and challenge the sport and find ways to go fishing.

    Don't be afraid of your fishing mistakes. Use them as a way to learn. Practice is king. The more you practice, the more you go fishing, the better you're going to be.

    Dan:

    He was watching the dockmaster run around back and forth between docks and writing reservations in a notebook and walked up and asked the dockmaster about how he takes reservations. The dockmaster said it's the way we've always done it, it's an old school industry. There's a lot of room for us to help these marinas and operators get more efficient and create a better experience for the boater.

    Boaters love it because they're used to it in other industries. They can go online or on their phone and make a hotel reservation or an airline reservation, so it only makes sense that you should be able to do it for marinas and for boating.

    Stephanie:

    If you look at fishing participation numbers they have been pretty flat over the last several years and with the changing demographics, in order to even maintain that flat rate a lot of change has to be made. What we really need to do is energize the industry to get that number even higher, to get on the front end of these changes and try to make that difference now. It's a rallying cry for the industry. Let's do this together.

    We run an influencer campaign that speaks to that millennial target. [Their challenges] are time, it's not having the mentor or the experience and not knowing that these opportunities are very close to them. A lot of younger generations are moving back to the city and they don't realize that there are a lot of urban fishing and boating opportunities.

    Diane:

    Eight years ago SureShade debuted on its first boat with the Boston Whaler 370 Outrage. They were relative newcomers to the boating industry, came up with this product, invented it, patented it, brought it to the industry at IBEX and within two years got their first factory install. Fast forward eight years and we have 100 different boat models that offer it as a factory option or standard feature and then there's a huge aftermarket part of the business as well.

    We're seeing a lot of new boat styles coming out that serve a lot more purposes. You see a lot of crossovers and dayboats that are good for fishing, cruising, overnights. So I think the industry is trying to pull in a younger demographic but also give boaters more options and make their boats more multi-purpose. I would also add more physical access to boating with more ramps and docks and marinas, especially in urban boating areas, is another big thing the industry could be doing.

    Kristen:

    We always encourage our members to be proactive in maintenance. It is important to have that regular maintenance. Especially if you're in the northeast and there are seasons, you want to do that spring commissioning and winterizing. Double check your fuel gauge on a regular basis, know how much fuel you put in your boat. Those fuel gauges don't always work. Education ahead of time and knowing the area you're in and being familiar with the waters is very helpful.

    I see the peer-to-peer market, where current boat owners are going to rent their boats out to individuals through sites such as Boatsetter, as something that's going to change the market. Boat clubs are blowing up at the moment because people see it as a way to get into boating, they're just not ready to make that purchase yet.


    Peace of Mind on the Water with Kristen Frohnhoefer May 15, 2017
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    Leading up to National Safe Boating Week, I was excited to speak with Kristen Frohnhoefer, President of Sea Tow International. Sea Tow has been the on-water assistance fleet of choice for boaters since 1983. A franchise-based marine assistance organization headquartered in Southold, New York, Sea Tow was founded in 1983 by Captain Joseph Frohnhoefer after the U.S Coast Guard stopped responding to non-emergency calls.

    Since that time, Sea Tow has grown into a thriving network of over 100 locations across the United States with additional offices in Europe and the Caribbean. Sea Tow Services International is a family-owned and family-run business. As the daughter of the founder, Kristen Frohnhoefer has spent over 25 years working for Sea Tow learning about every aspect of the business. As President, Kristen is responsible for overseeing all internal operations including the membership program, marketing, sales, communications and call center operations. Kristen also serves as President of the Board of Directors of the Sea Tow Foundation, a national public service organization that promotes safe boating practices and educational initiatives that directly reduce accidents, fatalities and property damage related to recreational boating.

    Kristen grew up sailing and powerboating, spending time in Newport, Essex, and Block Island, RI. She still gets out on the water and enjoys sailing to Shelter Island and Sag Harbor, and cruising around the Peconic Bay, beaching the boat and watching her niece and nephew swim and enjoy the water.

    Kristen and I spoke about their Designate a Sober Skipper campaign, tips to keep your boat working so you DON'T need a tow, some of the great benefits of Sea Tow membership, and more. Enjoy!

    On the Designate a Sober Skipper Campaign…..Just like you wouldn't get on a car and drive drunk, you shouldn't do it on the water. Designate the sober skipper before you leave the dock. Boating should be fun and safety helps make boating fun. That person makes sure everyone has a great time and that everyone gets home safely. We all know that boating is one of the best activities out there. Blood pressure goes down when you step out on the water. It's a great family activity. It should be a good time. If people take a couple small steps to ensure it's a safe day, everyone's also gonna have a fun day and be able to go back out over and over and make it that lifetime sport.

    On the industry reception.....The Sea Tow Foundation launched the campaign a couple years ago. We've gotten tremendous support from Sea Tow franchise areas and also partners across the country from the US Power Squadron to the state of Washington State Parks, to Coast Guard auxiliary, local marinas, boat dealers, and individual groups and associations. One of the materials we have is that wristband that someone can get locally or can go request on www.designatedskipper.com. It's just a reminder that the designated skipper can wear on the boat to say 'I'm the one responsible.' We encourage people to share the message on social media and we do as well. It's not just the boating safety groups, it's actual real boaters doing this on a daily basis.

    On growing up in boating…..I think the first picture of me is when I was about 2 months old. My parents were really big into boating. My father said the first time I went out we took a wave over the side and I got soaking wet and I didn't even cry so apparently, that was a good sign and they kept going boating. We first had a 22' Catalina sailboat and then we had a 30' Newport sailboat. We also had a couple 13' Boston Whalers but most of my early childhood was spent out on the sailboat, sailing over to Newport or Essex, spending the night in Block Island, or just rafting up with friends. I remember those great days out with the family.

    On the learning process…..While I was required to take a boating safety course, I was often the mate, not at the helm. My father liked to be at the helm and that's what he did. We sort of learned through osmosis but I'm really good at putting the sails up, taking the sails down, and tying us up at the dock!

    On power vs. sail…..They're two different experiences. We don't own a sailboat anymore but my cousin does and luckily, he keeps the boat five minutes from my house so we go out sailing on the Peconic Bay. Sailing is such a serene activity, you're just gliding through the water. You're gonna get somewhere faster with a power boat; you take in more of the experience when you're sailing. It depends upon your mood for the day.

    On favorite boating activities…..Most of the time it's going to raft up with friends. Or we'll take a ride around Shelter Island. Maybe head over to Sag Harbor. Or go out with my niece and nephew. It's great to see them experiencing the water as children, beaching the boat to get out there and pick up shells or watching them swim in the water and jump off the boat.

    On the origins of Sea Tow…..My father always loved the water. Back when he was in college he started another company called Water Thrills. He would take people out and teach them to water ski, he would take them parasailing. He was already out on the water trying to get people into boating and have them feel comfortable with water sports. He's always been involved in the marine industry and found out about the industry changing and the Coast Guard no longer doing non-emergency assistance and said 'You know what, I can do this and this is going to be my opportunity to really make my living on the water.' It took a while for the Coast Guard to adjust, it took a while for the boating public to adjust, but I think people realized over time that there's no way the Coast Guard could possibly provide all these services in non-emergency services while still focusing on their primary mission. We have 102 franchise locations and boaters are covered nationwide. We have over 600 boats in our fleet and operate out of thousands of ports across the country.

    On what makes a good Sea Tow Captain…..The same thing my father had – passion. They need to have a passion for helping people. Sea Tow is more than just getting on a boat and towing someone. Yes, you need to have the skill, but you need to understand it's our job to help people, to get them home safely. When someone is calling us, it's because something happened that was unexpected and it's ruining their day. So it's really important that we're able to get people home safely and quickly.

    On the most common reasons for calls…..The most common call is just a simple mechanical issue. Something happened that was unexpected, that tow home is our most common. We also get a good number of calls for someone who ran aground. They're not hard aground but they're just in an unfamiliar area, or that shoaling moved, or that sandbar that wasn't there before is now. And then you have the good one where the fuel gauge is no longer working or they ran out of fuel or didn't plan for the 1/3 rule – always have the 1/3 to head out, 1/3 to get back in, and 1/3 in reserve. And we get a lot of jump start requests. Right at the end of the day when people are coming in after the radio has been on all day and drained the battery.

    On what boaters can do to minimize risk of needing a tow…..We always encourage our members to be proactive in maintenance. It is important to have that regular maintenance. Especially if you're in the northeast and there are seasons, you want to do that spring commissioning and winterizing. Double check your fuel gauge on a regular basis, know how much fuel you put in your boat. Those fuel gauges don't always work. Education ahead of time and knowing the area you're in and being familiar with the waters is very helpful.

    On National Safe Boating Week…..We'll be participating in Wear Your Life Jacket to Work Day on Friday May 19th. There are so many options for comfortable life jackets out there, from inflatables to belt packs, that it's a great opportunity to spread awareness that life jackets can be comfortable, and most importantly can save your life. The Sea Tow Foundation will be promoting everything on social media and you'll see some of our life jacket loaner stands have ribbon cuttings during Safe Boating Week.

    On changes in the industry…..The changes I see coming now are in how people are getting into boating. I see the peer-to-peer market, where current boat owners are going to rent their boats out to individuals through sites such as Boatsetter, as something that's going to change the market. Boat clubs are blowing up at the moment because people see it as a way to get into boating, they're just not ready to make that purchase yet. They can try it out and eventually move towards purchasing a boat. The way of entry is really going to be the disruptor to the industry of how we get people into boating and how people get that first experience.

    On essential items for a day on the water…..Make sure you do have a cooler full of water and some snacks because you never know how long you're gonna be out there. You might want to bring an extra jacket in case you get stuck a little bit later. Before you head out make sure you've taken that safety course. Even if you think you know everything, you might not.

    On advice for would be boaters…..If they're investigating boating and what type of boat they want, go to discoverboating.com to do some research. They should also try it out. Whether they rent a boat for a day or find some friends with a boat, just head out and see if they like it. Go to a boat dealer and take a ride. Once they're more serious about it, take a boat safety course. Of course, right before you get the boat, make sure you buy that Sea Tow membership!

    Kristen provided a lot of valuable information and I strongly encourage you to visit the websites mentioned for Safe Boating Week and Designated Skipper to continue learning how you can enjoy safe boating practices. Thanks!


    The Shady Side of Boating, Sun Safety with Diane Seltzer May 05, 2017
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    You could say Diane Seltzer is a jack-of-all trades in the marine world. In her day job Diane is the Marketing Director for SureShade. SureShade designs and manufactures innovative retractable sunshade systems for the marine industry that enhance and facilitate the boating experience. Diane is responsible for branding, public relations, social media implementation, advertising, web site management and marketing communications…and in her 8 years with the company has won multiple Marine Marketer of America awards and has seen it go from concept to factory installed option on over 100 boat models! Diane is also the founder and editor of multiple boating websites for boating enthusiasts including myboatlife.com and boaterkids.com. On the industry side, Diane is founder and editor of Marine Marketing Tools, a collaborative site to share marine marketing best practices, tools and resources - exclusively for boat dealers, marinas, boat builders, marine suppliers, boating product manufacturers and boating service providers. If that isn't enough to keep her busy, Diane has also written and self-published a children's book called The Amazing Adventures of Boat Girl! And yes, she still has time to enjoy the boating lifestyle herself, anchoring out in her 'spot' with her husband and daughters and cruising the Chesapeake Bay. Diane and I covered a lot about starting to boat later in life, hitting milestones at SureShade, and most importantly tips for raising young kids in the boating lifestyle and how to safely enjoy being out in the sun all day. Enjoy!

    On getting into boating…..Before my husband and I were married, we were invited out for a trip on a sailboat and we took a 6 hour cruise down the bay. We spent the weekend in Rock Hall, Maryland. By the time we got to Rock Hall we decided we were not sailors, but the weekend we spent at the marina was so much fun, being out on the water, being around boaters, everyone was so friendly. By the end of that weekend we said we need to get into boating.

    On her first boat…..By the end of the summer we bought our first boat. It was all new to us, neither of us had ever boated before. We ended up buying a 1982 25' Bayliner. After a couple of years we were hooked on the lifestyle and upgraded to a newer, bigger boat. We're on to our third boat. We have a Sea Ray 410 Sundancer. It's a great boat!

    On learning to boat…..The first time my husband got behind the wheel of a boat was when we bought the first boat and they dropped him in the water. He spent all winter reading books about boat handling and how to drive and dock a boat. It was all book knowledge the first time he actually drove the boat. A lot of trial by error. All that book knowledge stuck with him through the years. He knows what you're supposed to do and not supposed to do. [Also important were] learning how to relax and learning our individual responsibilities out on the water. It comes down to communication and experience. Once you learn not to yell at each other and to just calm down a little bit docking gets a lot better!

    On raising children to be safe boaters…..We're fanatical about life jackets. Before we even get out on the dock they're in their life jackets. Walking down the dock, when they're climbing on and off the boat, when were underway, they're in the life jacket. They also know that docking is the most stressful part of boating so they know that there's no carrying on. You sit in your seat and let the captain and first mate do whatever they need to do. They learned really early on about the rules being on the boat. They learned not to hang over the side of the boat and not to hang their toys over the side of the boat because they will be gone!

    On advice for getting kids to wear life jackets…..It was always the rule. They didn't know anything different. Sticking with the rules, no exceptions, it's just a part of life on the boat. We try to get them fun character life jackets that they really like. For my older daughter, we got a cool watersports jacket so it's more comfortable for her.

    On authoring The Amazing Adventures of Boat Girl…..The inspiration was my older daughter Emma. When she would put her life jacket on and hold our hand and jump from the side of the boat to the dock, we would always kind of say 'Hey Boat Girl!' She was super empowered because she had her life jacket on and she started getting more confidence getting on and off the boat. Then it expanded to, 'wouldn't it be fun to do a little story about Boat Girl and just about being on the boat?' It's just all about our day out on the boat and using the life jacket idea as giving you that superpower confidence when you're wearing it.

    On her current boating life…..We're on the Chesapeake Bay. It's a beautiful, enormous body of water that stretches from Maryland down to Virginia. There's tons of rivers that are all along the bay. Lots of nooks and crannies and small little fishing towns on the eastern shore and big cities on the western shore with Baltimore, DC, and Annapolis. We always say you could spend a lifetime boating on the Chesapeake Bay and exploring it all.

    On hitting the 100 boat model mark at SureShade…..It was pretty cool. I've been with SureShade since the beginning. Eight years ago SureShade debuted on its first boat with the Boston Whaler 370 Outrage. They were relative newcomers to the boating industry, came up with this product, invented it, patented it, brought it to the industry at IBEX and within two years got their first factory install. Fast forward eight years and we have 100 different boat models that offer it as a factory option or standard feature and then there's a huge aftermarket part of the business as well. Walking down the docks at Miami and seeing all these boats was definitely a pinch me moment.

    On increasing demand for SureShade…..It's a push and pull demand. We've been working very closely with the manufacturers so when they come out with a new model they're designing it into their boats. What's happening with the ones that don't offer it on a boat, boaters are going to their dealers and saying I want this shade that I'm seeing on this other model. It's an opportunity for the dealers to offer as a value add product, to have their service department generate some revenue, so definitely a push and a pull. The more boats you see with it on, the more other boats want to add it, the more private owners want to add to their existing boat.

    On innovation from SureShade…..We've expanded the product offering so now we're able to offer product for boats of all sizes. Last year we won top new product with boating industry for our RTX pull out shade, for boats under 27'. The way it works is you just lift and pull it out and within seconds you've got shade covering your cockpit or your bow. When you get into the bigger sizes we have the manual shade that works with a hand crank. 30' and above you have the automated shade which is electrically wired and you can operate with a switch at the helm. When you get into bigger boats you have our M3 product which can extend up to 10 feet.

    On the importance of Sun Safety…..We really didn't realize until we started getting feedback from customers about how important the sun safety aspect was to them. We've heard from skin cancer survivors that say this is the only way they're able to be out on the boat any more. So many boat designs leave part of the boat exposed. We were lucky enough to hook up with Mike Schimdt. He's a skin cancer survivor and did a PSA campaign with us about his bout with skin cancer and how important it is to stay protected out on the water. That turned into an industry collaborative called Sun Safe Boating where we're looking to educate the industry as well as individual boaters about the importance of sun safety. We feel like it is just as important as any other element of boat safety, it's your health, it's your life.

    On attracting new boaters…..From a financial side, having more entry level boats that people can afford. It's a big financial commitment if you're not experienced. Also, ways to get into boating with boat clubs like Freedom Boat Club (editors note: I own a Freedom Boat Club franchise), offering the ability to rent boats to give people a chance to experience the boating lifestyle before they make a bigger financial commitment. We're seeing a lot of new boat styles coming out that serve a lot more purposes. You see a lot of crossovers and dayboats that are good for fishing, cruising, overnights. So I think the industry is trying to pull in a younger demographic but also give boaters more options and make their boats more multi-purpose. I would also add more physical access to boating with more ramps and docks and marinas, especially in urban boating areas, is another big thing the industry could be doing.

    Hope you enjoyed that one. Please visit the Sun Safe site and stay safe out there!


    How to Get to 60 Million Anglers in 60 Months Apr 19, 2017
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    Stephanie Vatalaro was recently promoted to Vice President of Communications for the Recreational Boating & Fishing Foundation. RBFF's mission is to implement an informed, consensus-based national outreach strategy that will increase participation in recreational angling and boating and thereby increase public awareness and appreciation of the need to protect, conserve and restore this nation's aquatic natural resources.

    Stephanie has been with the RBFF for over 10 years and has helped steward the Take Me Fishing and Vamos A Pescar national campaigns, providing the tools to help people get started. RBFF's digital assets, TakeMeFishing.org and VamosAPescar.org, are the most comprehensive fishing and boating websites nationwide and are the key destinations for individuals to learn, plan and equip for a day on the water. They have now exceeded 12 million! Pageviews under Stephanie's watch.

    After boating on Lake Erie as a young child, Stephanie's family moved at the age of 7 to Florida where her father became a fishing guide in the Florida Keys. From catching Pacific sailfish in Costa Rica to boating on the Potomac with her family, Stephanie has maintained her love of boating and shares it with her husband and daughter.

    In 2016, RBFF announced its 60 in 60 goal to increase yearly angler participation to 60 million in 60 months. This aspirational goal comes at a critical time for the fishing and boating industry. It was a great time to catch up with Stephanie and find out more about how they are working to achieve this lofty goal, the accomplishments to date, and learn about how her love of boating was fostered through family and is being passed down the same way. Enjoy!

    On her first boating experiences…..It's one of those all in the family things. I was born in Ohio and my grandfather was a boater, so I started going out on Lake Erie as a young child. When I was 7 my family relocated to the Florida Keys and my dad became a fishing guide. We had two boats, the boat he worked on, and then a center console that was the family boat. He would take us out to go snorkeling and swimming but we also definitely went fishing.

    On memorable catches….The first fish I caught was on Lake Erie, but I don't vividly remember the first catch. I certainly have great memories of some of my big catches! I had the opportunity to go to Costa Rica and I caught a 120 lb. Pacific Sailfish and that was amazing. It was quite a fight.

    On learning to boat…..As a kid, my dad took it all very seriously, the safety part in particular. I learned a lot of the basics as a kid. He said if I wanted to operate the boat I had to take a course and get my license and make it official. As an adult, with my husband, I started doing it more hands on myself.

    On family boating now.....We now have a 24' Pursuit center console. It's something we can go fishing on, we can take to the beach, hose it off at the end of the day. My husband is the captain, I have anchor duty.

    On raising a boating daughter…..She has been boating since she was an infant. As she gets older, we'll start getting her involved more in helping with things. We can give her jobs, pack this bag, do that. She really likes being on the water. She fishes off her grandpa's dock and she is quite the fish slayer!

    On the RBFF 60 in 60 initiative…..I will give that credit to Frank Peterson, our President and CEO. There are a few numbers in his head that he has said if we can hit this this and this, our industry will be in pretty good shape. One of those numbers is 12 million visits to our website and we hit that this year. The other, and I think the more important one, is the 60 million number. If you look at fishing participation numbers they have been pretty flat over the last several years and with the changing demographics, in order to even maintain that flat rate a lot of change has to be made. What we really need to do is energize the industry to get that number even higher, to get on the front end of these changes and try to make that difference now. It's a rallying cry for the industry. Let's do this together. You're not in this alone. The RBFF is here to help. We've developed tools for people to recruit, retain, and reactivate anglers (known as R3).

    On what those changes are…..People are becoming more multicultural. Families are not the traditional families that they always looked like. There are a lot of other activities competing for people's time, and boomers are aging out of the sport.

    On their Disney partnership…..I didn't even know fishing excursions were available at Disney but they are and they're great, they have a fantastic stocked lake, almost a guaranteed catch. They are reaching the exact target audience we're after. Years and years of research have led us to this group called Multicultural Family Outdoors. These are parents, people with kids age 6-12 , who are involved in outdoors activity but don't fish yet. Getting through their channels has been really beneficial to us and we've seen an increase in our brand awareness and intent to go fishing and boating.

    On RBFF's digital outreach…..Takemefishing.org is a huge part of our success. People are getting their information online so it has become a largely digital campaign because that's where our family outdoors audience is. The website is all about getting people the info they need to get started – how to, where to, and licensing. We have all the basics on what kind of gear you need, how to reel in a fish, how to prepare your catch. We have a map where people can go and look in there are for different bodies of water that also has points of interest on it. We want to make sure people are aware that people need their license and that those dollars go back to water conservation efforts on the state level.

    On the challenges facing millennials who want to boat…..That's a secondary target audience of ours. We're calling them Untethered Explorers. They're millennials who aren't married and don't have kids yet but they're into the outdoors and we reach them through digital and social media outreach. We run an influencer campaign that speaks to that millennial target. [Their challenges] are time, it's not having the mentor or the experience and not knowing that these opportunities are very close to them. A lot of younger generations are moving back to the city and they don't realize that there are a lot of urban fishing and boating opportunities.

    On what boaters need to get started…..More than a thing, I would say training is important. Do your homework first. Before you go out on the water understand the rules of the road, navigation basics, how to read a chart or GPS. If there's a chance to do a training or do a trial take it!

    On where she hasn't yet, but would like to fish…..Patagonia. It just looks amazing. I love the landscapes, I'd love to be fly fishing in a river with all that beauty surrounding me. Anywhere that has turquoise water, I'm in.

    On her dream boat…..It's not practical but I absolutely adore big sportfishers. Big Vikings or Hatteras. Something about those boats is so beautiful to me. When I go home to the Keys I see them. We'll get back into cruising some day and we'll have some type of trawler to cruise around.

    On advice for would-be-boaters…..Before you dive in, you should go out with some friends, try different boats, go to boat shows, go out with anyone who has a boat, feel it out, do your homework. Figure out what you want to do on the water and match the boat to your lifestyle. We're in a time where there are so many different styles of boats. We have the Discover Boating boat comparison tool on our website. You go through and say what activities you like to do and it serves up the different styles of boats. There really is something for everyone.

    The RBFF is doing great work, check out their website, particularly their interactive map, if you have any interest in fishing!


    Dock Space? There's an App for That! Apr 07, 2017
    Show notes

    Dan DeGeorge is VP of Sales for Dockwa. Founded in May 2015 and since Featured in Forbes, the NY Times, Boating Magazine, the Boston Globe, and more, Dockwa is changing the way boaters and marinas connect and reserve dock space. It allows boaters to search, reserve, and pay for transient dockage from their mobile device. It also allows marinas to manage their inventory online and connect with thousands of customers like never before. At the time of our recording Dockwa featured over 400 marinas and though boater numbers are not disclosed it was in the six figures. That is a lot of boaters connecting to marinas! Just prior to our conversation, Dockwa acquired Marinas.com, the world's most extensive online marine directory of more than 75,000 marine locations, including 15,000 marinas, yacht clubs, and shipyards. Marinas.com was the first online resource of its kind for the marine industry, pioneering a comprehensive guide for boaters worldwide and amassing more than 100,000 users. With this acquisition, Dockwa has grown its marina partner network to more than 500 businesses and further expands its international footprint to Central and South America, and parts of Europe. Dockwa's marina network and boater community tripled in size in 2016, resulting in a 1,766 percent increase in nights served.

    Dan himself is an avid boater and grew up boating on our home lake, Lake George. Starting with some rental boats and now boating on his family Sea Ray, Dan never lost his love of the water while getting his Economics degree at Princeton, embarking on a professional baseball career with the Cleveland Indians, and finally joining the marine/technology industry, helping Dockwa go to market in 2015.

    On getting into boating…..I grew up going to the lake every summer. My first time ever out on the water was on Lake George. We rented a Hurricane boat from Snug Harbor. For the majority of my childhood we rented and then we bought a Sea Ray that we can go skiing and wake-boarding on.

    On learning to boat…..My dad was always one of those guys who threw you into the fire. As far as I can remember it went well! We went to a place where no one was around and by the time we got our boat I was ready to go. The most important thing he taught me was check the weather early and often before you go out.

    On the Dockwa launch…..I was there pre-launch to market. It was the brainchild of our CEO, Mike Melillo. Mike had moved to Newport, RI out of college. He happened to live on top of a few marinas. One summer day he was watching one of the dockmasters take reservations, and it was a particularly crazy day. He was watching the dockmaster run around back and forth between docks and writing reservations in a notebook and walked up and asked the dockmaster about how he takes reservations. The dockmaster said it's the way we've always done it, it's an old school industry, and that set the idea off in Mike's head.

    On fostering change in the marina business…..It's our biggest challenge but also presents the biggest opportunity. There's a lot of room for us to help these marinas and operators get more efficient and create a better experience for the boater.

    On response from the boating market…..We work with a little over 400 marinas. Boaters love it because they're used to it in other industries. They can go online or on their phone and make a hotel reservation or an airline reservation, so it only makes sense that you should be able to do it for marinas and for boating. On the marina side you're always running up against the challenge of people who have done something the same way for the past 30 years and there's always that little resistance to change but once they see it working for other marinas and then use it themselves, it's been well received.

    On the Marinas.com acquisition…..On the boater side we want Marinas.com to be the place you go to for all things boating. Whether that's long term dockage, short term dockage, repair work, buying a boat, we want it to be the place boaters go to find anything they need. Within that, marinas can gain more exposure to their customers.

    On expansion and new locations…..We're down in the Caribbean, the Bahamas, and we just signed up a marina in the Dominican Republic. Ideally we'll expand internationally. A big opportunity is the Great Lakes. We have a good number of marinas in the Great Lakes and a big help for has been that the Chicago Harbor municipal marinas use Dockwa. The Puget Sound is a big hot spot, that's our next target domestically. Internationally is a little farther down the product road map. I'd love to get out to Italy.

    On where he would like to do some personal boating…..I would love to go to the BVIs and hop around to the islands. I have a college roommate who grew up around the Puget Sound and speaks real highly of it so that's on my vacation list.

    On the Dockwa Figawi sponsorship…..This will be our third year. We officially launched at Figawi two years ago. I had never heard of it until I moved to Newport. The first week I joined the company we went and it's a blast. It's great for boaters and non-boaters, a great experience.

    On the Dockwa Dock Free giveaway…..We were fortunate to team with BoatUS on that. It was an awesome promotion. Not only for BoatUS and for us but I think the winner has already made a few reservations to take advantage of the winnings.

    On technology taking hold in the boating industry…..I feel like we're getting closer to the tipping point, especially as the younger generation who is more used to technology starts to get more into boating. With Boatbound and GetMyBoat, the younger generations really value the experience and embrace the sharing economy so that will become more prevalent and force the marine industry to embrace technology.

    On his dream boat(s)…..It was always a wooden Chris-Craft growing up on the lake. It looks so cool and smooth. Coming up to Newport, you see a lot of the newer center consoles like the Regulators, or Viking sport fishers, so I've gotten more into those recently when I moved up here.

    Hope you enjoyed the conversation with Dan and check out the Dockwa app.

    Editors note: Having done both a sailing trip through the BVIs and raced in Figawi weekend, the Dockwa guys sound like they know how to enjoy their work!


    Ladies Let's Go Fishing with Betty Bauman Mar 23, 2017
    Show notes

    All I can think about is fishing after speaking with Betty Bauman, the Founder and CEO of Ladies Let's Go Fishing/Executive Director of the LLGF Foundation, Founder and CEO of MetroMedia, and Program Manager for Save-Fish.com. Betty started her career as a PR Manager for Wellcraft, Donzi, and Aquasport before starting her own agency. Along the way she has supported the Fort Lauderdale Billfish Tournament and Treasure Cay Billfish Tournament.

    Betty is a frequent radio guest on Fish Talk Radio with John Henigin and Mike Ritz broadcast to millions of listeners including iHeart Radio, and on Bill Kelly's fishing radio show in Islamorada, FL SUN FM 103.1 and iHeart Radio.

    As Program Manager of Save-Fish.com, Betty created and launched a go-to informative website on how and why to release fish, partnering with the Save Our Seas Foundation, an internationally-based nonprofit with the mission of preserving oceanic habitat.

    Finally, Betty has helped over 8,000 women graduate from Ladies Let's Go Fishing! The seminar series — often dubbed "The No-Yelling School of Fishing" — is renowned nationally. Bauman established a partnership with the State Department in 1997 when she offered the state a solution to the lack of opportunity for women to learn fishing and conservation skills. "Ladies, Let's Go Fishing!®" is a national organization dedicated to attracting more women to sportfishing and to promoting conservation and responsible angling. LLGF promotes networking among women anglers and emphasizes mentorship between novice and experienced members. The organization has earned rave reviews from national media including "Inside Edition," CBS' "The Early Show," NBC's "Nightly News with Tom Brokaw," "Good Morning America," "Outdoor Life Network," USA Today, the Wall Street Journal, Southern Living and more. The weekend seminar series offers a complete fishing experience presented in a non-intimidating environment. Leading sportfishing and marine industry professionals teach classes and provide hands-on training in inshore, offshore, bottom and fly fishing techniques. And it's not just for ladies, women are now encouraged to register male and teen guests to join them!

    The Foundation is a 501C3 whose mission is to provide educational opportunities for women and families to learn fishing and conservation.

    It's a wonder Betty had time to join me but I am sure glad she did. Enjoy!

    On getting started in boating…..I always loved boating. We always had a small boat when I was growing up. And back in the 70's I got a job with Wellcraft Marine doing their marketing. At that point I got my own boat and I didn't even think twice about how to drive it. I had a whole company of people I could go to for reference. I loved the water and I loved the outdoors! I had some exposure with boating through work and I just really enjoyed boats. Now I have a Ranger boat which is fantastic.

    On getting into fishing…..With my job at the boat company I did learn fishing. They would bring me to fishing tournaments and put me on boats to fish with, say the Pittsburgh Steelers at the Arthur Smith Tournament. It was there I realized I need to know a little more about fishing. I was fishing on my own boat and I just kind of winged it and I realized if I had some training I would be a little more productive and catch more fish.

    On challenging parts of learning…..The trickiest part was docking and trailering, how to get the boat in the water. And also things like how the pumps and batteries work. For fishing it was what kind of lures you use for what kind of fish and what do you do with the lures. Those are all things you can learn but as a beginner we're not born with that knowledge.

    On equipment for beginners…..It's the rod and reel. And learning what's conventional, what's spinning, what kind of reel you need for the fishing you want to do. For boating it's what kind of boat do you want, what kind of boat suits you.

    On inspiration for LLGF…..I like to fish, and married a guy who is a tournament champion. We would go fishing and he would bark out orders. And by the time I asked the question it was already too late to perform the task. Because of that I could never learn in the actual situation. I realized if I had a place I could go without him where I could learn the theory, and use the equipment, tie the knots, have a chance to practice, and then go out on the water and practice my skills on the environment then I would be a better part of the fishing team.

    On feedback from graduates…..I get the feedback that we changed their lives. They were wanting to be fishing and once they took this they had the courage to go out and challenge the sport and find ways to go fishing. A lot of them ended up buying boats, getting the tackle and now they're sending me pictures of them fishing in other countries. It gave them something really fun to do, something to look forward to, and ways to make memories with friends and family.

    On boating as a family activity…..Boating and fishing are so unique and so important. A family can get together in one place, without the electronic distractions, and they're actually talking, sharing, doing things together. It's a very special sport.

    On favorites place to fish…..My favorite places are the Florida Keys, Chokoloskee, which I call the Jurassic Park of fishing, and the Bahamas. For me it's the kind of fish you can catch, the scenery, and the destination. It all kind of works together.

    On conservation…..The things that we instill at LLGF and through save-fish are how to release fish that you're not intending to keep or you accidently catch, how to use the dehookers, how to use fish grips. If you must take a photo, try to leave the fish in the water. Don't keep it out of the water longer than you can hold your breath. Hold it sideways. Use wet hands, not gloves. That is their home. You have to really think about the impact of what you're doing on the water.

    On favorite fish to catch….. Sailfish of course! They really give you an exciting show. You go from boredom to sheer excitement in one second. Sometimes you have 3 or 4 sailfish on at the same time. I like to kitefish for them and we use goggle-eyes for that. So we are drifting with kites.

    On fish for beginners…..What's nice about Mahi-Mahi is that there's a lot of them sometimes and they can be caught using simple strategies such as trolling. Sometimes there's so many of them that you can make mistakes and lose a few until you get the rhythm of bringing them to the boat and positioning them. And they grow very fast, they're good to eat, and they're beautiful. They glow green and blue underneath the water and when you have a school there it is just sheer excitement!

    On continuing to learn fishing skills…..Come to another LLGF in a different city! They can join a forum, that's a good place to look up information. Read Magazines, there are a lot of great ones, for instance Florida Sportsman. Also, we teach them how to go into a tackle shop and what questions to ask. A lot of tackle shops have friendly people there that you can walk in and say 'Hey, I wanna catch a redfish or a snook can you show me what lures they're biting on?' Go to shows where they have seminars. And then wear fish jewelry and wear fish clothes. You're going to run into people that will comment on them and you will make some friends and those are other people that are sources!

    On great fishing advice received…..One of the best is don't be afraid of your fishing mistakes. Use them as a way to learn. Practice is king. The more you practice, the more you go fishing, the better you're going to be.

    On the importance of sponsors…..The registrations only pay a percentage of this year round operation. Without the sponsors, there would not be a LLGF. All of our sponsors can be found on our website and they are all so important and appreciated!

    On advice to anyone thinking about boating…..Do it! You're gonna learn by experience. Try to build a network around you of people who fish and boat. Fishing and boating is something really fun to do. Especially if you're already boating, fishing is a way to interact with what's on the other side of the ocean, what kind of world is down there. With fishing, you can reveal what is down there and interact with it and have fishing stories to tell for the rest of your life.


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